Re: Installing Lenny -- how to deal with expired repo signing keys?

[Rick Thomas]

On Sep 10, 2016, at 3:41 AM, Andrew M.A. Cater  
wrote:
> 
> Download DVD1. Install a minimum system from it (if it has enough for you, 
> build the whole system). In fact, the netinst will work and produce a 
> _really_ minimal base system if you don't add a network mirror.
> 
> Use apt-key add to add the expired keys if you must.
> 
> Install whatever you need.
> 
> At this point, I'd suggest doing this _only_ in a virtual machine to start 
> with
> before doing this for real on the machine you intend to use long-term.
> 
> Unless this is an absolutely "must do this on Lenny, nothing later will ever 
> work
> and there's bespoke software that we must use and it must be on a real 
> physical 
> machine" it is probably worth moving this to a VM at some point / moving to a 
> later
> version — given that Wheezy LTS expires in 2018 (that's current oldstable) 
> and we'll
> be releasing Debian 9 early next year at which point you'd be three major 
> versions
> behind.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> All the best,
> 
> AndyC

Thanks Andy.  That worked perfectly!

See below for a full explanation (TL;DNR)

What I needed to do was unbrick a Marvel OpenRD/Ultimate machine.  But the 
current (Jessie/Stretch) version of the openocd package doesn’t talk to the USB 
serial/JTAG interface.  I’ll be submitting a bugreport for that.

When all was said and done, Lenny was too far back (openocd would talk to the 
device, but it didn’t have any config files for OpenRD).  What I really needed 
was Squeeze.

So this is what I did:

  Download and burn the squeeze DVD-1.

  Use it to install a minimal Squeeze on a spare disk in an otherwise unused 
Windows PC.  If I didn’t have the PC available, I probably would have used a 
VM, as you suggested.

  Follow the unbricking directions at
https://www.newit.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=2835.0
  and then restore the boot-loader environment as described at
https://www.cyrius.com/debian/kirkwood/openrd/install/

Big thanks! to Malcolm and James at NewIT and Debian’s own Martin Michlmayr for 
clear and straightforward instruction on the various parts of this process.

Happy ending: My OpenRD/Ultimate is back from zombie-land and feeling fine!

Enjoy!
Rick

Re: Installing Lenny -- how to deal with expired repo signing keys?

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Fri, Sep 09, 2016 at 10:05:13PM -0700, Rick Thomas wrote:
> It's a long story, but I need to install a fresh-out-of-the-box Debian amd64
> Lenny system.
> 
> I found ftp.us.debian.org/debian-archive/debian/ which has installer images
> for old Debian releases, including Lenny.  The README file says I need to
> use
> deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib
> for the sources.list entry.
> 
> This works OK when I boot a l"live" cd, though it complains about the repo
> keys being expired and requires me to type "Yes" if I want to ignore that
> and install packages anyway.
> 
> So my first question is: Is there something I can do in apt preferences
> somewhere that will make it accept the expired keys by default?
> 
> After some experimentation with my "live" system, I decided that I really
> needed a fully installed system that didn't loose all my configuration stuff
> on reboots.
> 
> So I downloaded a "netinst" CD and tried to install using it.  Of course, I
> had to give it the archive repo URL manually (netinst isn't really happy
> without a network repo).  It accepted that but then it appeared to hang.
> Looking at the -F4 screen revealed that it was asking the same question
> about whether I wanted to accept the expired repo keys, but this time there
> was no way to give it the required "Yes" answer.  Or at least no way that I
> could see.
> 
> So my second question is: Does anybody know how to give it the necessary
> answer?  Or, failing that somehing I can do in the -F2 screen that will
> prevent it from asking?
> 
> Thanks! in advance,
> 
> Rick

Download DVD1. Install a minimum system from it (if it has enough for you, 
build the whole system). In fact, the netinst will work and produce a 
_really_ minimal base system if you don't add a network mirror.

Use apt-key add to add the expired keys if you must.

Install whatever you need.

At this point, I'd suggest doing this _only_ in a virtual machine to start with
before doing this for real on the machine you intentd to use long-term.

Unless this is an absolutely "must do this on Lenny, nothing later will ever 
work
and there's bespoke software that we must use and it must be on a real physical 
machine" it is probably worth moving this to a VM at some point / moving to a 
later
version - given that Wheezy LTS expires in 2018 (that's current oldstable) and 
we'll
be releasing Debian 9 early next year at which point you'd be three major 
versions
behind.

HTH,

All the best,

AndyC

Re: installing lenny package

[Reco]

Hi.

On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 05:59:20PM +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
 Hi.
 
 We have the need at work to install a package on a lenny Debian.
 
 I know that it's quite old ( older than oldstable btw! ) but I only
 learned it's existence at the moment. To do things quickly, we have
 to find an old copy of the packages. Maybe there is an old iso of
 lenny somewhere?

[1] should help you with this unnamed package and it's dependencies.

[1] http://archive.debian.org/

Reco


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Re: installing lenny package

[berenger . morel]

Le 14.04.2014 18:08, Reco a écrit :

Hi.

On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 05:59:20PM +0200,
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:

Hi.

We have the need at work to install a package on a lenny Debian.

I know that it's quite old ( older than oldstable btw! ) but I only
learned it's existence at the moment. To do things quickly, we have
to find an old copy of the packages. Maybe there is an old iso of
lenny somewhere?


[1] should help you with this unnamed package and it's dependencies.

[1] http://archive.debian.org/

Reco


Thanks a lot, it seems that it works. At least, the update is in 
progress.


The package my colleague needs is iptraf, from lenny.


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Re: installing lenny package

[Chris Angelico]

On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 2:20 AM,  berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
 The package my colleague needs is iptraf, from lenny.

Is it the same as iptraf in Wheezy?

https://packages.debian.org/stable/net/iptraf

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Re: installing lenny package

[berenger . morel]

Le 14.04.2014 18:23, Chris Angelico a écrit :
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 2:20 AM,  berenger.mo...@neutralite.org 
wrote:

The package my colleague needs is iptraf, from lenny.


Is it the same as iptraf in Wheezy?

https://packages.debian.org/stable/net/iptraf

ChrisA


It seems yes, there are only 2 debian versions between them.
But dependencies' versions are not the same too, so... but the easier 
is, for now, to install the Lenny version, we will take a look about how 
to do a reliable upgrade ( this stuff is still in production ) later.



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Re: Installing Lenny on PowerMac?

[Philipp Kern]

On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 04:10:29PM -0800, Rick Thomas wrote:
 Would I have better luck with a DVD, where I wouldn't need to get
 anything from the network mirrors until after the installation is
 complete?

Yes.

Kind regards
Philipp Kern 


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Re: installing Lenny packages in Squeeze

[Rob Owens]

On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 09:48:41AM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
 On Wednesday 28 April 2010 22:11:00 Rob Owens wrote:
  My understanding is that live-helper must build the kernel so that
  certain modules necessary to the live system get included.  I confess
  that I don't completely understand that answer, but it's what I was told
  by the developer.
 
 You should look into the live-helper configuration and adjust where it gets 
 the kernel source and any (extra?) patches it applies.  It should be able to 
 work with kernel sources provided from lenny-backports with the proper 
 configuration, since it already works with both Lenny and Squeeze kernel 
 sources.  The bpo kernels are not packaged significantly differently.
 
 If live-helper doesn't have any relevant configuration, looking into how it 
 receives, patches, compiles, and packages the kernel should give you some 
 insight into a work-around.  (e.g. repackaging the bpo kernel package to have 
 the same package name but a higher version than the Lenny kernel package.)

Thanks.  I think this is the approach I'm going to take.  I just tried
install barebones Squeeze in Virtualbox, and I'm running into packaging
problems when I try to install certain software from Lenny (LXDE and
apt-show-versions, for example).

-Rob


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Re: installing Lenny packages in Squeeze

[Rob Owens]

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 08:17:57PM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
 Rob Owens wrote:

 I use a Debian-Live USB and I like to run Lenny because of the
 infrequent updates.  But one of my laptops requires the Squeeze kernel
 in order for wifi to work.  I've been told by the Debian-Live developer
 that I cannot install alternate kernels on my live system (otherwise I'd
 be able to use a kernel from backports.org).



 What you need is Debian Backports  
 www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions You will find your  
 kernel upgrade there, plus you will need to add linux-firmware for the  
 new kernel, both the kernel and firmware are in the backports.

I can't use backports, according to the developer of debian-live.  That
was the first thing I tried, but it didn't work.

-Rob


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Re: installing Lenny packages in Squeeze

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On Wednesday 28 April 2010 20:35:29 Rob Owens wrote:
 If I were to install a bare-bones Squeeze system, then add Lenny
 repositories and declare Lenny to be the Default-Release in apt.conf,
 can I expect to have many problems installing a full desktop environment
 from the Lenny repos?  (Gnome, LXDE, or Fluxbox, most likely).

This type of setup is neither tested nor supported.  Since a number of library 
transitions have already gone into Squeeze, I would expect issues, though I 
don't know what.
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Re: installing Lenny packages in Squeeze

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On Wednesday 28 April 2010 22:11:00 Rob Owens wrote:
 My understanding is that live-helper must build the kernel so that
 certain modules necessary to the live system get included.  I confess
 that I don't completely understand that answer, but it's what I was told
 by the developer.

You should look into the live-helper configuration and adjust where it gets 
the kernel source and any (extra?) patches it applies.  It should be able to 
work with kernel sources provided from lenny-backports with the proper 
configuration, since it already works with both Lenny and Squeeze kernel 
sources.  The bpo kernels are not packaged significantly differently.

If live-helper doesn't have any relevant configuration, looking into how it 
receives, patches, compiles, and packages the kernel should give you some 
insight into a work-around.  (e.g. repackaging the bpo kernel package to have 
the same package name but a higher version than the Lenny kernel package.)
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Re: installing Lenny packages in Squeeze

[Jimmy Johnson]

Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:

On Wednesday 28 April 2010 20:35:29 Rob Owens wrote:

If I were to install a bare-bones Squeeze system, then add Lenny
repositories and declare Lenny to be the Default-Release in apt.conf,
can I expect to have many problems installing a full desktop environment
from the Lenny repos?  (Gnome, LXDE, or Fluxbox, most likely).



This type of setup is neither tested nor supported.  Since a number of library 
transitions have already gone into Squeeze, I would expect issues, though I 
don't know what.



I'm using the Squeeze+KDE4 version of Debian Live installed and it seems
to be Lenny upgraded to Squeeze, it's definitely broken because the
weather widgets will not config, I've seen the problem before on every
Lenny upgrade and it's the only problem I can find, on that system I've
been able to upgrade the kernel with no problem.

I would not recommend Debian Live to anyone looking for a usable system.
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Re: installing Lenny packages in Squeeze

[Greg Madden]

On Wednesday 28 April 2010 05:35:29 pm Rob Owens wrote:
 If I were to install a bare-bones Squeeze system, then add Lenny
 repositories and declare Lenny to be the Default-Release in apt.conf,
 can I expect to have many problems installing a full desktop environment
 from the Lenny repos?  (Gnome, LXDE, or Fluxbox, most likely).

 Reason:

 I use a Debian-Live USB and I like to run Lenny because of the
 infrequent updates.  But one of my laptops requires the Squeeze kernel
 in order for wifi to work.  I've been told by the Debian-Live developer
 that I cannot install alternate kernels on my live system (otherwise I'd
 be able to use a kernel from backports.org).

 -Rob

Can you use one of these ?

http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/

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Re: installing Lenny packages in Squeeze

[Greg Madden]

On Wednesday 28 April 2010 05:35:29 pm Rob Owens wrote:
 If I were to install a bare-bones Squeeze system, then add Lenny
 repositories and declare Lenny to be the Default-Release in apt.conf,
 can I expect to have many problems installing a full desktop environment
 from the Lenny repos?  (Gnome, LXDE, or Fluxbox, most likely).

 Reason:

 I use a Debian-Live USB and I like to run Lenny because of the
 infrequent updates.  But one of my laptops requires the Squeeze kernel
 in order for wifi to work.  I've been told by the Debian-Live developer
 that I cannot install alternate kernels on my live system (otherwise I'd
 be able to use a kernel from backports.org).

 -Rob

Can you use one of these ?

http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/


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Re: installing Lenny packages in Squeeze

[Rob Owens]

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 06:02:18PM -0800, Greg Madden wrote:
 On Wednesday 28 April 2010 05:35:29 pm Rob Owens wrote:
  If I were to install a bare-bones Squeeze system, then add Lenny
  repositories and declare Lenny to be the Default-Release in apt.conf,
  can I expect to have many problems installing a full desktop environment
  from the Lenny repos?  (Gnome, LXDE, or Fluxbox, most likely).
 
  Reason:
 
  I use a Debian-Live USB and I like to run Lenny because of the
  infrequent updates.  But one of my laptops requires the Squeeze kernel
  in order for wifi to work.  I've been told by the Debian-Live developer
  that I cannot install alternate kernels on my live system (otherwise I'd
  be able to use a kernel from backports.org).
 
  -Rob
 
 Can you use one of these ?
 
 http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/
 
Thanks for the feedback.  Unfortunately, I don't think I can use those.
My understanding is that live-helper must build the kernel so that
certain modules necessary to the live system get included.  I confess
that I don't completely understand that answer, but it's what I was told
by the developer.

Keep in mind that I'm not trying to do a traditional install of Debian
onto a USB flash drive.  I'm trying to install a live system, which is
different because it is designed to be run on many different computers
(like a Knoppix CD, but it's a straight Debian system).

-Rob


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Re: installing Lenny packages in Squeeze

[Jimmy Johnson]

Rob Owens wrote:


I use a Debian-Live USB and I like to run Lenny because of the
infrequent updates.  But one of my laptops requires the Squeeze kernel
in order for wifi to work.  I've been told by the Debian-Live developer
that I cannot install alternate kernels on my live system (otherwise I'd
be able to use a kernel from backports.org).




What you need is Debian Backports 
www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions You will find your 
kernel upgrade there, plus you will need to add linux-firmware for the 
new kernel, both the kernel and firmware are in the backports.

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Re: Installing Lenny using usb stick

[Jochen Schulz]

Siju George:
 
 Where do I get usb install images for lenny and how do I write it to
 the USB drive?

In the installation manual. :)

Wait, lmgtfy:
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en

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Re: Installing Lenny using usb stick

[Siju George]

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Jochen Schulz m...@well-adjusted.de wrote:
 Siju George:

 Where do I get usb install images for lenny and how do I write it to
 the USB drive?

 In the installation manual. :)

 Wait, lmgtfy:
 http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en


Thanks jochen :-)

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Re: Installing Lenny

[Neal Hogan]

On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Roman Gelfandrgelfa...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have vista 64 and fedora 10 installed  The bootloader is GRUB.  I am
 looking to install Lenny in place of fedora.  What would be the right
 way to approach it?

Back-up current stuff, d'load the .iso, burn it to cd and boot off of that disc.

Probably a lot like you did with fedora. Look to debian.org and check
back here if you have specific problems.


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Re: Installing Lenny

[Dirk Neumann]

On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 13:19:50 -0400
Roman Gelfand rgelfa...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have vista 64 and fedora 10 installed  The bootloader is GRUB.  I am
 looking to install Lenny in place of fedora.  What would be the right
 way to approach it?

Backup all the files you need, download a suitable CD-image, burn it
to CD or DVD, boot from it, and answer all the questions you are asked,
like partitioning (select the fedora partitions).

Dirk.


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Re: Installing Lenny

[Mark]

 I have vista 64 and fedora 10 installed  The bootloader is GRUB.  I am
 looking to install Lenny in place of fedora.  What would be the right
 way to approach it?

Not sure if this applies to Vista too (I assume it would), but I just set up
a friend's computer to dual-boot XP/Debian in place of XP/Ubuntu.  To make
that happen I erased the Ubuntu partition(s) and that took GRUB with it so
upon trying to install Debian it didn't know XP was on the hard drive (since
GRUB had replaced XP's bootloader and no longer existed).  After a bit of
fiddling, I realized I needed to put the XP install CD in, go to Recovery
Console mode and do two commands: fixmbr and fixboot C: - after this,
Debian saw XP and added it to the GRUB bootloader menu during installation.

Don't know if I could have just edited /boot/grub/menu.lst manually or not,
but the above method worked great.  As an added bonus XP passes the post
screen in about 1/4 the time now, maybe the standard mbr installation isn't
that efficient in XP?

Mark

Re: Installing Lenny on LVM using debootstrap

[Marc Shapiro]

Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:

In 4a125119.8030...@yahoo.com, Marc Shapiro wrote:

I then chrooted into /mnt/debinst, again, and did:
cd \dev
MAKEDEV generic


Instead of this, since you have a running Linux system, I would suggest 
doing (from outside the chroot):

mount -o rbind /dev /mnt/debinst/dev


Thanks, that did it.  The devices all show up now.  I installed lvm2 in 
the chroot then exited and unmounted them from outside the chroot. 
After reentering, I was able to do a mount -a and everything looks as it 
should.


That is probably what I have done before, but the current docs only say 
that it can be done, not what the actual command is.  They also 
recommend against it.  I suppose that is because the base system is not 
guaranteed to be linux, but still...


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Re: Installing Lenny on LVM using debootstrap

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In 4a140dad.6020...@yahoo.com, Marc Shapiro wrote:
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
 In 4a125119.8030...@yahoo.com, Marc Shapiro wrote:
 I then chrooted into /mnt/debinst, again, and did:
 cd \dev
 MAKEDEV generic
 Instead of this, since you have a running Linux system, I would suggest
 doing (from outside the chroot):
 mount -o rbind /dev /mnt/debinst/dev
That is probably what I have done before, but the current docs only say
that it can be done, not what the actual command is.  They also
recommend against it.

That's probably because the bind mount gives the chroot significant access 
to the host.  Specifically, unlinking a device from /dev inside the chroot 
will also unlink it from /dev outside the chroot, which could cause 
problems.

I don't mind doing the mind mount, because much more destructive acts can be 
done as root inside the chroot if you don't have the filesystem it is on 
mounted 'nodev' and doing that generally results in a non-functional chroot.  
As far as destructive acts, I'm thinking mknod for every possible hd*, sd*, 
md*, and dm* device plus urandom and then writing the contents of urandom 
over all the other devices.

chroots are only as secure as your method of dropping permissions after 
doing the chroot() system interface call.
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Re: Installing Lenny on LVM using debootstrap

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In 4a125119.8030...@yahoo.com, Marc Shapiro wrote:
I then chrooted into /mnt/debinst, again, and did:
   cd \dev
   MAKEDEV generic

Instead of this, since you have a running Linux system, I would suggest 
doing (from outside the chroot):
mount -o rbind /dev /mnt/debinst/dev

That wouldn't work if you were trying to install Debian from (e.g.) AIX, HP-
UX, or NCR UNIX, but, in that case, you'd have to reboot into Linux to 
access the Linux LVM2 logical volumes anyway.
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