Re: Skype substitutes for current Debian?
- Original Message - From: Paul van der Vlis p...@vandervlis.nl 3. Skype-compatible clients for D7++ which could be used to connect directly to an OP running that alternate service? I'm especially interested in evaluations of https://wiki.debian.org/skype free and open source alternative[s,] community-owned and supported by Debian, such as the VoIP ekiga , linphone , or jitsi ? I've tested Ekiga and Linphone. The problem of the SIP protocol is that it does not work very well behind NAT. And most people are behind a NAT router. I think XMPP is the better protocol, but using a VPN with SIP is maybe a good alternative (more compatible). These guys offer free SIP accounts that work around the NAT issue somehow. I used it several years ago and it did work, and it didn't require the use of a STUN server. http://www.iptel.org/service -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1056756687.112247.1409341806725.javamail.zim...@ptd.net
Re: Skype substitutes for current Debian?
Hi. On Thu, 21 Aug 2014 11:40:48 +0800 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: When I first saw the message above, I thought This is all way beyone me - I have never done anything like work on Debian packages source code, or build a Debian package. Then, it just occurred to me - maybe this is a thing for the Debian 6 LTS project team? It is a Debian 6 security issue, is it not? This issue can be surely considered a security one, sure. There's a catch, though - since Squeeze LTS provides support for the most critical packages, but not all of them - it's unlikely that arora is currently supported by this effort. Still, filling a bug report won't hurt IMO. Reco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140821113210.74eb91678c4b601874922...@gmail.com
Re: Skype substitutes for current Debian?
Hi. On Wed, 20 Aug 2014 12:06:26 +0800 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: :~$ openssl s_client -host bistri.com -port 443 -showcerts I got the same certificates from this server as you. Which, since we're obviously using different ISP, is a good thing. Moreover, server's certificate has: Validity Not Before: Jan 6 15:27:32 2014 GMT Not After : Feb 20 15:08:03 2015 GMT :~$ dig bistri.com ;; ANSWER SECTION: bistri.com. 60 IN A 176.34.185.176 But, this one seems odd to me. For me bistri.com appears to be at Amazon EC2: bistri.com. 260 IN A 54.247.183.129 Oh, and the web browser being used, is Arora (with javascript disabled), running on Debian 6 amd64 LTS. Maybe you're hitting a qt bug like this: https://qt-project.org/forums/viewthread/19690 Reco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140820115112.ff99dc3e65a198bd6f6dd...@gmail.com
Re: Skype substitutes for current Debian?
On 20/08/2014, Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. On Wed, 20 Aug 2014 12:06:26 +0800 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: :~$ openssl s_client -host bistri.com -port 443 -showcerts I got the same certificates from this server as you. Which, since we're obviously using different ISP, is a good thing. Moreover, server's certificate has: Validity Not Before: Jan 6 15:27:32 2014 GMT Not After : Feb 20 15:08:03 2015 GMT :~$ dig bistri.com ;; ANSWER SECTION: bistri.com.60 IN A 176.34.185.176 But, this one seems odd to me. For me bistri.com appears to be at Amazon EC2: bistri.com. 260 IN A 54.247.183.129 Oh, and the web browser being used, is Arora (with javascript disabled), running on Debian 6 amd64 LTS. Maybe you're hitting a qt bug like this: https://qt-project.org/forums/viewthread/19690 Reco Hello. On that web page, the solution appears to be in the message; Finally I got it to work! :-) I don’t quite understand it completely yet, but I do understand that openssl on 12.04 seems to be really messy after all the bug reports I’ve read. But anyway, I simply had to replace: sslConfig.setProtocol( QSsl::TlsV1 ); with sslConfig.setProtocol( QSsl::SslV3 ); then at least for this specific site it works and for now this is good enough for me. From the other messages in that web page, is the problem, a problem with the handling of SSL, in Debian 6 LTS, or, is it a problem with the handling of SSL, in Arora? And, if the solution is to change that line sslConfig.setProtocol( QSsl::TlsV1 ); where do I find that line, to make the change? Thank you in anticipation. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CACX6j8N9YUREPzJQaRkwLJRi4ayysH8DbfjHV7jFFv7D=z-...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Skype substitutes for current Debian?
Hi. On Wed, 20 Aug 2014 18:01:39 +0800 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: And, if the solution is to change that line sslConfig.setProtocol( QSsl::TlsV1 ); where do I find that line, to make the change? You'll have to change it in the Arora's source, then rebuild the package. And, please note that: 1) Downgrading all https connections to SSLv3 is a bad thing from the security viewpoint. 2) Exact syntax of sslConfig may differ. I assume that change should go somewhere along the line 170 of src/network/networkaccessmanager.cpp, but I may be wrong. If you're in hurry - I suggest you to try Firefox (Iceweasel). Reco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140820151324.4720db15f31cce4b8fec4...@gmail.com
Re: Skype substitutes for current Debian?
On 20/08/2014, Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. On Wed, 20 Aug 2014 18:01:39 +0800 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: And, if the solution is to change that line sslConfig.setProtocol( QSsl::TlsV1 ); where do I find that line, to make the change? You'll have to change it in the Arora's source, then rebuild the package. And, please note that: 1) Downgrading all https connections to SSLv3 is a bad thing from the security viewpoint. 2) Exact syntax of sslConfig may differ. I assume that change should go somewhere along the line 170 of src/network/networkaccessmanager.cpp, but I may be wrong. When I first saw the message above, I thought This is all way beyone me - I have never done anything like work on Debian packages source code, or build a Debian package. Then, it just occurred to me - maybe this is a thing for the Debian 6 LTS project team? It is a Debian 6 security issue, is it not? -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cacx6j8mohuqknhnvip8crem8houapfgu2i_81knfnrkeevb...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Skype substitutes for current Debian?
I am a huge fan of Jitsi (http://jitsi.org) Does SIP, XMMP and integrates with several others. Offers full OTR and Video/RTSP encryption. There are several SIP to SKYPE gateway providers out there which will allow you to use any Sip client to make skype voice calls. Jitsi's desktop app isn't the prettiest but they have a great dev team committed to FLOSS and have a WEBRTC backend (jitsi meet) which is also great. -Joel On 21 August 2014 15:40, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 20/08/2014, Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. On Wed, 20 Aug 2014 18:01:39 +0800 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: And, if the solution is to change that line sslConfig.setProtocol( QSsl::TlsV1 ); where do I find that line, to make the change? You'll have to change it in the Arora's source, then rebuild the package. And, please note that: 1) Downgrading all https connections to SSLv3 is a bad thing from the security viewpoint. 2) Exact syntax of sslConfig may differ. I assume that change should go somewhere along the line 170 of src/network/networkaccessmanager.cpp, but I may be wrong. When I first saw the message above, I thought This is all way beyone me - I have never done anything like work on Debian packages source code, or build a Debian package. Then, it just occurred to me - maybe this is a thing for the Debian 6 LTS project team? It is a Debian 6 security issue, is it not? -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cacx6j8mohuqknhnvip8crem8houapfgu2i_81knfnrkeevb...@mail.gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAKiAkGThfCYPj1-O8VOsqb60xqKnT0k0=3_n2dgd7b--mvr...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Skype substitutes for current Debian?
On 19/08/2014, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote:
On 19/08/2014, Paul van der Vlis p...@vandervlis.nl wrote:
op 10-08-14 20:55, Tom Roche schreef:
Having recently received the Skype email requiring reinstall with new
version, I'd like to learn more about available, working substitutes
for Skype for D7/wheezy, possibly current testing/jessie, and maybe
even more robust bits of sid. (For brevity, I'll refer to that
collectively as D7++.) Particularly I'm interested in the following
usecase: someone receives request from OP to do an interview by
Skype, the service with which the OP is most familiar. Are there,
e.g.,
1. Skype-compatible clients for D7++ which could be used to connect
directly to an OP running Skype?
There are no Skype compatible clients.
2. Alternate services (e.g., Google Hangout) with ease-of-use
sufficiently approximate to Skype that the D7++ user could reasonably
propose to an OP of {usual, not very strong} IT-literacy?
For about a month I've tested an online service called Bistri:
https://bistri.com/
It worked fine with Chromium, but not with Iceweasel then (maybe it
works now with a newer version).
That web site is all https, even for looking for information about the
application, and, the home page itself.
I have just done a system update (Debian 6 LTS), which included a
number of libraries, including SSL libraries (I mention this here,
because I do not know whether that is the cause of the problem).
When I went to look at that web site, I repeatedly got The
certificate at (multiple paths within the web site, even though I
was trying to get to only the home page of the web site, in the first
instance - I could not even get to the home page) has expired - do you
want to ignore this error, I clicked on the Yes option. I did that
about ten or twenty times, and then my web browser crashed.
So, they can put that web site, where it hurts.
When web sites make even their home pages, malware, they have no place
in the World Wide Web.
--
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
..
So once you do know what the question actually is,
you'll know what the answer means.
- Deep Thought,
Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
A Trilogy In Four Parts,
written by Douglas Adams,
published by Pan Books, 1992
SSL Errors:
for: https://bistri.com/
The certificate has expired
Do you want to ignore these errors?
--
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
..
So once you do know what the question actually is,
you'll know what the answer means.
- Deep Thought,
Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
A Trilogy In Four Parts,
written by Douglas Adams,
published by Pan Books, 1992
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Re: Skype substitutes for current Debian?
On Tuesday 19 August 2014 07:17:25 Bret Busby wrote:
On 19/08/2014, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote:
On 19/08/2014, Paul van der Vlis p...@vandervlis.nl wrote:
op 10-08-14 20:55, Tom Roche schreef:
Having recently received the Skype email requiring reinstall with new
version, I'd like to learn more about available, working substitutes
for Skype for D7/wheezy, possibly current testing/jessie, and maybe
even more robust bits of sid. (For brevity, I'll refer to that
collectively as D7++.) Particularly I'm interested in the following
usecase: someone receives request from OP to do an interview by
Skype, the service with which the OP is most familiar. Are there,
e.g.,
1. Skype-compatible clients for D7++ which could be used to connect
directly to an OP running Skype?
There are no Skype compatible clients.
2. Alternate services (e.g., Google Hangout) with ease-of-use
sufficiently approximate to Skype that the D7++ user could reasonably
propose to an OP of {usual, not very strong} IT-literacy?
For about a month I've tested an online service called Bistri:
https://bistri.com/
It worked fine with Chromium, but not with Iceweasel then (maybe it
works now with a newer version).
That web site is all https, even for looking for information about the
application, and, the home page itself.
I have just done a system update (Debian 6 LTS), which included a
number of libraries, including SSL libraries (I mention this here,
because I do not know whether that is the cause of the problem).
When I went to look at that web site, I repeatedly got The
certificate at (multiple paths within the web site, even though I
was trying to get to only the home page of the web site, in the first
instance - I could not even get to the home page) has expired - do you
want to ignore this error, I clicked on the Yes option. I did that
about ten or twenty times, and then my web browser crashed.
[snip]
SSL Errors:
for: https://bistri.com/
The certificate has expired
Do you want to ignore these errors?
I just clicked on your own hyperlink above and got straight through. I
usually get warnings of expired certificates.
Whatever your problem is, it appears not to be with the site.
Lisi
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Re: Skype substitutes for current Debian?
On 8/11/14, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: On Sun 10 Aug 2014 at 14:55:23 -0400, Tom Roche wrote: 1. Skype-compatible clients for D7++ which could be used to connect directly to an OP running Skype? The Skype network is a network relying on proprietry protocols to access it. The only software which has the necessary knowledge of those protocols is the Skype program. There are no Skype-compatible clients other than what the Skype company provides. That would be, Microsoft. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAOsGNSRPBHhy11A5sqAQcGVpY=tdygl-58mrepv_5a3auw5...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Skype substitutes for current Debian?
On Tue, 19 Aug 2014 14:17:25 +0800 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Bret, SSL Errors: Like Lisi, I got no such problem. -- Regards _ / ) The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent Life's short, don't make a mess of it No Time To Be 21 - The Adverts pgpGfqI_8MjDz.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Skype substitutes for current Debian?
On 8/19/2014 2:17 AM, Bret Busby wrote: SSL Errors: for: https://bistri.com/ The certificate has expired Do you want to ignore these errors? The certificate is valid from 1/6/2014 to 2/20/2015. Are you sure your system time is set correctly? Jerry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53f333db.3070...@attglobal.net
Re: Skype substitutes for current Debian?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/19/2014 02:31 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Tuesday 19 August 2014 07:17:25 Bret Busby wrote: [snip] When I went to look at that web site, I repeatedly got The certificate at (multiple paths within the web site, even though I was trying to get to only the home page of the web site, in the first instance - I could not even get to the home page) has expired - do you want to ignore this error, I clicked on the Yes option. I did that about ten or twenty times, and then my web browser crashed. [snip] SSL Errors: for: https://bistri.com/ The certificate has expired Do you want to ignore these errors? I just clicked on your own hyperlink above and got straight through. I usually get warnings of expired certificates. Whatever your problem is, it appears not to be with the site. Lisi Steve Gibson reports, Secure browser connections can be intercepted and decrypted... Worth a look: https://www.grc.com/fingerprints.htm Regards, Ralph -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Icedove - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJT8115AAoJECe2FpioHXO6tN4H/jhyze14BB8z5GQy7FptlfiV +pon33i7l5Cv3f58mnm9JxfixOnIkzEcHX2fsWg8dCDYI9+vVFdtoXNT4paj/tb0 n3hQdfJlnu5mkhKdbUEsTWZxsoiUYMiv85UtJQmgKkjudN8eEAodMe9hijmsvg8I eqWuiFgPgmflM6Wes9oWp7rA1DAAbvfXVMHUXVzka5ksdmzjAZADA4Uqv0Cqh1P8 RfA0WmCZrqZiBOSoIuRNLfossRF2vOkKfbfnoqZmbhiT09PD++L6sI1IelG2cPzs vZOn8lzWTGIhF7FRZ0ZBteWua71FaH5X75zIXBq9lUBc8AZL9NCxLdg7njo25ZU= =yA+D -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53f35d8c.8040...@rcn.com
Re: Skype substitutes for current Debian?
Hi. On Tue, 19 Aug 2014 14:17:25 +0800 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: SSL Errors: for: https://bistri.com/ The certificate has expired Do you want to ignore these errors? Hmm. It appears that they practicing SSL Bump where you live. Can you please post the output of: openssl s_client -host bistri.com -port 443 -showcerts dig bistri.com Reco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140819184615.977949f2b41ce4eb4abe8...@gmail.com
Re: Skype substitutes for current Debian?
On 20/08/2014 12:22 AM, Ralph Katz wrote: Steve Gibson reports, Secure browser connections can be intercepted and decrypted... Worth a look: https://www.grc.com/fingerprints.htm Got a good fingerprint in my browser, it matches from the Gibson tool 2C:A6:F7:D4:76:A4:B9:BF:2D:85:88:4B:71:B9:46:4D:6D:E8:F6:81 [I am also in AU like Bret Busby, but on the East side, whilst he is on the West side...] Cheers A. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Skype substitutes for current Debian?
New version socks, no audio due to the removal of alsa support On 19 Aug 2014 16:15, Andrew McGlashan andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au wrote: On 20/08/2014 12:22 AM, Ralph Katz wrote: Steve Gibson reports, Secure browser connections can be intercepted and decrypted... Worth a look: https://www.grc.com/fingerprints.htm Got a good fingerprint in my browser, it matches from the Gibson tool 2C:A6:F7:D4:76:A4:B9:BF:2D:85:88:4B:71:B9:46:4D:6D:E8:F6:81 [I am also in AU like Bret Busby, but on the East side, whilst he is on the West side...] Cheers A.
Re: Skype substitutes for current Debian?
On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 09:03:44PM +0100, Michael Jones wrote: New version socks, no audio due to the removal of alsa support I have similar problem, no audio with new version. So let me ask, did you install pulseaudio and doing that didn't help? How do you know that the problem is due to shift to pulseaudio and not for some other reason? Can an old version of Skype be installed until the problem with the new is resolved? Haines -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140819205945.gd3...@historicalmaterialism.info
Re: Skype substitutes for current Debian?
Am Dienstag, 19. August 2014, 16:59:45 schrieb Haines Brown: On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 09:03:44PM +0100, Michael Jones wrote: New version socks, no audio due to the removal of alsa support I have similar problem, no audio with new version. So let me ask, did you install pulseaudio and doing that didn't help? How do you know that the problem is due to shift to pulseaudio and not for some other reason? Can an old version of Skype be installed until the problem with the new is resolved? See the other thread about hex editing the new version into a 4.2 binary :) -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1623793.iWIRgGpneF@merkaba
Re: Skype substitutes for current Debian?
I'm getting that same Skype-no-sound problem you mention. Thanks, steveT On Tue, 19 Aug 2014 21:03:44 +0100 Michael Jones m...@mikejonesey.co.uk wrote: New version socks, no audio due to the removal of alsa support On 19 Aug 2014 16:15, Andrew McGlashan andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au wrote: On 20/08/2014 12:22 AM, Ralph Katz wrote: Steve Gibson reports, Secure browser connections can be intercepted and decrypted... Worth a look: https://www.grc.com/fingerprints.htm Got a good fingerprint in my browser, it matches from the Gibson tool 2C:A6:F7:D4:76:A4:B9:BF:2D:85:88:4B:71:B9:46:4D:6D:E8:F6:81 [I am also in AU like Bret Busby, but on the East side, whilst he is on the West side...] Cheers A. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140819211849.65120...@mydesq2.domain.cxm
Re: Skype substitutes for current Debian?
On 19/08/2014, Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. On Tue, 19 Aug 2014 14:17:25 +0800 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: SSL Errors: for: https://bistri.com/ The certificate has expired Do you want to ignore these errors? Hmm. It appears that they practicing SSL Bump where you live. Can you please post the output of: openssl s_client -host bistri.com -port 443 -showcerts dig bistri.com Reco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140819184615.977949f2b41ce4eb4abe8...@gmail.com See below. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 :~$ openssl s_client -host bistri.com -port 443 -showcerts CONNECTED(0003) depth=1 /O=AlphaSSL/CN=AlphaSSL CA - G2 verify error:num=20:unable to get local issuer certificate verify return:0 --- Certificate chain 0 s:/OU=Domain Control Validated/CN=*.bistri.com i:/O=AlphaSSL/CN=AlphaSSL CA - G2 -BEGIN CERTIFICATE- MIIEoTCCA4mgAwIBAgISESFcs46SSBuSGOuZib47rm0QMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBQUA MC4xETAPBgNVBAoTCEFscGhhU1NMMRkwFwYDVQQDExBBbHBoYVNTTCBDQSAtIEcy MB4XDTE0MDEwNjE1MjczMloXDTE1MDIyMDE1MDgwM1owOjEhMB8GA1UECxMYRG9t YWluIENvbnRyb2wgVmFsaWRhdGVkMRUwEwYDVQQDDAwqLmJpc3RyaS5jb20wggEi MA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4IBDwAwggEKAoIBAQDfSw1PiJTd5d6FrvWr6h5SQcVc mvTcsjOkb9kz3a9err3mxeSgK2MGgvZTKpRireZcyZT+49Vhm1t8646RufAoXbYN VNTMB72M1TTub1nm1D3Yp8JZcLC0VxUqC2i9ahufiAz1v8fn+GTv8R7bUEzIIUnV Ti5A+RQdWNpS82xr7w2xAt/wQkKYls4KxBDAVZ6Q/qzDV5Aq3O19DQpfRXaaGbHV X8+/bn73cBiB4yi+CxYCtQ6irtOrtYa5Qgf5ErwForXqka7NTiZecfebyITwamjf Le5OLDWVclB+JikvN1oTKDkV7V+QFFSH6XOF7Vg8sWB16z3pf/i8eSL0LsidAgMB AAGjggGrMIIBpzAOBgNVHQ8BAf8EBAMCBaAwSQYDVR0gBEIwQDA+BgZngQwBAgEw NDAyBggrBgEFBQcCARYmaHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ2xvYmFsc2lnbi5jb20vcmVwb3Np dG9yeS8wIwYDVR0RBBwwGoIMKi5iaXN0cmkuY29tggpiaXN0cmkuY29tMAkGA1Ud EwQCMAAwHQYDVR0lBBYwFAYIKwYBBQUHAwEGCCsGAQUFBwMCMDoGA1UdHwQzMDEw L6AtoCuGKWh0dHA6Ly9jcmwyLmFscGhhc3NsLmNvbS9ncy9nc2FscGhhZzIuY3Js MH8GCCsGAQUFBwEBBHMwcTA8BggrBgEFBQcwAoYwaHR0cDovL3NlY3VyZTIuYWxw aGFzc2wuY29tL2NhY2VydC9nc2FscGhhZzIuY3J0MDEGCCsGAQUFBzABhiVodHRw Oi8vb2NzcDIuZ2xvYmFsc2lnbi5jb20vZ3NhbHBoYWcyMB0GA1UdDgQWBBTsS8sy 58zT4gfBcW+970y6lb7DYTAfBgNVHSMEGDAWgBQU6hlV8A4NMsYfdDO3jmYaTBIx HjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFAAOCAQEAMvVhSF7sJtNZh/fpitHFdPteDTJALAPzN2zX ymQAhMkQLJQzSVGc6AW5DqjNEO/wEUvxoj/pfrrYKsHUmbqlVz3qDRgzXW156NSL C8IuUggvpyYF/lm/CU3GuIeROygHLnauSjlwONd2fAhmSz8zGhsGnRei8jGtqWUM rHOzmWib/igh+D6IjTTEOs9gu8+p3YkVL0WIzg9+jcLgTj2w5h7EZc/wbjZlIN+s rv5CvSIPrhdY4x1gOWZn1bjlNA8Qlrz57Pt+hiKhCdLLBtwR4QkZ1BirVWBRX2Zs vgVFJzlTVK6cutyiwYeYpruVK6tqF2XlCszjzQR3I0Dm/Gii9Q== -END CERTIFICATE- 1 s:/O=AlphaSSL/CN=AlphaSSL CA - G2 i:/C=BE/O=GlobalSign nv-sa/OU=Root CA/CN=GlobalSign Root CA -BEGIN CERTIFICATE- MIIELzCCAxegAwIBAgILBAABL07hNwIwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwVzELMAkG A1UEBhMCQkUxGTAXBgNVBAoTEEdsb2JhbFNpZ24gbnYtc2ExEDAOBgNVBAsTB1Jv b3QgQ0ExGzAZBgNVBAMTEkdsb2JhbFNpZ24gUm9vdCBDQTAeFw0xMTA0MTMxMDAw MDBaFw0yMjA0MTMxMDAwMDBaMC4xETAPBgNVBAoTCEFscGhhU1NMMRkwFwYDVQQD ExBBbHBoYVNTTCBDQSAtIEcyMIIBIjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAAOCAQ8AMIIBCgKC AQEAw/BliN8b3caChy/JC7pUxmM/RnWsSxQfmHKLHBD/CalSbi9l32WEP1+Bstjx T9fwWrvJr9Ax3SZGKpme2KmjtrgHxMlx95WE79LqH1Sg5b7kQSFWMRBkfR5jjpxx XDygLt5n3MiaIPB1yLC2J4Hrlw3uIkWlwi80J+zgWRJRsx4F5Tgg0mlZelkXvhpL OQgSeTObZGj+WIHdiAxqulm0ryRPYeDK/Bda0jxyq6dMt7nqLeP0P5miTcgdWPh/ UzWO1yKIt2F2CBMTaWawV1kTMQpwgiuT1/biQBXQHQFyxxNYalrsGYkWPODIjYYq +jfwNTLd7OX+gI73BWe0i0J1NQIDAQABo4IBIzCCAR8wDgYDVR0PAQH/BAQDAgEG MBIGA1UdEwEB/wQIMAYBAf8CAQAwHQYDVR0OBBYEFBTqGVXwDg0yxh90M7eOZhpM EjEeMEUGA1UdIAQ+MDwwOgYEVR0gADAyMDAGCCsGAQUFBwIBFiRodHRwczovL3d3 dy5hbHBoYXNzbC5jb20vcmVwb3NpdG9yeS8wMwYDVR0fBCwwKjAooCagJIYiaHR0 cDovL2NybC5nbG9iYWxzaWduLm5ldC9yb290LmNybDA9BggrBgEFBQcBAQQxMC8w LQYIKwYBBQUHMAGGIWh0dHA6Ly9vY3NwLmdsb2JhbHNpZ24uY29tL3Jvb3RyMTAf BgNVHSMEGDAWgBRge2YaRQ2XyolQL30EzTSo//z9SzANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFAAOC AQEABjBCm89JAn6J6fWDWj0C87yyRt5KUO65mpBz2qBcJsqCrA6ts5T6KC6y5kk/ UHcOlS9o82U8nxTyaGCStvwEDfakGKFpYA3jnWhbvJ4LOFmNIdoj+pmKCbkfpy61 VWxH50Hs5uJ/r1VEOeCsdO5l0/qrUUgw8T53be3kD0CY7kd/jbZYJ82Sb2AjzAKb WSh4olGd0Eqc5ZNemI/L7z/K/uCvpMlbbkBYpZItvV1lVcW/fARB2aS1gOmUYAIQ OGoICNdTHC2Tr8kTe9RsxDrE+4CsuzpOVHrNTrM+7fH8EU6f9fMUvLmxMc72qi+l +MPpZqmyIJ3E+LgDYqeF0RhjWw== -END CERTIFICATE- --- Server certificate subject=/OU=Domain Control Validated/CN=*.bistri.com issuer=/O=AlphaSSL/CN=AlphaSSL CA - G2 --- No client certificate CA names sent --- SSL handshake has read 2436 bytes and written 447 bytes --- New, TLSv1/SSLv3, Cipher is AES256-SHA Server public key is 2048 bit Secure Renegotiation IS supported Compression: NONE Expansion: NONE SSL-Session: Protocol
Re: Skype substitutes for current Debian?
On 19/08/2014, Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote: On 8/19/2014 2:17 AM, Bret Busby wrote: SSL Errors: for: https://bistri.com/ The certificate has expired Do you want to ignore these errors? The certificate is valid from 1/6/2014 to 2/20/2015. Are you sure your system time is set correctly? Jerry I believe that the system time is shown in the message full header, in the Date (of message sending) field. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cacx6j8pj8pt_l-b6qt_19ukrqhesrichqtfrmah+oir3kjn...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Skype substitutes for current Debian?
On 20/08/2014, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 19/08/2014, Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. On Tue, 19 Aug 2014 14:17:25 +0800 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: SSL Errors: for: https://bistri.com/ The certificate has expired Do you want to ignore these errors? Hmm. It appears that they practicing SSL Bump where you live. Can you please post the output of: openssl s_client -host bistri.com -port 443 -showcerts dig bistri.com Reco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140819184615.977949f2b41ce4eb4abe8...@gmail.com See below. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 :~$ openssl s_client -host bistri.com -port 443 -showcerts CONNECTED(0003) depth=1 /O=AlphaSSL/CN=AlphaSSL CA - G2 verify error:num=20:unable to get local issuer certificate verify return:0 --- Certificate chain 0 s:/OU=Domain Control Validated/CN=*.bistri.com i:/O=AlphaSSL/CN=AlphaSSL CA - G2 -BEGIN CERTIFICATE- MIIEoTCCA4mgAwIBAgISESFcs46SSBuSGOuZib47rm0QMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBQUA MC4xETAPBgNVBAoTCEFscGhhU1NMMRkwFwYDVQQDExBBbHBoYVNTTCBDQSAtIEcy MB4XDTE0MDEwNjE1MjczMloXDTE1MDIyMDE1MDgwM1owOjEhMB8GA1UECxMYRG9t YWluIENvbnRyb2wgVmFsaWRhdGVkMRUwEwYDVQQDDAwqLmJpc3RyaS5jb20wggEi MA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4IBDwAwggEKAoIBAQDfSw1PiJTd5d6FrvWr6h5SQcVc mvTcsjOkb9kz3a9err3mxeSgK2MGgvZTKpRireZcyZT+49Vhm1t8646RufAoXbYN VNTMB72M1TTub1nm1D3Yp8JZcLC0VxUqC2i9ahufiAz1v8fn+GTv8R7bUEzIIUnV Ti5A+RQdWNpS82xr7w2xAt/wQkKYls4KxBDAVZ6Q/qzDV5Aq3O19DQpfRXaaGbHV X8+/bn73cBiB4yi+CxYCtQ6irtOrtYa5Qgf5ErwForXqka7NTiZecfebyITwamjf Le5OLDWVclB+JikvN1oTKDkV7V+QFFSH6XOF7Vg8sWB16z3pf/i8eSL0LsidAgMB AAGjggGrMIIBpzAOBgNVHQ8BAf8EBAMCBaAwSQYDVR0gBEIwQDA+BgZngQwBAgEw NDAyBggrBgEFBQcCARYmaHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ2xvYmFsc2lnbi5jb20vcmVwb3Np dG9yeS8wIwYDVR0RBBwwGoIMKi5iaXN0cmkuY29tggpiaXN0cmkuY29tMAkGA1Ud EwQCMAAwHQYDVR0lBBYwFAYIKwYBBQUHAwEGCCsGAQUFBwMCMDoGA1UdHwQzMDEw L6AtoCuGKWh0dHA6Ly9jcmwyLmFscGhhc3NsLmNvbS9ncy9nc2FscGhhZzIuY3Js MH8GCCsGAQUFBwEBBHMwcTA8BggrBgEFBQcwAoYwaHR0cDovL3NlY3VyZTIuYWxw aGFzc2wuY29tL2NhY2VydC9nc2FscGhhZzIuY3J0MDEGCCsGAQUFBzABhiVodHRw Oi8vb2NzcDIuZ2xvYmFsc2lnbi5jb20vZ3NhbHBoYWcyMB0GA1UdDgQWBBTsS8sy 58zT4gfBcW+970y6lb7DYTAfBgNVHSMEGDAWgBQU6hlV8A4NMsYfdDO3jmYaTBIx HjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFAAOCAQEAMvVhSF7sJtNZh/fpitHFdPteDTJALAPzN2zX ymQAhMkQLJQzSVGc6AW5DqjNEO/wEUvxoj/pfrrYKsHUmbqlVz3qDRgzXW156NSL C8IuUggvpyYF/lm/CU3GuIeROygHLnauSjlwONd2fAhmSz8zGhsGnRei8jGtqWUM rHOzmWib/igh+D6IjTTEOs9gu8+p3YkVL0WIzg9+jcLgTj2w5h7EZc/wbjZlIN+s rv5CvSIPrhdY4x1gOWZn1bjlNA8Qlrz57Pt+hiKhCdLLBtwR4QkZ1BirVWBRX2Zs vgVFJzlTVK6cutyiwYeYpruVK6tqF2XlCszjzQR3I0Dm/Gii9Q== -END CERTIFICATE- 1 s:/O=AlphaSSL/CN=AlphaSSL CA - G2 i:/C=BE/O=GlobalSign nv-sa/OU=Root CA/CN=GlobalSign Root CA -BEGIN CERTIFICATE- MIIELzCCAxegAwIBAgILBAABL07hNwIwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwVzELMAkG A1UEBhMCQkUxGTAXBgNVBAoTEEdsb2JhbFNpZ24gbnYtc2ExEDAOBgNVBAsTB1Jv b3QgQ0ExGzAZBgNVBAMTEkdsb2JhbFNpZ24gUm9vdCBDQTAeFw0xMTA0MTMxMDAw MDBaFw0yMjA0MTMxMDAwMDBaMC4xETAPBgNVBAoTCEFscGhhU1NMMRkwFwYDVQQD ExBBbHBoYVNTTCBDQSAtIEcyMIIBIjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAAOCAQ8AMIIBCgKC AQEAw/BliN8b3caChy/JC7pUxmM/RnWsSxQfmHKLHBD/CalSbi9l32WEP1+Bstjx T9fwWrvJr9Ax3SZGKpme2KmjtrgHxMlx95WE79LqH1Sg5b7kQSFWMRBkfR5jjpxx XDygLt5n3MiaIPB1yLC2J4Hrlw3uIkWlwi80J+zgWRJRsx4F5Tgg0mlZelkXvhpL OQgSeTObZGj+WIHdiAxqulm0ryRPYeDK/Bda0jxyq6dMt7nqLeP0P5miTcgdWPh/ UzWO1yKIt2F2CBMTaWawV1kTMQpwgiuT1/biQBXQHQFyxxNYalrsGYkWPODIjYYq +jfwNTLd7OX+gI73BWe0i0J1NQIDAQABo4IBIzCCAR8wDgYDVR0PAQH/BAQDAgEG MBIGA1UdEwEB/wQIMAYBAf8CAQAwHQYDVR0OBBYEFBTqGVXwDg0yxh90M7eOZhpM EjEeMEUGA1UdIAQ+MDwwOgYEVR0gADAyMDAGCCsGAQUFBwIBFiRodHRwczovL3d3 dy5hbHBoYXNzbC5jb20vcmVwb3NpdG9yeS8wMwYDVR0fBCwwKjAooCagJIYiaHR0 cDovL2NybC5nbG9iYWxzaWduLm5ldC9yb290LmNybDA9BggrBgEFBQcBAQQxMC8w LQYIKwYBBQUHMAGGIWh0dHA6Ly9vY3NwLmdsb2JhbHNpZ24uY29tL3Jvb3RyMTAf BgNVHSMEGDAWgBRge2YaRQ2XyolQL30EzTSo//z9SzANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFAAOC AQEABjBCm89JAn6J6fWDWj0C87yyRt5KUO65mpBz2qBcJsqCrA6ts5T6KC6y5kk/ UHcOlS9o82U8nxTyaGCStvwEDfakGKFpYA3jnWhbvJ4LOFmNIdoj+pmKCbkfpy61 VWxH50Hs5uJ/r1VEOeCsdO5l0/qrUUgw8T53be3kD0CY7kd/jbZYJ82Sb2AjzAKb WSh4olGd0Eqc5ZNemI/L7z/K/uCvpMlbbkBYpZItvV1lVcW/fARB2aS1gOmUYAIQ OGoICNdTHC2Tr8kTe9RsxDrE+4CsuzpOVHrNTrM+7fH8EU6f9fMUvLmxMc72qi+l +MPpZqmyIJ3E+LgDYqeF0RhjWw== -END CERTIFICATE- --- Server certificate subject=/OU=Domain Control Validated/CN=*.bistri.com issuer=/O=AlphaSSL/CN=AlphaSSL CA - G2 --- No client certificate CA names sent --- SSL handshake has read 2436 bytes and written 447 bytes --- New, TLSv1/SSLv3,
Re: Skype substitutes for current Debian?
op 10-08-14 20:55, Tom Roche schreef:
Having recently received the Skype email requiring reinstall with new
version, I'd like to learn more about available, working substitutes
for Skype for D7/wheezy, possibly current testing/jessie, and maybe
even more robust bits of sid. (For brevity, I'll refer to that
collectively as D7++.) Particularly I'm interested in the following
usecase: someone receives request from OP to do an interview by
Skype, the service with which the OP is most familiar. Are there,
e.g.,
1. Skype-compatible clients for D7++ which could be used to connect
directly to an OP running Skype?
There are no Skype compatible clients.
2. Alternate services (e.g., Google Hangout) with ease-of-use
sufficiently approximate to Skype that the D7++ user could reasonably
propose to an OP of {usual, not very strong} IT-literacy?
For about a month I've tested an online service called Bistri:
https://bistri.com/
It worked fine with Chromium, but not with Iceweasel then (maybe it
works now with a newer version).
The other side does not need to register with Bistri, Only clicking on a
link is enough to connect to you.
I think web-based is a good idea.
3. Skype-compatible clients for D7++ which could be used to connect
directly to an OP running that alternate service?
I'm especially interested in evaluations of
https://wiki.debian.org/skype
free and open source alternative[s,] community-owned and supported
by Debian, such as the VoIP ekiga , linphone , or jitsi ?
I've tested Ekiga and Linphone. The problem of the SIP protocol is that
it does not work very well behind NAT. And most people are behind a NAT
router. I think XMPP is the better protocol, but using a VPN with SIP is
maybe a good alternative (more compatible).
A problem is that the other side needs to have something what's
compatible with you. It seems that Jitsi is a good client, but it's Java
and I am always a bit sceptical about Java.
But I think it's the best to look at online services.
Because it's more easy for the other side (no installation).
With regards,
Paul van der Vlis.
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Re: Skype substitutes for current Debian?
On 19/08/2014, Paul van der Vlis p...@vandervlis.nl wrote:
op 10-08-14 20:55, Tom Roche schreef:
Having recently received the Skype email requiring reinstall with new
version, I'd like to learn more about available, working substitutes
for Skype for D7/wheezy, possibly current testing/jessie, and maybe
even more robust bits of sid. (For brevity, I'll refer to that
collectively as D7++.) Particularly I'm interested in the following
usecase: someone receives request from OP to do an interview by
Skype, the service with which the OP is most familiar. Are there,
e.g.,
1. Skype-compatible clients for D7++ which could be used to connect
directly to an OP running Skype?
There are no Skype compatible clients.
2. Alternate services (e.g., Google Hangout) with ease-of-use
sufficiently approximate to Skype that the D7++ user could reasonably
propose to an OP of {usual, not very strong} IT-literacy?
For about a month I've tested an online service called Bistri:
https://bistri.com/
It worked fine with Chromium, but not with Iceweasel then (maybe it
works now with a newer version).
That web site is all https, even for looking for information about the
application, and, the home page itself.
I have just done a system update (Debian 6 LTS), which included a
number of libraries, including SSL libraries (I mention this here,
because I do not know whether that is the cause of the problem).
When I went to look at that web site, I repeatedly got The
certificate at (multiple paths within the web site, even though I
was trying to get to only the home page of the web site, in the first
instance - I could not even get to the home page) has expired - do you
want to ignore this error, I clicked on the Yes option. I did that
about ten or twenty times, and then my web browser crashed.
So, they can put that web site, where it hurts.
When web sites make even their home pages, malware, they have no place
in the World Wide Web.
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West Australia
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So once you do know what the question actually is,
you'll know what the answer means.
- Deep Thought,
Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
A Trilogy In Four Parts,
written by Douglas Adams,
published by Pan Books, 1992
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Re: Re: Skype substitutes for current Debian?
On Monday 11 August 2014 12:09:07 Bret Busby wrote: Is the new version available in 64 bit (for Debian amd64 7.x), or, is it limited to 32 bit, with 32 bit stuff to enable it to run on 64 bit operating systems , 32 bits and, is the new version available as a .deb package? yes. You should install this package with gdebi, so all dependencies are installed from Debian archive. HTH -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1817822.gb2XTfcZys@gandalf
Re: Skype substitutes for current Debian?
On Sun 10 Aug 2014 at 14:55:23 -0400, Tom Roche wrote: Having recently received the Skype email requiring reinstall with new version, I'd like to learn more about available, working substitutes for Skype for D7/wheezy, possibly current testing/jessie, and maybe even more robust bits of sid. (For brevity, I'll refer to that collectively as D7++.) Particularly I'm interested in the following usecase: someone receives request from OP to do an interview by Skype, the service with which the OP is most familiar. Are there, e.g., 1. Skype-compatible clients for D7++ which could be used to connect directly to an OP running Skype? The Skype network is a network relying on proprietry protocols to access it. The only software which has the necessary knowledge of those protocols is the Skype program. There are no Skype-compatible clients other than what the Skype company provides. Install the new version and be done with it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/10082014200844.486aa3067...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: Skype substitutes for current Debian?
On 11/08/2014, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: On Sun 10 Aug 2014 at 14:55:23 -0400, Tom Roche wrote: Having recently received the Skype email requiring reinstall with new version, I'd like to learn more about available, working substitutes for Skype for D7/wheezy, possibly current testing/jessie, and maybe even more robust bits of sid. (For brevity, I'll refer to that collectively as D7++.) Particularly I'm interested in the following usecase: someone receives request from OP to do an interview by Skype, the service with which the OP is most familiar. Are there, e.g., 1. Skype-compatible clients for D7++ which could be used to connect directly to an OP running Skype? The Skype network is a network relying on proprietry protocols to access it. The only software which has the necessary knowledge of those protocols is the Skype program. There are no Skype-compatible clients other than what the Skype company provides. Install the new version and be done with it. Is the new version available in 64 bit (for Debian amd64 7.x), or, is it limited to 32 bit, with 32 bit stuff to enable it to run on 64 bit operating systems , and, is the new version available as a .deb package? -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cacx6j8nrcmvongtbtzuqjbdsczj_wlcy865miop1nd9lpth...@mail.gmail.com
