Re: New SATA drive installation question (SOLVED)
On Wednesday 28 September 2011 12:10:05 Camaleón wrote: > Sorry, Lisi but on a mailing list there are some rules you should try to > follow, and I don't want to sound rude but you insisted too much in > remarking something I was not talking about, dunno why. Camaleón - this is absurd. You do sound extremely rude. You don't follow the rules yourself. What about the one about not flaming? I diverted nothing. No-one but you responded. I have not started, nor wished to start, the thread you imagine I was trying to start. And I didn't insist at all. I suggest that _you_ reread the thread. I made a remark to which you took exception. I did not react at all to your first blast, because I knew that you were likely to react as you in fact did. One person said that he didn't think I had meant what you were attributing to me. So you blasted him. Had you not done so, I would still have let it pass. I replied that he was right and that I had not meant what you said I meant. That was all. ALL the insisting is being done by you. It is not up to you to single handedly police the net. I fully expect in the near future that someone will object to all this flaming. But I am not prepared to just accept that you are entitled to treat me like this. You are being rude and dictatorial. And I did not insist on anything until after you had started this ridiculous attack/war. And I do insist that the only thing I did contrary to net etiquette is not reread the thread. I made no attempt to divert it. I just reacted to a remark by you in a manner which you feel (probably correctly) ignored the full thread. Of course I spoke from my own experience. Would you have been happier if I had simply flatly contradicted what you said, without making it clear what I was talking about? I thought that you were exaggerating. Most of us do sometimes. I am not prepared to just sit here meekly while you order me around like this. You are one of the most knowledgeable and most helpful of all the people on this list. That does not give you the right to behave in such a bombastic, rude and high-handed way. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201109281757.39143.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: New SATA drive installation question (SOLVED)
On Wed, 28 Sep 2011 18:34:23 +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > Am Mittwoch, 28. September 2011 schrieb Camaleón: >> On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 18:50:05 +0100, Lisi wrote: >> > On Tuesday 27 September 2011 12:53:34 Camaleón wrote: >> >> Then, you have to start reading the "whole thing" (aka, the whole >> >> thread) before making such statements on what you find "qualified" >> >> or not because something can look unqualified only to unqualified >> >> eyes, so please, I understand that sometimes we (we → mailing list >> >> users) want to make a side comment on something that affects us >> >> directy and use any excuse to move the thread to our field of >> >> interest but at least be fair enough to not mix things. >> > >> > I wasn't trying to move anything. >> >> It didn't seemed so. You deliberately added information about your own >> problem (that has nothing to do with the one experienced by the OP) and >> by doing so redirected the main issue (OP's) to another one (yours). > > What speaks against carrying this out in private mail? Or even just drop > it? From what I gathered there have been a misunderstanding, granted, > but I fail to find the drama in there. No problem. For me this thread is now closed. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.09.28.16.43...@gmail.com
Re: New SATA drive installation question (SOLVED)
Am Mittwoch, 28. September 2011 schrieb Camaleón: > On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 18:50:05 +0100, Lisi wrote: > > On Tuesday 27 September 2011 12:53:34 Camaleón wrote: > >> Then, you have to start reading the "whole thing" (aka, the whole > >> thread) before making such statements on what you find "qualified" > >> or not because something can look unqualified only to unqualified > >> eyes, so please, I understand that sometimes we (we → mailing list > >> users) want to make a side comment on something that affects us > >> directy and use any excuse to move the thread to our field of > >> interest but at least be fair enough to not mix things. > > > > I wasn't trying to move anything. > > It didn't seemed so. You deliberately added information about your own > problem (that has nothing to do with the one experienced by the OP) and > by doing so redirected the main issue (OP's) to another one (yours). What speaks against carrying this out in private mail? Or even just drop it? From what I gathered there have been a misunderstanding, granted, but I fail to find the drama in there. Thanks, -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201109281834.23767.mar...@lichtvoll.de
Re: New SATA drive installation question (SOLVED)
On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 18:50:05 +0100, Lisi wrote: > On Tuesday 27 September 2011 12:53:34 Camaleón wrote: >> Then, you have to start reading the "whole thing" (aka, the whole >> thread) before making such statements on what you find "qualified" or >> not because something can look unqualified only to unqualified eyes, so >> please, I understand that sometimes we (we → mailing list users) want >> to make a side comment on something that affects us directy and use any >> excuse to move the thread to our field of interest but at least be fair >> enough to not mix things. > > I wasn't trying to move anything. It didn't seemed so. You deliberately added information about your own problem (that has nothing to do with the one experienced by the OP) and by doing so redirected the main issue (OP's) to another one (yours). > You persist in deliberately twisting both what I said then and what I > am saying now. It's not me who cuts your quotes and reduce them to "one line" and then replies to a one-line stanza and disturbs the context in what it was made. > I am quoting what I am actually replying to. And that's fine. I also do but I also take care of the removed content and reply accordingly! So if I was talking about a specific device (internal hard disks), why on the earth should I have considered another kind of HDs? Do you want me to start making a list of every device current capacities and formatting features? That will be a very large list. > I am not mixing anything or trying to move anything. I am merely > "guilty" of not pleasing you. That is not a crime. And I do not have > to do what you want. That does not sound very fair... is not just me the only person you should reply correctly but to all of the users :-/ > If you want to try to move and misinterpret what I say, go ahead, but > stop lecturing me as though I were a naughty schoolgirl. Sorry, Lisi but on a mailing list there are some rules you should try to follow, and I don't want to sound rude but you insisted too much in remarking something I was not talking about, dunno why. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.09.28.11.10...@gmail.com
Re: New SATA drive installation question (SOLVED)
On Tuesday 27 September 2011 12:53:34 Camaleón wrote: > Then, you have to start reading the "whole thing" (aka, the whole thread) > before making such statements on what you find "qualified" or not because > something can look unqualified only to unqualified eyes, so please, I > understand that sometimes we (we → mailing list users) want to make a > side comment on something that affects us directy and use any excuse to > move the thread to our field of interest but at least be fair enough to > not mix things. I wasn't trying to move anything. You persist in deliberately twisting both what I said then and what I am saying now. I am quoting what I am actually replying to. I am not mixing anything or trying to move anything. I am merely "guilty" of not pleasing you. That is not a crime. And I do not have to do what you want. If you want to try to move and misinterpret what I say, go ahead, but stop lecturing me as though I were a naughty schoolgirl. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201109271850.05532.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: New SATA drive installation question (SOLVED)
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011 23:06:06 +0100, Lisi wrote: Gee... still with this? :-) > On Monday 26 September 2011 19:07:17 Camaleón wrote: >> Yes, you should have read the full thread > > I'm not the only one who has been known to transgress in that manner. > And I'm sure that I won't be the last. Don't you think that this all > getting a bit OTT for what was, after all, not that serious a > misdemeanour? Lisi, just some thoughts... You have to stop cutting the quotes you reply in the way you do because by doing so you are removing information that is needed to understand what the user you are replying is saying. Then, you have to start reading the "whole thing" (aka, the whole thread) before making such statements on what you find "qualified" or not because something can look unqualified only to unqualified eyes, so please, I understand that sometimes we (we → mailing list users) want to make a side comment on something that affects us directy and use any excuse to move the thread to our field of interest but at least be fair enough to not mix things. Hope all is more clear now. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.09.27.11.53...@gmail.com
Re: New SATA drive installation question (SOLVED)
On Monday 26 September 2011 19:07:17 Camaleón wrote: > Yes, you should have read the full thread I'm not the only one who has been known to transgress in that manner. And I'm sure that I won't be the last. Don't you think that this all getting a bit OTT for what was, after all, not that serious a misdemeanour? Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201109262306.06253.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: New SATA drive installation question (SOLVED)
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011 18:47:45 +0100, Lisi wrote: > On Sunday 25 September 2011 18:29:10 Camaleón wrote: >> It seems to me that you replied to more than that statement as we were >> not talking about external hard disks at all. > > I _was_ replying solely to the statement. And you expanded with additional information that was not related at all with the current OP thread and of course, with the above statement that was not aimed to external nor other types of hard disks. > I did not read thro' the thread and make sure of the context, and you > can and do say that I should have. None-the-less, I was replying to the > actual statement. Yes, you should have read the full thread, because by not doing so you missed important and relevant information, and what is worse, you "insisted" in consider an unqualified statement something which of course, it was not should you have read it appropriately. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.09.26.18.07...@gmail.com
Re: New SATA drive installation question (SOLVED)
On Sunday 25 September 2011 18:29:10 Camaleón wrote: > It seems to me that you replied to more than that statement as we were > not talking about external hard disks at all. I _was_ replying solely to the statement. I did not read thro' the thread and make sure of the context, and you can and do say that I should have. None-the-less, I was replying to the actual statement. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201109261847.45976.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: New SATA drive installation question (SOLVED)
On Sun, 25 Sep 2011 18:48:16 -0700, Marc Shapiro wrote: > On 09/25/11 06:36, Camaleón wrote: >> On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 22:34:12 -0700, Marc Shapiro wrote: >> >> No new modern hard disk will come partitioned, they come low-level >> formatted from factory :-) > > That shows how long it's been since I installed a new drive. The last > time that I did so, it was the current drive in this box -- a 40GB WD > drive. It came with a single FAT partition, IIRC. I've never had an internal hard disk which came preformatted from factory but in the past, every manufacturer had its own "mania" and tried to make installations as smooth as possible for the user. I can't tell for WD, though, I used to buy IBM (for SCSI) and Seagate (IDE/SATA/SCSI). > Do they even make 40GB drives anymore? You can still find small sized hard disks, mostly IDE, but I dunno if companies are actively manufactiring them. I guess yes, because aside the computers market, there are industries where IDE units are still used (CCTV, embedded devices for industry, etc...). Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.09.26.11.48...@gmail.com
Re: New SATA drive installation question (SOLVED)
On 09/25/11 06:36, Camaleón wrote: On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 22:34:12 -0700, Marc Shapiro wrote: No new modern hard disk will come partitioned, they come low-level formatted from factory :-) That shows how long it's been since I installed a new drive. The last time that I did so, it was the current drive in this box -- a 40GB WD drive. It came with a single FAT partition, IIRC. Do they even make 40GB drives anymore? I have another question about this drive now, but I'll start a new thread for that. Marc -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4e7fd9e0.60...@gmail.com
Re: New SATA drive installation question (SOLVED)
On Sun, 25 Sep 2011 17:30:24 +0100, Lisi wrote: > On Sunday 25 September 2011 17:25:16 Camaleón wrote: >> On Sun, 25 Sep 2011 16:11:38 +, Curt wrote: >> > On 2011-09-25, Camaleón wrote: >> >> On Sun, 25 Sep 2011 16:24:30 +0100, Lisi wrote: >> >>> On Sunday 25 September 2011 14:36:57 Camaleón wrote: >> No new modern hard disk will come partitioned, they come low-level >> formatted from factory :-) >> >>> >> >>> Unless it's external. >> >> >> >> Barracuda disks are not usually external. Seagate uses fancy names >> >> for >> > >> > But you said "No new modern hard disk will come partitioned" and Lisi >> > was replying directly to that (unqualified) statement. >> >> The "unqualified" statement was placed in a context (Barracuda and BIOS >> tweaking) so of course we were talking on internal disks (not PCI-e >> SSD, not USB flash based keys, not SD cards, etc...). > > None the less, Curt is correct. I was reacting solely to the > unqualified statement. You can - and apparently do ;-) - reply that I > ought not to have done so. But I did. It seems to me that you replied to more than that statement as we were not talking about external hard disks at all. You can, however, open a new thread for the problem you were facing with your own disk :-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.09.25.17.29...@gmail.com
Re: New SATA drive installation question (SOLVED)
On Sunday 25 September 2011 17:25:16 Camaleón wrote: > On Sun, 25 Sep 2011 16:11:38 +, Curt wrote: > > On 2011-09-25, Camaleón wrote: > >> On Sun, 25 Sep 2011 16:24:30 +0100, Lisi wrote: > >>> On Sunday 25 September 2011 14:36:57 Camaleón wrote: > No new modern hard disk will come partitioned, they come low-level > formatted from factory :-) > >>> > >>> Unless it's external. > >> > >> Barracuda disks are not usually external. Seagate uses fancy names for > > > > But you said "No new modern hard disk will come partitioned" and Lisi > > was replying directly to that (unqualified) statement. > > The "unqualified" statement was placed in a context (Barracuda and BIOS > tweaking) so of course we were talking on internal disks (not PCI-e SSD, > not USB flash based keys, not SD cards, etc...). None the less, Curt is correct. I was reacting solely to the unqualified statement. You can - and apparently do ;-) - reply that I ought not to have done so. But I did. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201109251730.24764.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: New SATA drive installation question (SOLVED)
On Sunday 25 September 2011 16:49:35 Camaleón wrote: > I never buy those pre-boxed disks... I prefer to get an external USB/ > Firewire case and put an internal disk on it, they're far better and > easily to upgrade than the others ;-) After this battle, I think that I shall remember that! Thanks, Camaleón. That is very useful advice/information!! Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201109251727.03228.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: New SATA drive installation question (SOLVED)
On Sun, 25 Sep 2011 16:11:38 +, Curt wrote: > On 2011-09-25, Camaleón wrote: >> On Sun, 25 Sep 2011 16:24:30 +0100, Lisi wrote: >> >>> On Sunday 25 September 2011 14:36:57 Camaleón wrote: No new modern hard disk will come partitioned, they come low-level formatted from factory :-) >>> >>> Unless it's external. >> >> Barracuda disks are not usually external. Seagate uses fancy names for > > But you said "No new modern hard disk will come partitioned" and Lisi > was replying directly to that (unqualified) statement. The "unqualified" statement was placed in a context (Barracuda and BIOS tweaking) so of course we were talking on internal disks (not PCI-e SSD, not USB flash based keys, not SD cards, etc...). I try to keep the target, sir. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.09.25.16.25...@gmail.com
Re: New SATA drive installation question (SOLVED)
On 2011-09-25, Camaleón wrote: > On Sun, 25 Sep 2011 16:24:30 +0100, Lisi wrote: > >> On Sunday 25 September 2011 14:36:57 Camaleón wrote: >>> No new modern hard disk will come partitioned, they come low-level >>> formatted from factory :-) >> >> Unless it's external. > > Barracuda disks are not usually external. Seagate uses fancy names for But you said "No new modern hard disk will come partitioned" and Lisi was replying directly to that (unqualified) statement. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/slrnj7ukin.35n.cu...@einstein.electron.org
Re: New SATA drive installation question (SOLVED)
On Sun, 25 Sep 2011 16:24:30 +0100, Lisi wrote: > On Sunday 25 September 2011 14:36:57 Camaleón wrote: >> No new modern hard disk will come partitioned, they come low-level >> formatted from factory :-) > > Unless it's external. Barracuda disks are not usually external. Seagate uses fancy names for external disks such as GoFlex, BlackArmour, RedColibri, BuyThis and so on... :-D > Then it will be clogged up with Windows stuff that it will relinquish > only very, very reluctantly. I still haven't got my latest buy > functioning properly: it almost is, but insists that it is read only. > %^*£". In despair I set the permissions at 777 and is _still_ insists > that it is read only. :-( (Nothing on it is even vaguely confidential > or personal.) Though it will write distros but not md5sums. I never buy those pre-boxed disks... I prefer to get an external USB/ Firewire case and put an internal disk on it, they're far better and easily to upgrade than the others ;-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.09.25.15.49...@gmail.com
Re: New SATA drive installation question (SOLVED)
On Sunday 25 September 2011 14:36:57 Camaleón wrote: > No new modern hard disk will come partitioned, they come low-level > formatted from factory :-) Unless it's external. Then it will be clogged up with Windows stuff that it will relinquish only very, very reluctantly. I still haven't got my latest buy functioning properly: it almost is, but insists that it is read only. %^*£". In despair I set the permissions at 777 and is _still_ insists that it is read only. :-( (Nothing on it is even vaguely confidential or personal.) Though it will write distros but not md5sums. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201109251624.30632.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: New SATA drive installation question (SOLVED)
On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 22:34:12 -0700, Marc Shapiro wrote: > On 09/24/11 20:48, Marc Shapiro wrote: (...) >> Do I need to make changes in the BIOS to recognize SATA drives? > > Obviously, I needed to answer my own question. Yes! I did need to > activate SATA in the BIOS. (...) It's not very common for a motherboard with sata ports to have them disabled :-? > As soon as I did so 'ls /dev/disk/by-id' clearly showed the drive as > being /dev/sda. I then did 'fdisk /dev/sda' which showed that it does > not come pre-partitioned. This is, of course, not a problem, since I > would have wiped out the FAT, or NTFS partition and replaced it with > ext-3 partitions, anyway. No new modern hard disk will come partitioned, they come low-level formatted from factory :-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.09.25.13.36...@gmail.com
Re: New SATA drive installation question (SOLVED)
On 09/24/11 20:48, Marc Shapiro wrote: I'm feeling really dumb right now. Okay, I'm not dumb, I'm just lacking the information that I need at this time. I just installed a new SATA 1TB Seagate Barracuda drive in my Lenny box with FVWM as my window manager. This is the first time that I have installed a SATA drive. How do I determine what drive name to use to repartition and reformat the drive. With an IDE drive I can tell what it is from its position on the cable. That doesn't work with SATA. I have looked at the output of blkid, as well as looking through /dev/disk/ and I don't see anything that looks like the new drive to me. I also didn't have anything jump out at me from dmesg. Can anyone tell me where I should be looking, and what I should be looking for? Do I need to make changes in the BIOS to recognize SATA drives? Obviously, I needed to answer my own question. Yes! I did need to activate SATA in the BIOS. As soon as I did so 'ls /dev/disk/by-id' clearly showed the drive as being /dev/sda. I then did 'fdisk /dev/sda' which showed that it does not come pre-partitioned. This is, of course, not a problem, since I would have wiped out the FAT, or NTFS partition and replaced it with ext-3 partitions, anyway. Marc -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4e7ebd54.7020...@gmail.com
