Re: Root location

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 12:11:37PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On 2021-08-13 11:47 a.m., Gunnar Gervin wrote:
> > Thx to Polyna especially, for telling me that I have x86-64 machine. Do
> > not yet know x86 part but 64bit it certainly is.
> > In Mint 32bit i686 still. but now
> > I know a little bit (!) more about this machine, how chmod is not wise
> > to use, etc. Kinda fun, cos Mint lets me in again. So far.
> > My Mini PC Windows 10 128GB SSD is in the customs here (been there 6
> > weeks..), great. Hope I can use the screen on this for a week or two..
> Earlier you said you are running a computer based on Mac ?
> 
> Wasn't the case ?
> 
> It's hard to follow this thread...
> 
> > I will surely stay in Mint, that is without root, chroot, chmod etc
> > until I have a tiny clue what all this is doing with my computer. Wild
> > child still, weird.
> > Gunnar
> > 
> > On Fri, 13 Aug 2021 at 09:45, Keith Bainbridge  > > wrote:
> > 
> > On 13/8/21 18:15, Gunnar Gervin wrote:
> > > I tried to partition with rEFInd because Linux Mint 19 i386 xfce
> > 32bit
> > > worked with EFI. In hope to upgrade to x86-64bit. After it looked
> > like
> > > all good, I went out, thinking it was OK. But installation came
> > back to
> > > start, asking me to choose put boot in Mbr, Partition with Gparted or
> > > Abort. Mbr resulted in warning. Gparted offered grub bios, took that,
> > > result was root in /target
> > > instead of in /dev/sda1
> > > Now:
> > > lsblk
> > > sda1 148G  part  /
> > > sda3  999M  part
> > >
> > > Looks okay;
> > > sda1 as root
> > > sda3 as swap
> > >
> > > Better I try boot
> > > Then see what happens.
> > > (Later upgrade to 64bit if I can).
> > > BR,
> > > Gunnar
> > 
> > 
> > Gunnar
> > 
> > I suggest you stick with Mint until you get a better understanding of
> > how things work.
> > 
> > 
> > Try testing in virtual machine
> > 
> > -- 
> > All the best
> > 
> > Keith Bainbridge
> > 
> > keith.bainbridge.3...@gmail.com 
> > 
> 
> -- 
> Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
> -Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development
> 

>From what I recall: Gunnar has an old (2006/2007) macbook with intel core
duo, 3GB of RAM and an SSD he's put in himself.

Macs of that age had difficulty reading some CD media (because of difficulty
with the El Torito format??) . There is specific Mac media under amd64 (so 
64 bit) CPU to deal with this fact. The transition period for when Macs could
read "normal" media is around that time, I think, so this is a special case. 

The CD team don't have the hardware to test this specific image, as far as I
know.

I seem to recall that Gunnar may hve more than that - he may have a later
Macbook undergoing repair.

Gunnar: Please try with the mac specific amd64 image, I've pointed you to
in other threads, else try with the standard amd64 image. 

Getting 32 bit media to run badly is no great help. ReFind is definitely
_not_ recommended. Please simplify this to one install that works, maybe.

All the very best, as ever,

Andy Cater

Re: Root location

[Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside]

Hi,

On 2021-08-13 11:47 a.m., Gunnar Gervin wrote:
> Thx to Polyna especially, for telling me that I have x86-64 machine. Do
> not yet know x86 part but 64bit it certainly is.
> In Mint 32bit i686 still. but now
> I know a little bit (!) more about this machine, how chmod is not wise
> to use, etc. Kinda fun, cos Mint lets me in again. So far.
> My Mini PC Windows 10 128GB SSD is in the customs here (been there 6
> weeks..), great. Hope I can use the screen on this for a week or two..
Earlier you said you are running a computer based on Mac ?

Wasn't the case ?

It's hard to follow this thread...

> I will surely stay in Mint, that is without root, chroot, chmod etc
> until I have a tiny clue what all this is doing with my computer. Wild
> child still, weird.
> Gunnar
> 
> On Fri, 13 Aug 2021 at 09:45, Keith Bainbridge  > wrote:
> 
> On 13/8/21 18:15, Gunnar Gervin wrote:
> > I tried to partition with rEFInd because Linux Mint 19 i386 xfce
> 32bit
> > worked with EFI. In hope to upgrade to x86-64bit. After it looked
> like
> > all good, I went out, thinking it was OK. But installation came
> back to
> > start, asking me to choose put boot in Mbr, Partition with Gparted or
> > Abort. Mbr resulted in warning. Gparted offered grub bios, took that,
> > result was root in /target
> > instead of in /dev/sda1
> > Now:
> > lsblk
> > sda1 148G  part  /
> > sda3  999M  part
> >
> > Looks okay;
> > sda1 as root
> > sda3 as swap
> >
> > Better I try boot
> > Then see what happens.
> > (Later upgrade to 64bit if I can).
> > BR,
> > Gunnar
> 
> 
> Gunnar
> 
> I suggest you stick with Mint until you get a better understanding of
> how things work.
> 
> 
> Try testing in virtual machine
> 
> -- 
> All the best
> 
> Keith Bainbridge
> 
> keith.bainbridge.3...@gmail.com 
> 

-- 
Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
-Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development



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Re: Root location

[Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside]

Hi,

On 2021-08-13 8:33 a.m., Henning Follmann wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 11:15:10AM +0300, Gunnar Gervin wrote:
>> I tried to partition with rEFInd because Linux Mint 19 i386 xfce 32bit
>> worked with EFI. In hope to upgrade to x86-64bit. After it looked like all
>> good, I went out, thinking it was OK. But installation came back to start,
>> asking me to choose put boot in Mbr, Partition with Gparted or Abort. Mbr
>> resulted in warning. Gparted offered grub bios, took that, result was root
>> in /target
>> instead of in /dev/sda1
>> Now:
>> lsblk
>> sda1 148G  part  /
>> sda3  999M  part
>>
>> Looks okay;
>> sda1 as root
>> sda3 as swap
>>
>> Better I try boot
>> Then see what happens.
>> (Later upgrade to 64bit if I can).
>> BR,
>> Gunnar
> 
> Hello,
> I think you are making this way too difficult for yourself.
> Maybe you are following some recipes you found through google.
> These are most likely outdated and it is much simpler today.
> I converted a number of Macs into linux machines, including
> one powerpc one. And maybe ten years ago you had to handle
> with refid, these days you just can use the installer and
> almost everything (except the driver for the wifi cards)
> just works.
> 
> Please post the actual cpu this machine has. Then we can tell you
> what to do to install debian on that machine.
> Please tell us also about the amount of memory installed.
> 
All this can probably be found in a previous thread. But I do remember
this is not the first thing the question about "What are you running
under" and that the answer seem hard to get.

If my memory is good it's a MacBook but I don't think we ever got the
CPU type or the amount of memory installed.

Looking at the size of the hard drive (which was installed by himself,
Toshiba brand) we normally get a good idea about the age of the computer
if it's the original hard drive. Not the case this time...

Maybe running hwinfo --all > hwinfo.txt and after pasting the content of
hwinfo.txt could be of some help.

> 
> -H
> 
> 

-- 
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Re: Root location

[Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside]

Hi,

On 2021-08-13 8:00 a.m., Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 01:53:44PM +0200, deloptes wrote:
>> Gunnar Gervin wrote:
>>
>>> (Later upgrade to 64bit if I can).
>>
>> I am not sure if you can upgrade 32 to 64bit OS. AFAIK you reinstall
> 
> This is called a "crossgrade" sometimes (a portmanteau of "cross" and
> "upgrade").  It is NOT supported.  However, some advanced people have
> done it.  There's a wiki page about it.
> 
> I've never done it.  I've never even ATTEMPTED it.  I would not
> recommend it, particularly to a novice.
> 
Seems to be quite complex, first adding x64 architecture to your system,
then dealing with the problem that some base package can only be
installed in one architecture at a time, afterward there will be the
configuration part plus kernel.

Seems to me much easier to reinstall (after user data backup) than doing
a crossgrade.
> If the OP wants to run a 64-bit OS in the end, they should install a
> 64-bit OS to begin with.
> 

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-Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development



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Re: Root location

[Gunnar Gervin]

Thx to Polyna especially, for telling me that I have x86-64 machine. Do not
yet know x86 part but 64bit it certainly is.
In Mint 32bit i686 still. but now
I know a little bit (!) more about this machine, how chmod is not wise to
use, etc. Kinda fun, cos Mint lets me in again. So far.
My Mini PC Windows 10 128GB SSD is in the customs here (been there 6
weeks..), great. Hope I can use the screen on this for a week or two..
I will surely stay in Mint, that is without root, chroot, chmod etc until I
have a tiny clue what all this is doing with my computer. Wild child still,
weird.
Gunnar

On Fri, 13 Aug 2021 at 09:45, Keith Bainbridge  wrote:

> On 13/8/21 18:15, Gunnar Gervin wrote:
> > I tried to partition with rEFInd because Linux Mint 19 i386 xfce 32bit
> > worked with EFI. In hope to upgrade to x86-64bit. After it looked like
> > all good, I went out, thinking it was OK. But installation came back to
> > start, asking me to choose put boot in Mbr, Partition with Gparted or
> > Abort. Mbr resulted in warning. Gparted offered grub bios, took that,
> > result was root in /target
> > instead of in /dev/sda1
> > Now:
> > lsblk
> > sda1 148G  part  /
> > sda3  999M  part
> >
> > Looks okay;
> > sda1 as root
> > sda3 as swap
> >
> > Better I try boot
> > Then see what happens.
> > (Later upgrade to 64bit if I can).
> > BR,
> > Gunnar
>
>
> Gunnar
>
> I suggest you stick with Mint until you get a better understanding of
> how things work.
>
>
> Try testing in virtual machine
>
> --
> All the best
>
> Keith Bainbridge
>
> keith.bainbridge.3...@gmail.com
>

Re: Root location

[Steve McIntyre]

Greg Wooledge wrote:
>On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 01:53:44PM +0200, deloptes wrote:
>> Gunnar Gervin wrote:
>> 
>> > (Later upgrade to 64bit if I can).
>> 
>> I am not sure if you can upgrade 32 to 64bit OS. AFAIK you reinstall
>
>This is called a "crossgrade" sometimes (a portmanteau of "cross" and
>"upgrade").  It is NOT supported.  However, some advanced people have
>done it.  There's a wiki page about it.
>
>I've never done it.  I've never even ATTEMPTED it.  I would not
>recommend it, particularly to a novice.
>
>If the OP wants to run a 64-bit OS in the end, they should install a
>64-bit OS to begin with.

We finally now have a cross-grading tool in Debian:

  https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/debian-crossgrader

written by Kevin Wu as a GSoC project last year. It has worked well
for me in testing!

-- 
Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com
"We're the technical experts.  We were hired so that management could
 ignore our recommendations and tell us how to do our jobs."  -- Mike Andrews

Re: Root location

[Joe]

On Fri, 13 Aug 2021 08:00:35 -0400
Greg Wooledge  wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 01:53:44PM +0200, deloptes wrote:
 
> > 
> > I am not sure if you can upgrade 32 to 64bit OS. AFAIK you
> > reinstall  
> 
> This is called a "crossgrade" sometimes (a portmanteau of "cross" and
> "upgrade").  It is NOT supported.  However, some advanced people have
> done it.  There's a wiki page about it.
> 
> I've never done it.  I've never even ATTEMPTED it.  I would not
> recommend it, particularly to a novice.
> 
> If the OP wants to run a 64-bit OS in the end, they should install a
> 64-bit OS to begin with.
> 

I had a go with the etch->lenny upgrade, but the whole thing got well
out of hand and I gave up.

-- 
Joe

Re: Root location

[Henning Follmann]

On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 11:15:10AM +0300, Gunnar Gervin wrote:
> I tried to partition with rEFInd because Linux Mint 19 i386 xfce 32bit
> worked with EFI. In hope to upgrade to x86-64bit. After it looked like all
> good, I went out, thinking it was OK. But installation came back to start,
> asking me to choose put boot in Mbr, Partition with Gparted or Abort. Mbr
> resulted in warning. Gparted offered grub bios, took that, result was root
> in /target
> instead of in /dev/sda1
> Now:
> lsblk
> sda1 148G  part  /
> sda3  999M  part
> 
> Looks okay;
> sda1 as root
> sda3 as swap
> 
> Better I try boot
> Then see what happens.
> (Later upgrade to 64bit if I can).
> BR,
> Gunnar

Hello,
I think you are making this way too difficult for yourself.
Maybe you are following some recipes you found through google.
These are most likely outdated and it is much simpler today.
I converted a number of Macs into linux machines, including
one powerpc one. And maybe ten years ago you had to handle
with refid, these days you just can use the installer and
almost everything (except the driver for the wifi cards)
just works.

Please post the actual cpu this machine has. Then we can tell you
what to do to install debian on that machine.
Please tell us also about the amount of memory installed.


-H


-- 
Henning Follmann   | hfollm...@itcfollmann.com

Re: Root location

[Greg Wooledge]

On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 01:53:44PM +0200, deloptes wrote:
> Gunnar Gervin wrote:
> 
> > (Later upgrade to 64bit if I can).
> 
> I am not sure if you can upgrade 32 to 64bit OS. AFAIK you reinstall

This is called a "crossgrade" sometimes (a portmanteau of "cross" and
"upgrade").  It is NOT supported.  However, some advanced people have
done it.  There's a wiki page about it.

I've never done it.  I've never even ATTEMPTED it.  I would not
recommend it, particularly to a novice.

If the OP wants to run a 64-bit OS in the end, they should install a
64-bit OS to begin with.

Re: Root location

[deloptes]

Gunnar Gervin wrote:

> Better I try boot
> Then see what happens.

very good idea

> (Later upgrade to 64bit if I can).

I am not sure if you can upgrade 32 to 64bit OS. AFAIK you reinstall


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