Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 01:55:08PM +0300, Anssi Saari wrote:
> Will Mengarini  writes:
> 
> > * Brian  [23-05/08=Mo 00:27 +0100]:
> >>   https://download3.ebz.epson.net/dsc/f/03/00/14/48/15/1d37501ad39bd2b5753 
> >> \
> >> cce3b2715b3e2fef557/epson-inkjet-printer-escpr_1.7.26-1lsb3.2_amd64.deb
> >
> > That includes a literal space in the middle of that hash
> > (because the space before the backslash is taken literally).
> >
> > However, when I removed that space by hand, I still got "not found":
> > 
> > debian/pts/3 bash3 ~ 17:03 0$HEAD
> > https://download3.ebz.epson.net/dsc/f/03/00/14/48/15/1d37501ad39bd2b5753cce3b2715b3e2fef557/epson-inkjet-printer-escpr_1.7.26-1lsb3.2_amd64.deb
> 
> I don't understand why you guys even propose installing drivers from
> Epson when printer-driver-escpr package is in Debian and should be
> correct for the printer in question? Is there some established reason to
> think it won't work? Or you just didn't do your homework?
> 
> I get that this saga probably never goes anywhere but I don't understand
> this advice, especially from Andrew. It seems to run counter to the Debian
> principle of using software that's actually packaged and tested by Debian.
>

If you reread - I suggest using the Debian package of escputil - I just wanted
Sophie to see that there was an Epson driver which might provide status
for ink tanks etc. - that's why I went through the steps of exactly how
to find the driver.

But yes, this is going nowhere - and there is no lsb package in Debian, I think.

Andy 

Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

[Anssi Saari]

Will Mengarini  writes:

> * Brian  [23-05/08=Mo 00:27 +0100]:
>>   https://download3.ebz.epson.net/dsc/f/03/00/14/48/15/1d37501ad39bd2b5753 \
>> cce3b2715b3e2fef557/epson-inkjet-printer-escpr_1.7.26-1lsb3.2_amd64.deb
>
> That includes a literal space in the middle of that hash
> (because the space before the backslash is taken literally).
>
> However, when I removed that space by hand, I still got "not found":
> 
> debian/pts/3 bash3 ~ 17:03 0$HEAD
> https://download3.ebz.epson.net/dsc/f/03/00/14/48/15/1d37501ad39bd2b5753cce3b2715b3e2fef557/epson-inkjet-printer-escpr_1.7.26-1lsb3.2_amd64.deb

I don't understand why you guys even propose installing drivers from
Epson when printer-driver-escpr package is in Debian and should be
correct for the printer in question? Is there some established reason to
think it won't work? Or you just didn't do your homework?

I get that this saga probably never goes anywhere but I don't understand
this advice, especially from Andrew. It seems to run counter to the Debian
principle of using software that's actually packaged and tested by Debian.

Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

[chris]

I know its only may but this has to win thread of the year

On Mon, May 15, 2023, 4:46 AM Schwibinger Michael  wrote:

> Good morning
>
> Thank You.
>
> EPSON said
> EPSON only works with WIN.
>
> Regards
> Sophie
>
>
>
> --
> *Von:* Brian 
> *Gesendet:* Sonntag, 7. Mai 2023 22:57
> *An:* debian-user@lists.debian.org 
> *Betreff:* Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are
> using the wrong driver
>
> On Sun 07 May 2023 at 20:27:53 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
>
> I offer the following in the interest of correctness and just in case
> Schwibinger
> Michael gets even more confused or disheartened and considers going away
> :).
>
> > From looking on Epson's website:
> >
> > 1. They do not support this printer under Linux officially
>
>   http://download.ebz.epson.net/dsc/search/01/search/searchModule
>
> Or, for a direct download
>
>   https://download3.ebz.epson.net/dsc/f/03/00/14/48/15/1d37501ad39bd2b5753
> \
>
> > 2. The printer is listed as a printer supported only under Windows - lots
> > of variants.
>
> brian@test-new:~$ /usr/sbin/lpinfo -m | grep -i ET-M1120
> escpr:0/cups/model/epson-inkjet-printer-escpr/Epson-ET-M1120_Series-epson-escpr-en.ppd
> \
> EPSON ET-M1120 Series , Epson Inkjet Printer Driver (ESC/P-R) for Linux
>
> --
> Briana.
>
>

Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

[Will Mengarini]

* Schwibinger Michael  [23-05/14=Sun 09:32 +]:
> This is not working:
> https://tutorialforlinux.com/2021/03/06/step-by-step-driver-epson-et-m1100-et-m1120-ubuntu-20-04-installation/2/

We need to know what fails.  Exactly what do
you do, and what results does it produce?

On Sun, May 07, 2023 at 08:51:29AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
>> How on earth would we know whether the
>> messages are important without seeing them?
>
> [...]
>
> OK.  I'm going to have one more go at this. [...]

And once again, and wiser in no wise,
I chase your colored phantom on the air,
And sob and curse and fall and weep and rise
And stumble pitifully on to where,
Miserable and lost, with stinging eyes,
Once more I clasp -- and there is nothing there.
-- Edna St Vincent Millay

  /* return TRUE if the monster tends to revive */
  #define is_reviver(ptr) (is_rider(ptr) || (ptr)->mlet == S_TROLL)
-- https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Source:NetHack_3.6.1/include/mondata.h

Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver Including BUG MESSAGE

[Greg Wooledge]

On Sat, May 13, 2023 at 10:18:37AM +, Schwibinger Michael wrote:
>   *   For Debian based distributions:
> # dpkg -i epson-inkjet-printer-escpr_.deb
> 
> 
> 
> What is the name of architecture?

Typically, either amd64 or i386, depending on which one you installed.
The canonical way to find out is:

unicorn:~$ dpkg --print-architecture
amd64

Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

[chris]

SUCCESS

On Fri, May 12, 2023, 1:41 PM Schwibinger Michael  wrote:

>
> Good afternoon
>
> I ll give the paper to a friend.
> He is owning a scanner.
> He ll scan it and I ll send it to the group.
>
> Thank You for help.
>
> Regards
> Sophie
> Thank You
>
>
> --
> *Von:* Greg Wooledge 
> *Gesendet:* Sonntag, 7. Mai 2023 12:51
> *An:* debian-user@lists.debian.org 
> *Betreff:* Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are
> using the wrong driver
>
> On Sun, May 07, 2023 at 09:26:33AM +, Schwibinger Michael wrote:
> > There are some other messages from the printer.
> >
> > Are they important?
>
> How on earth would we know whether the messages are important without
> seeing them?
>
> This is why nobody is offering you any more help.  You are presenting
> yourself as either a troll, or as someone who is so fundamentally
> incompetent that helping you is impossible.
>
> Do you want my advice?  Go find a local Linux users group, and ask them
> what kind of printers they're using.  Then buy one of THOSE printers,
> and have the Linux users group help you set it up.
>
>

Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

[chris]

True

On Wed, May 10, 2023, 11:08 AM Lee  wrote:

> On 5/10/23, Schwibinger Michael  wrote:
>
> nothing of interest .. same as every other day.
>
> *plonk*
>
>

Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

[Lee]

On 5/10/23, Schwibinger Michael  wrote:

nothing of interest .. same as every other day.

*plonk*

Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

[chris]

What is the issue with the printer?

On Wed, May 10, 2023, 10:58 AM Schwibinger Michael  wrote:

> Good morning
> Can somebody help with the printer.
>
> Can You wrote as topic:
>
> "joke".
>
> Regards
> Thank You
>
> Sophie
>
>
>
> --
> *Von:* Thomas Schmitt 
> *Gesendet:* Freitag, 5. Mai 2023 10:01
> *An:* debian-user@lists.debian.org 
> *Betreff:* Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are
> using the wrong driver
>
> Hi,
>
> to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > 1. I am not a German
> > 2. This is not a joke
> > 3. At least one of 1, 2, or 3 is false
>
> So the most humorous guess would be that you are a german philosopher.
>
>
> Have a nice day :)
>
> Thomas
>
>

Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

[Brad Rogers]

On Tue, 9 May 2023 16:26:20 -0400
chris  wrote:

Hello chris,

>Any update on the status of this Epson printer? The world is dying to
>know the outcome of this saga

We're back to the beginning;
  It doesn't print.
No other info.
OP is either;
 beyond help,
 rubbish AI,
or
 trolling.

-- 
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Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

[chris]

Any update on the status of this Epson printer? The world is dying to know
the outcome of this saga

On Mon, May 8, 2023, 2:35 PM Brad Rogers  wrote:

> On Mon, 8 May 2023 12:37:35 -0400
> chris  wrote:
>
> Hello chris,
>
> >Are we at the point yet where this has enough attention it would have
> >been cheaper to crowd fund a new printer?? 藍藍
>
> (smiley noted)
>
> I'm betting even that wouldn't work;  At this point, I'm of the opinion
> (after a quick glance through some of the earlier posts in this thread)
> that the OP may have installed the driver from Debian but has not fired
> up CUPS to actually make use of it.
>
> Given their obvious difficulties with English (not their native tongue,
> so entirely understandable) help from this point would have most likely
> have to take the form of paying them a visit.
>
> --
>  Regards  _   "Valid sig separator is {dash}{dash}{space}"
>  / )  "The blindingly obvious is never immediately apparent"
> / _)rad   "Is it only me that has a working delete key?"
> I'm spending all my money and it's going up my nose
> Teenage Depression - Eddie & The Hot Rods
>

Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

[Brad Rogers]

On Mon, 8 May 2023 12:37:35 -0400
chris  wrote:

Hello chris,

>Are we at the point yet where this has enough attention it would have
>been cheaper to crowd fund a new printer?? 藍藍

(smiley noted)

I'm betting even that wouldn't work;  At this point, I'm of the opinion
(after a quick glance through some of the earlier posts in this thread)
that the OP may have installed the driver from Debian but has not fired
up CUPS to actually make use of it.

Given their obvious difficulties with English (not their native tongue,
so entirely understandable) help from this point would have most likely
have to take the form of paying them a visit.

-- 
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 / )  "The blindingly obvious is never immediately apparent"
/ _)rad   "Is it only me that has a working delete key?"
I'm spending all my money and it's going up my nose
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Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

[chris]

Are we at the point yet where this has enough attention it would have been
cheaper to crowd fund a new printer?? 藍藍

On Mon, May 8, 2023, 12:03 PM Curt  wrote:

> On 2023-05-08, Will Mengarini  wrote:
> >
> > However, when I removed that space by hand, I still got "not found":
> > 
> > debian/pts/3 bash3 ~ 17:03 0$HEAD
> https://download3.ebz.epson.net/dsc/f/03/00/14/48/15/1d37501ad39bd2b5753cce3b2715b3e2fef557/epson-inkjet-printer-escpr_1.7.26-1lsb3.2_amd64.deb
> > 404 Not Found
> > Connection: close
>
>
>
> http://download.ebz.epson.net/dsc/du/02/DriverDownloadInfo.do?LG2=EN==144815=7d1f9cb6b55d10182962d13f26948e0052707a37
>
> It's on the page, after clicking Accept. I can't seem to derive the direct
> link to the file from that page.
>
>

Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

[Curt]

On 2023-05-08, Will Mengarini  wrote:
>
> However, when I removed that space by hand, I still got "not found":
> 
> debian/pts/3 bash3 ~ 17:03 0$HEAD 
> https://download3.ebz.epson.net/dsc/f/03/00/14/48/15/1d37501ad39bd2b5753cce3b2715b3e2fef557/epson-inkjet-printer-escpr_1.7.26-1lsb3.2_amd64.deb
> 404 Not Found
> Connection: close


http://download.ebz.epson.net/dsc/du/02/DriverDownloadInfo.do?LG2=EN==144815=7d1f9cb6b55d10182962d13f26948e0052707a37

It's on the page, after clicking Accept. I can't seem to derive the direct
link to the file from that page.

Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

[Jeremy Ardley]

On 8/5/23 08:47, Jeremy Ardley wrote:


On 8/5/23 08:12, Will Mengarini wrote:

* Brian  [23-05/08=Mo 00:27 +0100]:
https://download3.ebz.epson.net/dsc/f/03/00/14/48/15/1d37501ad39bd2b5753 
\

cce3b2715b3e2fef557/epson-inkjet-printer-escpr_1.7.26-1lsb3.2_amd64.deb

That includes a literal space in the middle of that hash
(because the space before the backslash is taken literally).

However, when I removed that space by hand, I still got "not found":


The driver is already included in the standard debian distribution

sudo apt-get install printer-driver-escpr

Then the usual cups administration to attach driver to printer using 
lpadmin or http://localhost:631




FYI The driver options are:

sudo apt-get install printer-driver-escpr

sudo lpinfo -m | grep -i epson-escpr-en | grep 1120
escpr:0/cups/model/epson-inkjet-printer-escpr/Epson-ET-M1120_Series-epson-escpr-en.ppd 
EPSON ET-M1120 Series , Epson Inkjet Printer Driver (ESC/P-R) for Linux
escpr:0/cups/model/epson-inkjet-printer-escpr/Epson-M1120_Series-epson-escpr-en.ppd 
EPSON M1120 Series , Epson Inkjet Printer Driver (ESC/P-R) for Linux


--
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Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

[Jeremy Ardley]

On 8/5/23 08:12, Will Mengarini wrote:

* Brian  [23-05/08=Mo 00:27 +0100]:

   https://download3.ebz.epson.net/dsc/f/03/00/14/48/15/1d37501ad39bd2b5753 \
cce3b2715b3e2fef557/epson-inkjet-printer-escpr_1.7.26-1lsb3.2_amd64.deb

That includes a literal space in the middle of that hash
(because the space before the backslash is taken literally).

However, when I removed that space by hand, I still got "not found":


The driver is already included in the standard debian distribution

sudo apt-get install printer-driver-escpr

Then the usual cups administration to attach driver to printer using lpadmin or 
http://localhost:631


--
Jeremy
(Lists)

Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

[Will Mengarini]

* Brian  [23-05/08=Mo 00:27 +0100]:
>   https://download3.ebz.epson.net/dsc/f/03/00/14/48/15/1d37501ad39bd2b5753 \
> cce3b2715b3e2fef557/epson-inkjet-printer-escpr_1.7.26-1lsb3.2_amd64.deb

That includes a literal space in the middle of that hash
(because the space before the backslash is taken literally).

However, when I removed that space by hand, I still got "not found":

debian/pts/3 bash3 ~ 17:03 0$HEAD 
https://download3.ebz.epson.net/dsc/f/03/00/14/48/15/1d37501ad39bd2b5753cce3b2715b3e2fef557/epson-inkjet-printer-escpr_1.7.26-1lsb3.2_amd64.deb
404 Not Found
Connection: close
Date: Mon, 08 May 2023 00:03:43 GMT
Accept-Ranges: bytes
Server: AkamaiNetStorage
Content-Length: 10
Client-Date: Mon, 08 May 2023 00:03:43 GMT
Client-Peer: 104.117.232.95:443
Client-Response-Num: 1
Client-SSL-Cert-Issuer: /C=US/O=DigiCert Inc/CN=DigiCert TLS RSA SHA256 2020 CA1
Client-SSL-Cert-Subject: /C=JP/ST=Nagano/L=Suwa-shi/O=SEIKO EPSON 
Corporation/CN=download2.ebz.epson.net
Client-SSL-Cipher: ECDHE-ECDSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384
Client-SSL-Socket-Class: IO::Socket::SSL
Client-SSL-Version: TLSv1_2


(HEAD is symlinked to /usr/bin/lwp-request, from package libwww-perl.)

Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

[Brian]

On Sun 07 May 2023 at 20:27:53 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:

I offer the following in the interest of correctness and just in case 
Schwibinger
Michael gets even more confused or disheartened and considers going away :).

> From looking on Epson's website:
> 
> 1. They do not support this printer under Linux officially

  http://download.ebz.epson.net/dsc/search/01/search/searchModule

Or, for a direct download

  https://download3.ebz.epson.net/dsc/f/03/00/14/48/15/1d37501ad39bd2b5753 \

> 2. The printer is listed as a printer supported only under Windows - lots
> of variants.

brian@test-new:~$ /usr/sbin/lpinfo -m | grep -i ET-M1120
escpr:0/cups/model/epson-inkjet-printer-escpr/Epson-ET-M1120_Series-epson-escpr-en.ppd
 \
EPSON ET-M1120 Series , Epson Inkjet Printer Driver (ESC/P-R) for Linux

-- 
Briana.

Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

[chris]

True

On Sun, May 7, 2023, 4:28 PM Andrew M.A. Cater  wrote:

> On Sun, May 07, 2023 at 08:51:29AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > On Sun, May 07, 2023 at 09:26:33AM +, Schwibinger Michael wrote:
> > > There are some other messages from the printer.
> > >
> > > Are they important?
> >
> > How on earth would we know whether the messages are important without
> > seeing them?
> >
> > This is why nobody is offering you any more help.  You are presenting
> > yourself as either a troll, or as someone who is so fundamentally
> > incompetent that helping you is impossible.
> >
>
> OK. I'm going to have one more go at this. For the avoidance of doubt:
> I'll assume that Sophie is genuine - maybe a teenager, certainly
> someone whose first language is German.
>
> I'm going to assume good faith, despite some evidence to the contrary.**
>
> >From looking on Epson's website:
>
> 1. They do not support this printer under Linux officially.
>
> 2. The printer is listed as a printer supported only under Windows - lots
> of variants.
>
> 3. It is listed as a GDI compatible printer - this is indicative of a
> printer
> that requires a specific Windows driver to compose the page.
>
> 4. It is compatible with older Epson printing protocols called Esc/P and
> Esc/P-R.
>
> 5. Epson do have a filter program available to make this printer work
> as an Esc/P printer under Linux using CUPS to manage the printer.
>
> 6. If CUPS setup is possible - you will need to read documents to be
> able to set up CUPS.
>
> See:
> https://www.epson.co.uk/products/printers/inkjet/consumer/ecotank-et-m1120/p/23162
>
> See: https://download.ebz.epson.net/man/linux/escpr.html
>
> > Do you want my advice?  Go find a local Linux users group, and ask them
> > what kind of printers they're using.  Then buy one of THOSE printers,
> > and have the Linux users group help you set it up.
> >
>
> This is possibly not the best advice: I would suggest that you find a
> fellow student who uses Linux and is an enthusiast to help you out.
>
> ** Michael Tobias Schwibinger (or similar spelling) appears to be a
> Dipl. Ing, interested in software, psychology and clown therapy / circus
> skills and clown theory?
>
> In the hope that this can finally put an end to this neverending thread.
>
> With every good wish, as ever,
>
> Andy Cater
>
>

Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Sun, May 07, 2023 at 08:51:29AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Sun, May 07, 2023 at 09:26:33AM +, Schwibinger Michael wrote:
> > There are some other messages from the printer.
> > 
> > Are they important?
> 
> How on earth would we know whether the messages are important without
> seeing them?
> 
> This is why nobody is offering you any more help.  You are presenting
> yourself as either a troll, or as someone who is so fundamentally
> incompetent that helping you is impossible.
> 

OK. I'm going to have one more go at this. For the avoidance of doubt:
I'll assume that Sophie is genuine - maybe a teenager, certainly 
someone whose first language is German. 

I'm going to assume good faith, despite some evidence to the contrary.**

>From looking on Epson's website:

1. They do not support this printer under Linux officially.

2. The printer is listed as a printer supported only under Windows - lots
of variants.

3. It is listed as a GDI compatible printer - this is indicative of a printer
that requires a specific Windows driver to compose the page.

4. It is compatible with older Epson printing protocols called Esc/P and 
Esc/P-R.

5. Epson do have a filter program available to make this printer work
as an Esc/P printer under Linux using CUPS to manage the printer.

6. If CUPS setup is possible - you will need to read documents to be
able to set up CUPS.

See: 
https://www.epson.co.uk/products/printers/inkjet/consumer/ecotank-et-m1120/p/23162

See: https://download.ebz.epson.net/man/linux/escpr.html

> Do you want my advice?  Go find a local Linux users group, and ask them
> what kind of printers they're using.  Then buy one of THOSE printers,
> and have the Linux users group help you set it up.
>

This is possibly not the best advice: I would suggest that you find a 
fellow student who uses Linux and is an enthusiast to help you out.

** Michael Tobias Schwibinger (or similar spelling) appears to be a
Dipl. Ing, interested in software, psychology and clown therapy / circus
skills and clown theory?

In the hope that this can finally put an end to this neverending thread. 

With every good wish, as ever,

Andy Cater

Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

[Greg Wooledge]

On Sun, May 07, 2023 at 09:26:33AM +, Schwibinger Michael wrote:
> There are some other messages from the printer.
> 
> Are they important?

How on earth would we know whether the messages are important without
seeing them?

This is why nobody is offering you any more help.  You are presenting
yourself as either a troll, or as someone who is so fundamentally
incompetent that helping you is impossible.

Do you want my advice?  Go find a local Linux users group, and ask them
what kind of printers they're using.  Then buy one of THOSE printers,
and have the Linux users group help you set it up.

Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> 1. I am not a German
> 2. This is not a joke
> 3. At least one of 1, 2, or 3 is false

So the most humorous guess would be that you are a german philosopher.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

[to...@tuxteam.de]

On Fri, May 05, 2023 at 09:02:20AM +, Schwibinger Michael wrote:
> 
> 
> Good morning
> 
> The Germans like to do jokes.

1. I am not a German
2. This is not a joke
3. At least one of 1, 2, or 3 is false

Cheers
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Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

[tomas]

On Tue, May 02, 2023 at 09:31:39PM -0700, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

[...]

> I don't know about your position, but I find myself repeating
> Hanlon's Razor a lot: "Never ascribe to malice that which can
> adequately be explained by stupidity."  But then, in the back
> of my mind, a little voice replies: "But Microsoft isn't stupid!"

My preferred tool in this case is Clarke's Third Razor:

  "any sufficiently advanced form of malice is indistinguishable
  from stupidity"

With apologies to Arthur C. Clarke and whoever Hanlon actually is.

Cheers
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Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

[Charlie Gibbs]

On Tue, 02 May 2023 13:40:01 +0200 "Thomas Schmitt"  
wrote:


> Hi,
>
> i wrote:
>
>>> i see 100% non-Hanlon opinions including a "sudo rm -R /"
>>> assassination attempt.
>
> to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
>
>> Murder by a Hanlon razor. Now that would be... something.
>
> It would only be deadly if the assassination target is indeed stupid
> and not just pretending.
>
>> Perhaps this is just a dark tentacle of ChatGPT, probing the
>> more fringe aspects of human psychology.
>
> Some german list members speculated about a psychology or sociology
> experiment going on. Nevertheless i think to have observed Sophie
> before ChatGPT (but after ELIZA).
>
>> It's coming from a Microsoft domain, after all.
>
> What is our position on Microsoft Inc. and Hanlon's Razor ?

I don't know about your position, but I find myself repeating
Hanlon's Razor a lot: "Never ascribe to malice that which can
adequately be explained by stupidity."  But then, in the back
of my mind, a little voice replies: "But Microsoft isn't stupid!"

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Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

[tomas]

On Tue, May 02, 2023 at 01:39:28PM +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> i wrote:
> > > i see 100% non-Hanlon opinions including a "sudo rm -R /" assassination
> > > attempt.
> 
> to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > Murder by a Hanlon razor. Now that would be... something.
> 
> It would only be deadly if the assassination target is indeed stupid and
> not just pretending.
> 
> 
> > Perhaps this is just a dark tentacle of ChatGPT, probing the
> > more fringe aspects of human psychology.
> 
> Some german list members speculated about a psychology or sociology
> experiment going on. Nevertheless i think to have observed Sophie before
> ChatGPT (but after ELIZA).

So that would be pre-release training?

> > It's coming from a Microsoft domain, after all.
> 
> What is our position on Microsoft Inc. and Hanlon's Razor ?

...follow the money. Microsoft has dumped such an outrageous amount
of that into OpenAI as to be relevant. Besides, they're now feeling
all smug for having (at least ostensibly) out-maneuvred Google, for
once.

Besides... history. They already released one AI (on twitter?) which
ended up misbehaving.

> Have a nice day :)

Likewise :)
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Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

i wrote:
> > i see 100% non-Hanlon opinions including a "sudo rm -R /" assassination
> > attempt.

to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> Murder by a Hanlon razor. Now that would be... something.

It would only be deadly if the assassination target is indeed stupid and
not just pretending.


> Perhaps this is just a dark tentacle of ChatGPT, probing the
> more fringe aspects of human psychology.

Some german list members speculated about a psychology or sociology
experiment going on. Nevertheless i think to have observed Sophie before
ChatGPT (but after ELIZA).


> It's coming from a Microsoft domain, after all.

What is our position on Microsoft Inc. and Hanlon's Razor ?


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

[tomas]

On Tue, May 02, 2023 at 11:32:13AM +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote:

[...]

> In
>   https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-german/2023/03/msg00123.html
> i see 100% non-Hanlon opinions including a "sudo rm -R /" assassination
> attempt.

Murder by a Hanlon razor. Now that would be... something.

I used to be on Hanlon's side; slowly, that one is decaying.
It seems that you were right, after all.

Perhaps this is just a dark tentacle of ChatGPT, probing the
more fringe aspects of human psychology. It's coming from
a Microsoft domain, after all.

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Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > > If you still have issues with your printer, I strongly advise you to ask
> > > on the German mailing list,

Thomas Hochstein wrote:
> > They started on the German mailing list, about a year ago ...

Schwibinger Michael / Sophie wrote:
> The Germans did send You to this list.

No. The Germans did send You to this list.

(I could not resist biting the obvious comedy bait and did not even
check whether there was really the advise to mail to debian-user.)


> Was this wrong?

Maybe they wanted to let the world participate in the experience of a
"Hurz!" performance.

Regrettably there is no english version of
  https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurz!
So i try to translate the first sentences:

  Hurz! is a tv prank by Hape Kerkeling and Achim Hagemann, which belongs
  to the best known works of Kerkeling. [...] aired in 1991 [...]
  Kerkeling and Hagemann pretend to be polish musicians who [...] present
  the unaware audience an alleged excerpt from an opera by a fictive
  contemporary classic composer. Although the text is comprised of short
  nonsense passages which get multiple times interrupted by the outcry
  "Hoorts!", parts of the audience try hard to find a sincere
  interpretation during the subsequent discussion.


About half of the audience of the thread "Debian bootet nicht / Screenshot"
at
  https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-german/2022/10/threads.html
makes mocking comments about the overall Sophie show. The other half is
quarreling over the question whether Hanlon's Razor cuts correctly in this
case.
In
  https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-german/2023/03/msg00123.html
i see 100% non-Hanlon opinions including a "sudo rm -R /" assassination
attempt.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

[gene heskett]

On 5/1/23 08:36, Thomas Hochstein wrote:

Greg Wooledge wrote:


If you still have issues with your printer, I strongly advise you to ask
on the German mailing list, or whichever mailing list speaks your primary
language.  I don't think anyone on this list is interested in continuing
to offer help to you.


They started on the German mailing list, about a year ago ...

.
The last epson I had that worked with linux was a 4 color C82, well over 
a decade ago. Then it looks as if they started making windows only 
printers because all the normal printer stuff was moved from the driver 
in the printer and put into the windows driver, leaving only the ability 
to put a drop of the chosen color at the chosen xy spot on the paper in 
the printer.  That and the constant battle to keep the nozzle unclogged 
got tiresome and limited the last printer I bought to about 2 months 
life. So that was replaced by a Brother color laser, which worked well 
for around 4 years, then slowly lost its corona wire voltage, an easy 
enough to diagnose problem for me as I am a CET, but brother refused to 
sell me a board despite the fact that I am a CET, fully capable of 
handling that high voltage item. So I brought home their biggest inkjet. 
That was about 8 years ago, and it is still pumping out full color 
images on paper up to tabloid size. A huge device, its also a scanner 
for 11x17 tabloid. I also have a much faster HLL2320dw a B laser that 
does duplex on copy paper at 19 pages a minute. And running on linux, 
using the drivers they supply, both run to their full capabilities.


Obviously I am now a Brother fan and I believe in supporting the makers 
who support us. Glaringly obvious in my previous post. But apparently 
this person doesn't want to admit a mistake was made, and the only way 
to solve it is to run an all windows house at much more cost than buying 
another printer that is supported would be.  Brother's consumables cost 
less per page than epson so you get the difference back over time and 
reams of paper.


This may be a duplicate of what wallmart had for sale at $31.95 3 or 4 
years ago, and which I saw the epson label and drove the cart right on by.


Cheers, Gene Heskett.
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Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

[Thomas Hochstein]

Greg Wooledge wrote:

> If you still have issues with your printer, I strongly advise you to ask
> on the German mailing list, or whichever mailing list speaks your primary
> language.  I don't think anyone on this list is interested in continuing
> to offer help to you.

They started on the German mailing list, about a year ago ...

Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

[Greg Wooledge]

On Mon, May 01, 2023 at 08:31:11AM +, Schwibinger Michael wrote:
> Good morning
> Thank You for email.
> 
> 
> Plonk!
> 
> Wat is a plonk?
> A bug?

http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/P/plonk.html

It means that person has put you on their ignore list, or killfile, or
whatever it's called in their mail reader.  They have chosen never to
see anything you write, ever again.

If you still have issues with your printer, I strongly advise you to ask
on the German mailing list, or whichever mailing list speaks your primary
language.  I don't think anyone on this list is interested in continuing
to offer help to you.

Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

[Jeffrey Walton]

On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 5:16 PM Schwibinger Michael  wrote:
>
> Good afternoon.
> The new printer is not  working.
> EPSON is saying
> You cant use EPSON with Linux.
>
> Is this true?

Plonk!

Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

[tomas]

Good morning, Mr. or Mrs. Schwibinger

your mail provider (hotmail.com) doesn't like my mails.

Please complain to them, as I am not able to help you
with your problems.

Regards
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Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

[tomas]

On Sun, Apr 23, 2023 at 09:08:52AM +, Schwibinger Michael wrote:
> Good morning
> 
> Thank You
> What is the problem with mutt?

Mutt has no problems.

> Is there a DEBIAN URL
> where I can find drivers for printers?

Start here: https://wiki.debian.org/Printing

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Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

[chris]

Another runaway thread that never ends lol

On Sat, Apr 22, 2023, 10:25 AM Curt  wrote:

> On 2023-04-15, Brian  wrote:
> >> >
> >> > It is the OP who needs help, not me. She couls at least provide
> correct and full date.
> >> >
> >> Why not just everyone attack each other?
> >
> > There have not been any attacks whatsoever on any users.
> >
> >> This looks like an uncontrolled pillow fight.
> >
> > It only looks that way. In fact, everything is under control.
> >
>
> When you're Under Down, everything looks like a pillow fight.
>
>
>
>

Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

[Curt]

On 2023-04-15, Brian  wrote:
>> > 
>> > It is the OP who needs help, not me. She couls at least provide correct 
>> > and full date.
>> > 
>> Why not just everyone attack each other?
>
> There have not been any attacks whatsoever on any users.
>
>> This looks like an uncontrolled pillow fight.
>
> It only looks that way. In fact, everything is under control.
>

When you're Under Down, everything looks like a pillow fight.

Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

[Bret Busby]

On 16/4/23 06:14, Jeffrey Walton wrote:

On Sat, Apr 15, 2023 at 4:26 PM Bret Busby  wrote:


On 16/4/23 03:57, Bret Busby wrote:

On 15/4/23 19:41, Brian wrote:




Why not just everyone attack each other?


There have not been any attacks whatsoever on any users.


This looks like an uncontrolled pillow fight.


It only looks that way. In fact, everything is under control.


Perhaps you should try to convince the others who have also seen the
sandpit fight.


It's nothing a Plonk won't fix :)

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=usenet+plonk+killfile

Jeff

Or, I suppose, a bottle of plonk (providing the drinker is away from, 
and not thinking about, the aggression, when consuming the plonk) .


:)

(Disclaimer - I am not encouraging the drinking of plonk - I am a 
teetotaller)


..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..

Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

[Jeffrey Walton]

On Sat, Apr 15, 2023 at 4:26 PM Bret Busby  wrote:
>
> On 16/4/23 03:57, Bret Busby wrote:
> > On 15/4/23 19:41, Brian wrote:
> >
> > 
> >
> >>> Why not just everyone attack each other?
> >>
> >> There have not been any attacks whatsoever on any users.
> >>
> >>> This looks like an uncontrolled pillow fight.
> >>
> >> It only looks that way. In fact, everything is under control.
> >
> > Perhaps you should try to convince the others who have also seen the
> > sandpit fight.

It's nothing a Plonk won't fix :)

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=usenet+plonk+killfile

Jeff

Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

[Bret Busby]

On 16/4/23 03:57, Bret Busby wrote:

On 15/4/23 19:41, Brian wrote:




Why not just everyone attack each other?


There have not been any attacks whatsoever on any users.


This looks like an uncontrolled pillow fight.


It only looks that way. In fact, everything is under control.



Perhaps you should try to convince the others who have also seen the 
sandpit fight.


..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..




And, a clear lack of respect has been shown, by the antagonists, for 
every other subscriber to the list.


..
Bret Busby
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Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

[Bret Busby]

On 15/4/23 19:41, Brian wrote:




Why not just everyone attack each other?


There have not been any attacks whatsoever on any users.


This looks like an uncontrolled pillow fight.


It only looks that way. In fact, everything is under control.



Perhaps you should try to convince the others who have also seen the 
sandpit fight.


..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..

Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

[Brian]

On Fri 14 Apr 2023 at 18:33:26 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:

> >> The new printer is not  working.
> >> EPSON is saying
> >> You cant use EPSON with Linux.
> >> 
> >> Is this true?
> >
> > You could consider:
> >
> >   * Stating the Debain OS being used.
> >   * Giving the printer make and model.
> 
> "Subject:" says "EPSON ET M 1120"
> AFAICT it's a monochrome printer from 2019 with some kind of ink tank.
> Given the timescale, it probably supports driverless printing.

The EPSON ET M1120 does not come with enough intelligence to be certified
as AirPrintint-capable. Therefore, it may or may not be be a driverless
device. The printer would need to be queried and its attributes examined
to make a decision.

-- 
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Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

[Brian]

On Fri 14 Apr 2023 at 19:28:19 -0400, The Wanderer wrote:

> On 2023-04-14 at 19:17, Brian wrote:

[...]
 
> > That's an issue for the OP, not me.
> 
> Certainly. I was meaning that bullet-point item as an addendum to the
> list you provided (which I understand to have been aimed at the OP), not
> as something directed at you.

Apologies. I should have taken more notice of the structure of your mail.

-- 
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Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

Bret Busby wrote:
> > Why not just everyone attack each other?
> > This looks like an uncontrolled pillow fight.

We should rather invest our time in a discussion whether CP/M was better
than DOS.


Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> in this instance, however, we've had a series of emails from this
> person in the past. [...]
> sniping doesn't really help at all. [...]
> We are all human and can get annoyed when someone just doesn't *get it*

But this particular poster is quite special.
About a year ago i too tried to help Sophie / Michael Schwibinger with
a question about "CD"
  https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2022/04/msg00742.html
but her/his replies in the thread caused me to ask for an explanation
why "Sophie" uses the mail address of a german amateur clown and IT
engineer, especially whether "Michael Schwibinger" is aware of this usage:
  https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2022/04/msg00964.html
No reply was received.

Given the time pattern of posts and the lack of any learning progress
in respect to proper asking Debian GNU/Linux questions i suspect that
the mails from h...@hotmail.com are not sent with sincere intentions.
They rather look like somebody is bored from time to time and throws a
pebble into the pond just to watch the ripples.
Just look at the photo on
  https://hbss.tripod.com/

I may be wrong. But it would be easy for Sophie / Michael Schwibinger
to explain the circumstances, which she/he did not do up to now.
So i think it is currently not worth to quarrel over these mails.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Sat, Apr 15, 2023 at 07:17:23AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
> Why not just everyone attack each other?
> 
> This looks like an uncontrolled pillow fight.
> 
> ..
> Bret Busby
> Armadale
> West Australia
> (UTC+0800)
> ..
>

Agreed: in this instance, however, we've had a series of emails from this 
person in the past. Most of them don't reset a subject so go on a long time
on various subjects in the same thread.

That said: people - please remember that this list is subject to the Code
of Conduct. Part of that involves being constructive and helpful: sniping
doesn't really help at all.

We are all human and can get annoyed when someone just doesn't *get it* 
but it's useful to remember that email is hard because you can't see
the circumstances of the person on the other end. That's also one of 
the reasons why these threads keep asking for technical details / accuracy:
whenever these sorts of questions get asked, we're using guesswork because
we can't see over your shoulder.

With every good wish, as ever,

Andy Cater
[amaca...@debian.org]

Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

[David]

On Sat, 2023-04-15 at 07:17 +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
> On 15/4/23 07:11, Brian wrote:
> > On Sat 15 Apr 2023 at 07:00:18 +0800, Jeremy Ardley wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > On 15/4/23 06:52, Brian wrote:
> > > > The EPSON ET M 1120 doesn't exist. Do we have to guess its
> > > > correct name
> > > > as well
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I asked ChatGPT3.5 about that text string. At least ChatGPT could
> > > figure it
> > > out
> > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > My Question
> > > 
> > > Linux printer driver and printer command protocol for epson ET M
> > > 1120 ?
> > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ChatGPT response
> > > 
> > > The Epson ET-M1120 printer supports the Epson ESC/P-R printer
> > > language,
> > > which is a command protocol used by Epson printers.
> > 
> > It is the OP who needs help, not me. She couls at least provide
> > correct and full date.
> > 
> Why not just everyone attack each other?
> 
> This looks like an uncontrolled pillow fight.

Agreed!
Specifically geared to somebody not coming back, or just going back to
using Windows.
Tone and manner are more than disorienting to a new user, and far from
helpful.
Cheers!

Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

[Bret Busby]

On 15/4/23 07:11, Brian wrote:

On Sat 15 Apr 2023 at 07:00:18 +0800, Jeremy Ardley wrote:



On 15/4/23 06:52, Brian wrote:

The EPSON ET M 1120 doesn't exist. Do we have to guess its correct name
as well



I asked ChatGPT3.5 about that text string. At least ChatGPT could figure it
out


My Question


Linux printer driver and printer command protocol for epson ET M 1120 ?


ChatGPT response


The Epson ET-M1120 printer supports the Epson ESC/P-R printer language,
which is a command protocol used by Epson printers.


It is the OP who needs help, not me. She couls at least provide correct and 
full date.


Why not just everyone attack each other?

This looks like an uncontrolled pillow fight.

..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..

Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

[The Wanderer]

On 2023-04-14 at 19:17, Brian wrote:

> On Fri 14 Apr 2023 at 19:06:08 -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
> 
>> On 2023-04-14 at 18:52, Brian wrote:

>>> The EPSON ET M 1120 doesn't exist. Do we have to guess its
>>> correct name as well as any other relevant information?
>> 
>> When I searched for
>> 
>> Epson ET M 1120
>> 
>> I got a suggestion that I may have meant "M1120" instead of the
>> last two search terms, and hits for the "Epson EcoTank ET M1120"
>> and/or "Epson EcoTank M1120", which look to be different names for
>> the same model and to be a fairly clear match.
>> 
>> While, yes, specifying the exact name clearly would be preferable,
>> this is far from unreasonably difficult to figure out.
> 
> I decided to take your signature as a template for my original
> response :).

I can respect that!

>>> I haven't a clue what you are going on about here. Shift-L in
>>> mutt was used at this end.
>> 
>> Your replies to the OP have been fine, AFAIK. The OP's message was 
>> itself a reply, as can be seen by looking at its headers
>> (In-Reply-To: and References:), but was otherwise presented as if
>> it had been the start of a new thread; that is not fine, because it
>> hides the "new thread" inside of the existing one, at least for
>> anyone using a threaded view of the list of messages.
> 
> That's an issue for the OP, not me.

Certainly. I was meaning that bullet-point item as an addendum to the
list you provided (which I understand to have been aimed at the OP), not
as something directed at you.

-- 
   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw



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Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

[David]

On Fri, 2023-04-14 at 23:52 +0100, Brian wrote:
> On Fri 14 Apr 2023 at 18:22:09 -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
> 
> > On 2023-04-14 at 18:10, Brian wrote:
> > 
> > > On Fri 14 Apr 2023 at 14:40:33 +, Schwibinger Michael wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Good afternoon.
> > > > The new printer is not  working.
> > > > EPSON is saying
> > > > You cant use EPSON with Linux.
> > > > 
> > > > Is this true?
> > > 
> > > You could consider:
> > > 
> > >   * Stating the Debain OS being used.
> > >   * Giving the printer make and model.
> > 
> > The make *was* stated: Epson.
> > 
> > The model may also have been stated, albeig only in the Subject
> > line: ET
> > M1120. From a bit of Googling, the "ET" appears to stand for
> > "EcoTank".
> 
> The EPSON ET M 1120 doesn't exist.

Yes, it does.
It doesn't take a quantum leap in realisation to identify it as ET-
M1120.

>  Do we have to guess its correct name as well
> as any other relevant information?
> 
> > >   * Specifying the connection method. USB. Network.
> > >   * Giving the exact error message and where it came from.
> > 
> > Also:
> > 
> > * Starting a new thread to discuss the matter, rather than replying
> > to
> > an existing message deep in an existing thread, deleting the body,
> > and
> > changing the Subject line before sending.
> > 
> > (This question, and its replies, are appearing as responses to a
> > mail
> > from Michael Stone in the 'update-initramfs' thread.)
> 
> I haven't a clue what you are going on about here. Shift-L in mutt
> was used at
> this end.
> 

Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

[Brian]

On Fri 14 Apr 2023 at 19:06:08 -0400, The Wanderer wrote:

> On 2023-04-14 at 18:52, Brian wrote:
> 
> > On Fri 14 Apr 2023 at 18:22:09 -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
> > 
> >> On 2023-04-14 at 18:10, Brian wrote:
> 
> >> > You could consider:
> >> > 
> >> >   * Stating the Debain OS being used.
> >> >   * Giving the printer make and model.
> >> 
> >> The make *was* stated: Epson.
> >> 
> >> The model may also have been stated, albeig only in the Subject line: ET
> >> M1120. From a bit of Googling, the "ET" appears to stand for "EcoTank".
> > 
> > The EPSON ET M 1120 doesn't exist. Do we have to guess its correct name as 
> > well
> > as any other relevant information?
> 
> When I searched for
> 
> Epson ET M 1120
> 
> I got a suggestion that I may have meant "M1120" instead of the last two
> search terms, and hits for the "Epson EcoTank ET M1120" and/or "Epson
> EcoTank M1120", which look to be different names for the same model and
> to be a fairly clear match.
> 
> While, yes, specifying the exact name clearly would be preferable, this
> is far from unreasonably difficult to figure out.

I decided to take your signature as a template for my original response :).
 
> >> >   * Specifying the connection method. USB. Network.
> >> >   * Giving the exact error message and where it came from.
> >> 
> >> Also:
> >> 
> >> * Starting a new thread to discuss the matter, rather than replying
> >> to an existing message deep in an existing thread, deleting the
> >> body, and changing the Subject line before sending.
> >> 
> >> (This question, and its replies, are appearing as responses to a
> >> mail from Michael Stone in the 'update-initramfs' thread.)
> > 
> > I haven't a clue what you are going on about here. Shift-L in mutt
> > was used at this end.
> 
> Your replies to the OP have been fine, AFAIK. The OP's message was
> itself a reply, as can be seen by looking at its headers (In-Reply-To:
> and References:), but was otherwise presented as if it had been the
> start of a new thread; that is not fine, because it hides the "new
> thread" inside of the existing one, at least for anyone using a threaded
> view of the list of messages.

That's an issue for the OP, not me.

-- 
Brian.

Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

[The Wanderer]

On 2023-04-14 at 18:52, Brian wrote:

> On Fri 14 Apr 2023 at 18:22:09 -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
> 
>> On 2023-04-14 at 18:10, Brian wrote:

>> > You could consider:
>> > 
>> >   * Stating the Debain OS being used.
>> >   * Giving the printer make and model.
>> 
>> The make *was* stated: Epson.
>> 
>> The model may also have been stated, albeig only in the Subject line: ET
>> M1120. From a bit of Googling, the "ET" appears to stand for "EcoTank".
> 
> The EPSON ET M 1120 doesn't exist. Do we have to guess its correct name as 
> well
> as any other relevant information?

When I searched for

Epson ET M 1120

I got a suggestion that I may have meant "M1120" instead of the last two
search terms, and hits for the "Epson EcoTank ET M1120" and/or "Epson
EcoTank M1120", which look to be different names for the same model and
to be a fairly clear match.

While, yes, specifying the exact name clearly would be preferable, this
is far from unreasonably difficult to figure out.

>> >   * Specifying the connection method. USB. Network.
>> >   * Giving the exact error message and where it came from.
>> 
>> Also:
>> 
>> * Starting a new thread to discuss the matter, rather than replying
>> to an existing message deep in an existing thread, deleting the
>> body, and changing the Subject line before sending.
>> 
>> (This question, and its replies, are appearing as responses to a
>> mail from Michael Stone in the 'update-initramfs' thread.)
> 
> I haven't a clue what you are going on about here. Shift-L in mutt
> was used at this end.

Your replies to the OP have been fine, AFAIK. The OP's message was
itself a reply, as can be seen by looking at its headers (In-Reply-To:
and References:), but was otherwise presented as if it had been the
start of a new thread; that is not fine, because it hides the "new
thread" inside of the existing one, at least for anyone using a threaded
view of the list of messages.

-- 
   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw



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Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

[Jeremy Ardley]

On 15/4/23 06:52, Brian wrote:
The EPSON ET M 1120 doesn't exist. Do we have to guess its correct 
name as well



I asked ChatGPT3.5 about that text string. At least ChatGPT could figure 
it out


>> My Question

Linux printer driver and printer command protocol for epson ET M 1120 ?

>> ChatGPT response

The Epson ET-M1120 printer supports the Epson ESC/P-R printer language, 
which is a command protocol used by Epson printers.


To install the printer driver for Linux, you can follow these steps:

Connect the printer to your computer and make sure it is turned on.
Open your Linux terminal and run the following command to update your 
system package list:


sudo apt-get update

Install the printer driver by running the following command:

sudo apt-get install printer-driver-escpr

Follow the on-screen instructions to complete the installation.

Once the driver is installed, you can use the printer with any 
application that supports printing.




--
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Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

[Charles Curley]

On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 06:36:53 +0800
Jeremy Ardley  wrote:

> On 15/4/23 06:22, The Wanderer wrote:
>  [...]  
> If you look hard enough you find epson does support it.
> 
> https://download.ebz.epson.net/dsc/search/01/search/searchModule
> 
> and search for M1120
> 
> you find
> 
> ET-M1120 Series
> M1120 Series
>   Printer Driver  Linux
>   1.7.26  ESC/P-R Driver (generic driver) All
> language 04-10-2023
> 
> 
> and that links to the standard esc/p-r driver
> 

And that driver is even available in Debian.

apt show printer-driver-escpr

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Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

[Brian]

On Fri 14 Apr 2023 at 18:22:09 -0400, The Wanderer wrote:

> On 2023-04-14 at 18:10, Brian wrote:
> 
> > On Fri 14 Apr 2023 at 14:40:33 +, Schwibinger Michael wrote:
> > 
> >> Good afternoon.
> >> The new printer is not  working.
> >> EPSON is saying
> >> You cant use EPSON with Linux.
> >> 
> >> Is this true?
> > 
> > You could consider:
> > 
> >   * Stating the Debain OS being used.
> >   * Giving the printer make and model.
> 
> The make *was* stated: Epson.
> 
> The model may also have been stated, albeig only in the Subject line: ET
> M1120. From a bit of Googling, the "ET" appears to stand for "EcoTank".

The EPSON ET M 1120 doesn't exist. Do we have to guess its correct name as well
as any other relevant information?

> >   * Specifying the connection method. USB. Network.
> >   * Giving the exact error message and where it came from.
> 
> Also:
> 
> * Starting a new thread to discuss the matter, rather than replying to
> an existing message deep in an existing thread, deleting the body, and
> changing the Subject line before sending.
> 
> (This question, and its replies, are appearing as responses to a mail
> from Michael Stone in the 'update-initramfs' thread.)

I haven't a clue what you are going on about here. Shift-L in mutt was used at
this end.

-- 
Brian.

Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

[Jeremy Ardley]

On 15/4/23 06:22, The Wanderer wrote:


The make *was* stated: Epson.

The model may also have been stated, albeig only in the Subject line: ET
M1120. From a bit of Googling, the "ET" appears to stand for "EcoTank".


If you look hard enough you find epson does support it.

https://download.ebz.epson.net/dsc/search/01/search/searchModule

and search for M1120

you find

ET-M1120 Series
M1120 Series
Printer Driver  Linux
1.7.26  ESC/P-R Driver (generic driver) All language
04-10-2023


and that links to the standard esc/p-r driver

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Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

[Stefan Monnier]

>> The new printer is not  working.
>> EPSON is saying
>> You cant use EPSON with Linux.
>> 
>> Is this true?
>
> You could consider:
>
>   * Stating the Debain OS being used.
>   * Giving the printer make and model.

"Subject:" says "EPSON ET M 1120"
AFAICT it's a monochrome printer from 2019 with some kind of ink tank.
Given the timescale, it probably supports driverless printing.


Stefan

Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

[The Wanderer]

On 2023-04-14 at 18:10, Brian wrote:

> On Fri 14 Apr 2023 at 14:40:33 +, Schwibinger Michael wrote:
> 
>> Good afternoon.
>> The new printer is not  working.
>> EPSON is saying
>> You cant use EPSON with Linux.
>> 
>> Is this true?
> 
> You could consider:
> 
>   * Stating the Debain OS being used.
>   * Giving the printer make and model.

The make *was* stated: Epson.

The model may also have been stated, albeig only in the Subject line: ET
M1120. From a bit of Googling, the "ET" appears to stand for "EcoTank".

>   * Specifying the connection method. USB. Network.
>   * Giving the exact error message and where it came from.

Also:

* Starting a new thread to discuss the matter, rather than replying to
an existing message deep in an existing thread, deleting the body, and
changing the Subject line before sending.

(This question, and its replies, are appearing as responses to a mail
from Michael Stone in the 'update-initramfs' thread.)

-- 
   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw



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Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

[David]

On Fri, 2023-04-14 at 14:40 +, Schwibinger Michael wrote:
> Good afternoon.
> The new printer is not  working.
> EPSON is saying
> You cant use EPSON with Linux.

It depends on which printer you are using?
It sounds like the person you are talking to at Epson doesn't know what
he/she's talking about.
Epson supply many Linux drivers for their printers on their site.
I have a WF-C5290 which works just fine that way.
Cheers!