Re: Reply-default etiquette (was Re: KISS gpg)

[Joe]

On Sun, 3 Nov 2019 22:00:39 +0200
Andrei POPESCU  wrote:

> On Jo, 31 oct 19, 11:55:01, The Wanderer wrote:
> > 
> > (IMO the correct behavior should be chosen automatically by
> > "reply", and there should be separate "reply to sender", "reply to
> > all", and "reply to list" options in the client. I don't know of
> > anything which implements that, however.)  
> 
> I seem to recall Sylpheed and/or Claws Mail has this.
> 

Yes, it does. I read this on Claws, though I only ever use the default
Reply.

-- 
Joe

Re: Reply-default etiquette (was Re: KISS gpg)

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Jo, 31 oct 19, 11:55:01, The Wanderer wrote:
> 
> (IMO the correct behavior should be chosen automatically by "reply", and
> there should be separate "reply to sender", "reply to all", and "reply
> to list" options in the client. I don't know of anything which
> implements that, however.)

I seem to recall Sylpheed and/or Claws Mail has this.

Kind regards,
Andrei
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Re: Reply-default etiquette (was Re: KISS gpg)

[Nicolas George]

Gene Heskett (12019-10-31):
> And this is something that the kmail of yore, now forked to TDE, makes 
> simple. If you sort incoming mail to list yy in its own folder, then it 
> is sufficient to name that list in the folder definitions.  I've been 
> doing that for so long I'd consider any email agent that does not do 
> that, broken.

I consider a mailing-list that requires to do that or anything broken.

Do it if you want. It should not be necessary.

Regards,

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  Nicolas George


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Re: Reply-default etiquette (was Re: KISS gpg)

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 31 October 2019 12:10:01 Nicolas George wrote:

> The Wanderer (12019-10-31):
> > IMO, the correct behavior should indeed be the same for lists as for
> > private mail: reply to the source from which you received the
> > message.
>
> ... and everybody who got it too.
>
> For example, if I reply to:
>
> # From: Colleague
> # To: Me
> # Cc: Boss
>
> it should be:
>
> # From: Me
> # To: Colleague
> # Cc: Boss
>
> > I am subscribed to dozens of mailing lists, and have been active on
> > most or all of them at various points in time. To get reply behavior
> > to be correct on all of them, I would need to set Reply-To to a
> > different value for each one.
>
> You do not need that because most mailing-list software does it for
> you: if you are subscribed to the mailing-list and there is no
> reply-to address in your mail, it sets it to the list.
>
> Debian is amongst the few mailing-lists that do not do that. This
> comes from the influence of the dogmatic people who wrote the infamous
> “"Reply-To" Munging Considered Harmful” document and designed a
> suboptimal solution instead.
>
> > I know of no way to get a mail client to automatically set Reply-To
> > differently depending on what message is being replied to
>
> Possible with Mutt:
>
> send-hook . "unmy_hdr Reply-To:"
> send-hook ~cdebian-u...@lists.debian.org my_hdr "Reply-To:
> debian-user@lists.debian.org"
>
> > It should not be the responsibility of every sender to contrive some
> > configuration to automatically set Reply-To (or other non-default)
> > headers correctly for every different mailing list.
>
> I agree with that. Unfortunately, the Debian mailing-list makes it
> necessary.
>
> Regards,

And this is something that the kmail of yore, now forked to TDE, makes 
simple. If you sort incoming mail to list yy in its own folder, then it 
is sufficient to name that list in the folder definitions.  I've been 
doing that for so long I'd consider any email agent that does not do 
that, broken.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: Reply-default etiquette (was Re: KISS gpg)

[Nicolas George]

Andrew McGlashan (12019-11-01):
> Do you also have "ignore list-post:" in your muttrc ?

Of course not. What a strange question: the ignore directive is for
display, not for controlling the recipients.

In case you confused it with ignore_list_reply_to, look at the comment
on its side: "Press L for list replies": unacceptable, press the same
key for ALL replies.

Regards,

-- 
  Nicolas George


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Re: Reply-default etiquette (was Re: KISS gpg)

[Andrew McGlashan]

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On 1/11/19 3:10 am, Nicolas George wrote:
> Possible with Mutt:
> 
> send-hook . "unmy_hdr Reply-To:" send-hook
> ~cdebian-u...@lists.debian.org my_hdr "Reply-To:
> debian-user@lists.debian.org"

Do you also have "ignore list-post:" in your muttrc ?

https://www.earth.li/~huggie/mutt/muttrc.html

http://www.mutt.org/doc/manual/#lists


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Re: Reply-default etiquette (was Re: KISS gpg)

[Nicolas George]

The Wanderer (12019-10-31):
> IMO, the correct behavior should indeed be the same for lists as for
> private mail: reply to the source from which you received the message.

... and everybody who got it too.

For example, if I reply to:

# From: Colleague
# To: Me
# Cc: Boss

it should be:

# From: Me
# To: Colleague
# Cc: Boss

> I am subscribed to dozens of mailing lists, and have been active on most
> or all of them at various points in time. To get reply behavior to be
> correct on all of them, I would need to set Reply-To to a different
> value for each one.

You do not need that because most mailing-list software does it for you:
if you are subscribed to the mailing-list and there is no reply-to
address in your mail, it sets it to the list.

Debian is amongst the few mailing-lists that do not do that. This comes
from the influence of the dogmatic people who wrote the infamous
“"Reply-To" Munging Considered Harmful” document and designed a
suboptimal solution instead.

> I know of no way to get a mail client to automatically set Reply-To
> differently depending on what message is being replied to

Possible with Mutt:

send-hook . "unmy_hdr Reply-To:"
send-hook ~cdebian-u...@lists.debian.org my_hdr "Reply-To: 
debian-user@lists.debian.org"

> It should not be the responsibility of every sender to contrive some
> configuration to automatically set Reply-To (or other non-default)
> headers correctly for every different mailing list.

I agree with that. Unfortunately, the Debian mailing-list makes it
necessary.

Regards,

-- 
  Nicolas George


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