Re: Followup to my last...
Hi, On 2022-01-18 02:29, R. Toby Richards wrote: > I'm installing Debian 11. The installer says that it is missing firmware > files: b43/ucode11.fw, b43/ucode11.fw, b43-open/ucode11.fw and > b43-open/ucode.fw. If you have such media available now, insert it, and > continue. > > I downloaded the dang unofficial DVD ISO that supposedly has non-free > binaries, but the installer won't accept that media as having the > Broadcom drivers that I need. Sneakernet doesn't work because every > iteration of the ISO that I try has no working dpkg. I cannot dpkg the > stuff I need for dpkg to work if dpkg is not working. > > I appreciate your stance on non-free binaries, but at least throw me a > bone on the unofficial ISO files. > Making fast connection between different unrelated concept doesn't help both yourself in understanding of the situation AND yourself getting helped out (as no one seem to willing to help a mad men, risking of getting bitten). I have a laptop who's totally off Internet and have a local repository on hard drive to do my install, so the question about dpkg "not-working" is odd at least, ridiculous at most. Have you tried something like using the 1st DVD of the distribution, install your system (will give you a bare system), you can also use the live DVD (Gnome/KDE/LXDE/XFCE) and install this as your base system. Then use a local repository on a HD. I can install my whole system without Internet connection. This is the first part of my answer (before you write back that I don't touch your networking problem). Yes it's possible you try to install a package and it says "you need Z package as dependencies". So you simply use your two feet and get the package, do the install. Once dependencies are solved, you package that was in a "uninstalled" state will get installed and it's script run. Seems like you got confused between dpkg and apt-get (and even apt itself). The dpkg software has no reliance whatsoever on networking and if my memory's good, it doesn't even use any networking code. Regarding the bone you are looking for... Life's not binary as in : It's free so you can share it as you like It's not free, can't share and that's so bad There's what's called distribution clause. If you look at debian packages for the google android sdk, their size is 11mb for the android-sdk-platform-23 package. Did the brave Debian developer were able to do magic and squeeze it all inside a 11mb package size ? Even if those guys are some of the best programmer in the world, the answer is : NO ! And even if they would have been able, they couldn't ! Why ? Because Google prohibit third parties from distributing Android SDK. So they build a set of script that will get what's needed from the server and install it for you. Something similar also goes on with some game packager where the game engine is GPL'd but not the game media / data file. And now for your answer... This seem to be the case with you device (and some other devices too). It probably need a firmware binary blob that will be extracted from a Windows driver package or something similar. If you find another Linux distro who support your device out of the box, I'd be really surprised and would love to get the link so I can see how they work around this problem. On a last note, you ain't the only one who is using a machine off of Internet access, so your insolvable "pseudo catch 22" is something that was already calculated for and taken into account from the start. I'd remind you that Debian started at a time where not every computer had Internet access and all the tools for installing from local media are still available. A great tool you can discover is called debmirror. Another thing you can do is a hunger strike against Broadcom, this will be much more useful over blaming the choice of licensing made by Debian team. Hope this get you out of the woods... Sincerely, > -- > > _R. Toby Richards_ > > > -- Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside -Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Followup to my last...
On 1/18/22, Nicolas George wrote: > didier gaumet (12022-01-18): >> If you do not have internet (ethernet) during install, then follow these >> steps: >> http://linuxwireless.sipsolutions.net/en/users/Drivers/b43/#Device_firmware_installation > > Looks complicated. > > Just run "apt-get install", make not of the URLs that fail to download, > download them from somewhere else and use a USB stick or something to > transfer. That's what I was thinking I'd seen suggested here before, too. I did a quick "apt-cache search" for the bcm43 that Didier mentioned because I remember encountering that in the past. This limited list came back so it's here in whole: b43-fwcutter - utility for extracting Broadcom 43xx firmware firmware-b43-installer - firmware installer for the b43 driver firmware-b43legacy-installer - firmware installer for the b43legacy driver broadcom-sta-common - Common files for the Broadcom STA Wireless driver broadcom-sta-dkms - dkms source for the Broadcom STA Wireless driver broadcom-sta-source - Source for the Broadcom STA Wireless driver firmware-brcm80211 - Binary firmware for Broadcom/Cypress 802.11 wireless cards Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with birdseed *
Re: Followup to my last...
On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 11:29:12PM -0800, R. Toby Richards wrote: > I'm installing Debian 11. The installer says that it is missing firmware > files: b43/ucode11.fw, b43/ucode11.fw, b43-open/ucode11.fw and > b43-open/ucode.fw. If you have such media available now, insert it, and > continue. You've shown b43/ucode11.fw twice, but let's skip that for now. None of the files you show here are present in any packages in Debian, according to https://packages.debian.org/. This particular device looks like it's a special case, where Debian isn't allowed to distribute the firmware directly, not even in non-free. Have a look at the firmware-b43-installer package: https://packages.debian.org/stretch/firmware-b43-installer Rather than providing the firmware themselves, Debian have created this package that will download the firmware from ... somewhere ... and package it up for you. Obviously, in order for this to work on a single machine, you'll need a different means of accessing the Internet from that machine (e.g. a wired ethernet connection). If you dislike this situation, take it up with Broadcom. Presumably it's their license on the firmware that's causing your distress.
Re: Followup to my last...
didier gaumet (12022-01-18): > If you do not have internet (ethernet) during install, then follow these > steps: > http://linuxwireless.sipsolutions.net/en/users/Drivers/b43/#Device_firmware_installation Looks complicated. Just run "apt-get install", make not of the URLs that fail to download, download them from somewhere else and use a USB stick or something to transfer. Regards, -- Nicolas George signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Followup to my last...
Le mardi 18 janvier 2022 à 09:22 +, piorunz a écrit : [...] > I suggest go to this link below and read about > Broadcom install procedures: > https://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx Hello, I have had bcm43xx chipsets in the past. Broadcom has/had a particularly limitative policy about distributing binaries, and albeit Debian not distributing firmwares by default (offical releases), at the time installing other distros (Fedora,...) with bcm43xx chipsets was even more tedious than Debian, even if these distros distribute firmwares... I would concur with Piorunz: follow the steps detailed by the wiki: https://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx If you do not have internet (ethernet) during install, then follow these steps: http://linuxwireless.sipsolutions.net/en/users/Drivers/b43/#Device_firmware_installation
Re: Followup to my last...
On 18/01/2022 07:29, R. Toby Richards wrote: I'm installing Debian 11. The installer says that it is missing firmware files: b43/ucode11.fw, b43/ucode11.fw, b43-open/ucode11.fw and b43-open/ucode.fw. If you have such media available now, insert it, and continue. I downloaded the dang unofficial DVD ISO that supposedly has non-free binaries, but the installer won't accept that media as having the Broadcom drivers that I need. You not supposed to give official installer ISO with unofficial installer as source of files it needs. You either: 1) *install* from unofficial installer directly, 2) install from official installer, but you need to download appropriate .deb files, unpack them, put them on USB stick and give it to official installer. It works, I tried it. I never needed unofficial thanks to that. That being said, I don't have this WiFi module and I don't want to give incorrect advice, I suggest go to this link below and read about Broadcom install procedures: https://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx -- With kindest regards, Piotr. ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org/ ⠈⠳⣄
Re: Followup to my last...
On 18/1/22 18:29, R. Toby Richards wrote: I'm installing Debian 11. The installer says that it is missing firmware files: b43/ucode11.fw, b43/ucode11.fw, b43-open/ucode11.fw and b43-open/ucode.fw. If you have such media available now, insert it, and continue. I downloaded the dang unofficial DVD ISO that supposedly has non-free binaries, but the installer won't accept that media as having the Broadcom drivers that I need. Sneakernet doesn't work because every iteration of the ISO that I try has no working dpkg. I cannot dpkg the stuff I need for dpkg to work if dpkg is not working. I appreciate your stance on non-free binaries, but at least throw me a bone on the unofficial ISO files. -- _R. Toby Richards_ Good afternoon Toby Just a quick response Please advise the full name of your install .iso And output of command lspci at least the network controllers I've used b43 firmware in the past and it worked; but that macbook died about 5 years ago, so no recent knowledge -- All the best Keith Bainbridge keithrbaugro...@gmail.com
Re: Followup to my last posting
Raj Kiran Grandhi wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/18/07 09:59, Raj Kiran Grandhi wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/18/07 04:20, David Fox wrote: Please give such files a .txt suffix so that Tbird knows what to do with them. I wish thunderbird and iceweasel are smart enough to just pretend the file is text and display it. It is annoying to have to save a file and open it in some text editor just to view its contents when there is no reason a browser cannot just display it :( MS Windows is (in this one instance...) polite enough to ask you which app you'd like to open the file with. If I remember correctly, the ancient netscape used to display anything that is thrown at at. You had to press shift while clicking on a link to be prompted to save it. Probably that was classified as a bug and fixed, but I really miss that feature. Many times, even if the mime type is explicitly specified, iceweasel throws up the save dialog for simple things like a python script, or some other code snippet, when all I want to do is have a look at it and be done. I hope someone comes up with an extension/plugin that provides this feature. second that. Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Followup to my last posting
Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/18/07 04:20, David Fox wrote: Please give such files a .txt suffix so that Tbird knows what to do with them. I wish thunderbird and iceweasel are smart enough to just pretend the file is text and display it. It is annoying to have to save a file and open it in some text editor just to view its contents when there is no reason a browser cannot just display it :( -- Raj Kiran Grandhi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Followup to my last posting
On Sun, Nov 18, 2007 at 03:29:51PM +0530, Raj Kiran Grandhi wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 11/18/07 04:20, David Fox wrote: Please give such files a .txt suffix so that Tbird knows what to do with them. I wish thunderbird and iceweasel are smart enough to just pretend the file is text and display it. It is annoying to have to save a file and open it in some text editor just to view its contents when there is no reason a browser cannot just display it :( Yeah, well, mutt isn't either. If I get an email that is just attachments that mutt won't display, I delete it. It may be annoying, but the code of conduct says to send plain text only. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Followup to my last posting
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/18/07 09:59, Raj Kiran Grandhi wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/18/07 04:20, David Fox wrote: Please give such files a .txt suffix so that Tbird knows what to do with them. I wish thunderbird and iceweasel are smart enough to just pretend the file is text and display it. It is annoying to have to save a file and open it in some text editor just to view its contents when there is no reason a browser cannot just display it :( MS Windows is (in this one instance...) polite enough to ask you which app you'd like to open the file with. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA %SYSTEM-F-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eels -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHQD4BS9HxQb37XmcRAuEMAJ0T+43yaA2VBuO5nig9QaNAI8Ws+ACgsENt jduuJ/OqVq2KAfw5CBbP5oI= =557m -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Followup to my last posting
Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/18/07 09:59, Raj Kiran Grandhi wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/18/07 04:20, David Fox wrote: Please give such files a .txt suffix so that Tbird knows what to do with them. I wish thunderbird and iceweasel are smart enough to just pretend the file is text and display it. It is annoying to have to save a file and open it in some text editor just to view its contents when there is no reason a browser cannot just display it :( MS Windows is (in this one instance...) polite enough to ask you which app you'd like to open the file with. If I remember correctly, the ancient netscape used to display anything that is thrown at at. You had to press shift while clicking on a link to be prompted to save it. Probably that was classified as a bug and fixed, but I really miss that feature. Many times, even if the mime type is explicitly specified, iceweasel throws up the save dialog for simple things like a python script, or some other code snippet, when all I want to do is have a look at it and be done. I hope someone comes up with an extension/plugin that provides this feature. -- Raj Kiran Grandhi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Followup to my last posting
On 11/18/07, Douglas A. Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, well, mutt isn't either. If I get an email that is just attachments that mutt won't display, I delete it. It may be annoying, but the code of conduct says to send plain text only. That's one thing I don't like about web-based mail. Even in mutt, it's sufficient to read a file right into vi if you ant to attach a file to a posting, since the posting lives on your hard drive. Or, in sylpheed, just cut paste. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Followup to my last posting
On Sun, Nov 18, 2007 at 07:51:19AM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: On Sun, Nov 18, 2007 at 03:29:51PM +0530, Raj Kiran Grandhi wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 11/18/07 04:20, David Fox wrote: Please give such files a .txt suffix so that Tbird knows what to do with them. I wish thunderbird and iceweasel are smart enough to just pretend the file is text and display it. It is annoying to have to save a file and open it in some text editor just to view its contents when there is no reason a browser cannot just display it :( Yeah, well, mutt isn't either. If I get an email that is just attachments that mutt won't display, I delete it. It may be annoying, but the code of conduct says to send plain text only. Mutt showed his logs just fine for me. (if it doesn't you can always pipe the attachment to less) Daniel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Followup to my last posting
On Sun, Nov 18, 2007 at 09:02:36AM -0800, David Fox wrote: On 11/18/07, Douglas A. Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, well, mutt isn't either. If I get an email that is just attachments that mutt won't display, I delete it. It may be annoying, but the code of conduct says to send plain text only. That's one thing I don't like about web-based mail. Even in mutt, it's sufficient to read a file right into vi if you ant to attach a file to a posting, since the posting lives on your hard drive. Or, in sylpheed, just cut paste. If your web-based mail won't allow you to follow the code of conduct, then don't use it. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Followup to my last posting
On Sun, Nov 18, 2007 at 07:51:19AM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Sun, Nov 18, 2007 at 03:29:51PM +0530, Raj Kiran Grandhi wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 11/18/07 04:20, David Fox wrote: Please give such files a .txt suffix so that Tbird knows what to do with them. I wish thunderbird and iceweasel are smart enough to just pretend the file is text and display it. It is annoying to have to save a file and open it in some text editor just to view its contents when there is no reason a browser cannot just display it :( Yeah, well, mutt isn't either. If I get an email that is just attachments that mutt won't display, I delete it. It may be annoying, but the code of conduct says to send plain text only. If you press v and then Enter on the selected attachment it will be displayed as text. Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Followup to my last posting
On Sun, Nov 18, 2007 at 07:32:02PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Sun, Nov 18, 2007 at 07:51:19AM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Sun, Nov 18, 2007 at 03:29:51PM +0530, Raj Kiran Grandhi wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 11/18/07 04:20, David Fox wrote: Please give such files a .txt suffix so that Tbird knows what to do with them. I wish thunderbird and iceweasel are smart enough to just pretend the file is text and display it. It is annoying to have to save a file and open it in some text editor just to view its contents when there is no reason a browser cannot just display it :( Yeah, well, mutt isn't either. If I get an email that is just attachments that mutt won't display, I delete it. It may be annoying, but the code of conduct says to send plain text only. If you press v and then Enter on the selected attachment it will be displayed as text. I know that. I can do that too to read html (get lynx). However, there was not cover text saying look at the (whatever) attached or something. It was just a series of attachments that didn't come up as plain text. How am I to differentiate this from all the spam on the list without opening at least one attachment from every piece of junk? The code of conduct says to send as plain text and to avoid sending large attachements. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Followup to my last posting
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/18/07 04:20, David Fox wrote: Please give such files a .txt suffix so that Tbird knows what to do with them. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA %SYSTEM-F-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eels -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHP8AIS9HxQb37XmcRAtlOAKC+qNEZuvpHdGF1yp9gb5HN6DZPQQCdEX/c YQoeEnHe93cB/SXK1Q+J/EE= =pcjN -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
