Re: Status of Virtualbox in debian
On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 17:25 +1000, Keith Bainbridge wrote: > On 21/6/22 20:53, Siard wrote: > > I should also note that right now there appear to be problems with the > > latest > > kernel, 5.18.0. The message in the terminal where VB was started from, says: > > "WARNING: The vboxdrv kernel module is not loaded. Either there is no module > > available for the current kernel (5.18.0-1-amd64) or it failed to load." > > Probably a temporary problem. When starting Debian with the previous kernel > > 5.17.0, VB still works. > > You'll need to download and install the closed source > Oracle_VM_VirtualBox_Extension_Pack from their site to get USB3 working. > From memory USB2 will work with the guest-additions-pack; but could be > USB1. The VirtualBox version from www.virtualbox.org offers to download and install/ update the Extension Pack automatically. I also have the Guest Additions, and tried both USB2 and USB3. It does work, just not with Windows7. On the internet, I see more people having problems with W7 and USB in VB. > The USB needs to be mounted in linux for it to be recognised in vbox. My findings are that USB is recognised in vbox, whether it is mounted in linux or not. However, this text advises against it: www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch03.html#settings-usb "Be careful with USB devices that are currently in use on the host. For example, if you allow your guest to connect to your USB hard disk that is currently mounted on the host, when the guest is activated, it will be disconnected from the host without a proper shutdown. This may cause data loss."
Re: Status of Virtualbox in debian
On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 13:28 -0400, Boyan Penkov wrote: > On Tue, Jun 21, 2022, 13:26 Siard wrote: > > On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 07:48 -0400, Boyan Penkov wrote: > > > ... ensuring linux-kernel-headers for 5.18 were installed, and then > > > reinstalling virtualbox and virtualbox-dkms resolved the issue for me. > > > I can confirm this is working on 5.18.0-1-amd64 right now. > > > > Is this in testing? Do you have a debian version of virtualbox (from sid??) > > Yes, vbox from Side. > > > or the version from www.virtualbox.org? And where did you find > > virtualbox-dkms? > > In Sid. Yes, this is a mixed testing/unstable install... OK, I installed virtualbox and virtualbox-dkms from Sid. Indeed, I have it working in testing with 5.18.0-1-amd64 now. In VB, I have Windows XP and Windows 7 installed. In XP, USB can be accessed. In W7, it still says: 'no devices available'. There seems to be a special USB problem with W7, which I have not sorted out yet. Anyway, made considerable progress!
Re: Status of Virtualbox in debian
Le lundi 20 juin 2022 à 14:21 +0200, Anders Andersson a écrit : > I remember when Virtualbox was removed from debian, and I remember > the > reasons. That's why I was surprised when I saw a recent message to > the > list where a user tried to install it. Searching for "virtualbox" > indeed shows me that it is available in stretch-backports and sid: > https://packages.debian.org/virtualbox&exact=1 > > Has something changed that makes virtualbox workable again, or has it > *always* been available in sid? Hello, >From the Virtualbox page on the Debian wiki: https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox [...] "Debian 10 "Buster" and Debian 11 "Bullseye" Packages for VirtualBox are not officially available in stable releases of Debian, due to lack of cooperation from upstream on security support for older releases. See 794466 However, new versions of VirtualBox are made available to stable users on a "rolling" basis by Debian Fast Track, a Debian project. This is currently available for Debian 10 and 11." [...]
Re: Status of Virtualbox in debian
On 21/6/22 20:53, Siard wrote: On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 00:05 +0100, Peter Hillier-Brook wrote: On 20/06/2022 14:55, Siard wrote: On Mon, 20 Jun 2022 14:21 +0200, Anders Andersson wrote: Has something changed that makes virtualbox workable again, I have the Virtualbox 6.1.34 package for Debian 11, downloaded from www.virtualbox.org, working fine in Debian 12 (Bookworm). Have you succeeded in gaining support for USB? I haven't yet got past the and guest Additions stage. Indeed, USB appears not to be working. (Never used it.) I have dkms and dh-dkms installed. The VirtualBox-6.1 deb has been installed and upgraded with 'dpkg -i'. It also puts VBoxGuestAdditions.iso into /usr/share/virtualbox. Then in the guest OS you can choose Devices > Insert Guest Additions CD image... from the menu. More about installing and maintaining the guest additions: www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch04.html#additions-linux I should also note that right now there appear to be problems with the latest kernel, 5.18.0. The message in the terminal where VB was started from, says: "WARNING: The vboxdrv kernel module is not loaded. Either there is no module available for the current kernel (5.18.0-1-amd64) or it failed to load." Probably a temporary problem. When starting Debian with the previous kernel 5.17.0, VB still works. You'll need to download and install the closed source Oracle_VM_VirtualBox_Extension_Pack from their site to get USB3 working. From memory USB2 will work with the guest-additions-pack; but could be USB1. The USB needs to be mounted in linux for it to be recognised in vbox. I only use USB to update my portable apps at my volunteer job. The tech area is run by contracted MSCertified techies. My experience is that they aren't familiar with gmail basics, so I'm not sure they belong in the real world - or is it that they are only allowed to say they know MS stuff. -- All the best Keith Bainbridge keithrbaugro...@gmail.com 0447 667 468
Re: Status of Virtualbox in debian
On Tue, Jun 21, 2022 at 7:32 PM Peter Hillier-Brook wrote: > > On 21/06/2022 12:48, Boyan Penkov wrote: > > > > > > On 6/21/22 07:35, Peter Hillier-Brook wrote: > >> On 21/06/2022 11:53, Siard wrote: > >>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 00:05 +0100, Peter Hillier-Brook wrote: > On 20/06/2022 14:55, Siard wrote: > > On Mon, 20 Jun 2022 14:21 +0200, Anders Andersson wrote: : > >>> www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch04.html#additions-linux > >>> > >>> I should also note that right now there appear to be problems with > >>> the latest > >>> kernel, 5.18.0. The message in the terminal where VB was started > >>> from, says: > >>> "WARNING: The vboxdrv kernel module is not loaded. Either there is no > >>> module > >>> available for the current kernel (5.18.0-1-amd64) or it failed to load." > >>> Probably a temporary problem. When starting Debian with the previous > >>> kernel > >>> 5.17.0, VB still works. > >> > >> Thanks for the quick response. Without correctly functioning guest > >> additions - by which I specifically mean USB - VirtualBox is almost > >> useless for me. I would agree with you that kernel 5.18.0 is the most > >> likely source of the problem and living on in hope is the best option. > > > > Hey folks -- I was OP on the thread that raised the dmks issue; with > > thanks to Keith Bainbridge, ensuring linux-kernel-headers for 5.18 were > > installed, and then reinstalling virtualbox and virtualbox-dkms resolved > > the issue for me. I can confirm this is working on 5.18.0-1-amd64 right > > now. > > The last time I looked at Sid the VirtualBox version was very dated. I > doubt that you have achieved success via VBox 6.1.34? Confirming my observations are on 6.1.34, which is what's in Sid right now. > > Peter HB > -- Boyan Penkov
Re: Status of Virtualbox in debian
On 21/06/2022 12:48, Boyan Penkov wrote: On 6/21/22 07:35, Peter Hillier-Brook wrote: On 21/06/2022 11:53, Siard wrote: On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 00:05 +0100, Peter Hillier-Brook wrote: On 20/06/2022 14:55, Siard wrote: On Mon, 20 Jun 2022 14:21 +0200, Anders Andersson wrote: : www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch04.html#additions-linux I should also note that right now there appear to be problems with the latest kernel, 5.18.0. The message in the terminal where VB was started from, says: "WARNING: The vboxdrv kernel module is not loaded. Either there is no module available for the current kernel (5.18.0-1-amd64) or it failed to load." Probably a temporary problem. When starting Debian with the previous kernel 5.17.0, VB still works. Thanks for the quick response. Without correctly functioning guest additions - by which I specifically mean USB - VirtualBox is almost useless for me. I would agree with you that kernel 5.18.0 is the most likely source of the problem and living on in hope is the best option. Hey folks -- I was OP on the thread that raised the dmks issue; with thanks to Keith Bainbridge, ensuring linux-kernel-headers for 5.18 were installed, and then reinstalling virtualbox and virtualbox-dkms resolved the issue for me. I can confirm this is working on 5.18.0-1-amd64 right now. The last time I looked at Sid the VirtualBox version was very dated. I doubt that you have achieved success via VBox 6.1.34? Peter HB
Re: Status of Virtualbox in debian
On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 13:31:11 +0100 Joe wrote: > >Yes, I was using it a few years ago, and a new Debian kernel made the >guest additions unusable. I forget what I needed them for, but gave up >on VB then. I dare say a later version of the VB additions fixed the >problem, but there was no knowing how long this would take, or whether >this would happen after every kernel upgrade. > Nearly. To be fair though that's usually not Debian specific, the latest patch for our own packages for instance was liberally taken from Arch Linux. The VB folks too are constantly trying to keep up with a moving target as is the kernel and basically every changelog sports a line or two announcing as much. And then these guys are (or have been anyway) cranking out releases like hardly anything that's (mostly) free software after all, maybe apart from Linux itself. In fact I dimly remember FreeBSD at some point giving up on it more or less completely, they were pretty much on their own and hopeless. We're already lucky Linux is just big enough to be supported and somehow worth it, how long, who knows. One probably shouldn't be surprised though if something like this perhaps doesn't always, immediately work OOB on the shiniest, newest kernel releases. If at all possible and stability is the main thing, it's a typical use case for an LTS kernel by the way. Regards, Oliver
Re: Status of Virtualbox in debian
On Tue, Jun 21, 2022, 13:26 Siard wrote: > On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 07:48 -0400, Boyan Penkov wrote: > > ... ensuring linux-kernel-headers for 5.18 were installed, and then > > reinstalling virtualbox and virtualbox-dkms resolved the issue for me. > > I can confirm this is working on 5.18.0-1-amd64 right now. > > Is this in testing? Do you have a debian version of virtualbox (from sid??) > Yes, vbox from Side. or the version from www.virtualbox.org? And where did you find > virtualbox-dkms? > In Sid. Yes, this is a mixed testing/unstable install... > >
Re: Status of Virtualbox in debian
On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 07:48 -0400, Boyan Penkov wrote: > ... ensuring linux-kernel-headers for 5.18 were installed, and then > reinstalling virtualbox and virtualbox-dkms resolved the issue for me. > I can confirm this is working on 5.18.0-1-amd64 right now. Is this in testing? Do you have a debian version of virtualbox (from sid??) or the version from www.virtualbox.org? And where did you find virtualbox-dkms?
Re: Status of Virtualbox in debian
On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 12:35:08 +0100 Peter Hillier-Brook wrote: > On 21/06/2022 11:53, Siard wrote: > > On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 00:05 +0100, Peter Hillier-Brook wrote: > >> On 20/06/2022 14:55, Siard wrote: > >>> On Mon, 20 Jun 2022 14:21 +0200, Anders Andersson wrote: > Has something changed that makes virtualbox workable again, > >>> > >>> I have the Virtualbox 6.1.34 package for Debian 11, downloaded > >>> from www.virtualbox.org, working fine in Debian 12 (Bookworm). > >> > >> Have you succeeded in gaining support for USB? I haven't yet got > >> past the and guest Additions stage. > > > > Indeed, USB appears not to be working. (Never used it.) > > I have dkms and dh-dkms installed. > > The VirtualBox-6.1 deb has been installed and upgraded with 'dpkg > > -i'. It also puts VBoxGuestAdditions.iso into /usr/share/virtualbox. > > Then in the guest OS you can choose Devices > Insert Guest > > Additions CD image... from the menu. > > More about installing and maintaining the guest additions: > > www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch04.html#additions-linux > > > > I should also note that right now there appear to be problems with > > the latest kernel, 5.18.0. The message in the terminal where VB was > > started from, says: "WARNING: The vboxdrv kernel module is not > > loaded. Either there is no module available for the current kernel > > (5.18.0-1-amd64) or it failed to load." Probably a temporary > > problem. When starting Debian with the previous kernel 5.17.0, VB > > still works. > > Thanks for the quick response. Without correctly functioning guest > additions - by which I specifically mean USB - VirtualBox is almost > useless for me. I would agree with you that kernel 5.18.0 is the most > likely source of the problem and living on in hope is the best option. > Yes, I was using it a few years ago, and a new Debian kernel made the guest additions unusable. I forget what I needed them for, but gave up on VB then. I dare say a later version of the VB additions fixed the problem, but there was no knowing how long this would take, or whether this would happen after every kernel upgrade. -- Joe
Re: Status of Virtualbox in debian
On 6/21/22 07:35, Peter Hillier-Brook wrote: On 21/06/2022 11:53, Siard wrote: On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 00:05 +0100, Peter Hillier-Brook wrote: On 20/06/2022 14:55, Siard wrote: On Mon, 20 Jun 2022 14:21 +0200, Anders Andersson wrote: : www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch04.html#additions-linux I should also note that right now there appear to be problems with the latest kernel, 5.18.0. The message in the terminal where VB was started from, says: "WARNING: The vboxdrv kernel module is not loaded. Either there is no module available for the current kernel (5.18.0-1-amd64) or it failed to load." Probably a temporary problem. When starting Debian with the previous kernel 5.17.0, VB still works. Thanks for the quick response. Without correctly functioning guest additions - by which I specifically mean USB - VirtualBox is almost useless for me. I would agree with you that kernel 5.18.0 is the most likely source of the problem and living on in hope is the best option. Hey folks -- I was OP on the thread that raised the dmks issue; with thanks to Keith Bainbridge, ensuring linux-kernel-headers for 5.18 were installed, and then reinstalling virtualbox and virtualbox-dkms resolved the issue for me. I can confirm this is working on 5.18.0-1-amd64 right now. Peter HB
Re: Status of Virtualbox in debian
On 21/06/2022 11:53, Siard wrote: On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 00:05 +0100, Peter Hillier-Brook wrote: On 20/06/2022 14:55, Siard wrote: On Mon, 20 Jun 2022 14:21 +0200, Anders Andersson wrote: Has something changed that makes virtualbox workable again, I have the Virtualbox 6.1.34 package for Debian 11, downloaded from www.virtualbox.org, working fine in Debian 12 (Bookworm). Have you succeeded in gaining support for USB? I haven't yet got past the and guest Additions stage. Indeed, USB appears not to be working. (Never used it.) I have dkms and dh-dkms installed. The VirtualBox-6.1 deb has been installed and upgraded with 'dpkg -i'. It also puts VBoxGuestAdditions.iso into /usr/share/virtualbox. Then in the guest OS you can choose Devices > Insert Guest Additions CD image... from the menu. More about installing and maintaining the guest additions: www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch04.html#additions-linux I should also note that right now there appear to be problems with the latest kernel, 5.18.0. The message in the terminal where VB was started from, says: "WARNING: The vboxdrv kernel module is not loaded. Either there is no module available for the current kernel (5.18.0-1-amd64) or it failed to load." Probably a temporary problem. When starting Debian with the previous kernel 5.17.0, VB still works. Thanks for the quick response. Without correctly functioning guest additions - by which I specifically mean USB - VirtualBox is almost useless for me. I would agree with you that kernel 5.18.0 is the most likely source of the problem and living on in hope is the best option. Peter HB
Re: Status of Virtualbox in debian
On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 00:05 +0100, Peter Hillier-Brook wrote: > On 20/06/2022 14:55, Siard wrote: > > On Mon, 20 Jun 2022 14:21 +0200, Anders Andersson wrote: > > > Has something changed that makes virtualbox workable again, > > > > I have the Virtualbox 6.1.34 package for Debian 11, downloaded from > > www.virtualbox.org, working fine in Debian 12 (Bookworm). > > Have you succeeded in gaining support for USB? I haven't yet got past > the and guest Additions stage. Indeed, USB appears not to be working. (Never used it.) I have dkms and dh-dkms installed. The VirtualBox-6.1 deb has been installed and upgraded with 'dpkg -i'. It also puts VBoxGuestAdditions.iso into /usr/share/virtualbox. Then in the guest OS you can choose Devices > Insert Guest Additions CD image... from the menu. More about installing and maintaining the guest additions: www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch04.html#additions-linux I should also note that right now there appear to be problems with the latest kernel, 5.18.0. The message in the terminal where VB was started from, says: "WARNING: The vboxdrv kernel module is not loaded. Either there is no module available for the current kernel (5.18.0-1-amd64) or it failed to load." Probably a temporary problem. When starting Debian with the previous kernel 5.17.0, VB still works.
Re: Status of Virtualbox in debian
On 20/06/2022 14:55, Siard wrote: On Mon, 20 Jun 2022 14:21 +0200, Anders Andersson wrote: Has something changed that makes virtualbox workable again, I have the Virtualbox 6.1.34 package for Debian 11, downloaded from www.virtualbox.org, working fine in Debian 12 (Bookworm). Have you succeeded in gaining support for USB? I haven't yet got past the and guest Additions stage. Peter HB
Re: Status of Virtualbox in debian
On Mon, 20 Jun 2022 14:21 +0200, Anders Andersson wrote: > Has something changed that makes virtualbox workable again, I have the Virtualbox 6.1.34 package for Debian 11, downloaded from www.virtualbox.org, working fine in Debian 12 (Bookworm).
Re: Status of Virtualbox in debian
On Mon, 20 Jun 2022 14:21:53 +0200 Anders Andersson wrote: Hello Anders, >Has something changed that makes virtualbox workable again, or has it >*always* been available in sid? It's always(1) been available in sid. VB has still got the same issue WRT migrating to testing; Work may still be ongoing, in the background, to overcome the issue. It's academic to me as I don't use VB. That said, I was interested enough to go and have a poke around on the Debian package and bug tracker sites. (1) For certain values of 'always'. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is never immediately apparent" / _)rad "Is it only me that has a working delete key?" To the ends of the earth, you look for sense in it No Time To Be 21 - The Adverts pgppTInq8a0ZJ.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Status of Virtualbox in debian
On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 02:21:53PM +0200, Anders Andersson wrote: > I remember when Virtualbox was removed from debian, and I remember the > reasons. That's why I was surprised when I saw a recent message to the > list where a user tried to install it. Searching for "virtualbox" > indeed shows me that it is available in stretch-backports and sid: > https://packages.debian.org/virtualbox&exact=1 > > Has something changed that makes virtualbox workable again, or has it > *always* been available in sid? > My recollection is that it has always been available in sid. There are two slightly different meanings for "removed from Debian". There is total removal as a result of things like licensing, which results in the package being removed from all Debian distributions (including unstable and experimental). Then there is removal from testing (and therefore stable) as a result of major bugs or inability to provide security support. This is the case with packages like VirtualBox, MySQL (and mostly anything else from Oracle), where upstream refuses to provide information concerning which changes address which security vulnerabilities. That information is necessary for the Debian security team to properly support packages in a stable release. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sánchez
