Re: Kills Linux hdd's?
On Sat, Jun 01, 2002 at 03:59:38AM +0200, Frank Brodbeck uttered: -- I really do like my PC. And I never hit but sometimes hug her :) -- Errrh, just how intimate is your relationship with your pc? Could that be the source of your problems? -- David - www.richsob.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sat, 2002-06-08 at 20:56, David Turetsky wrote: On Sat, Jun 01, 2002 at 03:59:38AM +0200, Frank Brodbeck uttered: -- I really do like my PC. And I never hit but sometimes hug her :) -- Errrh, just how intimate is your relationship with your pc? Could that be the source of your problems? -- David - www.richsob.com How can you NOT hug someone you practically live with???... ;o* Cheers, HÖ -- http://www.sacred-eagle.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Frank Brodbeck wrote: All worked pretty fine and then suddenly I heard this strange sound from my harddrive. It twanged like the read/write header of the hdd would somehow hang. First of all, the system just froze for several seconds but after short time the system started to freeze completely after such events and also the frequency of these sounds increased rapidly. Between my sister and I, we've had 3 20G disks die this way - one quantum fireball and two seagates. She has a 20G WD drive now (fingers crossed) and I have a 60G Maxtor. Maxtor and Quantum are the same company now though, so I'm really hoping for my sake that they've sorted out their reliability problems. Previously I'd never had any drive die like this. I've got a 245Mb Maxtor that's 8 years old and still going strong. They just don't build them like they used to. BTW. I am a Linux user, but my sister is strictly Windows only. This is a hardware problem - it has nothing to do with Linux. Matthew -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I'M NOT MEMER OF YOUR MAILING LISTS. MY MAIL IS : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED] IS ONLY FORWARD FROM [EMAIL PROTECTED]). WHY THIS MAILS COME TO ME? EVERY DAY COME TO ME 200 MAILS FROM YOUR MAILING LISTS. CAN YOU DO SOMETHING WITH IT? THANK YOU. - Original Message - From: Matthew Dalton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Frank Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 6:56 AM Subject: Re: Kills Linux hdd's? Frank Brodbeck wrote: All worked pretty fine and then suddenly I heard this strange sound from my harddrive. It twanged like the read/write header of the hdd would somehow hang. First of all, the system just froze for several seconds but after short time the system started to freeze completely after such events and also the frequency of these sounds increased rapidly. Between my sister and I, we've had 3 20G disks die this way - one quantum fireball and two seagates. She has a 20G WD drive now (fingers crossed) and I have a 60G Maxtor. Maxtor and Quantum are the same company now though, so I'm really hoping for my sake that they've sorted out their reliability problems. Previously I'd never had any drive die like this. I've got a 245Mb Maxtor that's 8 years old and still going strong. They just don't build them like they used to. BTW. I am a Linux user, but my sister is strictly Windows only. This is a hardware problem - it has nothing to do with Linux. Matthew -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 07:18:49PM -0700, ben wrote: location throughout the history of the equipment failure. also check for cell phone antennas in the immediate surrounding area. So on top of the computer behind the fan hump (Koolance case) isn't a good place to leave my phone charging? -- Baloo pgp73IDilaTuj.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Fri, 2002-05-31 at 23:10, Paul Johnson wrote: On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 07:18:49PM -0700, ben wrote: location throughout the history of the equipment failure. also check for cell phone antennas in the immediate surrounding area. So on top of the computer behind the fan hump (Koolance case) isn't a good place to leave my phone charging? If the fan is working properly it should blow the RF away from the case, I'm not sure about the EMF. ;-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 09:38:22PM -0500, Dale Hair wrote: I once had a power problem, called the power co. to tell them the transformer on the pole had a red light glowing, they told me that meant the transformer had a problem and they would send someone to look at it. Two years later I moved and the transformer still had that red light. Actually, I think that's a power light. I always see them glowing when power is available, and never when it's not. You got schwinged.[1] For those two years I had two cheap UPS that would beep at the same time several times a day. So I say a power conditioner ahead of the UPS or built-in is the best. Wow, remarkably craptastic power there... [1] [Telephone tech support] The sound a call makes after you've blown off a customer you don't want to deal with or mislead an idiot for the sake of the rest of humanity. Compare plonk, see also permahold. -- Baloo pgpwIayLsgs2A.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 10:03:25PM -0500, Kent West wrote: My co-workers and I have seen (or actually heard) a lot of this over the past four or five years. The Gateway computers we purchased came with Western Digital drives. Accordingly, we've pretty much developed an attitude against this brand. (NOTE: We haven't seen the problems so much I've never had a problem with WD's Caviar line. -- Baloo pgpc18h5A9pek.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Kills Linux hdd's?
On Fri, 2002-05-31 at 23:35, Paul Johnson wrote: On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 09:38:22PM -0500, Dale Hair wrote: I once had a power problem, called the power co. to tell them the transformer on the pole had a red light glowing, they told me that meant the transformer had a problem and they would send someone to look at it. Two years later I moved and the transformer still had that red light. Actually, I think that's a power light. I always see them glowing when power is available, and never when it's not. You got schwinged.[1] For those two years I had two cheap UPS that would beep at the same time several times a day. So I say a power conditioner ahead of the UPS or built-in is the best. Wow, remarkably craptastic power there... [1] [Telephone tech support] The sound a call makes after you've blown off a customer you don't want to deal with or mislead an idiot for the sake of the rest of humanity. Compare plonk, see also permahold. The power lines feeding the all the houses on the street are fed from the same line, powered from multiple transformers in parallel , one for every four houses. Only one transformer had a red light and I was setting outside when I saw it come on. I am a master electrician and a consultant to many companies. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, 2002-05-31 at 23:38, Paul Johnson wrote: On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 10:03:25PM -0500, Kent West wrote: My co-workers and I have seen (or actually heard) a lot of this over the past four or five years. The Gateway computers we purchased came with Western Digital drives. Accordingly, we've pretty much developed an attitude against this brand. (NOTE: We haven't seen the problems so much I've never had a problem with WD's Caviar line. I still have a Caviar 200M drive in the original 486-33/VLB system, it was very heavily use as a cad system for a few years with OS/2. Now it serves as a BSD router/firewall. I would guess it has surpassed it's MTBF by now. I wish all drives and MBs would last this long. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 06:08:43PM -0700, Jaye Inabnit ke6sls wrote: Yuppers, that would be a cruel situation. I did it too for a small time, but I just couldn't ignore RMS's suggestions of implied migration. Implied migration? Time to backup what you can and toss it in the trash. Heh, at my old school, if one of the machines had a drive start going bad, it would be dubbed The Big Box of Stars. When it finally died and was turned over to the computers class to fix (every major hardware fix also included reinstallation to Linux), the drive would be disassembled, one platter hung on the wall, the rest kept in a box in case something came to mind that would be interesting to do with them. The spacer rings usally were kept by students, they made a tuning-fork-like, but extremely loud ring when you threw it endwise into a concrete floor. *Whup-TINNG!!!* had given away died very much like yours did. Leads me to think WD isn't what an IBM is. No, IBM makes the best drives, hands down, but WD seems to have a rather large distributor subjecting thier drives to a lot of stress while in the packaging (I haven't heard of WDs dying very often around here, for example, but Iomega Jaz disks tend to be more reliable than Quantam Fireballs...) worry about backing up my OS. Waste of time IMO as Debian has an excellent web presence. Well, that, and backing up any OS is pointless, reinstalling from scratch and restoring user files from backup removes a significant amount of cruft if you apt-get update religiously or try out new packages regularly. (peeve...sometimes dpkg --purge doesn't nail all files installed by some packages even if no other installed package wants or needs it.) -- Baloo pgpZeSy4ia2Ki.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Friday 31 May 2002 10:25 pm, Dale Hair wrote: On Fri, 2002-05-31 at 23:38, Paul Johnson wrote: On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 10:03:25PM -0500, Kent West wrote: My co-workers and I have seen (or actually heard) a lot of this over the past four or five years. The Gateway computers we purchased came with Western Digital drives. Accordingly, we've pretty much developed an attitude against this brand. (NOTE: We haven't seen the problems so much I've never had a problem with WD's Caviar line. I still have a Caviar 200M drive in the original 486-33/VLB system, it was very heavily use as a cad system for a few years with OS/2. Now it serves as a BSD router/firewall. I would guess it has surpassed it's MTBF by now. I wish all drives and MBs would last this long. i had a caviar 750meg that was fscked straight out of the box. when i brought it back to the shop, the guy at the desk replaced it with a maxtor and told me i would be doing him a favor by taking the dead caviar drive with me because he was sick of doing the paper-work on the returns. that was about six or seven years ago, when wd was hurting bad because because of flawed production. i eventually took it apart to show my son the mechanics of it. six months ago, while he was still thirteen, he built his own system. little punk has also outgrown me by an inch, or if you take his word, an inch and a half. still can't get him to embrace linux--he's a gamer. ben -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 11:27:14PM -0700, ben wrote: six months ago, while he was still thirteen, he built his own system. little punk has also outgrown me by an inch, or if you take his word, an inch and a half. still can't get him to embrace linux--he's a gamer. So am I! I use Debian exclusively, even at LAN parties. I was at a LAN party last summer back when I had a spare box to kick around for parties, and I was playing UT. And a bunch of guys were watching me play and holding about 700 frags per hour and an acceptable framerate on an underpowered box (relative to the rest of the crowd) amazed that I got a shitbox to perform acceptably well, while badmouthing Linux when someone else brought it up. The figured I was overclocking. I wasn't (at the time). Quit out of the game, show off my true colors. You shoulda seen jaws drop and opinions shift; it probably registered on the richter scale. -- Baloo pgpOjiu4Junst.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Saturday 01 June 2002 12:02 am, Paul Johnson wrote: On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 11:27:14PM -0700, ben wrote: six months ago, while he was still thirteen, he built his own system. little punk has also outgrown me by an inch, or if you take his word, an inch and a half. still can't get him to embrace linux--he's a gamer. So am I! I use Debian exclusively, even at LAN parties. I was at a LAN party last summer back when I had a spare box to kick around for parties, and I was playing UT. And a bunch of guys were watching me play and holding about 700 frags per hour and an acceptable framerate on an underpowered box (relative to the rest of the crowd) amazed that I got a shitbox to perform acceptably well, while badmouthing Linux when someone else brought it up. The figured I was overclocking. I wasn't (at the time). Quit out of the game, show off my true colors. You shoulda seen jaws drop and opinions shift; it probably registered on the richter scale. send me a list of what he'd need to do the same, and i'll work on enabling the transition. forgive the ignorance, but what's ut? ben -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Friday 31 December 1999 04:03 pm, Frank Brodbeck wrote: Hello everybody. I'm having over here great trouble. The following is my cruel fate: Everything started a good year ago. It was ca. the start-up of my 'Linux-at-home career' and also the first time, one of my harddrives died a - to me - mysterious death. At this time I often switched from linux to Windows and vice versa. More about the 'mysterious death' of my harddrive. It was a Quantum Fireball with about 14 GByte of capacity and a slot A AMD Athlon on a Epox EP-7KXA Mainboard. All worked pretty fine and then suddenly I heard this strange sound from my harddrive. It twanged like the read/write header of the hdd would somehow hang. First of all, the system just froze for several seconds but after short time the system started to freeze completely after such events and also the frequency of these sounds increased rapidly. For then I just believed the onboard IDE Controller of my motherboard would be damaged. So a new mainboard came and also a new cpu. I changed to an Asus A7V-E with a AMD Duron upon it. The harddisk was a Western Digital with 20 GByte capacity. I began to increase my work on linux - mainly struggling with getting the system configured :) - and let me say, about almost half a year again this strange sound came from my beloved WD hdd. Concerned about this new shocking event I went to my retailer to make use of my warranty. Now I got this new hdd. A WD 40GByte diskspace. She lasted from October last year till a few days ago. She still is at work but only because there is no working hdd around and I am not willed to buy any new until I know where damages came from. Oh, I forgot, due to power blackout - a worker drilled right through the power cable - my AMD Duron died and I'm having a new system since three weeks now. It's a dual Intel Celeron 533 installed on a Abit BP6 Board. Rememberring, that I had lost documents of a high priority for me on my first hdd that gave this horrible concert I tried to rescue some data. Well, I wasn't able to rescue the important stuff but at least some personal data. Since the day I attached this old hdd to my system my WD 40 GByte sings the song of destruction. You know what I mean, this strange sound that twangs like a read/write header of a harddisks got stuck. Friends of mine, interested in hardware but not all really familiar with the stuff and also Microsoftlovers keep on telling me 'Linux is the source of all evil'. I'm pretty unused to make real analyzes and so I hope that someone could tell me how to find the source that leads to those hdd damages. Could it be a unlucky hardware setting of mine? hi frank, first off, you need new friends. second, either your mail--dated dec 31, 1999--mysteriously took two and a half years to get to the list or you need to replace that little lithium battery on the motherboard. third, on the issue of your history of damaged hardware, given that so many variations are involved, i'm wondering if the physical location of your different systems has always been the same. is their anything close by that gives off electromagnetic interference? is their a kid in the house who might be sticking pennies in the cd slot? a crack in your favorite coffee mug that sits on top of the box? as far as linux being responsible, i really can't imagine how it could be. ben -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello Ben ben came to use his tongue on Fri, May 31, 2002 at 04:54:01PM -0700 hi frank, first off, you need new friends. second, either your mail--dated dec 31, 1999--mysteriously took two and a half years to get to the list or you need to replace that little lithium battery on the motherboard. third, on Yup, I need at least more friends using linux. And the date crashed with my last hdd caused system freeze and I didn't realized it before sending two emails to debian-user. But the date has been restored. the issue of your history of damaged hardware, given that so many variations are involved, i'm wondering if the physical location of your different systems has always been the same. is their anything close by that gives off electromagnetic interference? is their a kid in the house who might be sticking pennies in the cd slot? a crack in your favorite coffee mug that Nope i changed rooms. The 40 GByte hdd has been 'infected' in my new room. Hm, Here are just my PC, monitor and my videorecorder. I dont't think to much interferences - the shortest distance from my other gadgets to the PC is about 30 cm. And no, there's no kid running around and my favourite coffe mug is leak-proof :) sits on top of the box? as far as linux being responsible, i really can't imagine how it could be. Hm, maybe I am just banished from my sanctuary? Argl, where are the Wizards when you need them? :) Frank P.S.: I don't even have a mobile phone (heard of interferences between some hdd's and those gadgets) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- $ Hello World! $ I am [Ff]rank ;) 1024D/EC4CE5CC 2002-05-14 Frank Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] fingerprint = 193D 62EC 03A5 1066 A951 4DA3 947A D578 EC4C E5CC pgpuXaB7bxs6s.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Friday 31 May 2002 05:13 pm, Frank Brodbeck wrote: Hello Ben ben came to use his tongue on Fri, May 31, 2002 at 04:54:01PM -0700 hi frank, first off, you need new friends. second, either your mail--dated dec 31, 1999--mysteriously took two and a half years to get to the list or you need to replace that little lithium battery on the motherboard. third, on Yup, I need at least more friends using linux. And the date crashed with my last hdd caused system freeze and I didn't realized it before sending two emails to debian-user. But the date has been restored. the issue of your history of damaged hardware, given that so many variations are involved, i'm wondering if the physical location of your different systems has always been the same. is their anything close by that gives off electromagnetic interference? is their a kid in the house who might be sticking pennies in the cd slot? a crack in your favorite coffee mug that Nope i changed rooms. The 40 GByte hdd has been 'infected' in my new room. Hm, Here are just my PC, monitor and my videorecorder. I dont't think to much interferences - the shortest distance from my other gadgets to the PC is about 30 cm. And no, there's no kid running around and my favourite coffe mug is leak-proof :) sits on top of the box? as far as linux being responsible, i really can't imagine how it could be. Hm, maybe I am just banished from my sanctuary? Argl, where are the Wizards when you need them? :) yeah, even metaphysical police have the same habits. are you buying all this equipment from the same vendor? maybe the drives are being stressed in some prior environment. even if different vendors are involved, they might use the same wholesale supplier. what version(s) of linux are you using? the only other thing that i can think of--and this is really far-fetched--is that you've got some wildly mangled application going medieval on your drives. actually, one more thing comes to mind: the local power system and/or the power outlet your computer is attached to. is it possible that there are dramatic surges on the power line? that's all i've got. it's certainly an unusual story. i'm intrigued. if you find out what's responsible, let me know. ben -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 31 December 1999 04:03 pm, Frank Brodbeck wrote: Hello everybody. I'm having over here great trouble. The following is my cruel fate: Cruel fate: this *is* going to be a good story, I'll read on :) At this time I often switched from linux to Windows and vice versa. Yuppers, that would be a cruel situation. I did it too for a small time, but I just couldn't ignore RMS's suggestions of implied migration. It was a Quantum Fireball with about 14 GByte. Killed a few of those too, but I used combo of Windows DOS then. It twanged like the read/write header of the hdd would somehow hang. Time to backup what you can and toss it in the trash. The harddisk was a Western Digital with 20 GByte capacity. Killed at least two of those. One via a nasty power surge/outage and second with 100 watts of high frequency amateur radio signal, the rig was poorly grounded and fed in via temporary sound card connection. Now I got this new hdd. A WD 40GByte diskspace. She lasted from October last year till a few days ago. That would cause me to look at grid power supply, computer power supply (do use minimum 300 watt). I learned that the last 20GB drive on a windows box I had given away died very much like yours did. Leads me to think WD isn't what an IBM is. I wasn't able to rescue the important stuff but at least some personal data. My fear is loss of school work. I keep back-up copies on two computers, and burn a CDWR disk from time to time. The rest of the data was found on the net and can be re-smurfed if I still want the data locally. I also don't worry about backing up my OS. Waste of time IMO as Debian has an excellent web presence. Friends of mine, interested in hardware but not all really familiar with the stuff and also Microsoftlovers keep on telling me 'Linux is the source of all evil'. Finding good and intelligent friends is always difficult. Dumb(er) friends seem to always be in ample supply. :) I'm pretty unused to make real analyzes and so I hope that someone could tell me how to find the source that leads to those hdd damages. Could it be a unlucky hardware setting of mine? Frank I repeat; check your grid power supply, too much makes bad things happen, but too little also has bad effects on current hardware. UPS is a very good investment, and better UPS's offer clean and regulated supply of power to your devices. Next check the power supply in your case. Many weird things have happened with the cheaper power supplies. 300 watts is a good minimum, 350-400 is even better. I am having excellent luck with my IBM 60GB drives. They are far quieter than the WD's were. The IBM's also moves data faster than the 7200 RPM WD drives. They price so closely at retail that I don't see price as an issue today. I am not impressed with the amount of WD failures I have expereinced or learned about, so I decided to stop buying them. Backup stuff you want to keep on CDR or CDRW disks. They stand a better chance at surviving all sorts of terrible things like magnets, damp conditions, and electrical spikes. They are also nicely portable and easy to keep safe. I don't think your drive failures have anything to do with Linux at all. You don't mention what type of file system you use, but I would expect you used the defacto EXT2. If you did use another FS, you may wish to investigate further for future installs. I do wish you success at recovery. tatah - -- Jaye Inabnit\ARS ke6sls\/A GNU-Debian linux user\/ http://www.qsl.net/ke6sls If it's stupid, but works, it ain't stupid. I SHOUT JUST FOR FUN. Free software, in a free world, for a free spirit. Please Support freedom! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD4DBQE8+B6fZHBxKsta6kMRAonWAJ4zwuViKKs11mrbL5ByDHvTZG1KEQCYysoK GR3l1KQSOrFtKF1EnxbVpg== =a/F8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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are you buying all this equipment from the same vendor? maybe the drives are being stressed in some prior environment. even if different vendors are involved, they might use the same wholesale supplier. My second thought on this. what version(s) of linux are you using? the only other thing that i can think of--and this is really far-fetched--is that you've got some wildly mangled application going medieval on your drives. actually, one more thing comes to mind: the local power system and/or the power outlet your computer is attached to. is it possible that there are dramatic surges on the power line? My first first idea, seeing as he is buying motherboards also. I would suggest a good power conditioner. My third thought is maybe he is taking out his frustrations on his computer. I know I want to kick mine sometimes. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Jaye Jaye came to use his tongue on Fri, May 31, 2002 at 06:08:43PM -0700 Cruel fate: this *is* going to be a good story, I'll read on :) Influence of my rpg activities, I guess *s* It twanged like the read/write header of the hdd would somehow hang. Time to backup what you can and toss it in the trash. I always wished to make a backup system, but somehow I'm lack of harddrives :/ My fear is loss of school work. My problem is, that I often work on short stories or writing stuff for rpg I repeat; check your grid power supply, too much makes bad things happen, but too little also has bad effects on current hardware. UPS is a very good investment, and Is on my wish list I am having excellent luck with my IBM 60GB drives. I had a IBM 20 GByte. Suddenly some smd elements just felt off. It was obviously a manufacturing damage but all IBM said was: No warranty for OEM products, thanks for your interest. But I guess, I'll have another try on IBM I don't think your drive failures have anything to do with Linux at all. Now I can sleep, thanks :) You don't mention what type of file system you use, but I would expect you used the defacto EXT2. Nope, I run reiserfs. I do wish you success at recovery. Thanks. I hope I'll fix the problem soon... -- $ Hello World! $ I am [Ff]rank ;) 1024D/EC4CE5CC 2002-05-14 Frank Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] fingerprint = 193D 62EC 03A5 1066 A951 4DA3 947A D578 EC4C E5CC pgpHfJcQwKUpw.pgp Description: PGP signature
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I really do like my PC. And I never hit but sometimes hug her :) Later on I will go and check my box power supply. -- $ Hello World! $ I am [Ff]rank ;) 1024D/EC4CE5CC 2002-05-14 Frank Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] fingerprint = 193D 62EC 03A5 1066 A951 4DA3 947A D578 EC4C E5CC pgplYrEE1Tvw0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Friday 31 May 2002 06:59 pm, Frank Brodbeck wrote: I really do like my PC. And I never hit but sometimes hug her :) Later on I will go and check my box power supply. you haven't been using the same power supply on all of those different machines, so i seriously doubt that the system power supply is at fault. you might want to check with your neighbors to find out if there's a radio transmitter in or near the building, and to find out if anyone else has experienced anything similar; that is, assuming you've always been at that location throughout the history of the equipment failure. also check for cell phone antennas in the immediate surrounding area. ben -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sat, Jan 01, 2000 at 01:03:57AM +0100, Frank Brodbeck wrote: my harddrive. It was a Quantum Fireball with about 14 GByte of capacity I've never had a Fireball last more than a year, Windows or Linux. to buy any new until I know where damages came from. Oh, I forgot, due to power blackout - a worker drilled right through the power cable - my AMD Duron died and I'm having a new system since three weeks now. Nasty power spike likely killed the last drive, then. You might consider a line conditioner or backup power supply. APC makes good ones. Of course this brings up another question: Is your power supply reliable? Electronics get *really* tweaky when power is played with. stuck. Friends of mine, interested in hardware but not all really familiar with the stuff and also Microsoftlovers keep on telling me 'Linux is the source of all evil'. Well, yeah, they're under Satan's influence, of course they're going to try and smear something that gives you reliablity, is flexible, and respects your freedom. -- Baloo pgpkQF8os8W4G.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Fri, 2002-05-31 at 20:59, Frank Brodbeck wrote: I really do like my PC. And I never hit but sometimes hug her :) Later on I will go and check my box power supply. I doubt the power supply is the culprit. Most machines with one hard drive and one cdrom should work fine on 250w supply, don't know about dual processor. I never buy less than 300w. I think your best bet is an UPS with built-in power conditioner. The cheap ones just monitor the power and revert to battery when line conditions are not right. I once had a power problem, called the power co. to tell them the transformer on the pole had a red light glowing, they told me that meant the transformer had a problem and they would send someone to look at it. Two years later I moved and the transformer still had that red light. For those two years I had two cheap UPS that would beep at the same time several times a day. So I say a power conditioner ahead of the UPS or built-in is the best. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kills Linux hdd's?
ben wrote: On Friday 31 December 1999 04:03 pm, Frank Brodbeck wrote: Hello everybody. I'm having over here great trouble. The following is my cruel fate: snip about Western Digital drives that keep exhibiting the Western Digital Knock of Death My co-workers and I have seen (or actually heard) a lot of this over the past four or five years. The Gateway computers we purchased came with Western Digital drives. Accordingly, we've pretty much developed an attitude against this brand. (NOTE: We haven't seen the problems so much in the past year or so, so either the drives have improved, or the cause of the problem has decreased.) About the best guess we can make for the cause of the failures other than poor design is brown power. Several of the failed drives are in a building known for power problems. Is your computer on the same circuit as a large sucker of electrons, like a refridgerator, air conditioner, space heater, copy machine, etc? If you can get hold of a power analyzer, put it between the computer and the wall socket for a couple of days to monitor the line quality. You might want to invest in an Uninterruptable Power Supply. Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kills Linux hdd's?
On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 04:54:01PM -0700, ben wrote: On Friday 31 December 1999 04:03 pm, Frank Brodbeck wrote: Hello everybody. I'm having over here great trouble. The following is my cruel fate: Everything started a good year ago. It was ca. the start-up of my 'Linux-at-home career' and also the first time, one of my harddrives died a - to me - mysterious death. At this time I often switched from linux to Windows and vice versa. More about the 'mysterious death' of my harddrive. It was a Quantum Fireball with about 14 GByte of capacity and a slot A AMD Athlon on a Epox EP-7KXA Mainboard. All worked pretty fine and then suddenly I heard this strange sound from my harddrive. It twanged like the read/write header of the hdd would somehow hang. First of all, the system just froze for several seconds but after short time the system started to freeze completely after such events and also the frequency of these sounds increased rapidly. For then I just believed the onboard IDE Controller of my motherboard would be damaged. So a new mainboard came and also a new cpu. I changed to an What about a new power supply? And new internal interconnect cables (power and signal)? That any software could actually cause the destruction of hardware is an indication of rather bad hardware design, IMHO. Well yes, multisync monitors can be over driven, but IMHO this is evidence that they are badly designed. Asus A7V-E with a AMD Duron upon it. The harddisk was a Western Digital with 20 GByte capacity. I began to increase my work on linux - mainly struggling with getting the system configured :) - and let me say, about almost half a year again this strange sound came from my beloved WD hdd. Concerned about this new shocking event I went to my retailer to make use of my warranty. Now I got this new hdd. A WD 40GByte diskspace. She lasted from October last year till a few days ago. She still is at work but only because there is no working hdd around and I am not willed to buy any new until I know where damages came from. Oh, I forgot, due to power blackout - a worker drilled right through the power cable - my AMD Duron died and I'm having a new system since three weeks now. It's a dual Intel Celeron 533 installed on a Abit BP6 Board. Rememberring, that I had lost documents of a high priority for me on my first hdd that gave this horrible concert I tried to rescue some data. Well, I wasn't able to rescue the important stuff but at least some personal data. Since the day I attached this old hdd to my system my WD 40 GByte sings the song of destruction. You know what I mean, this strange sound that twangs like a read/write header of a harddisks got stuck. Friends of mine, interested in hardware but not all really familiar with the stuff and also Microsoftlovers keep on telling me 'Linux is the source of all evil'. I'm pretty unused to make real analyzes and so I hope that someone could tell me how to find the source that leads to those hdd damages. Could it be a unlucky hardware setting of mine? hi frank, first off, you need new friends. second, either your mail--dated dec 31, 1999--mysteriously took two and a half years to get to the list or you need to replace that little lithium battery on the motherboard. third, on the issue of your history of damaged hardware, given that so many variations are involved, i'm wondering if the physical location of your different systems has always been the same. is their anything close by that gives off electromagnetic interference? is their a kid in the house who might be sticking pennies in the cd slot? a crack in your favorite coffee mug that sits on top of the box? as far as linux being responsible, i really can't imagine how it could be. ben -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Paul E Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kills Linux hdd's?
On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 04:54:01PM -0700, ben wrote: hi frank, first off, you need new friends. second, either your mail--dated dec 31, 1999--mysteriously took two and a half years to get to the list or you need to replace that little lithium battery on the motherboard. third, on Or at least run ntpdate at bootup, my understanding is ntpdate doesn't care about giant time differences. -- Baloo pgpKJ5WyqNmbz.pgp Description: PGP signature
