Re: Fresh Debian Install w/o Exim?
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 12:26:22AM -0400, Celejar wrote: aptitude remove exim4 aptitude install postfix should do it (if you want to install postfix). One MTA conflicts with the other and removes its packages. You may, exceptionally, need to dpkg --purge the exim4 components and there's no guarantee that there wont be something hard coded to expect exim _somewhere_ but the above has worked for me. All best, -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100328085628.ga8...@galactic.demon.co.uk
Re: Fresh Debian Install w/o Exim?
On 2010-03-28 10:56 +0200, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 12:26:22AM -0400, Celejar wrote: aptitude remove exim4 aptitude install postfix should do it (if you want to install postfix). One MTA conflicts with the other and removes its packages. Better use aptitude install postfix or aptitude install postfix exim4- instead. Your above sequence will remove any package that depends on an MTA which is probably not what you want. You may, exceptionally, need to dpkg --purge the exim4 components and there's no guarantee that there wont be something hard coded to expect exim _somewhere_ but the above has worked for me. Any such package would be RC-buggy, but fortunately almost everyone uses just the sendmail interface which is provided by any MTA. Sven -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/878w9cq042@turtle.gmx.de
Re: Fresh Debian Install w/o Exim?
exim4 is a MTA , xmail is also MTA , the system alows only one MTA , so aptitude resolves this conflict by purging exim4 Rogerio 2010/3/28 Celejar cele...@gmail.com [Message rearranged.] On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 23:45:53 -0300 Rogerio Luz Coelho rogluz.n...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/3/27 Rogerio Luz Coelho rogluz.n...@gmail.com ... I do this to purge exim4 and ev erything it stands for # aptitude install xdm ;) SORRY !!! It´s #aptitude install xmail ... How will that purge anything related to exim? Celejar -- foffl.sourceforge.net - Feeds OFFLine, an offline RSS/Atom aggregator mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100328002622.646952e6.cele...@gmail.com
Re: Fresh Debian Install w/o Exim?
[Please don't top post.] On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 10:59:39 -0300 Rogerio Luz Coelho rogluz.n...@gmail.com wrote: exim4 is a MTA , xmail is also MTA , the system alows only one MTA , so aptitude resolves this conflict by purging exim4 You're missing the point - I know that your aptitude command will *remove* exim4, but it won't *purge* it. 2010/3/28 Celejar cele...@gmail.com [Message rearranged.] On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 23:45:53 -0300 Rogerio Luz Coelho rogluz.n...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/3/27 Rogerio Luz Coelho rogluz.n...@gmail.com ... I do this to purge exim4 and ev erything it stands for # aptitude install xdm ;) SORRY !!! It´s #aptitude install xmail ... How will that purge anything related to exim? Celejar -- foffl.sourceforge.net - Feeds OFFLine, an offline RSS/Atom aggregator mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100328002622.646952e6.cele...@gmail.com Celejar -- foffl.sourceforge.net - Feeds OFFLine, an offline RSS/Atom aggregator mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100328102430.664f4f68.cele...@gmail.com
Re: Fresh Debian Install w/o Exim?
On Sunday 28 March 2010 15:24:30 Celejar wrote: On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 10:59:39 -0300 Rogerio Luz Coelho rogluz.n...@gmail.com wrote: exim4 is a MTA , xmail is also MTA , the system alows only one MTA , so aptitude resolves this conflict by purging exim4 You're missing the point - I know that your aptitude command will *remove* exim4, but it won't *purge* it. I use Nullmailer, and it removes several dependencies of Exim4, not just Exim4 itself. There are probably some config files somewhere that are not removed, but I have an 80GB disk which currently contains only the BR and /, no data, so I am not heartbroken. I am not doing it to clear space, but to stop boot up getting slowed down by Exim4. Others' no doubt have other motivations. So I agree with you, Celejar, that Exim is probably not purged - I don't mind, so I haven't actually checked! Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201003281552.49115.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Fresh Debian Install w/o Exim?
Just do a 2010/3/3 Brian Ryans brian.l.ry...@gmail.com Quoting Carlos Williams on 2010-03-02 09:28:13: I thought I was purging the package, no? #apt-get remove --purge exim4 I do this to purge exim4 and ev erything it stands for # aptitude install xdm ;) Rogerio
Re: Fresh Debian Install w/o Exim?
SORRY !!! It´s #aptitude install xmail ... 2010/3/27 Rogerio Luz Coelho rogluz.n...@gmail.com Just do a 2010/3/3 Brian Ryans brian.l.ry...@gmail.com Quoting Carlos Williams on 2010-03-02 09:28:13: I thought I was purging the package, no? #apt-get remove --purge exim4 I do this to purge exim4 and ev erything it stands for # aptitude install xdm ;) Rogerio
Re: Fresh Debian Install w/o Exim?
[Message rearranged.] On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 23:45:53 -0300 Rogerio Luz Coelho rogluz.n...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/3/27 Rogerio Luz Coelho rogluz.n...@gmail.com ... I do this to purge exim4 and ev erything it stands for # aptitude install xdm ;) SORRY !!! It´s #aptitude install xmail ... How will that purge anything related to exim? Celejar -- foffl.sourceforge.net - Feeds OFFLine, an offline RSS/Atom aggregator mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100328002622.646952e6.cele...@gmail.com
Re: Fresh Debian Install w/o Exim?
Quoting Carlos Williams on 2010-03-02 09:28:13: I thought I was purging the package, no? #apt-get remove --purge exim4 As implied by Boyd in a sibling post, the package 'exim4' is what's termed a metapackage, a package whose only role is to pull in other packages via Depends. The package management toolchain doesn't assume you also want to purge the packages exim4 depends on. As It Should Be, IMHO. You can see this easily if you have package 'debtags' installed. In the description pane, you can see the package tags, one of which is role::metapackage. Probably the most succinct definition is in aptitude, actually. Start a new debtags browser view, and select role::metapackage. One of the References should have more information. I don't remember if it's the user or developer reference though -- no net access as I write this mail. -- _ Brian Ryans 8B2A 54C4 E275 8CFD 8A7D 5D0B 0AD0 B014 C112 13D0 . ( ) ICQ UIN: 43190205 | Mail/MSN/Jabber: brianlry...@gmail.com ..: X ASCII Ribbon Campaign Against HTML mail and v-cards: asciiribbon.org / \ Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Fresh Debian Install w/o Exim?
On Tue, 2 Mar 2010 09:54:51 -0500, Carlos Williams carlosw...@gmail.com wrote: /usr/share/vim/vim72/syntax/exim.vim That's not an exim file - it's part of vim-runtime package. /var/cache/apt/archives/exim4-base_4.71-3_amd64.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/exim4-config_4.71-3_all.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/exim4-daemon-light_4.71-3_amd64.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/exim4_4.71-3_all.deb Installation packages. Will be removed, if you run apt-get clean /var/log/exim4 /var/log/exim4/mainlog Logs are never removed by uninstalling packages. -- Virgo Pärna virgo.pa...@mail.ee -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/slrnhp05sb.4op.virgo.pa...@dragon.gaiasoft.ee
Re: Fresh Debian Install w/o Exim?
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. put forth on 3/2/2010 1:21 AM: In 4b8c7c66.6070...@hardwarefreak.com, Stan Hoeppner wrote: it auto removes Exim4 however still leaves all the orphaned files and junk.* I'm not convinced this is a statement of fact, but depending on how the installer does things it could be accurate. Take this for what it's worth: On my Swiss Army Knife server, I installed Sarge fresh in 2006 using a compact net install from boot floppies. After the base install was complete, I installed Postfix via apt-get. I don't recall doing any manual removal of Exim. I've upgraded the system in place all the way to Lenny, over a 4 year period. I currently have the following related to Exim: ~$ locate exim /etc/cron.d/exim /etc/cron.daily/exim /etc/init.d/exim /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/exim /etc/rc0.d/K20exim /etc/rc1.d/K20exim /etc/rc4.d/S20exim /etc/rc5.d/S20exim /etc/rc6.d/K20exim /usr/share/doc/postgrey/README.exim /usr/share/wwwconfig-common/exim-trust.sh /var/cache/apt/archives/exim_3.36-18.2_i386.deb /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim.list /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim.postrm /var/log/exim /var/run/exim Most of those should be cleaned up by a purge of all the exim packages. In particular all the init scripts, the dpkg data, and probably the cron jobs. This is probably a result of me installing postfix without uninstalling exim first. It's surprising that the apt scripts that installed postfix and removed exim left all this other stuff which can't possibly work now without that exim binary being present. -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4b8cc633.7090...@hardwarefreak.com
Re: Fresh Debian Install w/o Exim?
On Tuesday 02 March 2010 00:32:10 Carlos Williams wrote: On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 5:59 PM, Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: I use nullmailer in these situations +1 Installing nullmailer will remove exim for you. I am sorry but I don't understand what you mean by 'install nullmailer'. Is this something I install before I begin the 'netinst' installation of Squeeze on my server? Is there an article that will help me achieve this? type aptitude install nullmailer in a root konsole. Press enter. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201003020827.17876.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Fresh Debian Install w/o Exim?
On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 3:27 AM, Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: type aptitude install nullmailer in a root konsole. Press enter. Lisi Yes I understand now but as I stated before that installing Postfix, Sendmail, or any other alternative MTA has no impact on the real problem at hand. What ever MTA you choose to install, APT auto removes Exim but leaves tons of files and directories behind. For some this is no big deal but when you're an OCD Linux administrator, any rogue or orphaned files like this drive you crazy. If you did any kind of install, Exim is installed and when you attempt to install any alternative MTA, APT will auto remove Exim but leaves you with clutter. Also if you decide to 1st manually remove Exim from Debian using the '--purge' option, it still leaves behind all this mess. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/d80f793f1003020517p324a9c7au1df9e9130814f...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Fresh Debian Install w/o Exim?
On 2010-03-02 14:17 +0100, Carlos Williams wrote: Yes I understand now but as I stated before that installing Postfix, Sendmail, or any other alternative MTA has no impact on the real problem at hand. What ever MTA you choose to install, APT auto removes Exim but leaves tons of files and directories behind. For some this is no big deal but when you're an OCD Linux administrator, any rogue or orphaned files like this drive you crazy. What does OCD mean? If you did any kind of install, Exim is installed and when you attempt to install any alternative MTA, APT will auto remove Exim but leaves you with clutter. Also if you decide to 1st manually remove Exim from Debian using the '--purge' option, it still leaves behind all this mess. Please elaborate. Which files are left? Sven -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/874okyyf8e@turtle.gmx.de
Re: Fresh Debian Install w/o Exim?
On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de wrote: On 2010-03-02 14:17 +0100, Carlos Williams wrote: Yes I understand now but as I stated before that installing Postfix, Sendmail, or any other alternative MTA has no impact on the real problem at hand. What ever MTA you choose to install, APT auto removes Exim but leaves tons of files and directories behind. For some this is no big deal but when you're an OCD Linux administrator, any rogue or orphaned files like this drive you crazy. What does OCD mean? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OCD Obsessive–compulsive disorder (OCD) is a mental disorder characterized by intrusive thoughts that produce anxiety, by repetitive behaviors aimed at reducing anxiety, or by combinations of such thoughts (obsessions) and behaviors (compulsions). -- Jordan Metzmeier -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/50e5edd51003020626i765568f0vea7deb06f31ed...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Fresh Debian Install w/o Exim?
On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de wrote: Please elaborate. Which files are left? Sven If you remove Exim manually using apt-get --purge exim4 or if you install an alternative MTA and the package manager uninstalls Exim, either way you're left with this much mess that doesn't include the user accounts and groups: r...@mail:~# locate exim /etc/cron.daily/exim4-base /etc/default/exim4 /etc/init.d/exim4 /etc/logrotate.d/exim4-base /etc/logrotate.d/exim4-paniclog /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/exim4 /etc/rc0.d/K01exim4 /etc/rc1.d/K01exim4 /etc/rc2.d/S02exim4 /etc/rc3.d/S02exim4 /etc/rc4.d/S02exim4 /etc/rc5.d/S02exim4 /etc/rc6.d/K01exim4 /usr/share/vim/vim72/syntax/exim.vim /var/cache/apt/archives/exim4-base_4.71-3_amd64.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/exim4-config_4.71-3_all.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/exim4-daemon-light_4.71-3_amd64.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/exim4_4.71-3_all.deb /var/lib/exim4 /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-base.list /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-base.postrm /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-config.list /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-config.postrm /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-daemon-light.list /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-daemon-light.postrm /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4.list /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4.postrm /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated /var/lib/update-rc.d/exim4 /var/log/exim4 /var/log/exim4/mainlog /var/run/exim4 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/d80f793f1003020654t52e4bcecyfc571d488e074...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Fresh Debian Install w/o Exim?
In 4b8cc633.7090...@hardwarefreak.com, Stan Hoeppner wrote: Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. put forth on 3/2/2010 1:21 AM: In 4b8c7c66.6070...@hardwarefreak.com, Stan Hoeppner wrote: it auto removes Exim4 however still leaves all the orphaned files and junk.* I'm not convinced this is a statement of fact, but depending on how the installer does things it could be accurate. I don't recall doing any manual removal of Exim. I've upgraded the system in place all the way to Lenny, over a 4 year period. Most of those should be cleaned up by a purge of all the exim packages. In particular all the init scripts, the dpkg data, and probably the cron jobs. This is probably a result of me installing postfix without uninstalling exim first. It's surprising that the apt scripts that installed postfix and removed exim left all this other stuff which can't possibly work now without that exim binary being present. It's nothing to do with the order your installed packages. It is the difference between removed and purged. Confiles -- files where changes by the local administrator are preserved when upgrading -- are kept after removal. While this category covers files that are just configuration, it also covers init scripts and cron jobs. Confiles are not deleted when the program is removed -- so the configuration is preserved if this is just a temporary removal (required for some complex upgrades). Confiles are deleted when the package is purged. Files that are created by the program at run-time, like logs, databases, and documents aren't tracked by the package management system, so they must be deleted manually if you want to get rid of them. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Fresh Debian Install w/o Exim?
On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net wrote: It's nothing to do with the order your installed packages. It is the difference between removed and purged. Confiles -- files where changes by the local administrator are preserved when upgrading -- are kept after removal. While this category covers files that are just configuration, it also covers init scripts and cron jobs. Confiles are not deleted when the program is removed -- so the configuration is preserved if this is just a temporary removal (required for some complex upgrades). Confiles are deleted when the package is purged. I thought I was purging the package, no? #apt-get remove --purge exim4 Files that are created by the program at run-time, like logs, databases, and documents aren't tracked by the package management system, so they must be deleted manually if you want to get rid of them. Makes sense. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/d80f793f1003020728q1c15a3bt33e7e780b3dc1...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Fresh Debian Install w/o Exim?
On Tue, 2 Mar 2010 09:54:51 -0500 (EST), Carlos Williams wrote: If you remove Exim manually using apt-get --purge exim4 or if you install an alternative MTA and the package manager uninstalls Exim, either way you're left with this much mess that doesn't include the user accounts and groups: r...@mail:~# locate exim /etc/cron.daily/exim4-base /etc/default/exim4 /etc/init.d/exim4 /etc/logrotate.d/exim4-base /etc/logrotate.d/exim4-paniclog /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/exim4 /etc/rc0.d/K01exim4 /etc/rc1.d/K01exim4 /etc/rc2.d/S02exim4 /etc/rc3.d/S02exim4 /etc/rc4.d/S02exim4 /etc/rc5.d/S02exim4 /etc/rc6.d/K01exim4 /usr/share/vim/vim72/syntax/exim.vim /var/cache/apt/archives/exim4-base_4.71-3_amd64.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/exim4-config_4.71-3_all.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/exim4-daemon-light_4.71-3_amd64.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/exim4_4.71-3_all.deb /var/lib/exim4 /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-base.list /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-base.postrm /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-config.list /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-config.postrm /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-daemon-light.list /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-daemon-light.postrm /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4.list /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4.postrm /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated /var/lib/update-rc.d/exim4 /var/log/exim4 /var/log/exim4/mainlog /var/run/exim4 Is the exim4 daemon still running? Try this (as root): # /etc/init.d/exim4 stop # aptitude purge exim4 Maybe there are files that can't be purged if the daemon is still running. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/957472268.16148721267543703196.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Fresh Debian Install w/o Exim?
On Tuesday 02 March 2010 13:17:27 Carlos Williams wrote: On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 3:27 AM, Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: type aptitude install nullmailer in a root konsole. Press enter. Lisi Yes I understand now but as I stated before that installing Postfix, Sendmail, or any other alternative MTA has no impact on the real problem at hand. What ever MTA you choose to install, APT auto removes Exim but leaves tons of files and directories behind. For some this is no big deal but when you're an OCD Linux administrator, any rogue or orphaned files like this drive you crazy. If you did any kind of install, Exim is installed and when you attempt to install any alternative MTA, APT will auto remove Exim but leaves you with clutter. Also if you decide to 1st manually remove Exim from Debian using the '--purge' option, it still leaves behind all this mess. You could always reinstall choosing the most basic system, than carefully choose only the applications you actually want ands install them one by one. And you could do aptitude -s before actually installing anything, so things won't get pulled in that you would rather not have! You ought then to be able to have a system pure/clean enough to gladden the heart of the most C of OCD Linux administrators. ;-) Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201003021539.00904.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Fresh Debian Install w/o Exim?
On Mon, Mar 01, 2010 at 02:59:23PM -0500, Carlos Williams wrote: I am trying to install Debian (Testing) via 'netinst' disk and for some reason am completely unable to install Debian w/o Exim. It appears that Cron is a default package and depends on Exim. Does anyone know how I can completely omit this from a fresh Debian install? When I run: It's been a while since I've used the installer (I preseed my installations at the office), but isn't there a point in expert mode where you can select individual packages? Could you select 'postfix' and unselect 'exim4' at that point? Or is that after the base system install? Cheers, -- Eric Gerlach, Network Administrator Federation of Students University of Waterloo p: (519) 888-4567 x36329 e: egerl...@feds.uwaterloo.ca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100302154115.gr24...@wks0082
Re: Fresh Debian Install w/o Exim?
In d80f793f1003020728q1c15a3bt33e7e780b3dc1...@mail.gmail.com, Carlos Williams wrote: On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net wrote: It's nothing to do with the order your installed packages. It is the difference between removed and purged. Confiles -- files where changes by the local administrator are preserved when upgrading -- are kept after removal. While this category covers files that are just configuration, it also covers init scripts and cron jobs. Confiles are not deleted when the program is removed -- so the configuration is preserved if this is just a temporary removal (required for some complex upgrades). Confiles are deleted when the package is purged. I thought I was purging the package, no? #apt-get remove --purge exim4 See my earlier reply on why this might not get all the exim files. Summary: Most of the files aren't in a package called exim4. Use (aptitude search '~c') to see programs in the Configured state -- removed but not purged. Use (aptitude purge '~c') to remove those confiles. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Fresh Debian Install w/o Exim?
On 2010-03-02 15:54 +0100, Carlos Williams wrote:
If you remove Exim manually using apt-get --purge exim4 or if you
install an alternative MTA and the package manager uninstalls Exim,
either way you're left with this much mess that doesn't include the
user accounts and groups:
r...@mail:~# locate exim
[snip]
/var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-base.list
/var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-base.postrm
/var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-config.list
/var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-config.postrm
/var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-daemon-light.list
/var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-daemon-light.postrm
/var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4.list
/var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4.postrm
Well, you did *not* purge the exim4 packages if these files exist.
Run dpkg --purge exim4{,-base,-config,-daemon-light} and see if
anything is left then.
Sven
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Re: Fresh Debian Install w/o Exim?
On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 09:54:51AM -0500, Carlos Williams wrote: On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de wrote: Please elaborate. Which files are left? Sven If you remove Exim manually using apt-get --purge exim4 or if you install an alternative MTA and the package manager uninstalls Exim, either way you're left with this much mess that doesn't include the user accounts and groups: The command you ran was not apt-get --purge exim4 but (from your original post) apt-get remove --purge exim4. Is there any chance apt-get invoked remove and ignored purge? -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Fresh Debian Install w/o Exim?
On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net wrote: The command you ran was not apt-get --purge exim4 but (from your original post) apt-get remove --purge exim4. Is there any chance apt-get invoked remove and ignored purge? I just got everything sorted out. If I run: # apt-get remove --purge exim4* This purges a bunch more. I think thats the best I am going to get on Debian...until we have the choice to omit specific packages. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/d80f793f1003021031o778e71fav9ec53faae65c4...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Fresh Debian Install w/o Exim?
Carlos Williams writes: This purges a bunch more. I think thats the best I am going to get on Debian...until we have the choice to omit specific packages. You do have that choice. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87tysyczt4@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: Fresh Debian Install w/o Exim?
You could always reinstall choosing the most basic system, [...] I believe the base system (not the standard system task) pulled by the d-i currently installs exim as a Recommends dependency to cron. Only way would be preseeds or plain debootstrap, I think. -thib -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4b8db9b2.2050...@stammed.net
Re: Fresh Debian Install w/o Exim?
On Mon, Mar 01, 2010 at 02:59:23PM -0500, Carlos Williams wrote: I am trying to install Debian (Testing) via 'netinst' disk and for some reason am completely unable to install Debian w/o Exim. It appears that Cron is a default package and depends on Exim. Does anyone know how I can completely omit this from a fresh Debian install? When I run: apt-get remove --purge exim4 I am still left with tons of man pages, config files, user accounts (Debian-exim) for the application I just removed. Basically I am left with a bunch if orphaned junk files for an application I never wanted to have installed to begin with. Any advice? I use nullmailer in these situations *PS - I am trying to use Postfix for a replacement MTA and even when I install Postfix, it auto removes Exim4 however still leaves all the orphaned files and junk.* could this be because you have removed and not purged the package ? -- We need to counter the shockwave of the evildoer by having individual rate cuts accelerated and by thinking about tax rebates. - George W. Bush 10/04/2001 Washington, DC signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Fresh Debian Install w/o Exim?
On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 07:01:36AM +1100, Alex Samad wrote: On Mon, Mar 01, 2010 at 02:59:23PM -0500, Carlos Williams wrote: [snip] apt-get remove --purge exim4 [snip] could this be because you have removed and not purged the package ? I seemed to have missed the --purge above when I wrote this please ignore :) -- You forgot Poland. - George W. Bush 09/30/2004 Miami, FL to Sen. John Kerry during the first presidential debate, after Kerry failed to mention Poland's contributions to the Iraq war coalition signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Fresh Debian Install w/o Exim?
On Monday 01 March 2010 13:59:23 Carlos Williams wrote: I am trying to install Debian (Testing) via 'netinst' disk and for some reason am completely unable to install Debian w/o Exim. It appears that Cron is a default package and depends on Exim. Or any other mail-transport-daemon. Does anyone know how I can completely omit this from a fresh Debian install? I think installing postfix at the same time or before cron should do it. I usually install a very minimal system and them build up from there outside of the installer. I can't remember if this brought in exim4-daemon-light. When I run: apt-get remove --purge exim4 I'm not sure exactly how apt-get handles this situation, but the exim4 package doesn't contain most of the files that are part of an exim4 installation. The binaries are shipped in package exim4-daemon-light or exim4-daemon-heavy; the docs are in another package; the debconf stuff is in exim4-config. So, even though you specified 'remove' and '--purge', I'm not convinced you've told your package manager to get rid of all files exim4-related. I am still left with tons of man pages, config files, user accounts (Debian-exim) for the application I just removed. Basically I am left with a bunch if orphaned junk files for an application I never wanted to have installed to begin with. IIRC, user accounts aren't removed, even on purge. Something do to with not wanting the have the UID get reused by an unrelated program. I could be wrong though, e.g. if that UID (range) is statically allocated by Debian. Any advice? After installing an alternate mail-transport-agent (aptitude search '~c'). If that shows any packages, you may want to (aptitude purge '~c'). *PS - I am trying to use Postfix for a replacement MTA and even when I install Postfix, Postfix works well in the Debian environment, or so I'm told. it auto removes Exim4 however still leaves all the orphaned files and junk.* I'm not convinced this is a statement of fact, but depending on how the installer does things it could be accurate. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Fresh Debian Install w/o Exim?
On Mon, 2010-03-01 at 14:59 -0500, Carlos Williams wrote: I am trying to install Debian (Testing) via 'netinst' disk and for some reason am completely unable to install Debian w/o Exim. [...] I am trying to use Postfix Yes. Perhaps we need a 'really expert' installation mode, where every time there's an option like (cron): Recommends: exim4 | postfix | mail-transport-agent it asks you what option you want :-) Actually it looks like preseeding may be able to help - I need to have another look later. Richard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1267475478.3746.3.ca...@topaz.wgtn.cat-it.co.nz
Re: Fresh Debian Install w/o Exim?
On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Carlos Williams carlosw...@gmail.com wrote: I am trying to install Debian (Testing) via 'netinst' disk and for some reason am completely unable to install Debian w/o Exim. It appears that Cron is a default package and depends on Exim. Does anyone know how I can completely omit this from a fresh Debian install? When I run: In Lenny (not sure if its changed as of Squeeze), its the standard system task that installs exim4. Don't install this task and install your preferred MTA after installation. -- Jordan Metzmeier -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/50e5edd51003011352w5b86a23cm66f6aac2b2...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Fresh Debian Install w/o Exim?
On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Jordan Metzmeier titan8...@gmail.com wrote: In Lenny (not sure if its changed as of Squeeze), its the standard system task that installs exim4. Don't install this task and install your preferred MTA after installation. In Squeeze if you de-select 'every' task possible during the installer, you still get Exim installed because of Cron. It needs an MTA (Exim4). After my fresh new system is up and running, I can install Postfix (which I did) and it also removes the conflicting MTA (Exim4) automatically: r...@mail:~# apt-get -y install postfix Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following extra packages will be installed: file libdb4.5 libmagic1 libsasl2-2 libsasl2-modules libsqlite3-0 mime-support openssl python python-minimal python2.5 python2.5-minimal ssl-cert Suggested packages: libsasl2-modules-otp libsasl2-modules-ldap libsasl2-modules-sql libsasl2-modules-gssapi-mit libsasl2-modules-gssapi-heimdal ca-certificates procmail postfix-mysql postfix-pgsql postfix-ldap postfix-pcre sasl2-bin resolvconf postfix-cdb mail-reader ufw python-doc python-tk python-profiler python2.5-doc binfmt-support openssl-blacklist The following packages will be REMOVED: exim4 exim4-base exim4-config exim4-daemon-light Sadly it leaves all this on my freshly installed system and who knows what else locate didn't actually find: r...@mail:~# locate exim /etc/cron.daily/exim4-base /etc/default/exim4 /etc/init.d/exim4 /etc/logrotate.d/exim4-base /etc/logrotate.d/exim4-paniclog /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/exim4 /etc/rc0.d/K01exim4 /etc/rc1.d/K01exim4 /etc/rc2.d/S02exim4 /etc/rc3.d/S02exim4 /etc/rc4.d/S02exim4 /etc/rc5.d/S02exim4 /etc/rc6.d/K01exim4 /usr/share/vim/vim72/syntax/exim.vim /var/cache/apt/archives/exim4-base_4.71-3_amd64.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/exim4-config_4.71-3_all.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/exim4-daemon-light_4.71-3_amd64.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/exim4_4.71-3_all.deb /var/lib/exim4 /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-base.list /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-base.postrm /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-config.list /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-config.postrm /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-daemon-light.list /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-daemon-light.postrm /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4.list /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4.postrm /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated /var/lib/update-rc.d/exim4 /var/log/exim4 /var/log/exim4/mainlog /var/run/exim4 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/d80f793f1003011406g4f79d70aoc34c6b8965eeb...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Fresh Debian Install w/o Exim?
On Monday 01 March 2010 20:01:36 Alex Samad wrote: On Mon, Mar 01, 2010 at 02:59:23PM -0500, Carlos Williams wrote: I am trying to install Debian (Testing) via 'netinst' disk and for some reason am completely unable to install Debian w/o Exim. It appears that Cron is a default package and depends on Exim. Does anyone know how I can completely omit this from a fresh Debian install? When I run: apt-get remove --purge exim4 I am still left with tons of man pages, config files, user accounts (Debian-exim) for the application I just removed. Basically I am left with a bunch if orphaned junk files for an application I never wanted to have installed to begin with. Any advice? I use nullmailer in these situations +1 Installing nullmailer will remove exim for you. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201003012259.14774.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Fresh Debian Install w/o Exim?
On Monday 01 March 2010 16:06:59 Carlos Williams wrote: In Squeeze if you de-select 'every' task possible during the installer, you still get Exim installed because of Cron. It needs an MTA (Exim4). After my fresh new system is up and running, I can install Postfix (which I did) and it also removes the conflicting MTA (Exim4) automatically: r...@mail:~# apt-get -y install postfix Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following extra packages will be installed: file libdb4.5 libmagic1 libsasl2-2 libsasl2-modules libsqlite3-0 mime-support openssl python python-minimal python2.5 python2.5-minimal ssl-cert Suggested packages: libsasl2-modules-otp libsasl2-modules-ldap libsasl2-modules-sql libsasl2-modules-gssapi-mit libsasl2-modules-gssapi-heimdal ca-certificates procmail postfix-mysql postfix-pgsql postfix-ldap postfix-pcre sasl2-bin resolvconf postfix-cdb mail-reader ufw python-doc python-tk python-profiler python2.5-doc binfmt-support openssl-blacklist The following packages will be REMOVED: exim4 exim4-base exim4-config exim4-daemon-light Sadly it leaves all this on my freshly installed system and who knows what else locate didn't actually find: It removed the exim4 packages, but it did not purge them. Some files from the packages will still be around. r...@mail:~# locate exim /etc/cron.daily/exim4-base /etc/default/exim4 /etc/init.d/exim4 /etc/logrotate.d/exim4-base /etc/logrotate.d/exim4-paniclog /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/exim4 /etc/rc0.d/K01exim4 /etc/rc1.d/K01exim4 /etc/rc2.d/S02exim4 /etc/rc3.d/S02exim4 /etc/rc4.d/S02exim4 /etc/rc5.d/S02exim4 /etc/rc6.d/K01exim4 /usr/share/vim/vim72/syntax/exim.vim /var/cache/apt/archives/exim4-base_4.71-3_amd64.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/exim4-config_4.71-3_all.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/exim4-daemon-light_4.71-3_amd64.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/exim4_4.71-3_all.deb /var/lib/exim4 /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-base.list /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-base.postrm /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-config.list /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-config.postrm /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-daemon-light.list /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-daemon-light.postrm /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4.list /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4.postrm /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated /var/lib/update-rc.d/exim4 /var/log/exim4 /var/log/exim4/mainlog /var/run/exim4 ...at least one of these files isn't part of any exim package, so your test is a little broken. Even after a purge, I think log files are left behind -- basically anything generated by the program at run-time will be because the package manager doesn't track it. How small does this list get after you run (aptitude purge '~c')? -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Fresh Debian Install w/o Exim?
Carlos Williams wrote: [...] Sadly it leaves all this on my freshly installed system and who knows what else locate didn't actually find: It's most probably silly, but might an instance of exim still be running? If you haven't rebooted and forgot to stop it before purging, maybe there's some sort of safety mechanism I'm probably imagining that could prevent the remaining files to be wiped immediately. See it's weird, you only have postrm dpkg hooks (necessary to complete the removal), the run directory, the variable data directory and configuration (necessary for a running instance) as well as init scripts (necessary to stop it). The rest you should remove yourself. [...] -thib -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4b8c53d2.1020...@stammed.net
Re: Fresh Debian Install w/o Exim?
On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 5:59 PM, Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: I use nullmailer in these situations +1 Installing nullmailer will remove exim for you. I am sorry but I don't understand what you mean by 'install nullmailer'. Is this something I install before I begin the 'netinst' installation of Squeeze on my server? Is there an article that will help me achieve this? Thanks! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/d80f793f1003011632y5842c2m68577bec63307...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Fresh Debian Install w/o Exim?
On Mon, 2010-03-01 at 19:32 -0500, Carlos Williams wrote: On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 5:59 PM, Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: I use nullmailer in these situations +1 Installing nullmailer will remove exim for you. I am sorry but I don't understand what you mean by 'install nullmailer'. Is this something I install before I begin the 'netinst' installation of Squeeze on my server? Is there an article that will help me achieve this? It's just another (very simple) MTA. I don't see that installing that would do anything that installing Postfix doesn't. It's the usual suggestion for those who claim not to want an MTA at all. Richard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1267491830.6803.21.ca...@topaz.wgtn.cat-it.co.nz
Re: Fresh Debian Install w/o Exim?
On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 8:03 PM, Richard Hector rich...@walnut.gen.nz wrote: It's just another (very simple) MTA. I don't see that installing that would do anything that installing Postfix doesn't. It's the usual suggestion for those who claim not to want an MTA at all. Richard Oh I see. I just tested it and regardless what MTA you install post install, I am left with tons of useless lingering Exim4 files and directories. Doesn't look to be any way around this...at least when using Debian. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/d80f793f1003011706lcceeddgd7674b37307ed...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Fresh Debian Install w/o Exim?
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. put forth on 3/1/2010 2:28 PM: Postfix works well in the Debian environment, or so I'm told. Very well indeed. I've been using it for years and the only real problem I've run into was the lack of a syslog socket in the chroot. That was fixed with Lenny/2.5.5. I've no experience with it myself, but IIRC there may be issues running Postfix multi-instance on Debian. it auto removes Exim4 however still leaves all the orphaned files and junk.* I'm not convinced this is a statement of fact, but depending on how the installer does things it could be accurate. Take this for what it's worth: On my Swiss Army Knife server, I installed Sarge fresh in 2006 using a compact net install from boot floppies. After the base install was complete, I installed Postfix via apt-get. I don't recall doing any manual removal of Exim. I've upgraded the system in place all the way to Lenny, over a 4 year period. I currently have the following related to Exim: ~$ locate exim /etc/cron.d/exim /etc/cron.daily/exim /etc/init.d/exim /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/exim /etc/rc0.d/K20exim /etc/rc1.d/K20exim /etc/rc4.d/S20exim /etc/rc5.d/S20exim /etc/rc6.d/K20exim /usr/share/doc/postgrey/README.exim /usr/share/wwwconfig-common/exim-trust.sh /var/cache/apt/archives/exim_3.36-18.2_i386.deb /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim.list /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim.postrm /var/log/exim /var/run/exim -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4b8c7c66.6070...@hardwarefreak.com
Re: Fresh Debian Install w/o Exim?
In 4b8c7c66.6070...@hardwarefreak.com, Stan Hoeppner wrote: it auto removes Exim4 however still leaves all the orphaned files and junk.* I'm not convinced this is a statement of fact, but depending on how the installer does things it could be accurate. Take this for what it's worth: On my Swiss Army Knife server, I installed Sarge fresh in 2006 using a compact net install from boot floppies. After the base install was complete, I installed Postfix via apt-get. I don't recall doing any manual removal of Exim. I've upgraded the system in place all the way to Lenny, over a 4 year period. I currently have the following related to Exim: ~$ locate exim /etc/cron.d/exim /etc/cron.daily/exim /etc/init.d/exim /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/exim /etc/rc0.d/K20exim /etc/rc1.d/K20exim /etc/rc4.d/S20exim /etc/rc5.d/S20exim /etc/rc6.d/K20exim /usr/share/doc/postgrey/README.exim /usr/share/wwwconfig-common/exim-trust.sh /var/cache/apt/archives/exim_3.36-18.2_i386.deb /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim.list /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim.postrm /var/log/exim /var/run/exim Most of those should be cleaned up by a purge of all the exim packages. In particular all the init scripts, the dpkg data, and probably the cron jobs. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
