Re: I need help with my var partition.

[songbird]

Maureen L Thomas wrote:
> Unfortunately I cannot install anything.  I used the command line and 
> the app but neither of them will work.  I have no idea what to do next.  
> I used su and sudo first.  It just keeps saying it cannot connect with 
> the base from which I get updates, etc.  I used the reinstall on brasero 
> and it just said that it was up to date.  I am so confused.

  at this point i think it is more time efficient to 
install to a new partition and then work on restoring 
the data for each main program you use.

  if you do not have good backups this is not fun, but 
it does teach a lesson to keep good backups.

  i have done a full recovery on a running system where
i accidentally deleted my entire /var but it wasn't quick
and i did have a current list of all packages installed
so i could reinstall each of them.  it's not an experience
i ever hope to have to do again.  since the version of 
apt was also wrong and wouldn't work i had to go back
to using dpkg repeatedly in a loop of all packages until
the dependencies would all be installed and then it got
them all up to date at last.

  it would have been much quicker in the end had i just
set up a new partition and installed from scratch.


  songbird

Re: I need help with my var partition.

[David Christensen]

On 5/1/23 18:51, Maureen L Thomas wrote:
Unfortunately I cannot install anything.  I used the command line and 
the app but neither of them will work.  I have no idea what to do next. 
I used su and sudo first.  It just keeps saying it cannot connect with 
the base from which I get updates, etc.  I used the reinstall on brasero 
and it just said that it was up to date.  I am so confused.



Repairing a damaged OS instance is tough; even when the damage mechanism 
is known (deleting /var/log/, /var/tmp/ and /var/cores/).  Recovery 
requires a lot of expertise.



Other readers have posted long listings and ACL dumps of their 
corresponding directories.  Is this approach too advanced for you?



Do you have an image of your system disk taken before the disaster?


As Brasero is not working, I suggest that you get a large USB HDD and 
back up onto that.  Hopefully, your computer has a desktop environment 
that displays an icon when the USB HDD is plugged in, you can use the 
icon to mount the USB HDD file system, and you can back up with a file 
manager via drag and drop.  If this is not the case, try a root terminal 
and suitable commands.  Back up your home directory and any data 
directories you have created.  Be sure to unmount the USB HDD before you 
unplug it.



If there are more user accounts on the system, you will want to log in 
to each of those accounts and backup their home directory and data.



If you know how to take an image of the system drive and save it on the 
USB HDD, do so.  If not, now would be a good time to learn.  Clonezilla 
is the obvious choice:


https://clonezilla.org/


If you have access to another computer with a CD/DVD/BD burner, burning 
archival optical discs would be a good idea.



The most direct path to a working Debian system is a fresh install onto 
a zeroed drive.  Next, install the applications you want.  Then connect 
the USB HDD, mount the file system, and restore your data.  Restoring 
application-specific data, such as a Thunderbird profile, may require 
additional steps.



Please post if you need help with any of the above.


David

Re: I need help with my var partition.

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

Maureen L Thomas wrote:
> I used the reinstall on brasero and it just said that it was up to date.

What error message does Brasero issue before refusing to work ?
What optical medium type do you give Brasero for burning ?

I can probably help with composing a xorriso run which performs a similar
backup as you normally do with Brasero. (I am not aware that xorriso would
try to access /var. So a try might succeed or tell us how deep the problem
is located in the software stack from kernel to desktop applications.)

Roadmap:
1: Check whether xorriso is installed.
   - Install if not yet there.
 - If apt does not install it, try the GNU xorriso source tarball.
2: Describe which hard disk directory trees or single files get normally
   backed up and to what paths on the backup medium they get copied.
3: Create a shell script with the necessary xorriso commands.

If the steps under "1:" don't work or if you want to stay with Brasero,
consider to get a Debian Live system like
  
https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-11.7.0-amd64-lxde.iso
and to put it on a USB stick as described in
  https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#write-usb
After booting from the USB stick the system should be able to install
xorriso or Brasero, so that you can backup your data.

Maybe you can even use the /var directory of the running Debian Live as
template to recreate the damaged /var tree on hard disk.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: I need help with my var partition.

[Tom Dial]

On 5/1/23 19:51, Maureen L Thomas wrote:

Unfortunately I cannot install anything.  I used the command line and the app 
but neither of them will work.  I have no idea what to do next. I used su and 
sudo first.  It just keeps saying it cannot connect with the base from which I 
get updates, etc.  I used the reinstall on brasero and it just said that it was 
up to date.  I am so confused.


The earlier reply by The Wanderer to this post may well be the correct in 
suggesting use of dpkg rather than apt. Apt is usually preferable if it will 
work, but dpkg sometimes will work when apt will not.

There could be several files in /var/cache/apt/archives that are base-files 
packages for different Debian releases or updates. You should take some care to 
use the right one. The correspondence between the file to use and the contents 
of /etc/debian_version is straightforward. I have:

# ls -l /var/cache/apt/archives/base-files*
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 70140 Dec 11 14:13 
/var/cache/apt/archives/base-files_11.1+deb11u6_amd64.deb
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 70132 Apr 23 14:57 
/var/cache/apt/archives/base-files_11.1+deb11u7_amd64.deb

# cat /etc/debian_version
11.7

So: this system is Release 11 update 7, and the corresponding base-files 
package is
/var/cache/apt/archives/base-files_11.1+deb11u7_amd64.deb

Using the wrong one by mistake might not be very noticeable, as base files 
probably change little from release to release;

In any follow up messages, please copy and paste the actual commands used and 
their output in addition to any description of the results. Descriptions may 
omit useful details. And prefer the command line to graphical applications 
because it usually contains more detailed and useful information and is easier 
to copy and paste into an email.

Regards,
Tom Dial



On 5/1/23 9:15 PM, Tom Dial wrote:

This Debian-user thread seems to have gone silent, but it is not clear whether 
your problem is solved. If it is, just ignore this and move on. If not:

The Wanderer, in an earlier post (04/28/2023 at 19;02), suggested reinstalling 
the base-files package. I believe this is the correct procedure, at least to 
start with. It should be relatively free from any risk of doing further damage 
to your system. The same post also suggested you might need to reinstall other 
packages if they had created subdirectories under /var that are not included in 
the base-files package, That also should not significantly risk any further 
damage. Reinstalling installed packages sometimes helps and in my experience 
(almost 30 years now) is unlikely to be harmful. Reinstalling base-files (and 
other packages as needed) also should correct any permission problems that may 
have crept in.

How to reinstall a package depends on how you maintain or upgrade your system.

If you use synaptic or aptitude, both have reinstall options that you can 
choose from the menu or submenu you would use for a new package installation.

If you log in as root on a terminal or terminal emulator to install and upgrade 
software, the command would be

apt install --reinstall  - for example,
apt install --reinstall base-files

If you use sudo in a terminal or terminal emulator to maintain software, use the above 
commands prefixed by "sudo" as you normally would for actions that need 
administrator privileges.

This should reinstall the version of the base-files (or other named package) 
that matches the most recently installed version.

I think the reinstall process might sometimes pause to ask you to choose 
between installing the default configuration file from the package or keeping 
an existing one that you might have changed. It should be safe to keep the one 
already installed.

If you have questions about any of this, feel free to ask, either privately or 
on the list.

Regards,
Tom Dial



On 4/28/23 20:36, Maureen L Thomas wrote:

Here is what I got.

root@debian:/var# /bin/ls -ld */
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root   4096 Apr 28 15:46 backups/
drwxr-xr-x 19 root root   4096 Apr 12 20:20 cache/
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root   4096 Apr 28 20:59 cores/
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root   4096 Nov 13  2020 games/
drwxr-xr-x 62 root root   4096 Apr 12 20:20 lib/
drwxrwsr-x  2 root staff  4096 Sep 19  2020 local/
drwxrwxrwt  3 root root    100 Apr 28 21:13 lock/
drwxr-xr-x  8 root root   4096 Apr 28 21:36 log/
drwx--  2 root root  16384 Nov 12  2020 lost+found/
drwxrwsr-x  2 root mail   4096 Nov 12  2020 mail/
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root   4096 Nov 12  2020 opt/
drwxr-xr-x 27 root root    760 Apr 28 22:31 run/
drwxr-xr-x 14 root root   4096 Apr 27 22:58 snap/
drwxr-xr-x  7 root root   4096 Nov 12  2020 spool/
drwxr-xr-x  8 root root   4096 Apr 28 22:32 tmp/
root@debian:/var#


Reinstalling the base-files package should create or correct the following 
directories under /var:
/var
/var/backups
/var/cache
/var/lib
/var/lib/dpkg
/var/lib/misc
/var/local
/var/lock
/var/log
/var/run
/var/spool
/var/tmp




On 4/28/23 10:17 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote:

On Fri, Apr 

Re: I need help with my var partition.

[The Wanderer]

On 2023-05-01 at 21:51, Maureen L Thomas wrote:

> Unfortunately I cannot install anything.  I used the command line and
> the app but neither of them will work.

I suspect that if you don't have the various directories under /var/,
you may not be able to use apt or aptitude or synaptic or the like, but
dpkg (in the form of 'dpkg -i /path/to/filename.deb') may still work.

If it doesn't, the only fallbacks that I can think of that would be
*more* likely to work - short of reinstalling Debian, anyway - involve
carefully extracting the .deb's contents into the correct root path, and
running any necessary follow-on scripts, *by hand*. And that would be
daunting even to me, though I understand that it's certainly possible.

> I have no idea what to do next. I used su and sudo first.  It just
> keeps saying it cannot connect with the base from which I get
> updates, etc.  I used the reinstall on brasero and it just said that
> it was up to date.  I am so confused.

This description seems to suggest that you're using a tool which is
trying to download the .deb file from a remote location. Those tools are
fairly likely to have problems if the directories under /var/ don't
exist.

Instead, I suggest that you try:

$ su -
# dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/base-files_12_amd64.deb

(Or whatever the version number and architecture of your base-files
package may be; that's the oldest one I have on hand myself, from August
of 2021. You should probably be able to tab-complete the filename from
before the first underscore, but that depends on how your system is set
up.)

dpkg should, I think, have fewer dependencies on directory structure (et
cetera) than anything APT-based will have. It still might not be few
*enough*, but it's worth a shot.

-- 
   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw



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Re: I need help with my var partition.

[Maureen L Thomas]

Unfortunately I cannot install anything.  I used the command line and 
the app but neither of them will work.  I have no idea what to do next.  
I used su and sudo first.  It just keeps saying it cannot connect with 
the base from which I get updates, etc.  I used the reinstall on brasero 
and it just said that it was up to date.  I am so confused.


On 5/1/23 9:15 PM, Tom Dial wrote:
This Debian-user thread seems to have gone silent, but it is not clear 
whether your problem is solved. If it is, just ignore this and move 
on. If not:


The Wanderer, in an earlier post (04/28/2023 at 19;02), suggested 
reinstalling the base-files package. I believe this is the correct 
procedure, at least to start with. It should be relatively free from 
any risk of doing further damage to your system. The same post also 
suggested you might need to reinstall other packages if they had 
created subdirectories under /var that are not included in the 
base-files package, That also should not significantly risk any 
further damage. Reinstalling installed packages sometimes helps and in 
my experience (almost 30 years now) is unlikely to be harmful. 
Reinstalling base-files (and other packages as needed) also should 
correct any permission problems that may have crept in.


How to reinstall a package depends on how you maintain or upgrade your 
system.


If you use synaptic or aptitude, both have reinstall options that you 
can choose from the menu or submenu you would use for a new package 
installation.


If you log in as root on a terminal or terminal emulator to install 
and upgrade software, the command would be


apt install --reinstall  - for example,
apt install --reinstall base-files

If you use sudo in a terminal or terminal emulator to maintain 
software, use the above commands prefixed by "sudo" as you normally 
would for actions that need administrator privileges.


This should reinstall the version of the base-files (or other named 
package) that matches the most recently installed version.


I think the reinstall process might sometimes pause to ask you to 
choose between installing the default configuration file from the 
package or keeping an existing one that you might have changed. It 
should be safe to keep the one already installed.


If you have questions about any of this, feel free to ask, either 
privately or on the list.


Regards,
Tom Dial



On 4/28/23 20:36, Maureen L Thomas wrote:

Here is what I got.

root@debian:/var# /bin/ls -ld */
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root   4096 Apr 28 15:46 backups/
drwxr-xr-x 19 root root   4096 Apr 12 20:20 cache/
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root   4096 Apr 28 20:59 cores/
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root   4096 Nov 13  2020 games/
drwxr-xr-x 62 root root   4096 Apr 12 20:20 lib/
drwxrwsr-x  2 root staff  4096 Sep 19  2020 local/
drwxrwxrwt  3 root root    100 Apr 28 21:13 lock/
drwxr-xr-x  8 root root   4096 Apr 28 21:36 log/
drwx--  2 root root  16384 Nov 12  2020 lost+found/
drwxrwsr-x  2 root mail   4096 Nov 12  2020 mail/
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root   4096 Nov 12  2020 opt/
drwxr-xr-x 27 root root    760 Apr 28 22:31 run/
drwxr-xr-x 14 root root   4096 Apr 27 22:58 snap/
drwxr-xr-x  7 root root   4096 Nov 12  2020 spool/
drwxr-xr-x  8 root root   4096 Apr 28 22:32 tmp/
root@debian:/var#


Reinstalling the base-files package should create or correct the 
following directories under /var:

/var
/var/backups
/var/cache
/var/lib
/var/lib/dpkg
/var/lib/misc
/var/local
/var/lock
/var/log
/var/run
/var/spool
/var/tmp




On 4/28/23 10:17 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote:

On Fri, Apr 28, 2023 at 10:05:01PM -0400, Maureen L Thomas wrote:
Yes my figures are very similar to yours.  But even after a reboot 
I still

cannot burn a back up disk.

Do not look at the NUMBERS.

OWNER.

GROUP.

PERMISSIONS.

The numbers mean nothing.


On 4/28/23 9:04 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote:

Make sure you get the ownership and permissions correct.

unicorn:/var$ /bin/ls -ld */
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root  4096 Apr 22 06:25 backups/
drwxr-xr-x 12 root root  4096 Jul 31  2022 cache/
drwxr-xr-x  3 root root  4096 Mar  3  2018 games/
drwxr-xr-x 50 root root  4096 Jul 31  2022 lib/
drwxrwsr-x  2 root staff 4096 Nov 19  2017 local/
See that?  Group write.  Set-group-id.  Group staff.  Probably not a 
big

deal, because who the hell uses /var/local for anything, but there is
no excuse for not checking the OWNER, GROUP and PERMISSIONS.


drwxrwxrwt  3 root root    80 Mar 25 16:03 lock/

Group and world write.  Sticky bit.


drwxr-xr-x 15 root root  4096 Apr 24 08:12 log/
drwxrwsr-x  2 root mail  4096 Oct 28  2021 mail/

Group write, setgid.


drwxr-xr-x  2 root root  4096 Jan 11  2018 opt/
drwxr-xr-x 10 root qmail 4096 Jan 12  2018 qmail/
drwxr-xr-x 26 root root   760 Mar 27 15:39 run/
drwxr-xr-x  6 root root  4096 Jan 29  2021 spool/
drwxrwxrwt  6 root root  4096 Apr 28 21:02 tmp/

Group and world write.  Sticky bit.

THIS is what matters.

Re: I need help with my var partition.

[Tom Dial]

This Debian-user thread seems to have gone silent, but it is not clear whether 
your problem is solved. If it is, just ignore this and move on. If not:

The Wanderer, in an earlier post (04/28/2023 at 19;02), suggested reinstalling 
the base-files package. I believe this is the correct procedure, at least to 
start with. It should be relatively free from any risk of doing further damage 
to your system. The same post also suggested you might need to reinstall other 
packages if they had created subdirectories under /var that are not included in 
the base-files package, That also should not significantly risk any further 
damage. Reinstalling installed packages sometimes helps and in my experience 
(almost 30 years now) is unlikely to be harmful. Reinstalling base-files (and 
other packages as needed) also should correct any permission problems that may 
have crept in.

How to reinstall a package depends on how you maintain or upgrade your system.

If you use synaptic or aptitude, both have reinstall options that you can 
choose from the menu or submenu you would use for a new package installation.

If you log in as root on a terminal or terminal emulator to install and upgrade 
software, the command would be

apt install --reinstall  - for example,
apt install --reinstall base-files

If you use sudo in a terminal or terminal emulator to maintain software, use the above 
commands prefixed by "sudo" as you normally would for actions that need 
administrator privileges.

This should reinstall the version of the base-files (or other named package) 
that matches the most recently installed version.

I think the reinstall process might sometimes pause to ask you to choose 
between installing the default configuration file from the package or keeping 
an existing one that you might have changed. It should be safe to keep the one 
already installed.

If you have questions about any of this, feel free to ask, either privately or 
on the list.

Regards,
Tom Dial



On 4/28/23 20:36, Maureen L Thomas wrote:

Here is what I got.

root@debian:/var# /bin/ls -ld */
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root   4096 Apr 28 15:46 backups/
drwxr-xr-x 19 root root   4096 Apr 12 20:20 cache/
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root   4096 Apr 28 20:59 cores/
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root   4096 Nov 13  2020 games/
drwxr-xr-x 62 root root   4096 Apr 12 20:20 lib/
drwxrwsr-x  2 root staff  4096 Sep 19  2020 local/
drwxrwxrwt  3 root root    100 Apr 28 21:13 lock/
drwxr-xr-x  8 root root   4096 Apr 28 21:36 log/
drwx--  2 root root  16384 Nov 12  2020 lost+found/
drwxrwsr-x  2 root mail   4096 Nov 12  2020 mail/
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root   4096 Nov 12  2020 opt/
drwxr-xr-x 27 root root    760 Apr 28 22:31 run/
drwxr-xr-x 14 root root   4096 Apr 27 22:58 snap/
drwxr-xr-x  7 root root   4096 Nov 12  2020 spool/
drwxr-xr-x  8 root root   4096 Apr 28 22:32 tmp/
root@debian:/var#


Reinstalling the base-files package should create or correct the following 
directories under /var:
/var
/var/backups
/var/cache
/var/lib
/var/lib/dpkg
/var/lib/misc
/var/local
/var/lock
/var/log
/var/run
/var/spool
/var/tmp




On 4/28/23 10:17 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote:

On Fri, Apr 28, 2023 at 10:05:01PM -0400, Maureen L Thomas wrote:

Yes my figures are very similar to yours.  But even after a reboot I still
cannot burn a back up disk.

Do not look at the NUMBERS.

OWNER.

GROUP.

PERMISSIONS.

The numbers mean nothing.


On 4/28/23 9:04 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote:

Make sure you get the ownership and permissions correct.

unicorn:/var$ /bin/ls -ld */
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root  4096 Apr 22 06:25 backups/
drwxr-xr-x 12 root root  4096 Jul 31  2022 cache/
drwxr-xr-x  3 root root  4096 Mar  3  2018 games/
drwxr-xr-x 50 root root  4096 Jul 31  2022 lib/
drwxrwsr-x  2 root staff 4096 Nov 19  2017 local/

See that?  Group write.  Set-group-id.  Group staff.  Probably not a big
deal, because who the hell uses /var/local for anything, but there is
no excuse for not checking the OWNER, GROUP and PERMISSIONS.


drwxrwxrwt  3 root root    80 Mar 25 16:03 lock/

Group and world write.  Sticky bit.


drwxr-xr-x 15 root root  4096 Apr 24 08:12 log/
drwxrwsr-x  2 root mail  4096 Oct 28  2021 mail/

Group write, setgid.


drwxr-xr-x  2 root root  4096 Jan 11  2018 opt/
drwxr-xr-x 10 root qmail 4096 Jan 12  2018 qmail/
drwxr-xr-x 26 root root   760 Mar 27 15:39 run/
drwxr-xr-x  6 root root  4096 Jan 29  2021 spool/
drwxrwxrwt  6 root root  4096 Apr 28 21:02 tmp/

Group and world write.  Sticky bit.

THIS is what matters.

Re: I need help with my var partition.

[David Christensen]

On 4/28/23 17:25, Maureen L Thomas wrote:
I am 72 and have forgotten a few things.  I looked up debian/var and was 
told I could delete /var/log/


and /var/tmp/ and /var/cores/.  I left cores alone and deleted the other 
two.  Now I cannot burn a backup, download files and even go to web 
sites from my nord vpn which was working great until I deleted the above 
files.  I really want to upgrade to debian 11.  I am using debian 10, on 
a Lonovo all in one and have had no problems.  I followed the directions 
for var that I found and now have a screwed up machine.  Is there any 
help available. I was thinking of upgrading online but don't want to 
loose my data.  Please help this old lady.



On 4/28/23 17:57, Maureen L Thomas wrote:
> OK so I went looking on the net /debian/var to find out why it is
> running out of room.  All I could find is the directions to delete said
> files.  I will put them back, now.


On 4/28/23 19:05, Maureen L Thomas wrote:
> ... I still cannot burn a back up disk.


On 4/28/23 19:36, Maureen L Thomas wrote:
> Here is what I got.
>
> root@debian:/var# /bin/ls -ld */
> drwxr-xr-x  2 root root   4096 Apr 28 15:46 backups/
> drwxr-xr-x 19 root root   4096 Apr 12 20:20 cache/
> drwxr-xr-x  2 root root   4096 Apr 28 20:59 cores/
> drwxr-xr-x  2 root root   4096 Nov 13  2020 games/
> drwxr-xr-x 62 root root   4096 Apr 12 20:20 lib/
> drwxrwsr-x  2 root staff  4096 Sep 19  2020 local/
> drwxrwxrwt  3 root root100 Apr 28 21:13 lock/
> drwxr-xr-x  8 root root   4096 Apr 28 21:36 log/
> drwx--  2 root root  16384 Nov 12  2020 lost+found/
> drwxrwsr-x  2 root mail   4096 Nov 12  2020 mail/
> drwxr-xr-x  2 root root   4096 Nov 12  2020 opt/
> drwxr-xr-x 27 root root760 Apr 28 22:31 run/
> drwxr-xr-x 14 root root   4096 Apr 27 22:58 snap/
> drwxr-xr-x  7 root root   4096 Nov 12  2020 spool/
> drwxr-xr-x  8 root root   4096 Apr 28 22:32 tmp/
> root@debian:/var#


I assume you have a Lenovo computer.  What is the model name and number? 
 What processor?  How much memory?  How many drives, what type, and 
what size?



What backup software are you using?  Do you have recent backups?  Do you 
know how to restore?



What other resources do you have available -- computers, network, USB 
flash drives, external HDD's, spare SSD/HDD's?



When I break an OS instance, or when I want to re-install or do a major 
version upgrade, I back up the system configuration files and data 
files, remove the system disk, install a (zeroed) replacement system 
disk, do a fresh install, manually merge the old configuration settings 
into the new configuration files, and restore the data.  So long as I do 
each step correctly, I end up with a correct result.



Disaster preparedness and disaster recovery are easier if your OS is on 
one disk and your data is on another disk.  What is your layout?



David

Re: I need help with my var partition.

[David Wright]

On Fri 28 Apr 2023 at 22:36:39 (-0400), Maureen L Thomas wrote:
> Here is what I got.
> 
> root@debian:/var# /bin/ls -ld */
> drwxr-xr-x  2 root root   4096 Apr 28 15:46 backups/
> drwxr-xr-x 19 root root   4096 Apr 12 20:20 cache/
> drwxr-xr-x  2 root root   4096 Apr 28 20:59 cores/
> drwxr-xr-x  2 root root   4096 Nov 13  2020 games/
> drwxr-xr-x 62 root root   4096 Apr 12 20:20 lib/
> drwxrwsr-x  2 root staff  4096 Sep 19  2020 local/
> drwxrwxrwt  3 root root    100 Apr 28 21:13 lock/
> drwxr-xr-x  8 root root   4096 Apr 28 21:36 log/
> drwx--  2 root root  16384 Nov 12  2020 lost+found/
> drwxrwsr-x  2 root mail   4096 Nov 12  2020 mail/
> drwxr-xr-x  2 root root   4096 Nov 12  2020 opt/
> drwxr-xr-x 27 root root    760 Apr 28 22:31 run/
> drwxr-xr-x 14 root root   4096 Apr 27 22:58 snap/
> drwxr-xr-x  7 root root   4096 Nov 12  2020 spool/
> drwxr-xr-x  8 root root   4096 Apr 28 22:32 tmp/
> root@debian:/var#

You've effectively got no /tmp available for most users.

  drwxrwxrwt  6 root root  4096 Apr 28 21:02 tmp/

On Sat 29 Apr 2023 at 07:12:13 (+0200), to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 28, 2023 at 10:05:01PM -0400, Maureen L Thomas wrote:
> > Yes my figures are very similar to yours.  But even after a reboot I still
> > cannot burn a back up disk.
> 
> One problem may be that /var/log has subdirectories which don't
> belong to root. Applications trying to write their logs might
> fail, either because they can't create "their" log subdirectory
> or because they even don't try (because they rely on the install
> process having done that).
> 
> Here's an example, but note that your package set will differ
> from mine, so take this as illustrative:

Can I also add to your listing (as a systemd-user):

  drwxr-sr-x+  3 root  systemd-journal 4096 Jan  1  2022 /var/log/journal

$ getfacl -p /var/log/journal/
# file: /var/log/journal/
# owner: root
# group: systemd-journal
# flags: -s-
user::rwx
group::r-x
group:adm:r-x
mask::r-x
other::r-x
default:user::rwx
default:group::r-x
default:group:adm:r-x
default:mask::r-x
default:other::r-x

$ 

Cheers,
David.

Re: I need help with my var partition.

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

Maureen L Thomas wrote:
> even after a reboot I still cannot burn a back up disk.

In case the crisis lasts longer or you need to make a backup before its
solution:
What program do you use to burn your backups and what does it report
when failing ?
What kind of media shall be burnt ?


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: I need help with my var partition.

[tomas]

On Fri, Apr 28, 2023 at 10:05:01PM -0400, Maureen L Thomas wrote:
> Yes my figures are very similar to yours.  But even after a reboot I still
> cannot burn a back up disk.

One problem may be that /var/log has subdirectories which don't
belong to root. Applications trying to write their logs might
fail, either because they can't create "their" log subdirectory
or because they even don't try (because they rely on the install
process having done that).

Here's an example, but note that your package set will differ
from mine, so take this as illustrative:

  tomas@trotzki:~$ find /var/log -maxdepth 1 -type d -exec ls -ld {} +
  drwxr-xr-x 20 root  root  12288 Apr 29 06:00 /var/log
  drwxr-xr-x  2 root  root   4096 Apr 26 20:49 /var/log/apt
  drwxr-sr-x  2 apt-cacher-ng apt-cacher-ng 40960 Apr 29 06:05 
/var/log/apt-cacher-ng
  drwxr-xr-x  2 root  root   4096 Apr 29 06:54 /var/log/atop
  drwxr-s---  2 Debian-exim   adm4096 Apr 29 06:54 /var/log/exim4
  drwxr-xr-x  2 root  root   4096 Oct 30  2017 /var/log/fsck
  drwxr-xr-x  3 root  root   4096 Nov 10  2021 /var/log/guix
  drwxr-xr-x  3 root  root   4096 Oct 30  2017 
/var/log/installer
  drwxrwx---  2 jvb   jitsi  4096 Jan 22  2020 /var/log/jitsi
  drwxr-x---  2 www-data  www-data   4096 Apr 26 06:31 /var/log/lighttpd
  drwxr-s---  2 mysql adm4096 Nov  9  2021 /var/log/mysql
  drwxr-xr-x  2 root  adm4096 Jan 22  2020 /var/log/nginx
  drwxr-xr-x  2 ntp   ntp4096 Feb 15  2018 /var/log/ntpstats
  drwxr-xr-x  2 root  root   4096 Feb 20  2019 /var/log/openvpn
  drwxrwxr-t  2 root  postgres   4096 Apr 23 07:06 
/var/log/postgresql
  drwxr-x---  2 prosody   adm4096 Apr 23 07:06 /var/log/prosody
  drwxr-xr-x  4 root  root   4096 Nov  9  2021 /var/log/runit
  drwxr-x---  2 root  adm4096 May  8  2019 /var/log/samba
  drwxr-xr-x  2 stunnel4  stunnel4   4096 Apr 16  2020 /var/log/stunnel4

One thing you might try to rescue the situation would be
to chmod go+w /var/log. Note that this makes your system
somewhat... insecure (that's an euphemism :-)

Perhaps the failing apps do create their log subdirs.

Don't forget to do chmod go-w after the dust has settled.

Cheers
-- 
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Re: I need help with my var partition.

[Maureen L Thomas]

Here is what I got.

root@debian:/var# /bin/ls -ld */
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root   4096 Apr 28 15:46 backups/
drwxr-xr-x 19 root root   4096 Apr 12 20:20 cache/
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root   4096 Apr 28 20:59 cores/
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root   4096 Nov 13  2020 games/
drwxr-xr-x 62 root root   4096 Apr 12 20:20 lib/
drwxrwsr-x  2 root staff  4096 Sep 19  2020 local/
drwxrwxrwt  3 root root    100 Apr 28 21:13 lock/
drwxr-xr-x  8 root root   4096 Apr 28 21:36 log/
drwx--  2 root root  16384 Nov 12  2020 lost+found/
drwxrwsr-x  2 root mail   4096 Nov 12  2020 mail/
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root   4096 Nov 12  2020 opt/
drwxr-xr-x 27 root root    760 Apr 28 22:31 run/
drwxr-xr-x 14 root root   4096 Apr 27 22:58 snap/
drwxr-xr-x  7 root root   4096 Nov 12  2020 spool/
drwxr-xr-x  8 root root   4096 Apr 28 22:32 tmp/
root@debian:/var#

On 4/28/23 10:17 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote:

On Fri, Apr 28, 2023 at 10:05:01PM -0400, Maureen L Thomas wrote:

Yes my figures are very similar to yours.  But even after a reboot I still
cannot burn a back up disk.

Do not look at the NUMBERS.

OWNER.

GROUP.

PERMISSIONS.

The numbers mean nothing.


On 4/28/23 9:04 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote:

Make sure you get the ownership and permissions correct.

unicorn:/var$ /bin/ls -ld */
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root  4096 Apr 22 06:25 backups/
drwxr-xr-x 12 root root  4096 Jul 31  2022 cache/
drwxr-xr-x  3 root root  4096 Mar  3  2018 games/
drwxr-xr-x 50 root root  4096 Jul 31  2022 lib/
drwxrwsr-x  2 root staff 4096 Nov 19  2017 local/

See that?  Group write.  Set-group-id.  Group staff.  Probably not a big
deal, because who the hell uses /var/local for anything, but there is
no excuse for not checking the OWNER, GROUP and PERMISSIONS.


drwxrwxrwt  3 root root80 Mar 25 16:03 lock/

Group and world write.  Sticky bit.


drwxr-xr-x 15 root root  4096 Apr 24 08:12 log/
drwxrwsr-x  2 root mail  4096 Oct 28  2021 mail/

Group write, setgid.


drwxr-xr-x  2 root root  4096 Jan 11  2018 opt/
drwxr-xr-x 10 root qmail 4096 Jan 12  2018 qmail/
drwxr-xr-x 26 root root   760 Mar 27 15:39 run/
drwxr-xr-x  6 root root  4096 Jan 29  2021 spool/
drwxrwxrwt  6 root root  4096 Apr 28 21:02 tmp/

Group and world write.  Sticky bit.

THIS is what matters.

Re: I need help with my var partition.

[Greg Wooledge]

On Fri, Apr 28, 2023 at 10:05:01PM -0400, Maureen L Thomas wrote:
> Yes my figures are very similar to yours.  But even after a reboot I still
> cannot burn a back up disk.

Do not look at the NUMBERS.

OWNER.

GROUP.

PERMISSIONS.

The numbers mean nothing.

> On 4/28/23 9:04 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > Make sure you get the ownership and permissions correct.
> > 
> > unicorn:/var$ /bin/ls -ld */
> > drwxr-xr-x  2 root root  4096 Apr 22 06:25 backups/
> > drwxr-xr-x 12 root root  4096 Jul 31  2022 cache/
> > drwxr-xr-x  3 root root  4096 Mar  3  2018 games/
> > drwxr-xr-x 50 root root  4096 Jul 31  2022 lib/
> > drwxrwsr-x  2 root staff 4096 Nov 19  2017 local/

See that?  Group write.  Set-group-id.  Group staff.  Probably not a big
deal, because who the hell uses /var/local for anything, but there is
no excuse for not checking the OWNER, GROUP and PERMISSIONS.

> > drwxrwxrwt  3 root root80 Mar 25 16:03 lock/

Group and world write.  Sticky bit.

> > drwxr-xr-x 15 root root  4096 Apr 24 08:12 log/
> > drwxrwsr-x  2 root mail  4096 Oct 28  2021 mail/

Group write, setgid.

> > drwxr-xr-x  2 root root  4096 Jan 11  2018 opt/
> > drwxr-xr-x 10 root qmail 4096 Jan 12  2018 qmail/
> > drwxr-xr-x 26 root root   760 Mar 27 15:39 run/
> > drwxr-xr-x  6 root root  4096 Jan 29  2021 spool/
> > drwxrwxrwt  6 root root  4096 Apr 28 21:02 tmp/

Group and world write.  Sticky bit.

THIS is what matters.

Re: I need help with my var partition.

[Maureen L Thomas]

Yes my figures are very similar to yours.  But even after a reboot I 
still cannot burn a back up disk.


On 4/28/23 9:04 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote:

On Fri, Apr 28, 2023 at 08:57:47PM -0400, Maureen L Thomas wrote:

OK so I went looking on the net /debian/var to find out why it is running
out of room.  All I could find is the directions to delete said files.  I
will put them back, now.

Make sure you get the ownership and permissions correct.

unicorn:/var$ /bin/ls -ld */
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root  4096 Apr 22 06:25 backups/
drwxr-xr-x 12 root root  4096 Jul 31  2022 cache/
drwxr-xr-x  3 root root  4096 Mar  3  2018 games/
drwxr-xr-x 50 root root  4096 Jul 31  2022 lib/
drwxrwsr-x  2 root staff 4096 Nov 19  2017 local/
drwxrwxrwt  3 root root80 Mar 25 16:03 lock/
drwxr-xr-x 15 root root  4096 Apr 24 08:12 log/
drwxrwsr-x  2 root mail  4096 Oct 28  2021 mail/
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root  4096 Jan 11  2018 opt/
drwxr-xr-x 10 root qmail 4096 Jan 12  2018 qmail/
drwxr-xr-x 26 root root   760 Mar 27 15:39 run/
drwxr-xr-x  6 root root  4096 Jan 29  2021 spool/
drwxrwxrwt  6 root root  4096 Apr 28 21:02 tmp/

Ignore "qmail" unless you happen to be using qmail, which is unlikely.
The rest should look like this.

In particular, note the permissions on /var/tmp.  That's "chmod 1777"
to get the sticky bit.

Re: I need help with my var partition.

[Greg Wooledge]

On Fri, Apr 28, 2023 at 08:57:47PM -0400, Maureen L Thomas wrote:
> OK so I went looking on the net /debian/var to find out why it is running
> out of room.  All I could find is the directions to delete said files.  I
> will put them back, now.

Make sure you get the ownership and permissions correct.

unicorn:/var$ /bin/ls -ld */
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root  4096 Apr 22 06:25 backups/
drwxr-xr-x 12 root root  4096 Jul 31  2022 cache/
drwxr-xr-x  3 root root  4096 Mar  3  2018 games/
drwxr-xr-x 50 root root  4096 Jul 31  2022 lib/
drwxrwsr-x  2 root staff 4096 Nov 19  2017 local/
drwxrwxrwt  3 root root80 Mar 25 16:03 lock/
drwxr-xr-x 15 root root  4096 Apr 24 08:12 log/
drwxrwsr-x  2 root mail  4096 Oct 28  2021 mail/
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root  4096 Jan 11  2018 opt/
drwxr-xr-x 10 root qmail 4096 Jan 12  2018 qmail/
drwxr-xr-x 26 root root   760 Mar 27 15:39 run/
drwxr-xr-x  6 root root  4096 Jan 29  2021 spool/
drwxrwxrwt  6 root root  4096 Apr 28 21:02 tmp/

Ignore "qmail" unless you happen to be using qmail, which is unlikely.
The rest should look like this.

In particular, note the permissions on /var/tmp.  That's "chmod 1777"
to get the sticky bit.

Re: I need help with my var partition.

[The Wanderer]

On 2023-04-28 at 20:46, Jeremy Ardley wrote:

> On 29/4/23 08:25, Maureen L Thomas wrote:
>
>> I am 72 and have forgotten a few things.  I looked up debian/var and 
>> was told I could delete /var/log/
>>
>> and /var/tmp/ and /var/cores/.

I'd guess that this was *probably* meant as a direction to delete *files
from inside* those directories. Deleting the directories themselves, or
even deleting their contents wholesale, can - as you've discovered -
create a problematic circumstance.

>> I left cores alone and deleted the other two.  Now I cannot burn a
>> backup, download files and even go to web sites from my nord vpn
>> which was working great until I deleted the above files.  I really
>> want to upgrade to debian 11. I am using debian 10, on a Lonovo all
>> in one and have had no problems.  I followed the directions for var
>> that I found and now have a screwed up machine.  Is there any help
>> available. I was thinking of upgrading online but don't want to
>> loose my data. Please help this old lady.
>>
>>
> Deleting /var/log etc is at best unhelpful.
> 
> I can't think of any procedure that would require deleting those 
> directories. Perhaps someone was fooling with you?
> 
> Without knowing what else you have done or why, it's probably a good 
> idea to recreate the directories
> 
> cd /var
> 
> mkdir log
> 
> mkdir tmp

That won't necessarily bring back the correct directory permissions, or
any needed subdirectory structure under these two locations.

I'm not *positive* that this won't break anything, but I think the
safest thing to do would probably be to reinstall the 'base-files'
package, which can *probably* still be done - even on a system with
those directories missing - with 'dpkg -i' from the copy in
/var/cache/apt/archives/.

That should, I think, bring back both directories with any needed
permissions. It will not, however, re-create any subdirectories (e.g.
under /var/log/) which were created by other packages; for that, you'd
have to reinstall those packages as well.

Given that one of the directories on my own system is /var/log/apt/,
it's not impossible that much of the package-management system may not
work (fully) correctly until you've identified and reinstalled the
correct packages.

-- 
   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw



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Re: I need help with my var partition.

[Maureen L Thomas]

OK so I went looking on the net /debian/var to find out why it is 
running out of room.  All I could find is the directions to delete said 
files.  I will put them back, now.



On 4/28/23 8:46 PM, Jeremy Ardley wrote:


On 29/4/23 08:25, Maureen L Thomas wrote:
I am 72 and have forgotten a few things. I looked up debian/var and 
was told I could delete /var/log/


and /var/tmp/ and /var/cores/.  I left cores alone and deleted the 
other two.  Now I cannot burn a backup, download files and even go to 
web sites from my nord vpn which was working great until I deleted 
the above files.  I really want to upgrade to debian 11. I am using 
debian 10, on a Lonovo all in one and have had no problems.  I 
followed the directions for var that I found and now have a screwed 
up machine.  Is there any help available. I was thinking of upgrading 
online but don't want to loose my data. Please help this old lady.




Deleting /var/log etc is at best unhelpful.

I can't think of any procedure that would require deleting those 
directories. Perhaps someone was fooling with you?


Without knowing what else you have done or why, it's probably a good 
idea to recreate the directories


cd /var

mkdir log

mkdir tmp

Before you do a reboot, perhaps explain what else you have done and why?

Re: I need help with my var partition.

[Byung-Hee HWANG]

Dear Mrs. Thomas,

Maureen L Thomas  writes:

> (...)
> I was thinking of upgrading
> online but don't want to loose my data.

First of all, please do back-up your *important* data.
Such as pictures, video clips, diary, some text docs, etc.

(Also i'm Debian user with Debian Bullseye under ThinkPad notebook)


Sincerely, Byung-Hee from South Korea

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Re: I need help with my var partition.

[Jeremy Ardley]

On 29/4/23 08:25, Maureen L Thomas wrote:
I am 72 and have forgotten a few things.  I looked up debian/var and 
was told I could delete /var/log/


and /var/tmp/ and /var/cores/.  I left cores alone and deleted the 
other two.  Now I cannot burn a backup, download files and even go to 
web sites from my nord vpn which was working great until I deleted the 
above files.  I really want to upgrade to debian 11. I am using debian 
10, on a Lonovo all in one and have had no problems.  I followed the 
directions for var that I found and now have a screwed up machine.  Is 
there any help available. I was thinking of upgrading online but don't 
want to loose my data. Please help this old lady.




Deleting /var/log etc is at best unhelpful.

I can't think of any procedure that would require deleting those 
directories. Perhaps someone was fooling with you?


Without knowing what else you have done or why, it's probably a good 
idea to recreate the directories


cd /var

mkdir log

mkdir tmp

Before you do a reboot, perhaps explain what else you have done and why?



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Re: I need help

[Bernd Gruber]

Aorey wrote:

> 
> Hello, I am a debian user. I want to customize my own debian ISO
> distribution. What should I do?

open synaptic, search for live and you'll have all you need.
But, be aware, it's quite a lot of work, though, till everything works as 
you want it to.
Bernd

Re: I need help

[Ben Caradoc-Davies]

On 19/01/18 17:55, Aorey wrote:

Hello, I am a debian user. I want to customize my own debian ISO distribution. 
What should I do?


Are you trying to make a Live ISO? If so:

live-build - old technology, fell behind, new maintainers, works well for me

live-wrapper - new officially approved tool, never worked well for me

See the debian-live mailing list for all discussions related to Live ISOs.

Kind regards,

--
Ben Caradoc-Davies 
Director
Transient Software Limited 
New Zealand

Re: Re: I need help to determine package name for a bug report.

[Zoltán Herman]

No, but since every one works in memory, one of its segments may be
defective.
Memtest writes and reads ... but not concurrent.

2017-08-27 23:16 GMT+02:00 Fungi4All :

>
> From: zoltan...@gmail.com
> To: Debian User 
>
> I would try to exchange the memories by swapping...
>
> 2017-08-27 16:36 GMT+02:00 Alexander V. Makartsev :
>
>> Package: linux-image-4.9.0-3-amd64
>> Version: 4.9.30-2+deb9u3
>> Maintainer: Debian Kernel Team 
>>
>> I've already checked memory with memtest86+ and found no errors. My
>> hardware pretty recent (Skylake i5 CPU and H170 Chipset based mobo)
>> Also these errors always begin with "kernel: alsa-sink-ALC88: Corrupted
>> page table at address", so I doubt it is hardware problem.
>>
>> On 27.08.2017 15:35, Zoltán Herman wrote:
>> > kernel team
>> > linux-image-
>> >
>> > May be a memory error?
>> >
>>
>
> Do sound cards have memory chips on them?  How can we tell?  If they do
> could this be a source of the above problem that memtest doesn't test?
>
>

Re: Re: I need help to determine package name for a bug report.

[Fungi4All]

> From: zoltan...@gmail.com
> To: Debian User 
>
> I would try to exchange the memories by swapping...
>
> 2017-08-27 16:36 GMT+02:00 Alexander V. Makartsev :
>
>> Package: linux-image-4.9.0-3-amd64
>> Version: 4.9.30-2+deb9u3
>> Maintainer: Debian Kernel Team 
>>
>> I've already checked memory with memtest86+ and found no errors. My
>> hardware pretty recent (Skylake i5 CPU and H170 Chipset based mobo)
>> Also these errors always begin with "kernel: alsa-sink-ALC88: Corrupted
>> page table at address", so I doubt it is hardware problem.
>>
>> On [27.08.2017 15](tel:27.08.2017%2015):35, Zoltán Herman wrote:
>>> kernel team
>>> linux-image-
>>>
>>> May be a memory error?
>>>

Do sound cards have memory chips on them?  How can we tell?  If they do
could this be a source of the above problem that memtest doesn't test?

Re: Re: I need help to determine package name for a bug report.

[Zoltán Herman]

I would try to exchange the memories by swapping...

2017-08-27 16:36 GMT+02:00 Alexander V. Makartsev :

> Package: linux-image-4.9.0-3-amd64
> Version: 4.9.30-2+deb9u3
> Maintainer: Debian Kernel Team 
>
> I've already checked memory with memtest86+ and found no errors. My
> hardware pretty recent (Skylake i5 CPU and H170 Chipset based mobo)
> Also these errors always begin with "kernel: alsa-sink-ALC88: Corrupted
> page table at address", so I doubt it is hardware problem.
>
> On 27.08.2017 15:35, Zoltán Herman wrote:
> > kernel team
> > linux-image-
> >
> > May be a memory error?
> >
>
>

Re: Re: I need help to determine package name for a bug report.

[Alexander V. Makartsev]

Package: linux-image-4.9.0-3-amd64
Version: 4.9.30-2+deb9u3
Maintainer: Debian Kernel Team 

I've already checked memory with memtest86+ and found no errors. My
hardware pretty recent (Skylake i5 CPU and H170 Chipset based mobo)
Also these errors always begin with "kernel: alsa-sink-ALC88: Corrupted
page table at address", so I doubt it is hardware problem.

On 27.08.2017 15:35, Zoltán Herman wrote:
> kernel team
> linux-image-
>
> May be a memory error?
>

Re: I need help to determine package name for a bug report.

[Zoltán Herman]

kernel team
linux-image-

May be a memory error?

2017. aug. 27. 12:13 ezt írta ("Alexander V. Makartsev" ):

Hello.

On rare occasion, I have these strange system lockups that seems to be
tied to "ALC88" sound driver\kernel module.
I am unable to determine package name to file a bug report.
All information I have is this syslog from previous boot. Got it with
"journalctl -b -1"
>From what I can tell it could be alsa, or pulseaudio, or kernel, or one
of its modules.
 cut 
авг 25 20:45:59 fortune kernel: alsa-sink-ALC88: Corrupted page table at
address 7f018fe0
авг 25 20:45:59 fortune kernel: PGD 442eb9067
авг 25 20:45:59 fortune kernel: PUD 423196067
авг 25 20:45:59 fortune kernel: PMD 80045fae08e7
 cut 
авг 25 20:45:59 fortune kernel: sched: RT throttling activated
авг 25 20:45:59 fortune kernel: BUG: unable to handle kernel paging
request at fffeffa0005f
авг 25 20:45:59 fortune kernel: IP: [] 0xfffeee19a725
авг 25 20:45:59 fortune kernel: PGD 346a0a067
авг 25 20:45:59 fortune kernel: PUD 0
авг 25 20:45:59 fortune kernel:
авг 25 20:45:59 fortune kernel: Oops:  [#2] SMP
 cut 
авг 25 20:46:33 fortune kernel: kernel BUG at
/build/linux-me40Ry/linux-4.9.30/mm/slab.c:2981!
авг 25 20:46:33 fortune kernel: invalid opcode:  [#3] SMP
 cut 
авг 25 20:46:33 fortune kernel: NMI watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#2
stuck for 22s! [psensor:1185]

 cut 

Re: I need help

[David Wright]

On Sat 20 Feb 2016 at 03:34:43 (+1300), Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 09:09:54PM -0600, David Wright wrote:
> > On Wed 17 Feb 2016 at 18:09:03 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote:
> > > Did you notice I said PAPER tap, not magnetic ;>
> > 
> > Sorry about the typo; my fingers have had a decade of typing 9-track
> > (for magnetic) since their decade of typing 8-track (for punched
> > paper) tape.
> 
> I'm fairly sure there were 8 track cartridges which you could play in
> your car, a few years ago now though.

This was mainly in the US I believe. (I'm surprised they could
withstand the temperatures in cars.) The UK tended towards cassettes.
In any case, not something I would have written or typed about.

Cheers,
David.

Re: I need help

[Chris Bannister]

On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 09:09:54PM -0600, David Wright wrote:
> On Wed 17 Feb 2016 at 18:09:03 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote:
> > On 2/17/2016 5:34 PM, David Wright wrote:
> > >On Wed 17 Feb 2016 at 14:07:30 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote:
> > >>[snip]
> > >>>Depends on what you consider to be 'fast'. Is 120K/s fast?
> > >
> > >This laptop has 2255 packages on it, the total download size of which
> > >is about 3GB. At a throughput of 120KB/s, that'd be about 7 hours.
> > >The base system is nothing like that size of course, and you can build
> > >up the system gradually. Just make sure to keep/backup the .deb files.
> > >
> > >>Compared to what?
> > >>I recall loading the OS from paper tape. We *DID* have a high speed
> > >>reader after all 
> > >
> > >That'd be about 1KB/s with 9-track perhaps.
> > 
> > Did you notice I said PAPER tap, not magnetic ;>
> 
> Sorry about the typo; my fingers have had a decade of typing 9-track
> (for magnetic) since their decade of typing 8-track (for punched
> paper) tape.

I'm fairly sure there were 8 track cartridges which you could play in
your car, a few years ago now though.

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: I need help

[Chris Bannister]

On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 11:02:48AM -0800, Gary Roach wrote:
> On 02/16/2016 09:53 PM, Chris Bannister wrote:
> >On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 10:46:08AM -0500, Ric Moore wrote:
> >>It would be sweet if we didn't encourage people to post subject lines like
> >>"I need help". It helps no one else but the OP. Ric
> >If only we had a list of psychiatrists or GPs for their area.
> >
> Hay guys, give the person a break. Sound like he has little experience with
> the open source community. Helpful comments instead of bashing would seem to
> be in order. Suggest they use a subject like "How to get Debian for Mack
> ..." or something. The first time on a new mailing list is usually confusing
> in it self.

Has Ghaith Etaiwi even replied? What's the bet he hasn't subscribed and
thinks he's being ignored, and now has a 'bad' opinion about Debian?

I really think a "reply to list only" policy on a support list is the
final piece de resistance for many frustrated first Debian users.

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: I need help

[Darac Marjal]

On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 08:43:58PM +, Michael Fothergill wrote:



On 17 February 2016 at 13:37, Adam Wilson <[1]mox...@riseup.net> wrote:

   On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 15:51:58 +0800 Gener Badenas
   <[2]gener.ong.bade...@gmail.com> wrote:

   > On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:01 AM, Ghaith Etaiwi
   > <[3]ghaiththebes...@gmail.com> wrote:
   >
   > > Hello, I'm starting in linux I used Ubuntu and didn't like it and I
   > > have read that many people that used Debian had a better
   > > experience, I have a MacBook Pro 4GB ram/ 500HDD/Intel HD 3000/ i5
   > > 2nd generation, can it run Debian?. Also, I want to know what
   > > version of Debian to download, I saw something about DVD1, DVD2...
   > >
   >
   > You can always choose net install so it is minimal.  Then you can
   > download everything else.  I assume internet is fast in your location.

   Depends on what you consider to be 'fast'. Is 120K/s fast?


​Wouldn't a torrent file allow a a download that was quite a bit faster than
the 120 K/s​?


Bittorrent only helps with a slow server. If the limit is in the 
client's bandwidth, then connecting to multiple servers... Hmm. Normal 
HTTP streamed from multiple servers shouldn't be much different (That 
is, if it takes an hour to download 1GB from one server, it should take 
about an hour to download 4 250MB chunks from four servers), but because 
bittorrent downloads relatively small chunks, there will be a lot of 
setup and tear down of connections, so might actually end up slower.




Regds

MF






References:

[1] mailto:mox...@riseup.net
[2] mailto:gener.ong.bade...@gmail.com
[3] mailto:ghaiththebes...@gmail.com


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Re: I need help

[Gener Badenas]

On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 9:37 PM, Adam Wilson  wrote:

> On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 15:51:58 +0800 Gener Badenas
>  wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:01 AM, Ghaith Etaiwi
> >  wrote:
> >
> > > Hello, I'm starting in linux I used Ubuntu and didn't like it and I
> > > have read that many people that used Debian had a better
> > > experience, I have a MacBook Pro 4GB ram/ 500HDD/Intel HD 3000/ i5
> > > 2nd generation, can it run Debian?. Also, I want to know what
> > > version of Debian to download, I saw something about DVD1, DVD2...
> > >
> >
> > You can always choose net install so it is minimal.  Then you can
> > download everything else.  I assume internet is fast in your location.
>
> Depends on what you consider to be 'fast'. Is 120K/s fast?
>

That is true, speed is relative to a person's tolerance.




-- 
Java  and Groovy

Re: I need help

[Michael Fothergill]

On 17 February 2016 at 13:37, Adam Wilson  wrote:

> On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 15:51:58 +0800 Gener Badenas
>  wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:01 AM, Ghaith Etaiwi
> >  wrote:
> >
> > > Hello, I'm starting in linux I used Ubuntu and didn't like it and I
> > > have read that many people that used Debian had a better
> > > experience, I have a MacBook Pro 4GB ram/ 500HDD/Intel HD 3000/ i5
> > > 2nd generation, can it run Debian?. Also, I want to know what
> > > version of Debian to download, I saw something about DVD1, DVD2...
> > >
> >
> > You can always choose net install so it is minimal.  Then you can
> > download everything else.  I assume internet is fast in your location.
>
> Depends on what you consider to be 'fast'. Is 120K/s fast?
>
> ​Wouldn't a torrent file allow a a download that was quite a bit faster
than the 120 K/s​?

Regds

MF

Re: I need help

[Gary Roach]

On 02/16/2016 09:53 PM, Chris Bannister wrote:

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 10:46:08AM -0500, Ric Moore wrote:

It would be sweet if we didn't encourage people to post subject lines like
"I need help". It helps no one else but the OP. Ric

If only we had a list of psychiatrists or GPs for their area.

Hay guys, give the person a break. Sound like he has little experience 
with the open source community. Helpful comments instead of bashing 
would seem to be in order. Suggest they use a subject like "How to get 
Debian for Mack ..." or something. The first time on a new mailing list 
is usually confusing in it self.


Gary R.

Re: I need help

[Ric Moore]

On 02/17/2016 03:07 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 2/17/2016 7:37 AM, Adam Wilson wrote:

On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 15:51:58 +0800 Gener Badenas
 wrote:


On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:01 AM, Ghaith Etaiwi
 wrote:


Hello, I'm starting in linux I used Ubuntu and didn't like it and I
have read that many people that used Debian had a better
experience, I have a MacBook Pro 4GB ram/ 500HDD/Intel HD 3000/ i5
2nd generation, can it run Debian?. Also, I want to know what
version of Debian to download, I saw something about DVD1, DVD2...



You can always choose net install so it is minimal.  Then you can
download everything else.  I assume internet is fast in your location.


Depends on what you consider to be 'fast'. Is 120K/s fast?


Compared to what?
I recall loading the OS from paper tape. We *DID* have a high speed
reader after all 

More seriously use https://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ to select an
appropriate vendor. I originally did that because all the connectivity I
had was a 56k dial-up line. I'm now have selected a cell network based
service with low data cap. For my peculiar personal usage I find it
reasonable to pay for the convenience of a complete set of DVD's once
per major release (will order Jessie soon ;)


While I was on hughesnet, I ordered DVD's from vendors. If you get the 
three DVD set you'll have all you could want. Ric



--
My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html

Re: I need help

[Ric Moore]

On 02/17/2016 12:56 AM, Chris Bannister wrote:

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 06:29:06PM +, Michael Fothergill wrote:


​If you want to do that I think you need to have some examples of sensible
posts and silly ones for new subscribers to scan through before they become
debian debutantes

Perhaps we could use popular song titles e.g. the Beatles "Help" song and
the Rolling Stones ​"You Can't Always Get What You Want" etc.


or even "Satisfaction" :)


I tend towards "Jesus built my hotrod". :) Ric


--
My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html

Re: I need help

[David Wright]

On Wed 17 Feb 2016 at 18:09:03 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 2/17/2016 5:34 PM, David Wright wrote:
> >On Wed 17 Feb 2016 at 14:07:30 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote:
> >>[snip]
> >>>Depends on what you consider to be 'fast'. Is 120K/s fast?
> >
> >This laptop has 2255 packages on it, the total download size of which
> >is about 3GB. At a throughput of 120KB/s, that'd be about 7 hours.
> >The base system is nothing like that size of course, and you can build
> >up the system gradually. Just make sure to keep/backup the .deb files.
> >
> >>Compared to what?
> >>I recall loading the OS from paper tape. We *DID* have a high speed
> >>reader after all 
> >
> >That'd be about 1KB/s with 9-track perhaps.
> 
> Did you notice I said PAPER tap, not magnetic ;>

Sorry about the typo; my fingers have had a decade of typing 9-track
(for magnetic) since their decade of typing 8-track (for punched
paper) tape.

We were reading 8-track punched paper tape at 1000cps through the
1970s on an ocean-going IBM 1130. The readers were very compact and
worked by capacitance. They were much slower than Colossus's readers
in WW2, but had an impressive ability to stop the tape dead instantly.

I don't know what sort of high speed your reader could achieve.

> >>More seriously use https://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ to select an
> >>appropriate vendor. I originally did that because all the
> >>connectivity I had was a 56k dial-up line.
> >
> >That's bits/s of course, and not even a throughput either.
> 
> Your point?

Dropping from 120,000 bytes/s to perhaps 20x slower on dial-up
makes purchasing the entire distribution on DVDs very sensible.
An installation started at bedtime and finished by morning on
broadband would become longer than the working week on dial-up.

So my point was that while netinst and downloading were quite
impractical in your former situation, 120K/s could well be
sufficient for some people to rely on.

Cheers,
David.

Re: I need help

[Richard Owlett]

On 2/17/2016 5:34 PM, David Wright wrote:

On Wed 17 Feb 2016 at 14:07:30 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote:

[snip]

Depends on what you consider to be 'fast'. Is 120K/s fast?


This laptop has 2255 packages on it, the total download size of which
is about 3GB. At a throughput of 120KB/s, that'd be about 7 hours.
The base system is nothing like that size of course, and you can build
up the system gradually. Just make sure to keep/backup the .deb files.


Compared to what?
I recall loading the OS from paper tape. We *DID* have a high speed
reader after all 


That'd be about 1KB/s with 9-track perhaps.


Did you notice I said PAPER tap, not magnetic ;>



More seriously use https://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ to select an
appropriate vendor. I originally did that because all the
connectivity I had was a 56k dial-up line.


That's bits/s of course, and not even a throughput either.


Your point? 


Cheers,
David.

Re: I need help

[David Wright]

On Wed 17 Feb 2016 at 14:07:30 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 2/17/2016 7:37 AM, Adam Wilson wrote:
> >On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 15:51:58 +0800 Gener Badenas
> > wrote:
> >
> >>On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:01 AM, Ghaith Etaiwi
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Hello, I'm starting in linux I used Ubuntu and didn't like it and I
> >>>have read that many people that used Debian had a better
> >>>experience, I have a MacBook Pro 4GB ram/ 500HDD/Intel HD 3000/ i5
> >>>2nd generation, can it run Debian?. Also, I want to know what
> >>>version of Debian to download, I saw something about DVD1, DVD2...
> >>>
> >>
> >>You can always choose net install so it is minimal.  Then you can
> >>download everything else.  I assume internet is fast in your location.
> >
> >Depends on what you consider to be 'fast'. Is 120K/s fast?

This laptop has 2255 packages on it, the total download size of which
is about 3GB. At a throughput of 120KB/s, that'd be about 7 hours.
The base system is nothing like that size of course, and you can build
up the system gradually. Just make sure to keep/backup the .deb files.

> Compared to what?
> I recall loading the OS from paper tape. We *DID* have a high speed
> reader after all 

That'd be about 1KB/s with 9-track perhaps.

> More seriously use https://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ to select an
> appropriate vendor. I originally did that because all the
> connectivity I had was a 56k dial-up line.

That's bits/s of course, and not even a throughput either.

Cheers,
David.

Re: I need help

[Richard Owlett]

On 2/17/2016 7:37 AM, Adam Wilson wrote:

On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 15:51:58 +0800 Gener Badenas
 wrote:


On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:01 AM, Ghaith Etaiwi
 wrote:


Hello, I'm starting in linux I used Ubuntu and didn't like it and I
have read that many people that used Debian had a better
experience, I have a MacBook Pro 4GB ram/ 500HDD/Intel HD 3000/ i5
2nd generation, can it run Debian?. Also, I want to know what
version of Debian to download, I saw something about DVD1, DVD2...



You can always choose net install so it is minimal.  Then you can
download everything else.  I assume internet is fast in your location.


Depends on what you consider to be 'fast'. Is 120K/s fast?


Compared to what?
I recall loading the OS from paper tape. We *DID* have a high 
speed reader after all 


More seriously use https://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ to select 
an appropriate vendor. I originally did that because all the 
connectivity I had was a 56k dial-up line. I'm now have selected 
a cell network based service with low data cap. For my peculiar 
personal usage I find it reasonable to pay for the convenience of 
a complete set of DVD's once per major release (will order Jessie 
soon ;)

Re: I need help

[Adam Wilson]

On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 15:51:58 +0800 Gener Badenas
 wrote:

> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:01 AM, Ghaith Etaiwi
>  wrote:
> 
> > Hello, I'm starting in linux I used Ubuntu and didn't like it and I
> > have read that many people that used Debian had a better
> > experience, I have a MacBook Pro 4GB ram/ 500HDD/Intel HD 3000/ i5
> > 2nd generation, can it run Debian?. Also, I want to know what
> > version of Debian to download, I saw something about DVD1, DVD2...
> >
> 
> You can always choose net install so it is minimal.  Then you can
> download everything else.  I assume internet is fast in your location.

Depends on what you consider to be 'fast'. Is 120K/s fast?

Re: I need help

[Gener Badenas]

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:01 AM, Ghaith Etaiwi 
wrote:

> Hello, I'm starting in linux I used Ubuntu and didn't like it and I have
> read that many people that used Debian had a better experience, I have a
> MacBook Pro 4GB ram/ 500HDD/Intel HD 3000/ i5 2nd generation, can it run
> Debian?. Also, I want to know what version of Debian to download, I saw
> something about DVD1, DVD2...
>

You can always choose net install so it is minimal.  Then you can download
everything else.  I assume internet is fast in your location.


> etc which one should I get and whats the difference between them?
>



-- 
Java  and Groovy

Re: I need help

[Chris Bannister]

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 06:29:06PM +, Michael Fothergill wrote:
> 
> ​If you want to do that I think you need to have some examples of sensible
> posts and silly ones for new subscribers to scan through before they become
> debian debutantes
> 
> Perhaps we could use popular song titles e.g. the Beatles "Help" song and
> the Rolling Stones ​"You Can't Always Get What You Want" etc.

or even "Satisfaction" :)

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: I need help

[Chris Bannister]

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 10:46:08AM -0500, Ric Moore wrote:
> 
> It would be sweet if we didn't encourage people to post subject lines like
> "I need help". It helps no one else but the OP. Ric

If only we had a list of psychiatrists or GPs for their area.

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: I need help

[Tim McDonough]

Always good ideas for asking for help...



T

Re: I need help, install Debian on Macbook pro intel

[err404]

> On 2/10/2016 6:01 PM, Ghaith Etaiwi wrote:
> (...) I have a MacBook Pro 4GB ram/ 500HDD/Intel HD 3000/ i5 2nd generation, 
> can it run Debian?

I recently installed Net Install Debian testing on Macbook pro Intel.

All work fine but:
My friend report a short life time on battery, and he become hot, I should 
check for optimisation in batery.
I need to adapt keymap, actualy is a standard azerty keymap, but apple choosed 
not standard azerty.
(this is not a real problem, we can found many example for exotic keymap on the 
web)



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Re: I need help, install Debian on Macbook pro intel

[Adam Wilson]

On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 09:56:01 +0100 err...@free.fr wrote:

> I need to adapt keymap,
> actualy is a standard azerty keymap, but apple choosed not standard
> azerty. (this is not a real problem, we can found many example for
> exotic keymap on the web)

Can't you just select a different software keymap or customise your
current keymap in the settings for your desktop environment?

Re: I need help

[Ric Moore]

It would be sweet if we didn't encourage people to post subject lines 
like "I need help". It helps no one else but the OP. Ric



--
My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html

Re: I need help

[Michael Fothergill]

On 12 February 2016 at 17:48, Bret Busby  wrote:

> On 12/02/2016, Ric Moore  wrote:
> >
> > It would be sweet if we didn't encourage people to post subject lines
> > like "I need help". It helps no one else but the OP. Ric
> >
>
> Quite agree.
>
> "I need help" also happens to sound like a spam message subject line,
> quite appart from it lacking any indication of a problem description.
>
> And, "I need help" better applies to "I need help" to stop people
> posting messages with useless subject lines like "I need nelp".
>
> I suggest that this mailing list be changed to a mailing list to which
> only subscribers can post (to reduce spam and other malicious messages
> - "click on this link, so I can breach your system..."), and that, on
> the web page from whence people can subscribe to the list, or, that
> gives instructions of how to subscribe to the list, and, in the
> "welcome to the list" message that is sent to the subscribers,
> inclusion of a recommendation for people posting queries to the list,
> to use informative Subject line contents, such as " version> -  -  description>", so as to facilitate and expedite responses, could be
> useful, so as to get subject lines like "Debian woozy - synaptic -
> screen does not stop flashing", or, "Debian 7 - screensaver - crashes
> system", which could make the whole experience better for everyone, so
> that people who have some knowledge of the applicable distribution
> version, and, package, may have seen the particular problem, and have
> the solution, and, be inclined to read the rest of the message and
> post a possible solution, rather than dismissiing a "I need help"
> message as appearing to be one of those, where the appropriate
> response would be "It is a CD/DVD drive, not a coffee mug holder", or,
> "You are not supposed to use a tablet PC to take underwater
> photographs without some kind of waterproof casing".
>

​If you want to do that I think you need to have some examples of sensible
posts and silly ones for new subscribers to scan through before they become
debian debutantes

Perhaps we could use popular song titles e.g. the Beatles "Help" song and
the Rolling Stones ​"You Can't Always Get What You Want" etc.

MF



>
> --
>
> Bret Busby
> Armadale
> West Australia
>
> ..
>
> "So once you do know what the question actually is,
>  you'll know what the answer means."
> - Deep Thought,
>  Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
>  "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
>  A Trilogy In Four Parts",
>  written by Douglas Adams,
>  published by Pan Books, 1992
>
> 
>
>

Re: I need help

[tomas]

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On Sat, Feb 13, 2016 at 01:48:34AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
> On 12/02/2016, Ric Moore  wrote:
> >
> > It would be sweet if we didn't encourage people to post subject lines
> > like "I need help". It helps no one else but the OP. Ric
> >
> 
> Quite agree.
> 
> "I need help" also happens to sound like a spam message subject line,
> quite appart from it lacking any indication of a problem description.

So far so good. This looks like useful feedback.

> And, "I need help" better applies to "I need help" to stop people
> posting messages with useless subject lines like "I need nelp".

This looks like unnecessary, gratuitous bashing. It looks like
venting of frustration. I'd suggest (look, ma: no imperatives)
to just let it be. This list is here to help each other and even
(gasp!) newbies. If you don't feel like helping that's OK.
Don't help, then.

> I suggest that this mailing list be changed to a mailing list to which
> only subscribers can post [...]

Luckily it ain't so. By design.

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Re: I need help

[Bret Busby]

On 12/02/2016, Ric Moore  wrote:
>
> It would be sweet if we didn't encourage people to post subject lines
> like "I need help". It helps no one else but the OP. Ric
>

Quite agree.

"I need help" also happens to sound like a spam message subject line,
quite appart from it lacking any indication of a problem description.

And, "I need help" better applies to "I need help" to stop people
posting messages with useless subject lines like "I need nelp".

I suggest that this mailing list be changed to a mailing list to which
only subscribers can post (to reduce spam and other malicious messages
- "click on this link, so I can breach your system..."), and that, on
the web page from whence people can subscribe to the list, or, that
gives instructions of how to subscribe to the list, and, in the
"welcome to the list" message that is sent to the subscribers,
inclusion of a recommendation for people posting queries to the list,
to use informative Subject line contents, such as " -  - ", so as to facilitate and expedite responses, could be
useful, so as to get subject lines like "Debian woozy - synaptic -
screen does not stop flashing", or, "Debian 7 - screensaver - crashes
system", which could make the whole experience better for everyone, so
that people who have some knowledge of the applicable distribution
version, and, package, may have seen the particular problem, and have
the solution, and, be inclined to read the rest of the message and
post a possible solution, rather than dismissiing a "I need help"
message as appearing to be one of those, where the appropriate
response would be "It is a CD/DVD drive, not a coffee mug holder", or,
"You are not supposed to use a tablet PC to take underwater
photographs without some kind of waterproof casing".

-- 

Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia

..

"So once you do know what the question actually is,
 you'll know what the answer means."
- Deep Thought,
 Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
 "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
 A Trilogy In Four Parts",
 written by Douglas Adams,
 published by Pan Books, 1992

Re: I need help

[Lisi Reisz]

On Friday 12 February 2016 17:58:06 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > And, "I need help" better applies to "I need help" to stop people
> > posting messages with useless subject lines like "I need nelp".
>
> This looks like unnecessary, gratuitous bashing. It looks like
> venting of frustration. I'd suggest (look, ma: no imperatives)

:-) ;-)

> to just let it be. This list is here to help each other and even
> (gasp!) newbies. If you don't feel like helping that's OK.
> Don't help, then.

The main argument is that it is less helpful to the enquirer.  A subject line 
needs to tell people what help is needed, as has been said, in order to 
maximise the help and attract those who are likely to be able to be helpful.

Anyone who just doesn't like it, has a delete key.  

The rest of us could actually, now I think of it, change the subject line to 
something more indicative - and I shall try to do so in future, provided, of 
course, that I understand the question. ;-)

Lisi

Re: I need help

[tomas]

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On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 06:44:47PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Friday 12 February 2016 17:58:06 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > > And, "I need help" better applies to "I need help" to stop people
> > > posting messages with useless subject lines like "I need nelp".
> >
> > This looks like unnecessary, gratuitous bashing. It looks like
> > venting of frustration. I'd suggest (look, ma: no imperatives)
> 
> :-) ;-)

Glad it amused you :-)

> > to just let it be. This list is here to help each other and even
> > (gasp!) newbies. If you don't feel like helping that's OK.
> > Don't help, then.
> 
> The main argument is that it is less helpful to the enquirer.  A subject line 
> needs to tell people what help is needed, as has been said, in order to 
> maximise the help and attract those who are likely to be able to be helpful.

Yes, I fully agree with that. This was my "so far, so good" part -- it
wasn't just a rethorical point.

> Anyone who just doesn't like it, has a delete key.  
> 
> The rest of us could actually, now I think of it, change the subject line to 
> something more indicative - and I shall try to do so in future, provided, of 
> course, that I understand the question. ;-)

This is a very good idea. I'll try to do it like this in the future.

Thanks!

- -- tomás
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Re: I need help

[Tim McDonough]

On 2/10/2016 6:01 PM, Ghaith Etaiwi wrote:
Hello, I'm starting in linux I used Ubuntu and didn't like it and I 
have read that many people that used Debian had a better experience, I 
have a MacBook Pro 4GB ram/ 500HDD/Intel HD 3000/ i5 2nd generation, 
can it run Debian?. Also, I want to know what version of Debian to 
download, I saw something about DVD1, DVD2...etc which one should I 
get and whats the difference between them?


I can't comment on the Mac since I do not use one.

My preference when installing Debian is to get the "Net Install" 
version. It uses a single DVD/CD and downloads the items you select as 
it runs. The versions with the multiple DVDs have the bulk of the 
software on them and are a good choice if you need to install without 
Internet access.

Re: I need help

[Me]

Le jeudi 11 février 2016 à 02:01 +0200, Ghaith Etaiwi a écrit :
> I have a MacBook Pro 4GB ram/ 500HDD/Intel HD 3000/ i5 2nd generation,
> can it run Debian?

Yes, probably.

>  Also, I want to know what version of Debian to download, I saw
> something about DVD1, DVD2...etc which one should I get and whats the
> difference between them?

The DVDs are really large images that contain all the packages in Debian
repositories. You don't need them, I think they are useful for
installing Debian offline.

Unless you read otherwise, I think you should download the image on the
debian.org homepage.

I didn't read the wiki and I don't have a MacBook, so you should read
this before doing anything :
https://wiki.debian.org/MacBook
https://wiki.debian.org/MacBook#Install_Debian (if you just want to
install)
https://wiki.debian.org/MacBookPro (for things specific to the MacBook
Pro)

Good luck !

Re: I need help

[Steve Witt]

On Thu, 11 Feb 2016, Ghaith Etaiwi wrote:


Hello, I'm starting in linux I used Ubuntu and didn't like it and I have
read that many people that used Debian had a better experience, I have a
MacBook Pro 4GB ram/ 500HDD/Intel HD 3000/ i5 2nd generation, can it run
Debian?. Also, I want to know what version of Debian to download, I saw
something about DVD1, DVD2...etc which one should I get and whats the
difference between them?



I have no direct experience with this but there is information on the 
Debian wiki about installing Debian on a Macbook Pro. It is at 



I've used Linux for many years now both at home and at work. I very much 
prefer Debian, use it at home and on any computers at work that I control. 
But I've had to use Ubuntu, Red Hat, and SUSE at work also. Although I 
don't perfer Ubuntu, I have to say that for inexperienced users, it can be 
a little more friendly than Debian. For example, if you try to run an 
application that isn't installed, Debian gives you a 'file not found' 
error. Ubuntu will advise you to install the package that provides that 
application with the package manager. And in the end, all of these are 
Linux distributions, the applications available are basically the same and 
the user experience is pretty similar. There are differences in system 
administration, where config files are kept, etc. Ubuntu does have their 
rather different desktop manager, Unity, which I don't like, but that is 
a very subjective opinion.


I wonder what it was about Ubuntu that you didn't like? Did you actually 
install it on your Macbook?

Re: I need help reconfiguring Mutt to work with msmtp

[låzaro]

try something like this in your .msmtprc:


defaults
logfile ~/.msmtp.log

# el bufete LEX
account lex
host mail.lex-sa.cu
from pec1...@gmail.com
auth on
tls on
tls_certcheck off
user pec11xx
password yourpassword


if do not work in that way, try adding the @gmail.com after the username...


Thread name: Re: I need help reconfiguring Mutt to work with msmtp 
Mail number: 2 
Date: Wed, Jun 19, 2013 
In reply to: John L. Cunningham 

 On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 04:47:02PM -0600, paul e condon wrote:
  The error messages from Mutt when I press 'y' to send, are;
  
  Error sending message, child exited 65 (Data format error.).
  msmtp: recipient address pec1...@gmail.com not accepted by the server
  msmtp: server message: 550 Recipient Rejected: Relay not allowed
  msmtp: could not send mail (account default from /home/pec/.msmtprc)
  
  I am deliberately setting 'auth off', because after much painful
  investigation, I have determined that my ISP does NOT accept
  encrypted passwords. The email that I am attempting to send is (from
  the postponed file):
 
 I doubt your ISP is going to let you use their SMTP server without
 authentication. Very few people are running open relays these days. If
 auth on doesn't work, try auth plain or auth login, but be aware
 that you will be sending your password in the clear.  Does you're ISP
 have any instructions on setting up email for different mail clients
 like Outlook or Thunderbird?  You can usually get the information you
 need to get STARTTLS working from that.
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Re: I need help reconfiguring Mutt to work with msmtp

[John L. Cunningham]

On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 04:47:02PM -0600, paul e condon wrote:
 The error messages from Mutt when I press 'y' to send, are;
 
 Error sending message, child exited 65 (Data format error.).
 msmtp: recipient address pec1...@gmail.com not accepted by the server
 msmtp: server message: 550 Recipient Rejected: Relay not allowed
 msmtp: could not send mail (account default from /home/pec/.msmtprc)
 
 I am deliberately setting 'auth off', because after much painful
 investigation, I have determined that my ISP does NOT accept
 encrypted passwords. The email that I am attempting to send is (from
 the postponed file):

I doubt your ISP is going to let you use their SMTP server without
authentication. Very few people are running open relays these days. If
auth on doesn't work, try auth plain or auth login, but be aware
that you will be sending your password in the clear.  Does you're ISP
have any instructions on setting up email for different mail clients
like Outlook or Thunderbird?  You can usually get the information you
need to get STARTTLS working from that.
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Re: I need help reconfiguring Mutt to work with msmtp

[Olaf Lessenich]

Hi Paul!

On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 16:47:02 -0600, paul e condon wrote:
 Is there something else than .muttrc and .msmtprc that must be configured?

Is there a specific reason why you would prefer msmtp over mutt's
built-in* smtp functionality)

* http://wiki.debian.org/Mutt#Sending_E-Mail_with_Mutt

Regards,
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Re: I need help reconfiguring Mutt to work with msmtp

[paul e condon]

On 06/19/2013 05:31 PM, Olaf Lessenich wrote:

Hi Paul!

On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 16:47:02 -0600, paul e condon wrote:

Is there something else than .muttrc and .msmtprc that must be configured?


Is there a specific reason why you would prefer msmtp over mutt's
built-in* smtp functionality)

* http://wiki.debian.org/Mutt#Sending_E-Mail_with_Mutt

Regards,
Olaf




According to my research, in Wheezy, Mutt's 'built-in' functionality is 
a link to msmtp, but ... I'm may be mistaken. It may be that the Debian 
web pages that I read are coming from some alternative universe.



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Re: I need help reconfiguring Mutt to work with msmtp

[Olaf Lessenich]

On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 17:45:30 -0600, paul e condon wrote:
 According to my research, in Wheezy, Mutt's 'built-in' functionality
 is a link to msmtp, but ... I'm may be mistaken. It may be that the
 Debian web pages that I read are coming from some alternative
 universe.

No, I do not think there is such a dependency/link/whatsoever. Please
provide a source for this claim.

Olaf


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Re: I need help reconfiguring Mutt to work with msmtp [SOLVED]

[paul e condon]

On 06/19/2013 05:28 PM, John L. Cunningham wrote:

On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 04:47:02PM -0600, paul e condon wrote:

The error messages from Mutt when I press 'y' to send, are;

Error sending message, child exited 65 (Data format error.).
msmtp: recipient address pec1...@gmail.com not accepted by the server
msmtp: server message: 550 Recipient Rejected: Relay not allowed
msmtp: could not send mail (account default from /home/pec/.msmtprc)

I am deliberately setting 'auth off', because after much painful
investigation, I have determined that my ISP does NOT accept
encrypted passwords. The email that I am attempting to send is (from
the postponed file):


I doubt your ISP is going to let you use their SMTP server without
authentication. Very few people are running open relays these days. If
auth on doesn't work, try auth plain or auth login, but be aware


Changing to auth login and adding a password xxx ( w/o hash mark ) 
has fixed the problem.



that you will be sending your password in the clear.  Does you're ISP
have any instructions on setting up email for different mail clients
like Outlook or Thunderbird?  You can usually get the information you
need to get STARTTLS working from that.


Thanks for pointing out the error in my config, especially so quickly.
Cheers,
Paul


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Re: I need help with setting up my first samba server.

[Gary Dale]

On 15/03/13 06:45 PM, Paul E Condon wrote:

I think I have an OK understanding of the 'theory' of samba,
but something is not working in practice.

I have a small home LAN on which there are three Debian i386 boxes,
one Windows laptop running Windows7, and five Macs of various models.
All nine computers have access to the internet through a Netgear
router. The Windows laptop and four of the Macs use an Apple Airport
to get into the LAN via wireless, and then out to the Internet via
the Netgear box. This is non-optimal but has worked quite reliably
for family shared Internet access, but now there is a need for file
sharing all these types of computers Debian/Mac/Windows. For this
new (to me) function, I think making one of my Debian boxes a Samba
server is the easiest way to go. But I am having a problem, or maybe
several problems.

I know how to install Debian packages. I've been doing it for almost
a decade. But something is missing in my understanding of how to
configure Samba for service in this situation. I have choosen to try
to work on the connection of the Windows laptop first as I suppose
it has the most 'authentic' implementation of a smb client. My
problem is I think with smb passwords. I can't seem to get smbpassword
to create records in an smb password database. I think I am supposed
to run smbpassword as root on the Debian box that I want to be the
samba server. Or perhaps as a user of that Debian box.

When I attempt to set a root password I get:

Failed to find entry for user root.

And when I attempt to set a user password I get:

machine 127.0.0.1 rejected the negotiate protocol. Error was : 
NT_STATUS_INVALID_NETWORK_RESPONSE.

Also, when I restart samba after making changes to /etc/samba/smb.conf I get a 
notice that the daemon,
smbd, was not found. And when I check the status with /etc/init.d/samba status, 
I'm told that
smbd is running but nmbd is NOT running.

/etc/samba/smb.conf is:

snipped out

Ideas?
TIA

First off, take deep breath then wipe out your current samba 
installation (apt-get purge samba). Make sure you don't have any samba 
stuff left then reinstall the package.


The default setup works fairly well. Go to the Samba by example 
documents and follow the setup for a basic small office server 
(http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-Guide/small.html) but try not 
to change things too much. Just do the very least that it takes to get 
Windows 7 domain groups, etc. working. This is more important than smb.conf.


Windows 7 does not work with Samba by default. You need to google 
something like Windows 7 samba registry to get the two registry 
changes that Windows 7 requires.



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Re: I need help with setting up my first samba server.

[Stan Hoeppner]

Hi Paul,

Don't know if you remember me.  I helped you get your wireless working
up there on the mountain, quite some time ago.

On 3/15/2013 5:45 PM, Paul E Condon wrote:
 I think I have an OK understanding of the 'theory' of samba,
 but something is not working in practice.

There's not much theory to it, but a lot of practical.

 I have choosen to try
 to work on the connection of the Windows laptop first as I suppose
 it has the most 'authentic' implementation of a smb client. My

This doesn't matter.  It's the server side UNIX account and Samba config
that matters.

 problem is I think with smb passwords. I can't seem to get smbpassword
 to create records in an smb password database. I think I am supposed
 to run smbpassword as root on the Debian box that I want to be the
 samba server. Or perhaps as a user of that Debian box.
 
 When I attempt to set a root password I get:

See here's your problem.  You don't yet understand the relationship
between UNIX user accounts and Samba.  In fact you don't yet understand
UNIX user accounts at all.  Look here:

http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/who-goes-there-understanding-permissions-in-unix.html

Every client connection to Samba requires a username and password, and
these are mapped directly to UNIX usernames and passwords.  Ergo...

You should have a user account named paul on the Debian box running
Samba.  Paul should be assigned to groups, and should have a home
directory.  When you connect from an SMB client, you supply the user
name paul and the UNIX password for paul.  If you setup your shares
correctly, you will have access to all files and directories on the
server which paul has access to.

In short, every user connecting to Samba needs a local UNIX account on
the Samba box.  You *DO NOT* connect as root.  If you don't want to
create UNIX users on the Samba box, then you must go the guest route.
 All of this is covered in this very detailed document:

http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/ch09.html

Setting up shares and getting access to the files and dirs under them
via Samba is much more complicated than setting up MS Windows shares.
That's because UNIX is designed for security.  Windows is designed for
ease of use.

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Re: I need help with XF86Config-4 :-(

[Kent West]

Sammy wrote:

I cannot find anywhere online what the config should be for my PowerBook G4 
(1.67GHz) with Radeon 9700 should be. I can't work the trackpad. All I get 
is a screen with X in the middle once I run startx. Where am I going wrong? 
Sorry, new user :S 
 

The gray screen indicates that the X server is running; you just aren't 
running any clients, such as a window manager.


Try aptitude install icewm or aptitude install kde to install a 
window manager/environment.


I don't know enough about Debian on Mac to help with the trackpad.

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Re: , I need help...

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Re: I need help with TeX administration on Debian Sarge

[s. keeling]

Incoming from Paul E Condon:
 I am not a TeX expert. I have books and I am searching the Web. I found
 a package that is supposed to do a thing that I want, namely newsletr.
 I want to install it on my Sarge system, which already has tetex package
 installed and running. But I can't figure out what to do in order to
 the TeX package, newsletr, into tetex the Debian way. The instructions
 from ctan.org on managing a one-person TeX system seem to assume a starting
 point in the TeX config files that differs from what was set up by aptitude.
 I can't make out what I really need to do, and I'm almost certain that
 Debian tetex package eliminates the need for steps that are required for
 non-Debian tetex users, but what steps?  Where can I find help that is
 specific to the Debian package? Where can I just find documentation that
 has been edited to reflect Debian package reality?

/usr/share/doc is usually where the Debian stuff is.  Does newsletr
exist as a Debian package?  I run woody and I can't see one.  Try:

aptitude update  aptitude search newsletr

If it's there, just install it.  Perhaps there's a newsletr-doc
package too?

I would image using it is as simple as /documentclass{newsletr} or
some such.  btw, it's been a while since I used TeX/LaTeX, so I could
be misinformed ...


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Re: I need help with TeX administration on Debian Sarge

[Aurélien Campéas]

Le mardi 03 mai 2005 à 11:16 -0600, Paul E Condon a écrit :
 I am not a TeX expert. I have books and I am searching the Web. I found
 a package that is supposed to do a thing that I want, namely newsletr.
 I want to install it on my Sarge system, which already has tetex package
 installed and running. But I can't figure out what to do in order to
 the TeX package, newsletr, into tetex the Debian way.

hmmm, when there is no glowing debian way, the normal way applies ...

  The instructions
 from ctan.org on managing a one-person TeX system seem to assume a starting
 point in the TeX config files that differs from what was set up by aptitude.

which point ? please give details

 I can't make out what I really need to do, and I'm almost certain that
 Debian tetex package eliminates the need for steps that are required for
 non-Debian tetex users, but what steps?
 Where can I find help that is
 specific to the Debian package? Where can I just find documentation that
 has been edited to reflect Debian package reality?
 
 Please give pointers to the real Debian stuff.

please give information on how the ctan stuff differs from the debian
directory or conf file layout, most of the time, Debian is *very*
conforming to this kind of stuff (yeah, how precise is this !)

BTW, there is a simple series of steps to do a single user install of
any .sty file :
- create a ~/texmf/tex dir
- put you newsletr.sty file into it
- run texhash

enjoy

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Re: I need help with TeX administration on Debian Sarge

[Paul E Condon]

On Tue, May 03, 2005 at 08:05:44PM +0200, Aur?lien Camp?as wrote:
 Le mardi 03 mai 2005 ? 11:16 -0600, Paul E Condon a ?crit :
  I am not a TeX expert. I have books and I am searching the Web. I found
  a package that is supposed to do a thing that I want, namely newsletr.
  I want to install it on my Sarge system, which already has tetex package
  installed and running. But I can't figure out what to do in order to
  the TeX package, newsletr, into tetex the Debian way.
 
 hmmm, when there is no glowing debian way, the normal way applies ...
 
   The instructions
  from ctan.org on managing a one-person TeX system seem to assume a starting
  point in the TeX config files that differs from what was set up by aptitude.
 
 which point ? please give details

There are a number of auxilliary directory trees that are not mentioned in 
the tug instructions, but I think I'm beginning to understand a little.

 
  I can't make out what I really need to do, and I'm almost certain that
  Debian tetex package eliminates the need for steps that are required for
  non-Debian tetex users, but what steps?
  Where can I find help that is
  specific to the Debian package? Where can I just find documentation that
  has been edited to reflect Debian package reality?
  
  Please give pointers to the real Debian stuff.
 
 please give information on how the ctan stuff differs from the debian
 directory or conf file layout, most of the time, Debian is *very*
 conforming to this kind of stuff (yeah, how precise is this !)
 
 BTW, there is a simple series of steps to do a single user install of
 any .sty file :
 - create a ~/texmf/tex dir
 - put you newsletr.sty file into it
 - run texhash
 

The above really is a great help. It eliminates a number of
goofy ideas as to what the official documentation means. And confirms
that Debian allows individual users to have their own stuff from CTAN 
in their own user space, which isn't mentioned in tug one-person document.

Actually, there is not a .sty file in newsletr.tar.gz, but there is
a .tex file that contained a number of macros and an explanation in a
read.me that the author preferred to write in pure TeX and to ignore
LaTeX. And, there is a sample newsletter in which I found the codes that
forced TeX to read the macros. It is all working and beginning to make
sense to me. 
 
Thanks.

AND, a really sensible question that I just thought of: Are there any
pre-defined layouts along the lines of 'article' that are particularly
appropriate for small scale news-letters but don't have names that are
found on a search on the string 'news', news-letters such as might be
published by a local book club, or political action group? Any
suggestions would be much appreciated.

Thanks, again.

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Re: I need help.

[Ron Johnson]

On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 21:13 +0800, Mole lord wrote:
 Hello all,
 
 My name is Cameron Ball, and i've recently had an interest in linux. 
 I've downloaded the Debian distro image.  And i've made a clean
 partition on my main hard drive.  So, i then burnt the image onto a
 disk, and attempted to boot it.  Nothing happened.  So i thought it
 may be that my BIOS may not be set to boot from cd, so i checked, and
 it was set to boot from cd, but just to be sure, i made it the first
 boot device.  Then i reset.  still nothing.  So, then i thought it may
 be because i had burnt it onto an CD RW, so i did it on a regular CD
 R.  Still nothing.  I have read through the installation manual, and
 can;t see anything of useage.

When you say, Nothing happened., what exactly do you mean?  If 
you don't even see a POST...

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Re: I need help.

[David Goodenough]

On Tuesday 02 November 2004 13:13, Mole lord wrote:
 Hello all,

 My name is Cameron Ball, and i've recently had an interest in linux.
 I've downloaded the Debian distro image.  And i've made a clean
 partition on my main hard drive.  So, i then burnt the image onto a
 disk, and attempted to boot it.  Nothing happened.  So i thought it
 may be that my BIOS may not be set to boot from cd, so i checked, and
 it was set to boot from cd, but just to be sure, i made it the first
 boot device.  Then i reset.  still nothing.  So, then i thought it may
 be because i had burnt it onto an CD RW, so i did it on a regular CD
 R.  Still nothing.  I have read through the installation manual, and
 can;t see anything of useage.

 Can someone please help me out?
 Thanks
Are you sure you burned it as an ISO image, or did you put the file
onto a new filesystem on the CD?  If you did the latter, do the former.

David


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Re: I need help.

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Mole lord wrote:
Hello all,
My name is Cameron Ball, and i've recently had an interest in linux. 
I've downloaded the Debian distro image.  And i've made a clean
partition on my main hard drive.  So, i then burnt the image onto a
disk, and attempted to boot it.  Nothing happened.  So i thought it
may be that my BIOS may not be set to boot from cd, so i checked, and
it was set to boot from cd, but just to be sure, i made it the first
boot device.  Then i reset.  still nothing.  So, then i thought it may
be because i had burnt it onto an CD RW, so i did it on a regular CD
R.  Still nothing.  I have read through the installation manual, and
can;t see anything of useage.

Can someone please help me out?
Thanks

You mean you downloaded CD#1 iso, burnt it, put the CD in the tray and 
the system would not boot from it, but it DOES boot from other CD's?

Hugo
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Re: i need help in my debian OS in my pc

[robin]

Amit Poddar wrote:
the problem in my pc is that i cant get a desktop. how do i get a
desktop? i have started using knoppix and it is working fine. i even
installed it in the harddrive but i am into to debian. 

apt-get install x-window-system
apt-get install gnome or kde, xfce4 etc.

i am planing on
gettting a IBM laptop and i want to install linux in it ,especially
debian. an i have installed debian 5 times for practice i would like
to find out if ther is any way i can get rid if everything on my
harddrive and install debian from the beginining. i will appreciate if
u can help me with his matter - thank u
 

Check out http://tuxmobil.org/ibm.html
Robin

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Re: i need help in my debian OS in my pc

[Chris Lale]

On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 18:35, Amit Poddar wrote:
 the problem in my pc is that i cant get a desktop. how do i get a
 desktop? i have started using knoppix and it is working fine. i even
 installed it in the harddrive but i am into to debian. i am planing on
 gettting a IBM laptop and i want to install linux in it ,especially
 debian. an i have installed debian 5 times for practice i would like
 to find out if ther is any way i can get rid if everything on my
 harddrive and install debian from the beginining. i will appreciate if
 u can help me with his matter - thank u

Get hold of the Debian CD set (not Knoppix) and install from CD
(http://www.debian.org/distrib/)

Also, read the installation manual
(http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual)
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Re: i need help in my debian OS in my pc

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Re: I need help with my touch pad.

[Thomas Adam]

On Thu, Aug 26, 2004 at 03:30:22PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 if [ -f /usr/bin/tpconfig ]; then
   /usr/bin/tpconfig --tapmode=0
   if [ $? ]; then
^^^
That doesn't do what you think it does. In Bash, the [ $? ] bit says if the
variable requested is not empty, then... You need to test for it
regardless, so something like:

[ $? = 0 ]  echo worked || echo Failed

Although how this is meant to fix your initial problem is unclear.

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Re: I need help

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hi there
when i was insralling debian 3.0 i am booting from floppy disks and low mem root disk when i booted to install it ask me for SCSI drive and i dont know what i have to do?
 

If you'll provide more info about your system, such as if it has SCSI 
drives, is it a standard i386-type machine or is it a PowerPC machine or 
what, what's the exact message you're getting, how much RAM is in your 
box, etc, we might be able to provide a bit more guidance.

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Re: I need help configuring Sound in Woody

[Andreas Janssen]

Hello

Paul E Condon wrote:

 My situation is:
 1. Sound works with Knoppix running off the Knoppix CD, but
 2. when I install Knoppix on HD, it does not work.
 
 When I reboot Woody and install various likely looking packages, and
 reboot 3. I see an error message during boot to the effect that the
 snd.o module is not found.
 
 I have installed the kernel-source package for the kernel that I am
 using (2.4.18), and can find no mention of a snd.o module in menuconfig.

You cannot find the driver because it is not part of the Kernel sources.
The snd module is part of the alsa sound driver package. If you want to
use alsa, you have to compile the modules from source (which is included
in Debian Woody).

best regards
Andreas Janssen

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Re: I need help

[Brian Nelson]

The actual harddrive make usually isn't important.  What is important is the 
chipset on your motherboard, or possibly on a controller card.  I think the 
udma 66 disks support all of the common chipsets, so I don't know why they 
wouldn't work for you.

On Sat, Feb 24, 2001 at 10:48:15PM +0100, loosz wrote:
 Hello!
 I have just tried to use a potato but I can't install it.
 Until bootin my computer I can see that I have a Quantum Fireball
 UltraDma 4 winchester. And I heard that these is the udma 66 or udma
 100.
 I have tried to install with the udma 66 disks but the potato couldn't
 see my winchester.
 Please write me somebody how can I install the potato with this hardwer.
 
 Where can I download an installdisk for udma100?
 
 Please help me!
 
 Thanks a lot!
 
 Bye
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Re: I need help please

[Ashley Clark]

* Melissa Stirling in I need help please dated 2000/07/18 10:22
* wrote:

 I have a customer who would like to purchase a Toshiba from me and
 intends to run Debian Linux as the operating system.
 
 His question is this:
 
 He will either buy the Satellite Pro 4320 or 4270 which have with an
 AGP or PCI 3D Savage graphics card built in, does Debian support this
 hardware please?

To the programs running there's not much difference between AGP/PCI but
the S3 Savage is listed in the XFree cards database, so yes it should
work.

 He also intends to use a 3Com PCMCIA 10/100BaseT Ethernet card with
 it to, model no. 3CCFE575BT.  Do you know if this is also supported?

I've had only good luck with the 3Com PCMCIA cards, so I would suspect
it will work w/no problem.

You should look at the Linux Laptop page (url not handy) for some real
information though.

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RE: I need help please

[CHEONG, Shu Yang \[Patrick\]]

Don't know about the rest of the hw but Debian/GNU Linux does support the
3Com cardhowever, I would suggest that the potential buyer obtain the
latest pcmcia packages(tgz) from the pcmcia homepage.have fun!

 -Original Message-
 From: Melissa Stirling [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 5:22 PM
 To:   debian-user@lists.debian.org
 Subject:  I need help please
 
 I have a customer who would like to purchase a Toshiba from me and intends
 to run Debian Linux as the operating system.
 
 His question is this:
 
 He will either buy the Satellite Pro 4320 or 4270 which have with an AGP
 or PCI 3D Savage graphics card built in, does Debian support this hardware
 please?
 
 He also intends to use a 3Com PCMCIA 10/100BaseT Ethernet card with it to,
 model no. 3CCFE575BT.  Do you know if this is also supported?
 
 Please could you let me know either way ASAP as he would like to place his
 order today.
 
 Kindest regards, Melissa.
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RE: I need help please

[Andrew McRobert]

hi

I'm running Debian on the Sat Pro 4270 ... and the problem's with running X
on this machine have been well documented on this list, and the
debian-laptop list (have a flick through the archives).

However, I haven't tried the new X server for the 3D Savage card available
@:

http://www.probo.com/timr/savagemx.html

Which may fix the problem(s). If you've got any specific questions, feel
free to e-mail me.

cheers
Andrew



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-Original Message-
From: CHEONG, Shu Yang [Patrick] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 9:50 AM
To: 'Melissa Stirling'
Cc: 'debian-user@lists.debian.org'
Subject: RE: I need help please


Don't know about the rest of the hw but Debian/GNU Linux does support the
3Com cardhowever, I would suggest that the potential buyer obtain the
latest pcmcia packages(tgz) from the pcmcia homepage.have fun!

 -Original Message-
 From: Melissa Stirling [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 5:22 PM
 To:   debian-user@lists.debian.org
 Subject:  I need help please

 I have a customer who would like to purchase a Toshiba from me and intends
 to run Debian Linux as the operating system.

 His question is this:

 He will either buy the Satellite Pro 4320 or 4270 which have with an AGP
 or PCI 3D Savage graphics card built in, does Debian support this hardware
 please?

 He also intends to use a 3Com PCMCIA 10/100BaseT Ethernet card with it to,
 model no. 3CCFE575BT.  Do you know if this is also supported?

 Please could you let me know either way ASAP as he would like to place his
 order today.

 Kindest regards, Melissa.
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Re: I need help

[Bob Hilliard]

Ricardo Domínguez [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 
 Hi my name is Ricardo Dominguez Ezquerro, and i work in Anahuac Universityin 
 Mexico City, but i have 2 problems, the first one:
 
 I need install Linux at Sparcstation 4 but in all pages exist the sofware 
 for PC, but for Sparc nothing.
 
 The second one:
 
 In the Sparc exist a linux version 4.2, but when a try to log to the 
 computer, never never never finish the load of linux, i think the posible 
 solution in reinstall, but i dont know.
 
 Thanks a lot
 
 Ricardo Dominguez Ezquerro
 
 Pd Sorry for my English

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Re: I need help with X

[deblists]

On 10 May, Mario Jorge Nunes Filipe wrote:

[...]
 
 
   Another question. Now I'm running wm. And i click with the middle
 button on the clip to create a new workspace i can't get to the menu
 options because the menu follows the mouse arround. What am i doing
 wrong?
 
   Thanks
 

I just tested this on my own WM and you're right. But, from the main
menu (middle button on the root window, I think) you can select the
workspaces menu and get the same options as you get from the clip :-)

--Tim

Re: I need help with X

[Mario Jorge Nunes Filipe]

Mario Jorge Nunes Filipe wrote:
 
 Hi
 
 like I sayd a few days ago my X is going bananas. Now when i run it it
 tell's me this :
 
 Error Loading Keymap /var/tmp/server-o.xkm
 couldn't load xkb keymap, falling back to pre-XKB keymap
 
 What does this mean and how do i fix it. I'm running slink  since March
 without any problems and now in the last few weeks the whole thing just
 went crazy. I removed xlib6g (wicg removed nearly half of the packages
 that i had installed) and after i re-installed it it was running. Then I
 installed gnome from the staging area and wm, and now it no longer
 works. Is this a gnome problem or what?

I can now confirm that the problem is in one of the gnome (or
enlightenment) packages because i removed them all and now everuthing
works just fine!

I'm going to try to find out more about it.

Another question. Now I'm running wm. And i click with the middle
button on the clip to create a new workspace i can't get to the menu
options because the menu follows the mouse arround. What am i doing
wrong?

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Re: I need help Installing Debian 2.0 (Intel) for first time

[Andrew Ivanov]

It is very likely that you will have a problem with your modem. US
Robotics makes good Winmodems, that are not working for Linux.


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RE: I need help !!!

[Luiken, Arijan]

hi,

when i tryed to install x i had the same.

for the mouse you probaly just pressed enter at the question of the
port. you could try to use /dev/ttyS0 (for com1 S2 for com2 e.t.c.)

and for the gfx driver i know compaq uses mostly Cirrus logic or chips
and tech
(if you have win9x installed you could check your disp settings or go to
the compaq site and checkout which card is standard)

Greets !

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 Subject:  I need help !!!
 
 Hello
 
 I have the last version of Debian 2.0.
 I have problems to setup X11R6 on a Compaq DESKPRO 5133 with a
 QVision2000
 !!
 I found no driver for this card !!!
 What Chipset ??
 I always get the error message Unknown Chipset !!!
 _11TransSocketUNIXConnext: Can't connect: errno = 111
 
 Also my Microsoft Mouse didn't work in the Setup program ???
 
 Can anyone help me !!!
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RE: I need help !!!

[Hogland, Thomas E.]

Most of the Compaq QVisions were Cirrus Logic - CL-GD5434 chipsets. I've set
up a couple, and use the SVGA server.

I also had to use the Tab and Shift-Tab keys to select PS/2 mouse,
/dev/psaux for port, and then down to Apply. Seems to work after that.

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 Sent: Friday, August 07, 1998 2:38 AM
 To:   debian-user@lists.debian.org
 Subject:  I need help !!!
 
 Hello
 
 I have the last version of Debian 2.0.
 I have problems to setup X11R6 on a Compaq DESKPRO 5133 with a QVision2000
 !!
 I found no driver for this card !!!
 What Chipset ??
 I always get the error message Unknown Chipset !!!
 _11TransSocketUNIXConnext: Can't connect: errno = 111
 
 Also my Microsoft Mouse didn't work in the Setup program ???
 
 Can anyone help me !!!
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Re: I need help with installation....!!

[aqy6633]

 I get every thing goin except for the base diskettes then it say its unable
 to extract them, whats goin wrong???

What disks are you using - form bo or hamm?
hamm disks are not ready for a prime time yet.
In any case the error you mentioned probably indicates bad floppy disk.
Just create anotehr set of disks and try one more time.

Alex Y.

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Re: I need help

[shaul]

The PPP-HOWTO is a good source, but there are some differences between it and 
the way debian assume the system is handling PPP connections.
The debian way to handle PPP is with the PPP package.
Take a look at /usr/doc/ppp/*, especialy at /usr/doc/ppp/README.debian.gz, to 
see how debian assumes this connection is handled.
If the /usr/doc/ppp directory is not on your system then you will have to 
install the PPP package.

I hope it helps.


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Re: I need help

[Ivan Ines Rojas]

First, thanks to all the people that has posted to this thread.

Second, I want to explain some point here. I have Debian 1.3.1 with ppp
installed from the 1.3.1 cd ( ppp_2_2... don't remember ) and I found the
pon and poff files.

I checked my ppp.chatscript and ppp.options_out scripts according to the
sugestions here, but when I type pon I got nothing, and off course poff
returns no pppd running.

I also tryed dialing directly to my ISP using minicom and I got this:
ii
Entering PPP Mode
IP Address is xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
MTU is 

That's it!

I was told by my ISP tech. support that they use PAP. I think I modified the
options file according to the Robert Hart's howto
 http://sunsite.unc.edu/LDP/HOWTO/PPP-HOWTO.html ) but I may be wrong or I
just did it wrong! ( that's for sure! ;-)

Any ideas? Am I in the right path?

Thanks again to all of you.

Ivan


-Original Message-
From: Bill Leach [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Ivan  Ines Rojas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org debian-user@lists.debian.org
Date: Tuesday, March 03, 1998 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: I need help


I presume that you installed the 'bo' or stable release (ver 1.3.1) and
that you installed close to the latest packages...

ppp-on and ppp-off were replaced with /usr/bin/pon and /usr/bin/poff.

Have you determined if your ISP uses PAP or CHAP?
Do you have to login with a 'username' or 'account' and 'password'?

Have you tried loggin in with a term program such as miniterm yet?


Unfortunately, the HOWTOs were originally write almost exclusively from
the standpoint of a Slackware distribution.  People using debian,
redhat, caldera, unifix, (as far as I know even slackware now), and
other distributions are sometime mislead in various ways by the HOWTOs.

Debian, in particular differs from the the specifics of the HOWTO.  This
deviation is not done 'just to be different' and indeed the entire Linux
community often eventually adopts the 'debian way'.

The debian effort is intended to produce a system that is upgradeable
with minimum impact on your configuration (and thus on you!).  However,
to do that usually requires that the debian distribution does things a
little bit differently than some of the other distributions have done
things in the past.

Unlike DOS and a number of other operating systems, Unix/Linux is pretty
famous for allowing users (and system administrators where applicable)
to choose many different ways to accomplish a given task.

As a practical matter, some restraint must be imposed upon system
administration if it is to be possible to produce a package mainenance
system that can upgrade packages while retaining the specific
configuration that you choose to run.

Thus, debian differs a bit from other distributions because alteration
that you make to your system should comply with the 'debian way' or
future upgrades could fail to properly install (in most of those cases
you would have to do your configuration over again).

...

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Re: I need help (fwd)

[Peter Paluch]

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From peterp Tue Mar  3 08:30:27 1998
Subject: Re: I need help
In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] from Ivan  Ines Rojas at Mar 2, 98 09:30:41 
pm
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ivan  Ines Rojas)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 08:30:27 +0100 (CET)
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)]
Content-Length:  1366

Hello,
==

 I just finish installing and setting my linux box, which wasn't a easy job
 for a windows user :-) and then I decided to use PPP.
 I install the module accordingly with the PPP-HOWTO but I'm missing the
 ppp-on and ppp-off files.

Apart from compiling the module into kernel, you also need to instal the ppp
package. It provides both pon, poff scripts and all the daemons needed to
succesfully run PPP.

 Please help me, I really want to try linux connected to internet, I've been
 trying 4 months to setup this machine and right now I just can logon, mess
 around and type shutdown -r now. I'm starting to feel a little frustrated

Head up! Until I happened to understand Linux a bit, it took five and half
months :)))

 Thanks a lot.

Don't mention it... Hope it helps. 
Just write when it won't work.


All the best,
Peter

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Re: I need help

[tko]

Ivan  Ines Rojas writes:
 
 Hi there,
 I just finish installing and setting my linux box, which wasn't a easy job
 for a windows user :-) and then I decided to use PPP.
 I install the module accordingly with the PPP-HOWTO but I'm missing the
 ppp-on and ppp-off files.
 
 I have no idea if I did something wrong, eventhough I didn't do much either.
 
 But any ways, my question is: how can I put these files in my system? can I
 just create them from the scratch using emacs or any editor? if that's so,
 where can I get the file templates?
 
 Please help me, I really want to try linux connected to internet, I've been
 trying 4 months to setup this machine and right now I just can logon, mess
 around and type shutdown -r now. I'm starting to feel a little frustrated
 :-(
 
 Thanks a lot.
 
 Ivan

You probably need to force the de-installation of the PPP package and
re-install it from scratch. I ran into that problem when I first tried to
finalize PPP. Once you re-install the PPP package, follow the directions in
/usr/doc/ppp/README.debian.gz  That file will have the most up-to-date info.
I kept reading horror stories about how difficult PPP was. When I
de/re-installed PPP and followed the indicated file directions, PPP started up
ok! The only thing which you might want to shutoff from the debian default in
/etc/ppp/options file is the proxyarp option if you don't need it.

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Re: I need help

[IBMackey]

On Tue, 3 Mar 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Ivan  Ines Rojas writes:
  
  Hi there,
  I just finish installing and setting my linux box, which wasn't a easy job
  for a windows user :-) and then I decided to use PPP.
  I install the module accordingly with the PPP-HOWTO but I'm missing the
  ppp-on and ppp-off files.
  
  I have no idea if I did something wrong, eventhough I didn't do much either.
  
  But any ways, my question is: how can I put these files in my system? can I
  just create them from the scratch using emacs or any editor? if that's so,
  where can I get the file templates?
  
  Please help me, I really want to try linux connected to internet, I've been
  trying 4 months to setup this machine and right now I just can logon, mess
  around and type shutdown -r now. I'm starting to feel a little frustrated
  :-(
  
  Thanks a lot.
  
  Ivan
 
 You probably need to force the de-installation of the PPP package and
 re-install it from scratch. I ran into that problem when I first tried to
 finalize PPP. Once you re-install the PPP package, follow the directions in
 /usr/doc/ppp/README.debian.gz  That file will have the most up-to-date info.
 I kept reading horror stories about how difficult PPP was. When I
 de/re-installed PPP and followed the indicated file directions, PPP started up
 ok! The only thing which you might want to shutoff from the debian default in
 /etc/ppp/options file is the proxyarp option if you don't need it.
 
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Get this article from the net:

Novice to Novice - A 10-minute Guide for Using PPP to Connect Linux To The
Internet -

http://www.ssc.com/lj/issue36/ppp.html

It shows setup, testing, and in 10 minutes you're done. By the way, use
Pico for a beginning editor switch to VIM later

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Re: I need help

[Bill Leach]

I presume that you installed the 'bo' or stable release (ver 1.3.1) and
that you installed close to the latest packages...

ppp-on and ppp-off were replaced with /usr/bin/pon and /usr/bin/poff.

Have you determined if your ISP uses PAP or CHAP?
Do you have to login with a 'username' or 'account' and 'password'?

Have you tried loggin in with a term program such as miniterm yet?


Unfortunately, the HOWTOs were originally write almost exclusively from
the standpoint of a Slackware distribution.  People using debian,
redhat, caldera, unifix, (as far as I know even slackware now), and
other distributions are sometime mislead in various ways by the HOWTOs.

Debian, in particular differs from the the specifics of the HOWTO.  This
deviation is not done 'just to be different' and indeed the entire Linux
community often eventually adopts the 'debian way'.

The debian effort is intended to produce a system that is upgradeable
with minimum impact on your configuration (and thus on you!).  However,
to do that usually requires that the debian distribution does things a
little bit differently than some of the other distributions have done
things in the past.

Unlike DOS and a number of other operating systems, Unix/Linux is pretty
famous for allowing users (and system administrators where applicable)
to choose many different ways to accomplish a given task.

As a practical matter, some restraint must be imposed upon system
administration if it is to be possible to produce a package mainenance
system that can upgrade packages while retaining the specific
configuration that you choose to run.

Thus, debian differs a bit from other distributions because alteration
that you make to your system should comply with the 'debian way' or
future upgrades could fail to properly install (in most of those cases
you would have to do your configuration over again).

Ivan  Ines Rojas wrote:
 
 Hi there,
 I just finish installing and setting my linux box, which wasn't a easy job
 for a windows user :-) and then I decided to use PPP.
 I install the module accordingly with the PPP-HOWTO but I'm missing the
 ppp-on and ppp-off files.
 
 I have no idea if I did something wrong, eventhough I didn't do much either.
 
 But any ways, my question is: how can I put these files in my system? can I
 just create them from the scratch using emacs or any editor? if that's so,
 where can I get the file templates?
 
 Please help me, I really want to try linux connected to internet, I've been
 trying 4 months to setup this machine and right now I just can logon, mess
 around and type shutdown -r now. I'm starting to feel a little frustrated
 :-(
 
 Thanks a lot.
 
 Ivan

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Re: I need help

[Igor Grobman]

 On Mon, 2 Mar 1998, IIR == Ivan  Ines Rojas wrote:

  IIR Hi there, I just finish installing and setting my linux box, which
  IIR wasn't a easy job for a windows user :-) and then I decided to use PPP.
  IIR I install the module accordingly with the PPP-HOWTO but I'm missing the
  IIR ppp-on and ppp-off files.

PPP-HOWTO's way is not quite compatible with debian.  I suggest you read 
http://www.debian.org/cgi-bin/fom?file=20 and ask questions here if it doesn't 
help.

 
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Re: I need help, part 2.

[Martin Bialasinski]

Pierre DUPUIS [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Hi everyone,
 Here is my situation :
 I have a working X server. I haven't got xtoolplaces, i have dl
 Ne3.04Gold for Linux Os..
 

 I want't to conect myself on the internet
 I don't know how to do.
 Simple situation, simple question !
 Simple aswer ?
 
Let's assume you have a modem not a LAN connection or ISDN.

Get xisp from ftp://134.95.210.54/pub and try it out.

If you have problems, come back and give us as much info as possible
(e.g. if you have a terminal login or PAP-Authentication and so on). 
Add debug to /etc/options.xisp and give us the lines from /var/log/ppp.log
and /var/log/messages

Ciao,
Martin


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Re: I need help.

[Wojtek Zabolotny]

On Wed, 31 Dec 1997, Pierre DUPUIS wrote:
 Does someone know where can i get a 'Windows or Dos to Linux' Manual, it
 can be very helpfull.
I don't know about such a manual, but there exists a HOWTO:
(In my debian system: /usr/doc/HOWTO/DOStoLinux-HOWTO.gz)
It is a part of the 'doc-linux' package.

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Re: I need help.

[G. Crimp]

On Wed, Dec 31, 1997 at 09:16:54AM -0700, Bob Nielsen wrote:

[snip]
 
  By the same,
  Does someone know where can i get a 'Windows or Dos to Linux' Manual, it
  can be very helpfull.
 
 I agree that it would be useful for the beginner, but haven't seen one.
 
 


Try the Linux Documentation Project

http://sunsite.unc.edu/mdw/linux.html#ldp

I was just there today looking at the HOWTO and mini-HOWTO document
index and noticed a title about moving from DOS to Linux.  I haven't 
looked at it myself, but I imagine it will deal with mostly command
equivalences and non-equivalences.  I don't know if it talks of the
differences between MS windoze and X Windows.  There is a French
version also, if that interests you.  Here is the URL that I 
got in Netscape.


http://http://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/linux/docs/HOWTO/translations/fr/DOStoLinux-
HOWTO.gz 


That is all one line without spaces just in case it doesn't make it intact.
If you want to explore the French language documentation, I got there from
the first URL above.  You'll find a Linux HOWTO's subheading under
the Linux Documentation Project one.  Click on plain text.  Scroll
down to the very bottom of the plain text list.  There you'll find a 
Translations link which will take you to the French language docs.


Hope this helps.

Gerald Crimp 


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Re: I need help.

[Bob Nielsen]

On Wed, 31 Dec 1997, Pierre DUPUIS wrote:

 I have dl via the internet a *.zip program for linux.
 The *.zip has been dl on my Dos partition, and i don't know how to
 access it with my linux partition (to install the program i need to
 locate it).
 I'm a recent debian user, i came from windows OS, so please be explicit
 and free of complicated command.

You have to mount the ms-dos partition; hopefully your kernel has been
configured to do that.

Try 'mount -t msdos /dev/hd{x} /mnt', where hd{x} is /hda1, etc (depending
on the drive number and partition number.  If you have one hard drive and
the first partition is dos, it would be /dev/hda1. 

Then you should be able to see the partition from Linux.  Try 'ls -al
/mnt/filename.zip to see if it is recognized.  Copy it to one of your
Linux directories (with cp) and unzip it with the unzip command. 

 
 By the same,
 Does someone know where can i get a 'Windows or Dos to Linux' Manual, it
 can be very helpfull.

I agree that it would be useful for the beginner, but haven't seen one.

Bob


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Re: I need help setting up X

[tko]

Shaleh writes:
 
 The problem is that X believes that all the mode defs are bogus, so it
 throws them out.  There is no entry left that supports anything other
 than 640x480 8bpp, when it is thru.
 

When this happened to me, I had not properly defined the capability of my
monitor. Try re-doing the monitor section.

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