Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed
On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 12:00:03 +0200, Sjoerd Hiemstra wrote: > On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 10:35:44 +0300 Andrei Popescu wrote: >> AFAICT there is currently no way to tell update-grub that some (or even >> all) of the partitions found by os-prober are not needed in the menu. > > Well, at least you could edit /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober. Line 35 reads: > > OSPROBED="`os-prober | tr ' ' '^' | paste -s -d ' '`" > > Run os-prober and determine which lines of its output you want to > include or exclude. > Examples: > only include the line that contains sda3: > > OSPROBED="`os-prober | grep sda3 | tr ' ' '^' | paste -s -d ' '`" > > exclude the line that contains sdb4: > > OSPROBED="`os-prober | grep --invert-match sdb4 | tr ' ' '^' | > paste -s -d ' '`" (First message seems to be queued forever in cyberspace, sorry if you will see this twice) This works perfectly man! Thanks! The first "Vista" partition (sda2) seems to be a weird windows ntfs stuff. When i boot it i get a weird windows error screen. Never saw somethings like that. Maybe related to the black magic of the recovery stuff. The second "vista" partition (sda4) is the recovery stuff of Compaq. When i boot it i get the Recovery interface to backup/restore the system. Now need to find a way to fix: FATAL ERROR: Bad primary partition 3: Partition ends in the final partial cylinder Honesty, i worry more about that error, as i dunno the consequence this could have. Kind regards, David Van Mosselbeen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/rfdyo.14765$pr5.3...@newsfe08.ams2
Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed
On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 12:00:03 +0200, Sjoerd Hiemstra wrote: > On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 10:35:44 +0300 Andrei Popescu wrote: >> AFAICT there is currently no way to tell update-grub that some (or even >> all) of the partitions found by os-prober are not needed in the menu. > > Well, at least you could edit /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober. Line 35 reads: > > OSPROBED="`os-prober | tr ' ' '^' | paste -s -d ' '`" > > Run os-prober and determine which lines of its output you want to > include or exclude. > Examples: > only include the line that contains sda3: > > OSPROBED="`os-prober | grep sda3 | tr ' ' '^' | paste -s -d ' '`" > > exclude the line that contains sdb4: > > OSPROBED="`os-prober | grep --invert-match sdb4 | tr ' ' '^' | > paste -s -d ' '`" Woks perfectly so :) Thanks man! Indeed, the first "Vista" partition is some weird "Windows" ntfs thingy, when i try to boot it i get a white on black windows error message. Never saw somethings like that. Probably related to the black magic of the recovery stuff. The second "Vista" partition is the recovery stuff, when i boot on it, i get the Compaq interface to restore or backup the system. Now need to find a way to fix that "Bad primary partition 2" :) Kind regards, David Van Mosselbeen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/eqdyo.32382$gn7.16...@newsfe12.ams2
Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed
On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 10:35:44 +0300 Andrei Popescu wrote: > AFAICT there is currently no way to tell update-grub that some (or > even all) of the partitions found by os-prober are not needed in the > menu. Well, at least you could edit /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober. Line 35 reads: OSPROBED="`os-prober | tr ' ' '^' | paste -s -d ' '`" Run os-prober and determine which lines of its output you want to include or exclude. Examples: only include the line that contains sda3: OSPROBED="`os-prober | grep sda3 | tr ' ' '^' | paste -s -d ' '`" exclude the line that contains sdb4: OSPROBED="`os-prober | grep --invert-match sdb4 | tr ' ' '^' | paste -s -d ' '`" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101026115211.48897a9d.shiems...@kpnplanet.nl
Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed
On Ma, 26 oct 10, 00:57:45, Charles Kroeger wrote: > On Sat, 23 Oct 2010 15:20:01 +0200 > David Van Mosselbeen wrote: > > > 3 Windows operating systems > > (1 win7 and 2 of Vista which i don't have). Had need to run > > update-grub to get this issue fixed. Well, i still have an issue with > > showing 3 windows operating systems in the bootloader, but that's > > another issue :) > > I had a similar issue to this one and solved it by editing the file: > > /boot/grub/grub.cfg > > The one that begins: DO NOT EDIT THIS FILEin it you will see > all those unwanted lists of things you don't want and don't have. And they will be back on the next update-grub. AFAICT there is currently no way to tell update-grub that some (or even all) of the partitions found by os-prober are not needed in the menu. Regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 12:57 AM, Charles Kroeger wrote: > On Sat, 23 Oct 2010 15:20:01 +0200 > David Van Mosselbeen wrote: > >> 3 Windows operating systems >> (1 win7 and 2 of Vista which i don't have). Had need to run >> update-grub to get this issue fixed. Well, i still have an issue with >> showing 3 windows operating systems in the bootloader, but that's >> another issue :) > > I had a similar issue to this one and solved it by editing the file: > > /boot/grub/grub.cfg The Vista partitions must be your "hidden" recovery partitions. You've hit one of the PITAs of grub2; there's no way of making update-grub skip them without editing the "/etc/grub.d" scripts (or edit "/etc/grub/grub.cfg" as you did). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlkti=dtwdin9pyccblcv5sfmpc7pg+w1rydpq6w...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed
On 10/26/2010 12:57 AM, Charles Kroeger wrote: On Sat, 23 Oct 2010 15:20:01 +0200 David Van Mosselbeen wrote: 3 Windows operating systems (1 win7 and 2 of Vista which i don't have). Had need to run update-grub to get this issue fixed. Well, i still have an issue with showing 3 windows operating systems in the bootloader, but that's another issue :) I had a similar issue to this one and solved it by editing the file: /boot/grub/grub.cfg The one that begins: DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE in it you will see all those unwanted lists of things you don't want and don't have. In PCLINUXOS, there is a menu item More Applications>Configuration> Redo MBR. This is also available in the live version, you don't have to install anything. You need to know what partitions your various systems are installed on, and then, from this setup, you can edit out the repeating or erroneous ones and then do "reset MBR." This is a nice graphical grub, btw, and allows enough time to read it before selecting what you want to boot. I wasn't smart enough to figure out the other version mentioned above, so I worked around the problem, successfully. (I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that the file I edited is similar to the file Charlie Kroger refers to.) --doug -- Blessed are the peacemakers...for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A.M. Greeley -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cc66c3e.5060...@optonline.net
Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed
On Sat, 23 Oct 2010 15:20:01 +0200 David Van Mosselbeen wrote: > 3 Windows operating systems > (1 win7 and 2 of Vista which i don't have). Had need to run > update-grub to get this issue fixed. Well, i still have an issue with > showing 3 windows operating systems in the bootloader, but that's > another issue :) I had a similar issue to this one and solved it by editing the file: /boot/grub/grub.cfg The one that begins: DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE in it you will see all those unwanted lists of things you don't want and don't have. -- C. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/8in5e8f86...@mid.individual.net
Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed
On Sun, 24 Oct 2010 02:43:06 -0700, consul tores wrote: > 2010/10/23 consul tores : >> 2010/10/23 David Van Mosselbeen : >> >>> Hi, >>> Kinda late to reply on this, but yah... >>> >>> My wife own a Compaq laptop with Windows 7 preinstalled. A few days ago >>> i >>> have installed Debian testing (the daily netinst cd) on it. I have >>> resized >>> the windows NTFS partition with the debian installer. Just select that >>> option to manualy manage the partition when you are on the partitions >>> screen. Then i created the needed linux partitions. Then installed the >>> base >>> install and installed all my lovely toys. >>> >>> All was ok, just got a little bonus issue, nothing to do with the >>> partitioning (i think). Grub not showing the windows 7 entry in the >>> bootloader menu. os-prober was been detecting 3 Windows operating >>> systems >>> (1 win7 and 2 of Vista which i don't have). Had need to run update-grub >>> to >>> get this issue fixed. Well, i still have an issue with showing 3 windows >>> operating systems in the bootloader, but that's another issue :) Maybe >>> the >>> black magic of the Compaq recovery utility for Windows. I still need to >>> check. >>> >>> Anyway, i recommend you make a good backup before doing irreversible >>> things. >>> >>> Bah, i guess your install is already done a few days ago :) But so you >>> know about this one which i find kinda nice and easy to do. >>> >>> Have a nice day all, >>> David, >> >> Hello David >> >> Just by curiosity! Have you tested your HD using cfdisk, fdisk or sfdisk? >> could you please show the output? > > Ooops, i send it privately; David, could you please show the output of > fdisk and sfdisk? > > -- > Consultores Agropecuarios. > Administracion, Produccion, Capacitacion. Hi Tores, It's good that you talk about it. Seems that there's a little issue with the partitions. cfdisk complains with: FATAL ERROR: Bad primary partition 2: Partition ends in the final partial cylinder Press any key to exit cfdisk And here's output of fdisk: # fdisk -l /dev/sda Disk /dev/sda: 500.1 GB, 500107862016 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 60801 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes Disk identifier: 0x1d0caa27 Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sda1 1 26 2037767 HPFS/NTFS Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary. /dev/sda2 26 48657 3906250007 HPFS/NTFS /dev/sda3 59018 60802143298567 HPFS/NTFS /dev/sda4 48657 59018832256015 Extended /dev/sda5 48657 49629 7812096 82 Linux swap / Solaris /dev/sda6 * 49629 5901875412480 83 Linux Partition table entries are not in disk order And even sfdisk complains: # sfdisk -l /dev/sda Disk /dev/sda: 60801 cylinders, 255 heads, 63 sectors/track Warning: extended partition does not start at a cylinder boundary. DOS and Linux will interpret the contents differently. Units = cylinders of 8225280 bytes, blocks of 1024 bytes, counting from 0 Device Boot Start End #cyls#blocks Id System /dev/sda1 0+ 25- 26-2037767 HPFS/NTFS /dev/sda2 25+ 48656- 48631- 3906250007 HPFS/NTFS /dev/sda3 59017+ 60801- 1784- 143298567 HPFS/NTFS /dev/sda4 48656+ 59017- 10362- 832256015 Extended /dev/sda5 48656+ 49628-973- 7812096 82 Linux swap / Solaris /dev/sda6 * 49628+ 59017- 9389- 75412480 83 Linux I wonder if this issue happen due the installer or the black magic that is behind that Compaq recovery tool and partition. Or even if that's why os-prober react so and the need to run update-grub manually. I should stratch my head. I don't know concequences this could have, nor how to fix it yet. Need to check. I can't reproduce it in vmware-server right now. There's and issue to install it on Squeeze, i need to investigate that also. Kind regards, David -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/a3aea3c5f135a76b5a6dade420d7c...@sun.pinguin.local
Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed
2010/10/23 consul tores : > 2010/10/23 David Van Mosselbeen : > >> Hi, >> Kinda late to reply on this, but yah... >> >> My wife own a Compaq laptop with Windows 7 preinstalled. A few days ago i >> have installed Debian testing (the daily netinst cd) on it. I have resized >> the windows NTFS partition with the debian installer. Just select that >> option to manualy manage the partition when you are on the partitions >> screen. Then i created the needed linux partitions. Then installed the base >> install and installed all my lovely toys. >> >> All was ok, just got a little bonus issue, nothing to do with the >> partitioning (i think). Grub not showing the windows 7 entry in the >> bootloader menu. os-prober was been detecting 3 Windows operating systems >> (1 win7 and 2 of Vista which i don't have). Had need to run update-grub to >> get this issue fixed. Well, i still have an issue with showing 3 windows >> operating systems in the bootloader, but that's another issue :) Maybe the >> black magic of the Compaq recovery utility for Windows. I still need to >> check. >> >> Anyway, i recommend you make a good backup before doing irreversible >> things. >> >> Bah, i guess your install is already done a few days ago :) But so you >> know about this one which i find kinda nice and easy to do. >> >> Have a nice day all, >> David, > > Hello David > > Just by curiosity! Have you tested your HD using cfdisk, fdisk or sfdisk? > could you please show the output? Ooops, i send it privately; David, could you please show the output of fdisk and sfdisk? -- Consultores Agropecuarios. Administracion, Produccion, Capacitacion. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktinu6bgutrgrb2mzc3dac_-fvncuzwrtgw18e...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed
On Tue, 12 Oct 2010 21:54:57 +0200, Ogya Chief wrote: > Hi All, > > > > I have just bought a pc with Windows 7 pre-installed and I want to > partition and install debian on the drive. If I use the debian installer's > partitioner, what precautions do I have to take in order not to damage the > Windows partition? > > > > Kind regards, > > Ogya Hi, Kinda late to reply on this, but yah... My wife own a Compaq laptop with Windows 7 preinstalled. A few days ago i have installed Debian testing (the daily netinst cd) on it. I have resized the windows NTFS partition with the debian installer. Just select that option to manualy manage the partition when you are on the partitions screen. Then i created the needed linux partitions. Then installed the base install and installed all my lovely toys. All was ok, just got a little bonus issue, nothing to do with the partitioning (i think). Grub not showing the windows 7 entry in the bootloader menu. os-prober was been detecting 3 Windows operating systems (1 win7 and 2 of Vista which i don't have). Had need to run update-grub to get this issue fixed. Well, i still have an issue with showing 3 windows operating systems in the bootloader, but that's another issue :) Maybe the black magic of the Compaq recovery utility for Windows. I still need to check. Anyway, i recommend you make a good backup before doing irreversible things. Bah, i guess your install is already done a few days ago :) But so you know about this one which i find kinda nice and easy to do. Have a nice day all, David, -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/424f1b4b324356e4fcd2c7d25b841...@sun.pinguin.local
Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 6:53 AM, Gilbert Sullivan wrote: > A very good point. I was going to mention that the restore discs provided > by some vendors (via this method of creating them using a utility provided > by the vendor) will let you perform a clean OS installation which omits some > or all of the "extraneous" or third party software that comes with the > factory image. That's a very nice feature since, otherwise, I'll just be > buying another license and doing a clean installation without the cr*pola > added by the OEM anyway. > > It also lets any subsequent owner of the system get a nice, clean Windows > image (well, as nice and clean as they get) on the system. > > I don't use Windows on any personal systems these days, but it was surely > nice to have the option of an installation without all of the weird stuff > added by the computer maker because of all of those sweetheart deals with > their business partners. The last laptop I bought for a friend was a Toshiba some 5 years ago. Their recovery partition/backup utility included virtually all of the crapware - even the trial version of Office 2003 - maybe things are different now. I suppose YMMV depending on vendor, etc., but for the OP I would definitely do a full disk image with Clonezilla regardless of what choice he makes with the built-in recovery options. Then all he needs to do is change user name possibly before selling if he restores from backup Clonezilla image, if that day comes. Just my $0.02, especially since the last Windows 7 disk image I made with Clonezilla took 15 minutes, it seems like a good idea regardless if you ever use it or not.
Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed
On 10/14/2010 09:35 AM, Preston Boyington wrote: Mark wrote: None of this matters if you use Clonezilla. So why even fiddle with it when there's a great alternative? I use Clonezilla a great deal, but most people don't think to make an image of the machine before they start Windows for the first time. What I'm talking about is having the ability to restore the machine to a factory state, with no personalization, in the event of your selling or passing it along to someone else. Doing this allows the new user to walk through the setup routine that is presented and personalize it to their taste. A very good point. I was going to mention that the restore discs provided by some vendors (via this method of creating them using a utility provided by the vendor) will let you perform a clean OS installation which omits some or all of the "extraneous" or third party software that comes with the factory image. That's a very nice feature since, otherwise, I'll just be buying another license and doing a clean installation without the cr*pola added by the OEM anyway. It also lets any subsequent owner of the system get a nice, clean Windows image (well, as nice and clean as they get) on the system. I don't use Windows on any personal systems these days, but it was surely nice to have the option of an installation without all of the weird stuff added by the computer maker because of all of those sweetheart deals with their business partners. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cb70b47.4090...@comcast.net
Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed
Mark wrote: None of this matters if you use Clonezilla. So why even fiddle with it when there's a great alternative? I use Clonezilla a great deal, but most people don't think to make an image of the machine before they start Windows for the first time. What I'm talking about is having the ability to restore the machine to a factory state, with no personalization, in the event of your selling or passing it along to someone else. Doing this allows the new user to walk through the setup routine that is presented and personalize it to their taste. -- Arrant Drivel - really, it's just trash... http://www.arrantdrivel.com/ Where the road takes me - a highwayman's perspective http://www.prestonboyington.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cb7071f.5050...@gmail.com
Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed
On 14/10/2010 08:54 πμ, Tom H wrote: > 2010/10/14 Γιώργος Πάλλας : > >> On 14/10/2010 04:43 πμ, Tom H wrote: >> >>> >>> You can mess with the registry to make another set of recovery disks >>> if the first set is damaged or unduplicated >>> >> This is really unneeded. What I do on friend's laptops with >> pre-installed Win7 and no recovery disks (just a recovery partition) who >> want to install ubuntu or some other linux distro is this: I boot >> Clonezilla, I open a shell, I delete the recovery partition (using >> fdisk/cfdisk) and then I take a good compressed disk snapshot on an >> external usb disk. Then, install debian/ubuntu on the 10Gigs of the >> recovered space of the ex-recovery partition. >> > And when you sell the box to a Windows-only user, .. ... you also sell him support for when the bad time comes :-P smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed
2010/10/14 Γιώργος Πάλλας : > On 14/10/2010 04:43 πμ, Tom H wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 9:11 PM, Mark Allums wrote: >>> On 10/13/2010 6:43 PM, Tom H wrote: On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Preston Boyington wrote: > Ogya Chief wrote: > >> At this stage there is no data to backup. If there is any other thing I >> can backup, please let me know. >> > Since most newer computers don't come with a Restore disc, I would > suggest > burning the Restore partition and any associated "utility" partition to a > DVD. Usually it fits on one. That way if your hard drive goes belly up > later you can slap a new one in and put the machine back to a factory > state > if you wish. > Don't all boxes ship with a utility to create restore DVDs from the restore partition?! >>> Often, they do, yes. Typically, it allows exactly one copy to be created, >>> so, ensure that good media is used, and follow instructions to the letter. >>> Once that copy is attempted, no more are allowed. >>> >> You can mess with the registry to make another set of recovery disks >> if the first set is damaged or unduplicated > > This is really unneeded. What I do on friend's laptops with > pre-installed Win7 and no recovery disks (just a recovery partition) who > want to install ubuntu or some other linux distro is this: I boot > Clonezilla, I open a shell, I delete the recovery partition (using > fdisk/cfdisk) and then I take a good compressed disk snapshot on an > external usb disk. Then, install debian/ubuntu on the 10Gigs of the > recovered space of the ex-recovery partition. And when you sell the box to a Windows-only user, ... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktikqpe-ec8jtirtabklqtkhvy0΄qk6m4tyz...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed
On 14/10/2010 04:43 πμ, Tom H wrote: > On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 9:11 PM, Mark Allums wrote: > >> On 10/13/2010 6:43 PM, Tom H wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Preston Boyington >>> wrote: >>> Ogya Chief wrote: > At this stage there is no data to backup. If there is any other thing I > can backup, please let me know. > Since most newer computers don't come with a Restore disc, I would suggest burning the Restore partition and any associated "utility" partition to a DVD. Usually it fits on one. That way if your hard drive goes belly up later you can slap a new one in and put the machine back to a factory state if you wish. >>> Don't all boxes ship with a utility to create restore DVDs from the >>> restore partition?! >>> >> Often, they do, yes. Typically, it allows exactly one copy to be created, >> so, ensure that good media is used, and follow instructions to the letter. >> Once that copy is attempted, no more are allowed. >> > You can mess with the registry to make another set of recovery disks > if the first set is damaged or unduplicated This is really unneeded. What I do on friend's laptops with pre-installed Win7 and no recovery disks (just a recovery partition) who want to install ubuntu or some other linux distro is this: I boot Clonezilla, I open a shell, I delete the recovery partition (using fdisk/cfdisk) and then I take a good compressed disk snapshot on an external usb disk. Then, install debian/ubuntu on the 10Gigs of the recovered space of the ex-recovery partition. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 10:53 PM, Mark Allums wrote: > On 10/13/2010 8:45 PM, consul tores wrote: > >> And, yes, it is possible to create windows 7 recovery DVDs, many times >> as you wanted. > > This isn't universally true. Maybe some manufacturers enforce it and some > don't. HP does, or has, restricted it to one copy. I never understood why > making multiple recovery discs was not allowed, it seemed like a waste of > time. Most people can find a way to copy them, if they want to. I just > warned about the restriction for people to take note of. It might be an > inconvenience to look out for, is all. I've made more than one copy on an HP (the first attempt failed 3/4 of the way through). There was one registry change to make in order to be allowed to make a second copy. If I still had an HP, I'd track the key down for you. It's probably googlable. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktimwtbjy_ou-aw67zqnfn9m=sn_budjipwyvr...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed
On 10/13/2010 8:45 PM, consul tores wrote: And, yes, it is possible to create windows 7 recovery DVDs, many times as you wanted. This isn't universally true. Maybe some manufacturers enforce it and some don't. HP does, or has, restricted it to one copy. I never understood why making multiple recovery discs was not allowed, it seemed like a waste of time. Most people can find a way to copy them, if they want to. I just warned about the restriction for people to take note of. It might be an inconvenience to look out for, is all. It certainly makes one appreciate Debian all the more. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cb670ab.70...@allums.com
Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed
On 10/13/2010 8:31 PM, Mark wrote: On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Mark Allums Don't all boxes ship with a utility to create restore DVDs from the restore partition?! Often, they do, yes. Typically, it allows exactly one copy to be created, so, ensure that good media is used, and follow instructions to the letter. Once that copy is attempted, no more are allowed. None of this matters if you use Clonezilla. So why even fiddle with it when there's a great alternative? Oh, it's a matter of caution. Perhaps you feel it's overcautious. Whatever. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cb66ea6.6020...@allums.com
Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed
2010/10/12 Ogya Chief : > Hi All, > > I have just bought a pc with Windows 7 pre-installed and I want to partition > and install debian on the drive. If I use the debian installer's > partitioner, what precautions do I have to take in order not to damage the > Windows partition? > > Kind regards, > Ogya You should investigate how windows 7 did partitions, because it has a different partitioner; you can finish with all partitions ending at the middle of cylinders; Debian should be installed, but in short time both OSs could become unstable. . And, yes, it is possible to create windows 7 recovery DVDs, many times as you wanted. -- Consultores Agropecuarios. Administracion, Produccion, Capacitacion. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktinuqpsf7uz84h_09vliq3gv5nfvcga4uxxlf...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 9:11 PM, Mark Allums wrote: > On 10/13/2010 6:43 PM, Tom H wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Preston Boyington >> wrote: >>> Ogya Chief wrote: At this stage there is no data to backup. If there is any other thing I can backup, please let me know. >>> >>> Since most newer computers don't come with a Restore disc, I would >>> suggest >>> burning the Restore partition and any associated "utility" partition to a >>> DVD. Usually it fits on one. That way if your hard drive goes belly up >>> later you can slap a new one in and put the machine back to a factory >>> state >>> if you wish. >> >> Don't all boxes ship with a utility to create restore DVDs from the >> restore partition?! > > Often, they do, yes. Typically, it allows exactly one copy to be created, > so, ensure that good media is used, and follow instructions to the letter. > Once that copy is attempted, no more are allowed. You can mess with the registry to make another set of recovery disks if the first set is damaged or unduplicated. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlkti=p36annyqpas6ciutqqwoocbswgk6g7mpw-...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Mark Allums wrote: > On 10/13/2010 6:43 PM, Tom H wrote: > >> On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Preston Boyington >> wrote: >> >>> Ogya Chief wrote: >>> At this stage there is no data to backup. If there is any other thing I can backup, please let me know. >>> >>> Since most newer computers don't come with a Restore disc, I would >>> suggest >>> burning the Restore partition and any associated "utility" partition to a >>> DVD. Usually it fits on one. That way if your hard drive goes belly up >>> later you can slap a new one in and put the machine back to a factory >>> state >>> if you wish. >>> >> >> Don't all boxes ship with a utility to create restore DVDs from the >> restore partition?! >> >> >> > > Often, they do, yes. Typically, it allows exactly one copy to be created, > so, ensure that good media is used, and follow instructions to the letter. > Once that copy is attempted, no more are allowed. > None of this matters if you use Clonezilla. So why even fiddle with it when there's a great alternative?
Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed
On 10/13/2010 6:43 PM, Tom H wrote: On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Preston Boyington wrote: Ogya Chief wrote: At this stage there is no data to backup. If there is any other thing I can backup, please let me know. Since most newer computers don't come with a Restore disc, I would suggest burning the Restore partition and any associated "utility" partition to a DVD. Usually it fits on one. That way if your hard drive goes belly up later you can slap a new one in and put the machine back to a factory state if you wish. Don't all boxes ship with a utility to create restore DVDs from the restore partition?! Often, they do, yes. Typically, it allows exactly one copy to be created, so, ensure that good media is used, and follow instructions to the letter. Once that copy is attempted, no more are allowed. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cb658db.1020...@allums.com
Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed
On 10/13/2010 9:25 AM, Damon L. Chesser wrote: On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 00:24 +0200, Ogya Chief wrote: I have Win 7 home premium. I will find out what tools for partitioning/backup came with it and decide on my next course of action. Windows comes with a resizer: right click on "my computer"> manage diskmanager. The next step is fuzzy in my memory: right click on the drive> reszie? Windows will now resize the partition, reboot and run chck disk if needed first, reboot, re-run chck disk. This eliminates the need for manual intervention to ensure your NTFS is in a state that can safely shrink. Windows will also not allow you to shrink the partition smaller then the data will fit on. Windows is finicky about what you can do to the "system partition", however, this is worth trying, since, in principle, no utility would be more suitable than Windows' own. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cb6577b.9080...@allums.com
Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Preston Boyington wrote: > Ogya Chief wrote: >> >> At this stage there is no data to backup. If there is any other thing I >> can backup, please let me know. > > Since most newer computers don't come with a Restore disc, I would suggest > burning the Restore partition and any associated "utility" partition to a > DVD. Usually it fits on one. That way if your hard drive goes belly up > later you can slap a new one in and put the machine back to a factory state > if you wish. Don't all boxes ship with a utility to create restore DVDs from the restore partition?! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktimdf9q7jwfhodjdn1gnmozem-xdnogh+u_tx...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Joe wrote: > On 13/10/10 16:52, Mark wrote: > >> >> As a side note, if it came with a big hard drive, from my experience I >> suggest a 30-40 GB Windows 7 partition (yes it needs that much these >> days), >> > > That might be conservative. My Win7 is seven months old, and occupies 24GB > (no data in that). I didn't make a note of the installation size, but it was > a lot less than that. I allowed 65GB... Yes, I should clarify my size recommendation is based on reducing the bloatware, etc., to almost nothing, tweaking some settings, and eliminating System Restore points (since I backup using Clonezilla those have no use to me). My current Windows 7 installation, including Office 2007 Professional, uses 16.2 GB of my 30 GB partition. So this is one of those YMMV situations depending on how determined one is to reduce the footprint of the Windows 7 installation. Mark
Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed
On 13/10/10 16:52, Mark wrote: As a side note, if it came with a big hard drive, from my experience I suggest a 30-40 GB Windows 7 partition (yes it needs that much these days), That might be conservative. My Win7 is seven months old, and occupies 24GB (no data in that). I didn't make a note of the installation size, but it was a lot less than that. I allowed 65GB... -- Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cb5f898.5090...@jretrading.com
Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed
2010/10/12 Γιώργος Πάλλας > > For backing up the whole disk before starting with dangerous operations I > suggest Clonezilla (the open-source equivalent of Ghost). It use it > regularly and hasn't betrayed me. > As for the rest procedures, I also suggest you resize the windows partition > with gparted from a ubuntu live cd, and then run the debian installer. > > This is the right way to go. First use jkdefraggui to defrag & move all Windows 7 files to front of disk, from within Windows 7. This helps avoid data corruption before editing partitions. Then create backup image using Clonezilla. Boot to gparted Live cd (or usb flash, I keep one handy at all times with gparted Live on it for just such purposes), resize partitions, including creating your ext3 and swap partitions for Debian, and all should be set for your computer to receive the Debian installation. As a side note, if it came with a big hard drive, from my experience I suggest a 30-40 GB Windows 7 partition (yes it needs that much these days), 18 GB for Debian, 2 GB for swap, and the remainder as a "share" partition of either fat32 or ntfs (which is mounted via ntfs-3g in Debian /etc/fstab). Sorry if you already know this, just thought I'd offer it if you don't. Mark
RE: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed
On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 00:24 +0200, Ogya Chief wrote: > SNIP > > > > > > I have Win 7 home premium. I will find out what tools for > partitioning/backup came with it and decide on my next course of > action. Windows comes with a resizer: right click on "my computer" > manage >diskmanager. The next step is fuzzy in my memory: right click on the drive> reszie? Windows will now resize the partition, reboot and run chck disk if needed first, reboot, re-run chck disk. This eliminates the need for manual intervention to ensure your NTFS is in a state that can safely shrink. Windows will also not allow you to shrink the partition smaller then the data will fit on. -- Damon da...@damtek.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1286979950.1532.10.ca...@dam-main
Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed
Ogya Chief wrote: At this stage there is no data to backup. If there is any other thing I can backup, please let me know. Since most newer computers don't come with a Restore disc, I would suggest burning the Restore partition and any associated "utility" partition to a DVD. Usually it fits on one. That way if your hard drive goes belly up later you can slap a new one in and put the machine back to a factory state if you wish. I also recommend Clonezilla for taking snapshots of your working system. It's slow on NTFS, but will fly through most Linux friendly filesystems. -- Arrant Drivel - really, it's just trash... http://www.arrantdrivel.com/ Where the road takes me - a highwayman's perspective http://www.prestonboyington.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cb5ba77.7090...@gmail.com
Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed
On 13/10/2010 02:07 μμ, steef wrote: > Γιώργος Πάλλας schreef: >> On 13/10/2010 01:24 πμ, Ogya Chief wrote: >>> >>> >>> > If you care about Windows 7 at all (e.g., for playing games) you >>> should >>> > back up the Win 7 installation completely before starting. How you go >>> > about it depends on your new machine. If it came with recovery >>> options, >>> > you should investigate them. With the Ultimate edition, Win 7 comes >>> > with a good backup program, you can use that. Otherwise, you can look >>> > to the various alternatives for backing up. >>> > >>> > But I urge you to use something. Most of the programs, free and >>> > non-free, work properly to shrink a partition, but it is easy to >>> commit >>> > a user error and wipe things out completely. >>> > >>> > If it were me, I would shrink (resize) the partition first, before >>> > running the Debian installer. That is, take it in reversible stages. >>> > This is a matter of taste. It isn't strictly necessary. >>> > >>> > >>> >>> I have Win 7 home premium. I will find out what tools for >>> partitioning/backup came with it and decide on my next course of >>> action. >> >> For backing up the whole disk before starting with dangerous >> operations I suggest Clonezilla (the open-source equivalent of >> Ghost). It use it regularly and hasn't betrayed me. >> As for the rest procedures, I also suggest you resize the windows >> partition with gparted from a ubuntu live cd, and then run the debian >> installer. >> > > could dd_rescue be a suggestion? > > steef > > dd_rescue for backup? Isn't it a bit low-level for the simple use of backing up a disk? Clonezilla also does recognize the filesystems and takes up space only for used disk space... smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed
Γιώργος Πάλλας schreef: On 13/10/2010 01:24 πμ, Ogya Chief wrote: > If you care about Windows 7 at all (e.g., for playing games) you should > back up the Win 7 installation completely before starting. How you go > about it depends on your new machine. If it came with recovery options, > you should investigate them. With the Ultimate edition, Win 7 comes > with a good backup program, you can use that. Otherwise, you can look > to the various alternatives for backing up. > > But I urge you to use something. Most of the programs, free and > non-free, work properly to shrink a partition, but it is easy to commit > a user error and wipe things out completely. > > If it were me, I would shrink (resize) the partition first, before > running the Debian installer. That is, take it in reversible stages. > This is a matter of taste. It isn't strictly necessary. > > I have Win 7 home premium. I will find out what tools for partitioning/backup came with it and decide on my next course of action. For backing up the whole disk before starting with dangerous operations I suggest Clonezilla (the open-source equivalent of Ghost). It use it regularly and hasn't betrayed me. As for the rest procedures, I also suggest you resize the windows partition with gparted from a ubuntu live cd, and then run the debian installer. could dd_rescue be a suggestion? steef -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cb592e0.1010...@home.nl
Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed
On 13/10/2010 01:24 πμ, Ogya Chief wrote: > > > > If you care about Windows 7 at all (e.g., for playing games) you should > > back up the Win 7 installation completely before starting. How you go > > about it depends on your new machine. If it came with recovery options, > > you should investigate them. With the Ultimate edition, Win 7 comes > > with a good backup program, you can use that. Otherwise, you can look > > to the various alternatives for backing up. > > > > But I urge you to use something. Most of the programs, free and > > non-free, work properly to shrink a partition, but it is easy to commit > > a user error and wipe things out completely. > > > > If it were me, I would shrink (resize) the partition first, before > > running the Debian installer. That is, take it in reversible stages. > > This is a matter of taste. It isn't strictly necessary. > > > > > > I have Win 7 home premium. I will find out what tools for > partitioning/backup came with it and decide on my next course of action. For backing up the whole disk before starting with dangerous operations I suggest Clonezilla (the open-source equivalent of Ghost). It use it regularly and hasn't betrayed me. As for the rest procedures, I also suggest you resize the windows partition with gparted from a ubuntu live cd, and then run the debian installer. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed
On 10/12/2010 5:24 PM, Ogya Chief wrote: I have Win 7 home premium. I will find out what tools for partitioning/backup came with it and decide on my next course of action. The reason to make a complete system snapshot first (and not just your data) is because Microsoft is greedy and has no sense of humor. If you accidentally wipe out Windows, they might require you to buy it all over again. Even if the manufacturer of your PC offers to send you a recovery disc, they will probably charge you a fee. The Home Premium edition may not come with a full backup. It may only backup whatever it thinks is your data, not the system files. I recall that some Vista versions were that way. I don't know about Win 7, you probably want to find out. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cb52429.2040...@allums.com
RE: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed
> If you care about Windows 7 at all (e.g., for playing games) you should > back up the Win 7 installation completely before starting. How you go > about it depends on your new machine. If it came with recovery options, > you should investigate them. With the Ultimate edition, Win 7 comes > with a good backup program, you can use that. Otherwise, you can look > to the various alternatives for backing up. > > But I urge you to use something. Most of the programs, free and > non-free, work properly to shrink a partition, but it is easy to commit > a user error and wipe things out completely. > > If it were me, I would shrink (resize) the partition first, before > running the Debian installer. That is, take it in reversible stages. > This is a matter of taste. It isn't strictly necessary. > > I have Win 7 home premium. I will find out what tools for partitioning/backup came with it and decide on my next course of action.
Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed
On 10/12/2010 2:54 PM, Ogya Chief wrote: Hi All, I have just bought a pc with Windows 7 pre-installed and I want to partition and install debian on the drive. If I use the debian installer's partitioner, what precautions do I have to take in order not to damage the Windows partition? Kind regards, Ogya If you care about Windows 7 at all (e.g., for playing games) you should back up the Win 7 installation completely before starting. How you go about it depends on your new machine. If it came with recovery options, you should investigate them. With the Ultimate edition, Win 7 comes with a good backup program, you can use that. Otherwise, you can look to the various alternatives for backing up. But I urge you to use something. Most of the programs, free and non-free, work properly to shrink a partition, but it is easy to commit a user error and wipe things out completely. If it were me, I would shrink (resize) the partition first, before running the Debian installer. That is, take it in reversible stages. This is a matter of taste. It isn't strictly necessary. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cb4dd91@allums.com
RE: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > From: noela...@gmail.com > Subject: Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed > Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 22:02:28 + > > On Tue, 12 Oct 2010 21:54:57 +0200, Ogya Chief wrote: > > > I have just bought a pc with Windows 7 pre-installed and I want to > > partition and install debian on the drive. If I use the debian > > installer's partitioner, what precautions do I have to take in order not > > to damage the Windows partition? > > I would make the partitions _before_ installing Debian. > > You can use Gparted (LiveCD) and play from there. It allows to resize the > windows partition and create new ones. > > Just remember that before performing any action on the current NTFS > partition (by instance, resize it) I would recommend to make a scandisk > and defragmentation of the involved volume (and a backup of the data) to > avoid any problem. > > Greetings, > > -- > Camaleón > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org > Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.10.12.22.02...@gmail.com > Thanks, Camaleón, for the tip. At this stage there is no data to backup. If there is any other thing I can backup, please let me know. Regards, Ogya
Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed
On Tue, 12 Oct 2010 21:54:57 +0200, Ogya Chief wrote: > I have just bought a pc with Windows 7 pre-installed and I want to > partition and install debian on the drive. If I use the debian > installer's partitioner, what precautions do I have to take in order not > to damage the Windows partition? I would make the partitions _before_ installing Debian. You can use Gparted (LiveCD) and play from there. It allows to resize the windows partition and create new ones. Just remember that before performing any action on the current NTFS partition (by instance, resize it) I would recommend to make a scandisk and defragmentation of the involved volume (and a backup of the data) to avoid any problem. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.10.12.22.02...@gmail.com
RE: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 13:28:15 -0700 Subject: Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed From: mamar...@gmail.com To: debian-user@lists.debian.org On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Ogya Chief wrote: Hi All, I have just bought a pc with Windows 7 pre-installed and I want to partition and install debian on the drive. If I use the debian installer's partitioner, what precautions do I have to take in order not to damage the Windows partition? I would suggest using jkdefraggui to move all Windows 7 files to the front of the disk, before doing any partitioning work, to help reduce the risk of messing up the Windows 7 installation. Mark Thanks, Mark for the pointer. I will give it a try. Regards, Ogya
Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Ogya Chief wrote: > Hi All, > > I have just bought a pc with Windows 7 pre-installed and I want to > partition and install debian on the drive. If I use the debian installer's > partitioner, what precautions do I have to take in order not to damage the > Windows partition? > I would suggest using jkdefraggui to move all Windows 7 files to the front of the disk, before doing any partitioning work, to help reduce the risk of messing up the Windows 7 installation. Mark
