Re: No ftp? Have I missed something?
On 5 Jan 1997, Guy Maor wrote: i follow the discussions constantly between redhat, slackware and debian distributions and have not heard one person comment on debian being too large. downloading six megabytes doesnt take that long B) I was also incredulous the first time I heard this argument, but naive users do make it. I agree that at least a broken net-std package should be included, with just ftp and telnet. Especially if there is still room on the last disk set. There's probably not room for the entire net-std package. Guy My vote is for ncftp which will grab a whole tree with one get. It's the first thing I install in this situation. Lindsay -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No ftp? Have I missed something?
Kendrick Myatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Um, how am I supposed to connect to the ftp site if I don't have ftp? Heck, I don't have any inet capabilities except for ping! Maybe I missed something in the documentation, but it appears that have a pretty useless system installed here. Is there someplace I can look that will actually tell me how to set Debian up? I swear, this is really annoying. I have installed many complicated OS in my life, but this takes the cake :( Does everyone go through this crap, or did I get defective files or something? *sigh* Debian is already lambasted for needing more disks than anyone else. The base disks only contain the netbase package, which is the basic binaries need to get a TCP/IP connection up, and not netstd, which is all the clients and daemons you expect. What is on the base disks is dpkg-ftp (it uses perl's Net::FTP, not ftp). Fire up dselect and choose the ftp method. You can download all the other packages with it. Hint - choose netstd for starters. :) Guy -- This message was delayed because the list mail delivery agent was down.
Re: No ftp? Have I missed something?
At 11:11 PM 1/2/97 -0400, Eloy A. Paris wrote: What do you mean? If you can ping any host in the Internet then you have anything you want (FTP, Telnet, News, WWW, etc.) - unless you are behind a firewall or something. Any way, what's the specific problem? ## That *is* the specific problem.. I don't have ftp, telnet, tin, lynx... anything BUT ping in /bin, oh and netstat :( That's why I can't connect to get more packages. Am I SUPPOSED to get these on the 4 base diskettes? If so, then something is wrong with them, or for some ungodly reason they just didn't install. So, unless there is some way for me to get packages without being able to ftp to the site, I am stuck. The main reason I wanted to go to Debian is so I could do just that and not have to download a bunch of diskettes like Slackware. Maybe I should have downloaded 1.1? I was under the assumption, from the docs, that 1.2 was the current release... Regards, Kendrick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No ftp? Have I missed something?
At 07:45 PM 1/2/97 -0800, Syrus Nemat-Nasser wrote: If you did not get the ftp binary, then you did not get a complete base system. It's included. Is your path okay? I think ftp should be in /usr/bin. ## That's what I was thinking. No, didn't get it... Do I have to download the 4 base diskettes for a third time to get it, or is there another disk that fixes this problem. I have installed Debian with base diskettes from the main site and a mirror. Path is fine, but I have no ftp in /usr/bin... or anywhere for that matter. I did a find / -name ftp -print and only came up with the entry in /usr/lib/dpkg/methods/ftp which is a dir with some files and an executable (setup?) that tries to run dpkg with ftp, but fails... I'm really starting to consider loading up 1.1 and NOT 1.2 Thanks for the reply, Kendrick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No ftp? Have I missed something?
At 05:08 PM 1/3/97 +0100, Orn E. Hansen wrote: If you got no ftp, that means you don't have the netstd package... which is in section net. You need netstd, and netbase... if memory serves. If you do have the binaries, and the setup isn't working... try reading the HOWTO for networking NET2-HOWTO. The basics are, that after you have the basic [snip] Yeah, yeah, I know how to configure the network on many an OS, what I am having a problem with is figuring out why I don't have the ftp program when it supposedly comes in the base diskette series. So, if I need this netstd package, then how do I get it? Can I ftp it from another machine and stick it on a floppy? Do I have to rawrite it or can I just ftp the .deb file directly to the floppy? See where I am confused? The documentation says nothing about how to do all that, I should be able to connect via ftp in deselect right after I install the base disks and kernel, but it's just not there :( Did you have to get the netstd package, or were you able to connect to the ftp site during the install? Which version did you install? Sorry for all the questions, but I am trying to figure out what I need to do :) Thanks for the reply! Regards, Kendrick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No ftp? Have I missed something?
Well, I'm not one of the developers so I can't answer for them... but I agree that its a great distribution. I don't use dselect... I did as you and used dpkg straight from the command line, for more or less the same reason... it was crying about dependancies when I already had the package, like X11 and other packages which I had compiled and installed myself. But the problem with 2-10% error over the net... well, I have precisely the same problem here. The package collector routine, doesn't collect packages on the fly, and only request resend of damaged packages... but seems to stop the transmission and request a restart. -- Ørn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] fax; +46 035 217194 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: No ftp? Have I missed something?
In reply to the honourable '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' who said: Debian is already lambasted for needing more disks than anyone else. i follow the discussions constantly between redhat, slackware and debian distributions and have not heard one person comment on debian being too large. downloading six megabytes doesnt take that long B) What is on the base disks is dpkg-ftp (it uses perl's Net::FTP, not ftp is essential if dpkg-ftp or dselect didnt work properly (which it didnt) or is unfamiliar with it, at least it gives the person installing a familiar tool. the last disk in the debian 1.2 set is approximately 350k so there is room on there for ftp surely, maybe we can have a v1.21 that remedies this. perhaps i imagined it but a previous installation of debian 0.93 ? had ftp in it and its a shame it was taken out imho. cheers ++ || | _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ | | _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ | |_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/| | _/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ | | _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ | || || | [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Software Engineering in C++ and SQL | ++ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No ftp? Have I missed something?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- I agree strongly that the last disk in Debian 1.21 (if it ever comes out) should include telnet and ftp, at the very least. I know that EVER time I installed 1.1, I used the ftp that was on the base disks to go and get telnet off another machine *grin* Now that we have an empty disk, shoving a reduced netstd pkg wouldn't bg too bad, would it? - -- Brought to you by the letters V and F and the number 3. Step away from the car. This car is protected by Viper. -- TMBG Ben Gertzfield http://www.imsa.edu/~wilwonka/ Finger me for my public PGP key. See me on FurryMUCK, as Che, and EFNet and YiffNet IRC as Che_Fox. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.4, an Emacs/PGP interface iQBVAwUBMs/58PTlx5Rynzi5AQEESAIAgDNkRXGOLF3FfXiOE53C/eVrPYug0Ur7 js2BKssiJwp73IHnNB/796gbpk0qxFZ+cRfQTveS71fSQ58yo3hcZw== =sP+R -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No ftp? Have I missed something?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Norman Widders) writes: i follow the discussions constantly between redhat, slackware and debian distributions and have not heard one person comment on debian being too large. downloading six megabytes doesnt take that long B) I was also incredulous the first time I heard this argument, but naive users do make it. I agree that at least a broken net-std package should be included, with just ftp and telnet. Especially if there is still room on the last disk set. There's probably not room for the entire net-std package. Guy -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Re: No ftp? Have I missed something?
In reply to the honourable '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' who said: Um, how am I supposed to connect to the ftp site if I don't have ftp? = the latest install set is hmmm how can i put this smile there was no ftp in a new 1.2 installation, this makes it extremely difficult to install imho based on the next problem. using dselect to connect to one of my other machines failed miserably until i worked out why the pathing failed, when trying to get the Packages(.gz) file the hard coded commands used were as follows, this is based on looking at a ftp servers log. cd /stable/binary-i386 nlist stable/binary-i386 note the lack of a leading slash on the second pathname. i had to literally create a path as below to get it to work, based upon dselect prompting me for a path. i have no idea why it works on a mirror site, maybe links ? /stable/binary-i386/stable/binary-i386 K11cron was missing from the /etc/rc1.d rc2.d - rc6.d directories so i had to work out how to get my cron working again, which i did. i also had to touch the /var/spool/cron/crontabs directory. dselect is still unusably slow in screen drawing and scrolling and virtually useless when to trying to navigate it, i prefer the version from 12 months ago and use dpkg from the command line now as its much easier instead of having dselect constantly choose packages and remove things for you. if its going to have smarts builtin do it properly please. B) pppd or something appears to be misbehaving, im getting errors if i look at the output from ifconfig it reports anywhere from 2% - 10% errors, which i never had before 2.0.27 but pppstats does not report any errors. ppp0 RX packets:3782 errors: 103 dropped: 103 overruns: 0 i also have a problem in the /var/log/ppp.log file strauss pppd[14923]: Cannot determine ethernet address for proxy ARP and DNS lookups sometimes fail, unless i requery again. ip_masquerading is misbehaving with the ip_masq_ftp.o module as it stalls constantly during transfers and connections. my configuration also includes firewalls and rules for Forwarding, Input and Output if thats of any interest, moreover throughput on a 28.8 drops down to 200bps at times. i have a complex network here and have really put debian through its paces so anyway just my $0.02c but apart from all that debian is a great distribution keep it up ! ++ || | _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ | | _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ | |_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/| | _/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ | | _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ | || || | [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Software Engineering in C++ and SQL | ++ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No ftp? Have I missed something?
Um, how am I supposed to connect to the ftp site if I don't have ftp? Heck, I don't have any inet capabilities except for ping! Maybe I missed something in the documentation, but it appears that have a pretty useless system installed here. Is there someplace I can look that will actually tell me how to set Debian up? I swear, this is really annoying. I have installed many complicated OS in my life, but this takes the cake :( Does everyone go through this crap, or did I get defective files or something? *sigh* What do you mean? If you can ping any host in the Internet then you have anything you want (FTP, Telnet, News, WWW, etc.) - unless you are behind a firewall or something. Any way, what's the specific problem? E.- -- Eloy A. Paris Information Technology Department Rockwell Automation de Venezuela Telephone: +58-2-9432311 Fax: +58-2-9430323 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No ftp? Have I missed something?
On Thu, 2 Jan 1997, Kendrick Myatt wrote: Um, how am I supposed to connect to the ftp site if I don't have ftp? Heck, I don't have any inet capabilities except for ping! Maybe I missed something in the documentation, but it appears that have a pretty useless system installed here. Is there someplace I can look that will actually tell me how to set Debian up? I swear, this is really annoying. I have installed many complicated OS in my life, but this takes the cake :( Does everyone go through this crap, or did I get defective files or something? *sigh* If you did not get the ftp binary, then you did not get a complete base system. It's included. Is your path okay? I think ftp should be in /usr/bin. Syrus. -- Syrus Nemat-Nasser [EMAIL PROTECTED]UCSD Physics Dept. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No ftp? Have I missed something?
Um, how am I supposed to connect to the ftp site if I don't have ftp? Heck, I don't have any inet capabilities except for ping! Maybe I missed something in the documentation, but it appears that have a pretty useless system installed here. Is there someplace I can look that will actually tell me how to set Debian up? I swear, this is really annoying. I have installed many complicated OS in my life, but this takes the cake :( Does everyone go through this crap, or did I get defective files or something? *sigh* If you got no ftp, that means you don't have the netstd package... which is in section net. You need netstd, and netbase... if memory serves. If you do have the binaries, and the setup isn't working... try reading the HOWTO for networking NET2-HOWTO. The basics are, that after you have the basic net tools... you need to configure the communications layer the network is to communicate through... PPP, SLIP for dial up or ethernet, tokenring, loopback or whatever communications services your net requires. To be able to see if your network is working, you should be able to use the loopback device to telnet or ftp your own machine... to do that, you need to register those services within your machine (as a server for those protocols), this is done in the /etc/inetd.conf file... the lines that do this are: #:STANDARD: These are standard services. ftp stream tcp nowait root/usr/sbin/in.ftpdftpd telnet stream tcp nowait root/usr/sbin/in.telnetd telnetd finger stream tcp nowait root/usr/sbin/in.fingerd fingerd #:BSD: Shell, login, exec and talk are BSD protocols. shell stream tcp nowait root/usr/sbin/in.rshdrshd execstream tcp nowait root/usr/sbin/in.rexecd rexecd login stream tcp nowait root/usr/sbin/in.rlogind rlogind ntalk dgram udp waitroot/usr/sbin/in.talkd talkd After you got the network working internally (loopback), you can prooceed with setting up other communications layers. -- Ørn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] fax; +46 035 217194 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
