Re: [Debian] Update Gnome 3.26?!

[Antonio Terceiro]

On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 09:56:54AM -0300, Samuel Henrique wrote:
> Eu defendo que o Testing é pra qualquer um que queira ter uma
> experiência mais desktop, não é necessário querer aprender como
> funciona o desenvolvimento ou aceitar sustos, já que a estabilidade do
> Testing é equivalente a de distribuições como Mint, Ubuntu, Fedora e
> cia.

Se você estiver falando das versões "rolling" delas, como Ubuntu
sei-lá-como-chama e Fedora rawhide, OK. Se você estiver comparando com
as versões lançadas e suportadas, me parece um pouco absurdo dizer isso.

De qualquer forma, não se pode comparar a estabilidade da stable (por
definição) com a da testing, que é o que a gente está discutindo aqui.

> Iclusive conversei com algumas pessoas na debconf sobre como o Debian
> deveria ter uma release "desktop", que seria apenas um testing sem
> freeze e com updates de segurança*, achei que tinha comentado contigo
> também.

Seria bom se isso existisse, sim. Veja meu comentário no final.

> Já cansei de ver o uso do stable em experiência desktop dar mais problema
> do que se a pessoa estivesse usando o Testing, principalmente para
> hardwares novos, já que os drivers novos não são portados.

Todo kernel novo fica disponível no backports razoavelmente rápido. Por
exemplo nesse exato momento:

linux-image-amd64 | 4.9+80+deb9u1   | stable  | amd64
linux-image-amd64 | 4.9+80+deb9u2   | buildd-proposed-updates | amd64
linux-image-amd64 | 4.9+80+deb9u2   | proposed-updates| amd64
linux-image-amd64 | 4.12+84~bpo9+1  | stretch-backports   | amd64 «
linux-image-amd64 | 4.12+84 | testing | amd64
linux-image-amd64 | 4.12+85 | buildd-unstable | amd64
linux-image-amd64 | 4.12+85 | unstable| amd64

> Mas onde o usuário é mais impactado são nos softwares de uso diário,
> apenas um exemplo: usuário do stable rodando firefox ESR, que em algum
> certo ponto se torna uma release defasada no sentido que não suporta
> tecnologias que sites usam (youtube foi bem notável nesse quesito) e a
> experiencia do usuário ao acessar esses sites se torna horrível, fica
> lento e travando.

Eu tenho usado Firefox ESR mesmo no sid e não me lembro a última vez que
tive qualquer problema.

Eu insisto: eu concordo com você quer usar testing é viável, mas usar
stable não é esse inferno que você está pintando.

> Ainda sonho com o dia que a gente tenha uma release focada em desktop (que
> não se chame testing), estável mas com pacotes atualizados pelo menos ao
> ponto de não impactar no desempenho (drivers, firefox ao invés do
> firefox-esr...).
>
> *Hoje, o único problema em se usar o Testing pra desktop é que não temos
> uma dinâmica de updates de segurança aceitável (no testing), os fixes levam
> no mínimo 2 dias para chegar.

A única coisa impedindo isso de existir é a falta de gente pra meter a
mão na massa e fazer o trabalho necessário.


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Re: [Debian] Update Gnome 3.26?!

[Thiago C. F.]

Interessante uma release com aplicativos mais atuais focada em desktop.

Em relação ao FF ESR, até o momento só tive um pequeno problema nos frames
por segundo dos vídeos quando assisto ao Netflix. Problema este que não
tinha usando o Chrome na versão Jessie. Mas como nesta versão do Stretch
decidi usar menos software proprietários possíveis, estou usando o FF ESR
para quase tudo. Instalei o Chromium para caso necessite dele para o
Hangout, por exemplo.

Sem mais problemas

Em 20 de setembro de 2017 08:56, Samuel Henrique 
escreveu:

> não exatamente. o foco do stable é ser stable, tanto para servidores
>> quando para desktop. em muitas situações você não quer um desktop que
>> fique tendo novas versões dos pacotes (e por definição novos bugs) o
>> tempo todo. você não diria que o Ubuntu LTS, que é lançado a cada 2 anos
>> da mesma forma que o Debian, tem foco em servidores.
>>
>
> ​Na verdade eu digo que o Ubuntu LTS é focado em servidores, inclusive são
> as imagens LTS que ficam disponíveis em serviços de hospedagem e são usadas
> para servidores. Mas sim, o ubuntu possui releases "ubuntu server" que não
> são LTS e o foco real do debian stable é stable, o que acontece é que pra
> se usar em servidores o pessoal vai de ubuntu lts ou debian stable.​
>
> dito isso, de fato para usuários técnicos que querem estar nas versões
>> mais novas, e estão dispostos a entender um pouco mais de como funciona
>> o processo de desenvolvimento do Debian, normalmente podem usar testing
>> sem (muito) susto.
>>
>
> ​Eu defendo que o Testing é pra qualquer um que queira ter uma experiência
> mais desktop, não é necessário querer aprender como funciona o
> desenvolvimento ou aceitar sustos, já que a estabilidade do Testing é
> equivalente a de distribuições como Mint, Ubuntu, Fedora e cia.​ Inclusive
> conversei com algumas pessoas na debconf sobre como o Debian deveria ter
> uma release "desktop", que seria apenas um testing sem freeze e com updates
> de segurança*, achei que tinha comentado contigo também.
>
> Já cansei de ver o uso do stable em experiência desktop dar mais problema
> do que se a pessoa estivesse usando o Testing, principalmente para
> hardwares novos, já que os drivers novos não são portados. Mas onde o
> usuário é mais impactado são nos softwares de uso diário, apenas um
> exemplo: usuário do stable rodando firefox ESR, que em algum certo ponto se
> torna uma release defasada no sentido que não suporta tecnologias que sites
> usam (youtube foi bem notável nesse quesito) e a experiencia do usuário ao
> acessar esses sites se torna horrível, fica lento e travando.
>
> Ainda sonho com o dia que a gente tenha uma release focada em desktop (que
> não se chame testing), estável mas com pacotes atualizados pelo menos ao
> ponto de não impactar no desempenho (drivers, firefox ao invés do
> firefox-esr...).
>
> *Hoje, o único problema em se usar o Testing pra desktop é que não temos
> uma dinâmica de updates de segurança aceitável (no testing), os fixes levam
> no mínimo 2 dias para chegar.
>
>
> --
> Samuel Henrique 
>



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Re: [Debian] Update Gnome 3.26?!

[Samuel Henrique]

>
> não exatamente. o foco do stable é ser stable, tanto para servidores
> quando para desktop. em muitas situações você não quer um desktop que
> fique tendo novas versões dos pacotes (e por definição novos bugs) o
> tempo todo. você não diria que o Ubuntu LTS, que é lançado a cada 2 anos
> da mesma forma que o Debian, tem foco em servidores.
>

​Na verdade eu digo que o Ubuntu LTS é focado em servidores, inclusive são
as imagens LTS que ficam disponíveis em serviços de hospedagem e são usadas
para servidores. Mas sim, o ubuntu possui releases "ubuntu server" que não
são LTS e o foco real do debian stable é stable, o que acontece é que pra
se usar em servidores o pessoal vai de ubuntu lts ou debian stable.​

dito isso, de fato para usuários técnicos que querem estar nas versões
> mais novas, e estão dispostos a entender um pouco mais de como funciona
> o processo de desenvolvimento do Debian, normalmente podem usar testing
> sem (muito) susto.
>

​Eu defendo que o Testing é pra qualquer um que queira ter uma experiência
mais desktop, não é necessário querer aprender como funciona o
desenvolvimento ou aceitar sustos, já que a estabilidade do Testing é
equivalente a de distribuições como Mint, Ubuntu, Fedora e cia.​ Inclusive
conversei com algumas pessoas na debconf sobre como o Debian deveria ter
uma release "desktop", que seria apenas um testing sem freeze e com updates
de segurança*, achei que tinha comentado contigo também.

Já cansei de ver o uso do stable em experiência desktop dar mais problema
do que se a pessoa estivesse usando o Testing, principalmente para
hardwares novos, já que os drivers novos não são portados. Mas onde o
usuário é mais impactado são nos softwares de uso diário, apenas um
exemplo: usuário do stable rodando firefox ESR, que em algum certo ponto se
torna uma release defasada no sentido que não suporta tecnologias que sites
usam (youtube foi bem notável nesse quesito) e a experiencia do usuário ao
acessar esses sites se torna horrível, fica lento e travando.

Ainda sonho com o dia que a gente tenha uma release focada em desktop (que
não se chame testing), estável mas com pacotes atualizados pelo menos ao
ponto de não impactar no desempenho (drivers, firefox ao invés do
firefox-esr...).

*Hoje, o único problema em se usar o Testing pra desktop é que não temos
uma dinâmica de updates de segurança aceitável (no testing), os fixes levam
no mínimo 2 dias para chegar.


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Re: [Debian] Update Gnome 3.26?!

[Thiago C. F.]

Concordo contigo Terceiro. Pois tenho instalado em minha máquinas apenas o
Stable, e estou satisfeito com todas as versões de aplicativos e da versão
do GNOME. Stable o nome já diz, Estável, e Testing, que quer dizer que
ainda esta em testes. O que eu acho legal de ficar no Stable, na minha
opinião, é que sempre ficamos na expectativa de quando sairá uma nova
versão de Stable, com aplicativos e a interface gráfica atualizada.

Também concordo com a opinião do Samuel, para quem tem realmente a
necessidade de ter aplicativos mais atuais, use a versão Testing.

Em 20 de setembro de 2017 06:05, Antonio Terceiro 
escreveu:

> On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 09:27:46PM -0300, Samuel Henrique wrote:
> > >
> > > Alguem sabe dizer quando é que o Debian recebe o Gnome 3.26?
> > >
> >
> > ​Já recebeu [1]​.
> >
> >
> > > O stable provavelmente vai receber uma versão mais recente, mas so
> daqui a
> > > uns anos quando for lançada a nova versão.
> > >
> >
> > Correto, isso porque o foco do stable é servidores, [...]
>
> não exatamente. o foco do stable é ser stable, tanto para servidores
> quando para desktop. em muitas situações você não quer um desktop que
> fique tendo novas versões dos pacotes (e por definição novos bugs) o
> tempo todo. você não diria que o Ubuntu LTS, que é lançado a cada 2 anos
> da mesma forma que o Debian, tem foco em servidores.
>
> dito isso, de fato para usuários técnicos que querem estar nas versões
> mais novas, e estão dispostos a entender um pouco mais de como funciona
> o processo de desenvolvimento do Debian, normalmente podem usar testing
> sem (muito) susto.
>



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Re: [Debian] Update Gnome 3.26?!

[Antonio Terceiro]

On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 09:27:46PM -0300, Samuel Henrique wrote:
> >
> > Alguem sabe dizer quando é que o Debian recebe o Gnome 3.26?
> >
> 
> ​Já recebeu [1]​.
> 
> 
> > O stable provavelmente vai receber uma versão mais recente, mas so daqui a
> > uns anos quando for lançada a nova versão.
> >
> 
> Correto, isso porque o foco do stable é servidores, [...]

não exatamente. o foco do stable é ser stable, tanto para servidores
quando para desktop. em muitas situações você não quer um desktop que
fique tendo novas versões dos pacotes (e por definição novos bugs) o
tempo todo. você não diria que o Ubuntu LTS, que é lançado a cada 2 anos
da mesma forma que o Debian, tem foco em servidores.

dito isso, de fato para usuários técnicos que querem estar nas versões
mais novas, e estão dispostos a entender um pouco mais de como funciona
o processo de desenvolvimento do Debian, normalmente podem usar testing
sem (muito) susto.


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Re: [Debian] Update Gnome 3.26?!

[Samuel Henrique]

>
> Alguem sabe dizer quando é que o Debian recebe o Gnome 3.26?
>

​Já recebeu [1]​.


> O stable provavelmente vai receber uma versão mais recente, mas so daqui a
> uns anos quando for lançada a nova versão.
>

​Correto, isso porque o foco do stable é servidores, eu sempre recomendo
todo mundo que quiser rodar no desktop e ter uma experiência mais parecida
com Ubuntu/Fedora/Arch/Mint a rodar o Testing.​

Nesse momento eu estou usando o testing (buster) e gostaria de saber quando
> é que o Debian vai receber esse update.
>

​Então você já está usando o 3.26 :)​

Na prática, para ser exato, atualmente o Testing recebeu apenas 69% dos
pacotes do gnome 3.26 e o unstable 80%, embora o metapacote do gnome ainda
não tenha sido jogado para 3.26 (e o gnome-shell esteja no experimental),
já pode-se dizer que você está rodando o 3.26, pois os principais
componentes já estão no 3.26 (nautilus, gdm, utilitários...).

Nesta release, como tivemos a ajuda do pessoal do Ubuntu, o gnome 3.26
chegou mais rápido do que nunca no debian, estamos inclusive na frente do
Arch Linux, que ainda está com uma taxa de adoção ao gnome 3.26 de 0%, e
apenas recentemente incluiu os pacotes na sua seção gnome-unstable (após o
debian já ter recebido a maioria desses pacotes no unstable E ter passado
para o testing).

A adoção total (100%) do gnome deve chegar antes ao arch linux, entretanto,
pois logo eles irão passar todos os pacotes do 3.26 de uma vez do
gnome-unstable para a release de fato, enquanto no debian pelo menos o
pacote gnome-shell deverá levar no mínimo 5 dias para chegar ao testing
(pode ser que chegue no unstable antes que no arch). O arch provavelmente
irá manter esses pacotes no gnome-unstable por mais uns 2 dias.

​[1]https://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.26-status.html​

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Re: [Debian] Update Gnome 3.26?!

[Daniel Lenharo de Souza]

Em 19-09-2017 20:30, Ricardo Ramos escreveu:
> Boas pesoal,
>
> Alguem sabe dizer quando é que o Debian recebe o Gnome 3.26?
>
> O stable provavelmente vai receber uma versão mais recente, mas so
> daqui a uns anos quando for lançada a nova versão.
>
> Nesse momento eu estou usando o testing (buster) e gostaria de saber
> quando é que o Debian vai receber esse update.

No momento a versão 3.26 está apenas na experimental.

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Re: debian update

[Sven Arvidsson]

On Tue, 2015-11-17 at 21:30 +0100, Ivar Walfridsson wrote:
> Hej
> 
> Jag installerade debian med gnome från en sticka
> Nu när jag provar installera något så vill debian ha en cd/dvd skiva
> det gäller även uppdatering.

Gissningsvis är /etc/apt/sources.list konfigurerad för att leta efter
paket från installationsmedia. 

Du får antagligen lägga till de rader som krävs för att hämta
uppdateringar via http eller ftp.
https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList

(Jag tror det borde gjorts under installationen, så det kanske räcker
med att ta bort raden som hänvisar till CD/USB)

Posta annars filen nämnd ovan så kan vi säkert ge mer tips. 

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Re: debian update

[Martin Burman]

Prova redigera sources.list:

more /etc/apt/sources.list
#
# deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 8.2.0 _Jessie_ - Official amd64 NETINST 
Binary-1 20150906-11:09]/ jessie main
#deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 8.2.0 _Jessie_ - Official amd64 NETINST 
Binary-1 20150906-11:09]/ jessie main

deb http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ jessie main
deb-src http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ jessie main
deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main
deb-src http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main
# jessie-updates, previously known as 'volatile'
deb http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main
deb-src http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main

Hälsningar Martin

On 2015-11-17 21:30, Ivar Walfridsson wrote:

Hej

Jag installerade debian med gnome från en sticka
Nu när jag provar installera något så vill debian ha en cd/dvd skiva
det gäller även uppdatering.

Re: debian update + systemd + broken

[Bob]

On Wed, 5 Nov 2014 12:09:35 -0800
Don Armstrong d...@debian.org wrote:

 On Wed, 05 Nov 2014, Bob wrote:
  Installed systemd again , no change, BUT WAIT. if I execute exit
  command from maintenance, it put me into normal graphical mode. OK,
  now I got it few times... first it put me into maintenance after boot,
  then exit command puts me into mode 2 with all LVM mounted properly.
  
  And I don't have any idea what is going wrong :-( 
  anyone please ?
 
 This sounds like you have a fsck which is failing, or something else
 along those lines. You should see output on the screen related to that.
 
 
thanks, I'll work accordingly and provide here the consequences.


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Re: debian update + systemd + broken

[Don Armstrong]

On Wed, 05 Nov 2014, Bob wrote:
 Installed systemd again , no change, BUT WAIT. if I execute exit
 command from maintenance, it put me into normal graphical mode. OK,
 now I got it few times... first it put me into maintenance after boot,
 then exit command puts me into mode 2 with all LVM mounted properly.
 
 And I don't have any idea what is going wrong :-( 
 anyone please ?

This sounds like you have a fsck which is failing, or something else
along those lines. You should see output on the screen related to that.


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Re: debian update + systemd + broken

[Carlo]

2014-11-05 19:45 GMT+01:00 Bob bobnli...@gmail.com:
 I like to share my horrible experience with debian (testing branch) update 
 done few hours back and the consequences.

I guess that it's always important to read  well the mailing list
dedicated before to update in testing
(https://lists.debian.org/debian-testing-changes/) and read each
report if it's about delicate programs.
Update with blind eyes it's very dangerous in testing! Otherwise there
is the stable version.

 I see I got a new systemd service. but this can't properly mount my LVM 
 partitions and always land me into the maintenance mode.  Though can mount 
 then the lvm partitions manually but no graphics, no virtual terminal. Then I 
 purged systemd which automatically installed sysvinit and rebooted... still 
 same result.

I have never seen any debian netinstall choose the systemd option as
default, I get the impression that perhaps you have decided to install
systemd manually.is it right ?

 Installed systemd again , no change, BUT WAIT. if I execute exit 
 command from maintenance, it put me into normal graphical mode.
 OK, now I got it few times... first it put me into maintenance after boot, 
 then exit command puts me into mode 2 with all LVM mounted properly.

You could try to restart again from netinstall cd and the next time
not install systemd until there will not an official comunication.
this is my advice trusted.

Sysv init is still alive and it works very well.

Cheers.
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Re: Debian update/upgrade good practices?

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In BANLkTi=TzY5UoBaZXBqqAUBM2ysvBsk=k...@mail.gmail.com, Rafał Radecki wrote:
I have a new LAN to administer, I have 8 Debian production servers
which have been configured by someone else.
I try to make a reasonable update/upgrade policy for those servers.
Till now (for my home servers) I used aptitude update/upgrade and it
was ok. But here every server has many services (Oracje, JBoss, VMWare
2 Server, ...) and I think that now I should be more careful.

Should upgrades/updates be made automatically or manually?

I'm a big fan of automatically, for updates from stable and stable-security.  
However, these have been known to, in rare cases, cause failures.

Even for very critical systems, having a rollback (using snapshot.d.o) and 
blacklist (pin to a -1 the troublesome version) policy should be enough, as 
long as you have 24/7 support that can do that.

What
additional steps could be made?

unattended-upgrades, logcheck, and tripwire are my friends.  I think you might 
get along with them too.  If you have to put into production software that is 
not available in stable, I also suggest a cron job (unprivileged is fine) that 
runs (aptitude search '~U') -- manually upgrade that software as needed 
instead of relying on unattended-upgrades.

When should be dist-upgrade made?

Never.

If you are just getting updates to stable, upgrade should always be 
sufficient.  Transitions that require a package to be removed should not occur 
during the lifetime of stable.

If you are upgrading a production system from Lenny to Squeeze (or a similar 
oldstable - stable upgrade where a dist-upgrade is necessary), you should 
perform the upgrade on a test system that has as similar configuration and 
hardware as you can produce.  You may need to do a test upgrade a few times 
and you'll certainly want to test the services and do some clean up.  Once you 
have your procedures, which may be a lengthy addition to the release notes, 
depending your configuration and hardware, you can preform the upgrade to the 
production system.

One
one site I have read that Debian's policy is to use stable versions
and only add security updates... what do you think?

During the lifetime of a stable release, few (if any) new upstream versions 
are included in the updates.  Instead security and other important bug fixes 
are backported to the old version, in an attempt to keep stable as free-
from-change as possible.  (The patch fixing the issue is isolated, then 
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Re: Debian update/upgrade good practices?

[Jari Fredriksson]

18.5.2011 10:20, Rafał Radecki kirjoitti:
 Hi all.
 
 I have a new LAN to administer, I have 8 Debian production servers
 which have been configured by someone else.
 I try to make a reasonable update/upgrade policy for those servers.
 Till now (for my home servers) I used aptitude update/upgrade and it
 was ok. But here every server has many services (Oracje, JBoss, VMWare
 2 Server, ...) and I think that now I should be more careful.
 
 Should upgrades/updates be made automatically or manually? What
 additional steps could be made? When should be dist-upgrade made? One
 one site I have read that Debian's policy is to use stable versions
 and only add security updates... what do you think?

Be VERY cautious with those Oracle  VMWare if you think about
dist-upgrade. At least VMware will break. There is a 3rd party patch to
compile Vmware modules with a newer kernel.

I think there is no need to upgrade to squeeze for the VMware box anyway.

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Re: Debian update/upgrade good practices?

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 18 May 2011 09:20:53 +0200, Rafał Radecki wrote:

 I have a new LAN to administer, I have 8 Debian production servers which
 have been configured by someone else. I try to make a reasonable
 update/upgrade policy for those servers. Till now (for my home servers)
 I used aptitude update/upgrade and it was ok. But here every server has
 many services (Oracje, JBoss, VMWare 2 Server, ...) and I think that now
 I should be more careful.
 
 Should upgrades/updates be made automatically or manually? 

Manually, always.

 What additional steps could be made? 

Update on non working days, when you can easily leave the machine powered 
off (always expect for the worse).

 When should be dist-upgrade made? 

I prefer to install any new version from scratch, keeping the old system 
on a separate partition that can be booted wherenever I want and install 
the new version in parallel. That allows me to have a system ready to use 
and not depending on how will be the upgrade :-) 

 One one site I have read that Debian's policy is to use stable versions
 and only add security updates... what do you think?

That's true for the stable branch. It's a good policy, imo.
 
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Re: Debian update

[gustavo halperin]

Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote:

gustavo halperin wrote:

  

The only error from Xorg.0.log is
(EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable
But I don't think that it is the problem.



This does not seem to be the cause of the problem. If you want to correct
this however, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg might be useful.

  

I didn't find any error from xpdf in the ~/.xsession-errors but I found
something from Eterm:
Eterm: Warning: Locale not supported; defaulting to
portable C locale.



This is also not the cause of the problem. All it says is that eterm does
not support your locale. But it should not cause hangups.

1) When the hangup happens, Are you able to ctrl-alt-f1 and go into console
of the machine? If so, log in there and do top/htop etc., to figure out
which process is taking up most of the CPU, memory etc., You can also try
to ssh into the macine.
  
I can't doing nothing, the system is hung, also the mouse and keyboard 
doesn't respond.

2) Also make sure, all the packages in your system are up to date. Sometimes
intermixing different KDE versions etc., are known to cause some problems.
  

   gusti# apt-get dist-upgrade
   Reading package lists... Done
   Building dependency tree... Done
   Calculating upgrade... Done
   0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.


3) Are there any messages in /var/log/messages etc., indicating some hard
drive I/O problems? This is a long shot but worth checking up.
  

Noup

4) Do you have sufficient memory or are you constantly using swap space?
Using swap space is slow as opposed to using RAM and might explain
the hang ups.
  
Not, the hung also occur if I run Eterm as the first application after 
the X.

sorry I haven't been much useful so far

raju
  


By the way, maybe can I run Eterm and debug it and see what is the problem?
What do you think about it?

 Thank you,  Gustavo


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Re: Debian update

[Michael Pobega]

On Sun, Apr 22, 2007 at 05:57:43AM +0300, gustavo halperin wrote:
 Hello
 
 After update my debian system to the new release I experimented some 
 troubles. Actually the applications xpdf or Eterm or ida hung the 
 X server. I don't know how to resolve it, all the dependencies of these 
 application looks OK, so Any idea what is the problem or how find the 
 problem?
 
  Thank you in advance,  Gustavo
 
 

Wait, so they DO run, but they take a while?

Maybe try using aptitude to purge and reinstall them would work for you?
That's all I can think of without more information. Maybe `uname -r` and
`cat /etc/issue`?

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Re: Debian update

[Kamaraju S Kusumanchi]

gustavo halperin wrote:

  Hello
 
 After update my debian system to the new release I experimented some
 troubles. Actually the applications xpdf or Eterm or ida hung the
 X server. I don't know how to resolve it, all the dependencies of these
 application looks OK, so Any idea what is the problem or how find the
 problem?

Solve it step by step.

When you start the X server are there any errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
That would be the first place to look for X related problems.

Next, if everything in /var/log/Xorg.0.log looks fine, then start xpdf (say
from konsole) and see if there are any errors reported on the konsole
screen and in ~/.xsession-errors

hth
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Re: Debian update

[gustavo halperin]

Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote:

  gustavo halperin wrote:

  
  
 Hello

After update my debian system to the new release I experimented some
troubles. Actually the applications "xpdf" or "Eterm" or "ida" hung the
X server. I don't know how to resolve it, all the dependencies of these
application looks OK, so Any idea what is the problem or how find the
problem?

  
  
Solve it step by step.

When you start the X server are there any errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
That would be the first place to look for X related problems.

  

The only error from Xorg.0.log is
 (EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable
But I don't think that it is the problem.
There also some Warning:
 (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic" does not exist.
 Entry deleted from font path.
 (WW) `fonts.dir' not found (or not valid) in
"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1".
   Entry deleted from font path.
 (Run 'mkfontdir' on "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1").
Therefore I installed the next packages: 
 ttf-sil-charis ttf-sil-doulos ttf-summersby
 But I still think that the above thinks there aren't the problem.


  Next, if everything in /var/log/Xorg.0.log looks fine, then start xpdf (say
from konsole) and see if there are any errors reported on the konsole
screen and in ~/.xsession-errors
  

I didn't find any error from xpdf in the ~/.xsession-errors but I found
something from Eterm:
 Eterm: Warning: Locale not supported; defaulting to portable "C"
locale.
 Warning: locale not supported by C library, locale unchanged
I again don't think that is really problem, do you?

By the way my actual revision is: Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 \n \l
and the kernel revision is: 2.6.19.1 (same revision as before the
update).

Any Idea what can I do?

Thank you again, Gustavo

  
hth
raju

  







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Re: Debian update

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On Sun, Apr 22, 2007 at 04:18:12PM +0300, gustavo halperin wrote:
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 Solve it step by step.
 
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 raju
 
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I've got nothing to add to this post but I just want to warn you that
HTML mail is frowned upon on these lists, since most people read them
with Mutt (I'd say a good 40%), which is a cli mail program.

Plain text is the generally accepted method of mailing here.

Sorry to come across as a bit of an arse, but I'm just trying to point
you in the right direction.

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Re: Debian update

[Kamaraju S Kusumanchi]

gustavo halperin wrote:

 The only error from Xorg.0.log is
 (EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable
 But I don't think that it is the problem.

This does not seem to be the cause of the problem. If you want to correct
this however, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg might be useful.

 I didn't find any error from xpdf in the ~/.xsession-errors but I found
 something from Eterm:
 Eterm: Warning: Locale not supported; defaulting to
 portable C locale.

This is also not the cause of the problem. All it says is that eterm does
not support your locale. But it should not cause hangups.

1) When the hangup happens, Are you able to ctrl-alt-f1 and go into console
of the machine? If so, log in there and do top/htop etc., to figure out
which process is taking up most of the CPU, memory etc., You can also try
to ssh into the macine.

2) Also make sure, all the packages in your system are up to date. Sometimes
intermixing different KDE versions etc., are known to cause some problems.

3) Are there any messages in /var/log/messages etc., indicating some hard
drive I/O problems? This is a long shot but worth checking up.

4) Do you have sufficient memory or are you constantly using swap space?
Using swap space is slow as opposed to using RAM and might explain
the hang ups.

sorry I haven't been much useful so far

raju

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Re: Debian update

[Wayne Topa]

Michael Pobega([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said:
 On Sun, Apr 22, 2007 at 04:18:12PM +0300, gustavo halperin wrote:

--snip--
The message you complained about.

 
 I've got nothing to add to this post but I just want to warn you that
 HTML mail is frowned upon on these lists, since most people read them
 with Mutt (I'd say a good 40%), which is a cli mail program.
 
 Plain text is the generally accepted method of mailing here.
 
 Sorry to come across as a bit of an arse, but I'm just trying to point
 you in the right direction.

Michael

  If you know that HTML mail is discuraged then you should also know
  that you should not have included in your reply to him.

  You should also know that triming is very much encouraged but I
  see you don't do that very much.

  There are many of us on slow dialup.  Including the last 3-4 replies
  with your answer is not nesessary, or welcomed.  Most mutt users
  have all of the thread available already.  The thread with your
  fetchmail question comes to mind as a case in point.

Have a nice day.  :-)

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Re: Debian update (xorg): re-enable rotation

[Ulrich Scholz]

On 31 Jan., 23:00, Hugo Vanwoerkom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I guess you are talking KDE.

Yes, I'm using KDE version:  3.5.5

  my /etc/X11/xorg.conf says

 I have 1 instead of ###, is that the same?

No, it's not the same (# means comment).  1 does not help either


 I issue xrand -o left and the screen rotates.

xrandr gives an error if I use that option - it is not available.

Best,

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Re: Debian update (xorg): re-enable rotation - solved

[Ulrich Scholz]

On 1 Feb., 10:10, Ulrich Scholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

OK, I solved it (sometimes it helps to read the documentation):

- http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-8174/README/
32bit_html/appendix-d.html
  This feature is supported on GeForce2 or better hardware using depth
24.
  (I had only depth 16)

- nvidia-xconfig --rotate adjusted your X config file

Best,

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Re: Debian update (xorg): re-enable rotation

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Ulrich Scholz wrote:

Dear all,

I just upgraded Debian and switched from X86free to Xorg.  Now,
everything seems to work fine except that screen rotation is now
disabled.  How can I enable it again?



snip

I guess you are talking KDE.


my /etc/X11/xorg.conf says


snip


OptionRandRRotation  ###


snip

I have 1 instead of ###, is that the same?

I issue xrand -o left and the screen rotates.

Neater than canned beer!!!

But I have a 17 Samsung SyncMaster 750s CRT tube. Can you put that on 
it's side?


And now all the screens are cut off on the right. What is the way to fix 
that?


Hugo








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Re: Debian Update

[Andreas Janssen]

Hello

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

  and make sure your /etc/apt/source.list not pointing to your
  cd installation( except you want to install new package from it
  )
 
 Why not? An upgrade will always get the latest packages, and install
 will do the same, as long as you have an update source as well as the
 CDs in sources.list.
 
 Aha!  THANK you.  I'm about to confront this myself.
 
 I just downloaded the R2 update ISO for Woody and burned it to CD.
 So now my question is...  what do I do with it?
 
 Can I just add the appropriate CD-ROM entry to the sources.list file
 and then use apt-get update?

Use apt-cdrom to add the disc to your sources.list. Then use apt-get
upgrade.

 [...]
 I thought there should be some sort of FAQ or release notes that would
 explain exactly how this update CD is supposed to be used, but I
 haven't found it (which again doesn't mean it doesn't exist, so feel
 free to point me at it if anyone knows where it is)

Just tell apt you have it. The next apt-get upgrade will get newer
versions of installed packages from the update cd. If you install
packages, apt will automatically get the latest version.

best regards
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Re: Debian Update

[listcomm]

  and make sure your /etc/apt/source.list not pointing to your
  cd installation( except you want to install new package from it )
 
 Why not? An upgrade will always get the latest packages, and install will
 do the same, as long as you have an update source as well as the CDs in 
 sources.list.

Aha!  THANK you.  I'm about to confront this myself.

I just downloaded the R2 update ISO for Woody and burned it to CD.
So now my question is...  what do I do with it?

Can I just add the appropriate CD-ROM entry to the sources.list file and
then use apt-get update?

Should I do a blanket update that way, or just let it get the latest
versions from the update CD one at a time as needed (assuming it will
look
there instead of on the R1 CDs, which I'm guessing it will... ?) when I
load new packages in the future?

I thought there should be some sort of FAQ or release notes that would
explain exactly how this update CD is supposed to be used, but I haven't
found it (which again doesn't mean it doesn't exist, so feel free to
point
me at it if anyone knows where it is)


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Re: Debian Update

[Juha Siltala]

On 2004-08-14, cep welly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Rus Foster wrote:

 apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade

 and make sure your /etc/apt/source.list not pointing to your
 cd installation( except you want to install new package from it )

Why not? An upgrade will always get the latest packages, and install will
do the same, as long as you have an update source as well as the CDs in 
sources.list.

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Re: Debian Update

[Rus Foster]

On Fri, 13 Aug 2004, Victory wrote:
Can anyone tell me how to update all the packages and patches ?
I installed Debian 3.0r1 and want to update up today patches.
Regards
Victor,

apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade
That will do it
Rus
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Re: Debian Update

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On Fri, Aug 13, 2004 at 08:29:57AM -0400, Victory wrote:
 Can anyone tell me how to update all the packages and patches ? 
 I installed Debian 3.0r1 and want to update up today patches.

apt-get update  apt-get dist-upgrade

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Re: Debian Update

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On Aug 13, 01:54, Rus Foster wrote:
 On Fri, 13 Aug 2004, Victory wrote:
 
 Can anyone tell me how to update all the packages and patches ?
 I installed Debian 3.0r1 and want to update up today patches.
 
 Regards
 Victor,
 
 
 
 apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade
 
 That will do it

If the apt-get update fails for any reason apt-get upgrade won't install
all the latest pacakages.

apt-get update  apt-get upgrade, means upgrade only if the update is
sucessfull.

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Re: Debian Update

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Thomas Adam said:
 On Fri, Aug 13, 2004 at 08:29:57AM -0400, Victory wrote:
 Can anyone tell me how to update all the packages and patches ?  I
 installed Debian 3.0r1 and want to update up today patches.

 apt-get update  apt-get dist-upgrade


i prefer to use:

apt-get update $$ apt-get dselect-upgrade

its your preference.

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Re: Debian Update

[Andreas Janssen]

Hello

Victory ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

 Can anyone tell me how to update all the packages and patches ?
 I installed Debian 3.0r1 and want to update up today patches.

You need the following sources in /etc/apt/sources.lists:

- the Debian security server
- one of the Debian mirrors with the current packages for Woody
- a server with the Debian non-US packages

I used the following servers for Woody:

deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian woody main contrib non-free
deb ftp://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib \
non-free
deb ftp://security.debian.org/debian-security woody/updates main \
contrib non-free

You should probably pick another mirror server closer to you. After
adding the servers, run apt-get update and apt-get upgrade.

best regards
Andreas Janssen

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Re: Debian Update

[Victory]

Thanks Jim and Rus,

Victor,

- Original Message - 
From: Jim Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Victory [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: Debian Update


 On Aug 13, 01:54, Rus Foster wrote:
  On Fri, 13 Aug 2004, Victory wrote:
 
  Can anyone tell me how to update all the packages and patches ?
  I installed Debian 3.0r1 and want to update up today patches.
  
  Regards
  Victor,
  
  
 
  apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade
 
  That will do it

 If the apt-get update fails for any reason apt-get upgrade won't
install
 all the latest pacakages.

 apt-get update  apt-get upgrade, means upgrade only if the update is
 sucessfull.

 Peace Jim

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Re: Debian Update

[cep welly]

Rus Foster wrote:
On Fri, 13 Aug 2004, Victory wrote:
Can anyone tell me how to update all the packages and patches ?
I installed Debian 3.0r1 and want to update up today patches.
Regards
Victor,

apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade
That will do it
Rus
and make sure your /etc/apt/source.list not pointing to your
cd installation( except you want to install new package from it )
if you need any further guide, check /usr/share/doc/apt
( browsing debian official web site or googling are another good
alternative too )
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Re: Debian update?

[Paul Smith]

%% Tim Dijkstra [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  td * windowz (Can't seem to get wine working for that one win app I need
  td for banking stuff) 

If you're talking about Quicken, go take a look at Crossover Office,
from codeweavers.com.  A packaged version of Wine; the latest version
(1.2.0) works pretty will for Quicken.  A few minor glitches, but I've
been able to do everything I need to: I can even update to new versions
of Quicken online, as well as download E*Trade, credit card, and bank
stuff online.

It's not free, but it's not too expensive (~$50 IIRC), and all the
improvements they make to Wine are contributed back.  At $50 it's more
than worth it for me to avoid booting Windows... and it's _kind of_ free
software, since it's all Wine-based (only the installer and some
packaging is non-free, IIRC)... :).

I'd love to use GnuCash but it's just not there for me yet.  Last I
heard they don't even have scheduled transactions, much less online
banking... I'll keep an eye on them though.

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Re: [Debian]: Update auf glibc

[Martin Bialasinski]

 F == Forseti  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

F Ich habe vor zwei monaten schon einmal versucht, mit hilfe eines
F abstrusen howtos auf die glibc upzudaten, mit dem Resultat der Notwendigkeit
F einer kompletten neuinstallation 

Guck dir mal http://www.debian.org/news.html#19980624 an. Die autoup.sh
Methode ist gut getestet.

Ciao,
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