Re: Package maintenance on Debian

2013-03-31 Thread sirquijote
 On 29/03/13 23:31, sirquij...@lavabit.com wrote:
 despite the implication of the names, you may find either to be
(mostly) stable and useful, especially if old software is your only
trouble with Debian squeeze.
 Yeah, if it weren't for the older packages, I'd be content.
 How do I migrate to testing or unstable: does it require a re-install or
 do I just add those lists to apt-get?
 nvm, the Debian wiki actually covers this pretty well.
 Thanks for the help. :)

 Make sure you follow the install/upgrade notes carefully when upgrading
from Squeeze to Wheezy/Testing. There are some steps that have to be
done in the right order (upgrading udev and kernel, for a start), or you
will end up with an unusable system.

 It is certainly worth moving to Wheezy, as it will replace Squeeze as
Stable in the very near future.

 --
 Dom

It transpires that Netatalk hasn't reached v3 in sid yet, and the good
folks on the Netatalk mailing list tell me it's highly recommended, so I
think I'll just stick with Squeeze and compile Netatalk 3 myself.

Responses and patience much appreciated :)





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Re: Package maintenance on Debian

2013-03-29 Thread sirquijote
 Hi,

 I've new to Debian, but already I've found two important packages that
 haven't been updated for this OS in a while: Netatalk is almost three
 years out of date, and Privoxy seems just as bad (I'm on 3.0.16, and
 3.0.18 stable was released at the end of 2011).

 I was looking for a stable, well-established and well-supported OS, but
 from the looks of things package maintenance may be flagging badly.

 Is that fair or have I just chanced upon two significant outliers?  If so
 I'm pretty unlucky, considering netatalk and privoxy represent about 66%
 of the total packages I've installed post-setup.

 PS: I apologise for my tone.  I thought I was well into getting this setup
 bedded-down, and my frustration is building.:(


I just got a reply on another list, and it drew my attention to the fact
that Debian is an LTS OS.  I hadn't realised that would affect package
availability too, so the mistake is mine.

Apologies.  Guess I'll just have to find a more appropriate OS.



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Re: Package maintenance on Debian

2013-03-29 Thread John Hasler
sirquijote writes:
 I just got a reply on another list, and it drew my attention to the fact
 that Debian is an LTS OS.

Debian Stable is.  For bleeding edge you want Unstable.

 I hadn't realised that would affect package availability too, so the
 mistake is mine.

You may also want to look at backports.
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Re: Package maintenance on Debian

2013-03-29 Thread green
sirquij...@lavabit.com wrote at 2013-03-29 16:23 -0500:
 Apologies.  Guess I'll just have to find a more appropriate OS.

As already mentioned, squeeze-backports might help, though neither
netatalk nor privoxy currently have more recent versions backported.
Consider building your own backports.  Or trying testing or unstable;
despite the implication of the names, you may find either to be
(mostly) stable and useful, especially if old software is your only
trouble with Debian squeeze.


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Re: Package maintenance on Debian

2013-03-29 Thread SQ
 despite the implication of the names, you may find either to be
 (mostly) stable and useful, especially if old software is your only
 trouble with Debian squeeze.

Yeah, if it weren't for the older packages, I'd be content.

How do I migrate to testing or unstable: does it require a re-install or do I 
just add those lists to apt-get?

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Re: Package maintenance on Debian

2013-03-29 Thread sirquijote
 despite the implication of the names, you may find either to be
 (mostly) stable and useful, especially if old software is your only
 trouble with Debian squeeze.

 Yeah, if it weren't for the older packages, I'd be content.

 How do I migrate to testing or unstable: does it require a re-install or
 do I just add those lists to apt-get?

nvm, the Debian wiki actually covers this pretty well.

Thanks for the help. :)



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Re: Package maintenance on Debian

2013-03-29 Thread Dom

On 29/03/13 23:31, sirquij...@lavabit.com wrote:

despite the implication of the names, you may find either to be
(mostly) stable and useful, especially if old software is your only
trouble with Debian squeeze.


Yeah, if it weren't for the older packages, I'd be content.

How do I migrate to testing or unstable: does it require a re-install or
do I just add those lists to apt-get?


nvm, the Debian wiki actually covers this pretty well.

Thanks for the help. :)



Make sure you follow the install/upgrade notes carefully when upgrading 
from Squeeze to Wheezy/Testing. There are some steps that have to be 
done in the right order (upgrading udev and kernel, for a start), or you 
will end up with an unusable system.


It is certainly worth moving to Wheezy, as it will replace Squeeze as 
Stable in the very near future.


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