Re: Star Office 6
On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 10:20:56AM -0500, Hanasaki JiJi wrote: Where, exactly, did this text come from? It's quoted from the license agreement for Star Office 6 beta. -- Tommi Komulainen [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG 1024D/68388EE66FD6 DD79 EB38 BF6F 3533 09C0 04A8 9871 6838 8EE6 pgpQhlkSPAGGx.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Star Office 6
On Sat, Oct 13, 2001 at 08:35:51PM +0300, Tommi Komulainen wrote: On Sat, Oct 13, 2001 at 06:11:08AM -0700, sheine wrote: I have downloaded all the files for Star Office 6, but haven't the slightest idea of how to install them. The guide describes a method that relates to the CD version. All the files are of the form *.bin. Does anybody know what to do next? Just a thought, you weren't planning to do anything productive with, or did you? If you did, guess you'd better reconsider: 3.0 LICENSE RESTRICTIONS [...] 3.4 Licensee shall have no right to use the Licensed Software for productive or commercial use. You did read the license agreement of course, right? :) I think I prefer OpenOffice, if I really *really* need to edit Word documents... there's a difference between 'lack of right to...' and 'prohibited from...' i don't have a right to borrow your lawn mower. i may use up all your gas, or i may perform some claen-up and maintenance on it, and return it with a full tank and fresh oil -- but i still don't have the right. nor am i forbidden, until you say i am. the agreement doesn't say MUST NOT use Licensed Software for productive or commercial use. it says shall have no right to. -- DEBIAN NEWBIE TIP #14 from Will Trillich [EMAIL PROTECTED] : What's a RUNLEVEL? It's simply a big-time setting group; runlevel 2 might have a full-blown web server plus X running, and runlevel 3 might be ssh-only, for secure logins. Check /etc/inittab (and /etc/rcRUNLEVEL.d/*) for details on how yours are set up. And try man runlevel. Also see http://newbieDoc.sourceForge.net/ ...
Re: Star Office 6
Where, exactly, did this text come from? will trillich wrote: On Sat, Oct 13, 2001 at 08:35:51PM +0300, Tommi Komulainen wrote: On Sat, Oct 13, 2001 at 06:11:08AM -0700, sheine wrote: I have downloaded all the files for Star Office 6, but haven't the slightest idea of how to install them. The guide describes a method that relates to the CD version. All the files are of the form *.bin. Does anybody know what to do next? Just a thought, you weren't planning to do anything productive with, or did you? If you did, guess you'd better reconsider: 3.0 LICENSE RESTRICTIONS [...] 3.4 Licensee shall have no right to use the Licensed Software for productive or commercial use. You did read the license agreement of course, right? :) I think I prefer OpenOffice, if I really *really* need to edit Word documents...
Re: Star Office 6
Phillip Deackes wrote: On Sat, 13 Oct 2001 07:12:06 -0700 sheine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I changed the permissions and got new troubles. The soa and sop files started, but told me that I did not have enough disk memory, when I am reasonably sure that I do. The first so file told me that I needed the directory on the last so file. When I tried it, I was told that a bin file couldn't be executed. Has anyone made this thing work? Yes. It is wonderful too. I ran the x.bin file (as root) like this: x.bin -net I don't know the answer, but what I have noticed is that the OP downloaded multiple files, and all the answers to date have been about a single file. The problem appears to be specific to having multiple files. Unfortunately, while I think I did download multiple files for 5.2 ages ago, I can't remember what I did. I now have the single file, so maybe I gave up. I have just downloaded the (single) file for openoffice, but haven't tried it yet. Not that that's relevant - except to the response about licensing. Richard
Re: Re. Star Office 6
On Sat, Oct 13, 2001 at 01:37:55PM -0700, sheine wrote: Tommi Komulainen wrote: Just a thought, you weren't planning to do anything productive with, or did you? If you did, guess you'd better reconsider: [I was referring to StarOffice there] I guess I should've added more smileys there... The whole point was that nobody ever reads the license agreements. Please, do feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. :) You must agree that prohibiting productive work in the license agreement is somewhat amusing. I know, it's beta, but still... This message caused me to reconsider the several years that I have fooled around with linux. Maybe it is just a computer game, not a serious tool. It doesn't crash like Windows, but no matter how well things are going, a new problem always arises. In the absence of good documentation, the best way to solve a problem is to go to this web site. But a tool is something that works when you need it and doesn't continuously call attention to itself. Interesting response to my half-assed attempt to remind that one might want to read the license agreement every now and then. Now, would you be surprised if I told you that the same clause prohibiting productive work is also present in the Windows version license agreement? Does that make you wonder if Windows is just a computer game, not a serious tool? And what about Solaris? I believe that one should use the tool that gets the job done. However there usually is more than one thing to do so you have compromise. You can do one job very well in one platform but some other job in the same platform gives you massive headaches. And yet both jobs has to be done. One has to find a suitable balance between productivity and headaches. For me and my programmer's nature Linux is clearly the winner (of those that I've tried so far.) For you it might be something else. Hammer is *not* the only tool there is in the toolbox. -- Tommi Komulainen [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG 1024D/68388EE66FD6 DD79 EB38 BF6F 3533 09C0 04A8 9871 6838 8EE6 pgp2KAsoa8zEm.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Star Office 6
On Sat, Oct 13, 2001 at 06:11:08AM -0700, sheine wrote: I have downloaded all the files for Star Office 6, but haven't the slightest idea of how to install them. The guide describes a method that relates to the CD version. All the files are of the form *.bin. Does anybody know what to do next? Just make it executable and run it. Mike -- Michael P. Soulier [EMAIL PROTECTED], GnuPG pub key: 5BC8BE08 Pretty soon, massive bloat is the industry standard and everyone is using huge, buggy programs not even their developers can love. -Eric S. Raymond, The Art of Unix Programming pgpO9YnP4GNGD.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Star Office 6
I changed the permissions and got new troubles. The soa and sop files started, but told me that I did not have enough disk memory, when I am reasonably sure that I do. The first so file told me that I needed the directory on the last so file. When I tried it, I was told that a bin file couldn't be executed. Has anyone made this thing work?
Re: Star Office 6
On Sat, 13 Oct 2001 07:12:06 -0700 sheine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I changed the permissions and got new troubles. The soa and sop files started, but told me that I did not have enough disk memory, when I am reasonably sure that I do. The first so file told me that I needed the directory on the last so file. When I tried it, I was told that a bin file couldn't be executed. Has anyone made this thing work? Yes. It is wonderful too. I ran the x.bin file (as root) like this: x.bin -net I installed it into /opt/staroffice6.0 Once installed, I ran to /opt/staroffice6.0/setup which installed a few files into my home directory. I prefer to install this way, I don't like executable apps in home. Runs very smoothly. I am head of the ICT department in a UK high school and have installed the Windows version of Star Office at school. It works so well I am seriously considering ditching MS Office. -- Phillip Deackes Using Debian Linux /\ \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN XAGAINST HTML MAIL AND NEWS / \
Re: Star Office 6
On Sat, Oct 13, 2001 at 07:12:06AM -0700, sheine wrote: I changed the permissions and got new troubles. The soa and sop files started, but told me that I did not have enough disk memory, when I am reasonably sure that I do. The first so file told me that I needed the directory on the last so file. When I tried it, I was told that a bin file couldn't be executed. Has anyone made this thing work? I had a similar problem when I downloaded files that were corrupted by my web browser. I used ncftp instead and it worked fine. Mike -- Michael P. Soulier [EMAIL PROTECTED], GnuPG pub key: 5BC8BE08 Pretty soon, massive bloat is the industry standard and everyone is using huge, buggy programs not even their developers can love. -Eric S. Raymond, The Art of Unix Programming pgpjDycGURSsw.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Star Office 6
On Sat, Oct 13, 2001 at 06:11:08AM -0700, sheine wrote: I have downloaded all the files for Star Office 6, but haven't the slightest idea of how to install them. The guide describes a method that relates to the CD version. All the files are of the form *.bin. Does anybody know what to do next? Just a thought, you weren't planning to do anything productive with, or did you? If you did, guess you'd better reconsider: 3.0 LICENSE RESTRICTIONS [...] 3.4 Licensee shall have no right to use the Licensed Software for productive or commercial use. You did read the license agreement of course, right? :) I think I prefer OpenOffice, if I really *really* need to edit Word documents... -- Tommi Komulainen [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG 1024D/68388EE66FD6 DD79 EB38 BF6F 3533 09C0 04A8 9871 6838 8EE6 pgpotUyhuSSoX.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re. Star Office 6
Tommi Komulainen wrote: Just a thought, you weren't planning to do anything productive with, or did you? If you did, guess you'd better reconsider: This message caused me to reconsider the several years that I have fooled around with linux. Maybe it is just a computer game, not a serious tool. It doesn't crash like Windows, but no matter how well things are going, a new problem always arises. In the absence of good documentation, the best way to solve a problem is to go to this web site. But a tool is something that works when you need it and doesn't continuously call attention to itself. I suppose that this will offend real linux enthusiasts for whom building linux is the goal. However, for ordinary people like me, what is wanted is a reliable tool at least as good as Windows, without subservience to Microsoft. I shall continue to play the linux game, but regrettably depend on Windows for serious work. Would that it were otherwise.
Re: Re. Star Office 6
sheine [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Tommi Komulainen wrote: Just a thought, you weren't planning to do anything productive with, or did you? If you did, guess you'd better reconsider: This message caused me to reconsider the several years that I have fooled around with linux. Maybe it is just a computer game, not a serious tool. Linux is not the tool for all needs right now, and Star Office is not the only tool on Linux. First, the SO6 beta is a beta. One should not depend on a beta for production needs on any platform. It's always better to have a stable baseline for production use, even if it may be more buggy in some ways than the latest beta: at least you know the bugs in the stable release and can work around them. Second, there are lots of other tools which are stable under Linux. I've been getting work done for 7 years using Linux. In general, I don't use Office apps much... as a software developer under Unix and relatives, I don't need to very often. For my personal documentation needs, LaTeX is ideal. For work, where MS Office reigns supreme and I need to transfer docs back and forth all the time, MS is the only option, unfortunately. No other office suite, under any platform, does round tripping without diminishing my productivity. Free tools such as Gnumeric and Abiword, however, do meet my needs for document display, so I don't need to pump up VMware unless I need to edit. Your needs are likely to be unique to you, and what works well for one person may not for you. But for many people Linux is already ready for serious work. It may need more time learning how to fit within its worldview, but usually rewards with increased reliability and flexibility. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - In a variety of flavors! Actually, my goal is to have a sandwich named after me.
Re: Re. Star Office 6
Hello sheine, I am not sure what qualifies for serious work. I have been using StarOffice 5.2 since it came out for serious and productive work without nearly the amount of lost work as I had previously with any MS office product. It's not perfect but it is more reliable than MS products I have spent years pulling my hair out over. I installed SO6.0 on one of my machines (Debian Potato 2.2.17) and have begun to play a little with it. To do so, after I down loaded the file (something.bin) I had to do a chmod +x so-6.something.bin and then ./so-6.something.bin (sorry I don't remember the full name) and the whole install process started and completed in under five minutes. It all worked fine after that. I suggest that, since this is a beta release, the license states what it does because it is exactly that...beta software. I hope this helps. T. Tilton sheine wrote: Tommi Komulainen wrote: Just a thought, you weren't planning to do anything productive with, or did you? If you did, guess you'd better reconsider: This message caused me to reconsider the several years that I have fooled around with linux. Maybe it is just a computer game, not a serious tool. It doesn't crash like Windows, but no matter how well things are going, a new problem always arises. In the absence of good documentation, the best way to solve a problem is to go to this web site. But a tool is something that works when you need it and doesn't continuously call attention to itself. I suppose that this will offend real linux enthusiasts for whom building linux is the goal. However, for ordinary people like me, what is wanted is a reliable tool at least as good as Windows, without subservience to Microsoft. I shall continue to play the linux game, but regrettably depend on Windows for serious work. Would that it were otherwise. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
