Re: Switching from NV to Nouveau in Squeeze
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 19:40, Snood wrote: > On 05/12/2010 08:08 AM, Mark Allums wrote: > >> On 5/12/2010 6:49 AM, Snood wrote: >> >> I'm looking forward to seeing if nouveau will be an improvement, >>> performance-wise, without causing reliability issues. >>> >>> I am, however, going to wait and install nouveau the easy way, once the >>> upgrade to xserver-xorg-core becomes available in the repository. If >>> this weren't my main system I might be tempted to experiment, but I just >>> need this thing to keep working. >>> >> >> >> People running non-stable (even squeeze) are going to run into problems >> now and then. It's an unavoidable certainty. nouveau is, well, new. >> There are going to be problems with it. >> > > Of course. But the problems I had with Gnome and Xfce on this system > occurred not only in Squeeze, but also when running an Ubuntu LTS version > and Debian Stable. I only saw those problems when using the restricted / glx > drivers. Never with nv or vesa. I think this is, perhaps, more a measure of > the card itself than the drivers. But I know a number of people with "high > end" graphics cards from nvidia who have reported the same sorts of issues > that I saw. It doesn't really matter much as these particular systems are no > longer used as graphics workstations. As they've aged we stuck Linux on them > and use them as admin workhorses, a job for which they are admirably suited > because of all of the screen real estate. > > > Regarding reliability of video drivers: Running many different things, >> hardware- and driver-wise, over time, I have learned that >> dpkg-reconfigure is your friend, especially >> >> dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.32-5 >> >> which regenerates the initrd.img. (I needed this recently. Substitute >> the package name of your kernel.) Occasionally very helpful, that, when >> troubleshooting drivers. >> > > Yes. In my earlier experiences I would just wipe the drive and start over > when I suspected that hangovers from previous experiments with drivers were > getting in the way of new configurations. But after I became comfortable > with a few different methods of installation and initial configuration I > started paying attention to things like dpkg-reconfigure and debconf-show. > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a > subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org > Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4beab6c8.2070...@comcast.net > > I installed xserver-xorg-core-nouveau (1:0.0.15+git20100329+7858345-3) of squeze. My video card is an inbuilt one. 00:0d.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C61 [GeForce 7025 / nForce 630a] (rev a2) But after switching xorg.conf to use "nouveau", there was error saying that no video device found. Finally I followed. http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/InstallNouveau Compiled both drm and xf86-video-nouveau and replaced both libdrm and /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nouveau_drv.so Now it is working fine.
Re: Switching from NV to Nouveau in Squeeze
On 05/12/2010 08:08 AM, Mark Allums wrote: On 5/12/2010 6:49 AM, Snood wrote: I'm looking forward to seeing if nouveau will be an improvement, performance-wise, without causing reliability issues. I am, however, going to wait and install nouveau the easy way, once the upgrade to xserver-xorg-core becomes available in the repository. If this weren't my main system I might be tempted to experiment, but I just need this thing to keep working. People running non-stable (even squeeze) are going to run into problems now and then. It's an unavoidable certainty. nouveau is, well, new. There are going to be problems with it. Of course. But the problems I had with Gnome and Xfce on this system occurred not only in Squeeze, but also when running an Ubuntu LTS version and Debian Stable. I only saw those problems when using the restricted / glx drivers. Never with nv or vesa. I think this is, perhaps, more a measure of the card itself than the drivers. But I know a number of people with "high end" graphics cards from nvidia who have reported the same sorts of issues that I saw. It doesn't really matter much as these particular systems are no longer used as graphics workstations. As they've aged we stuck Linux on them and use them as admin workhorses, a job for which they are admirably suited because of all of the screen real estate. Regarding reliability of video drivers: Running many different things, hardware- and driver-wise, over time, I have learned that dpkg-reconfigure is your friend, especially dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.32-5 which regenerates the initrd.img. (I needed this recently. Substitute the package name of your kernel.) Occasionally very helpful, that, when troubleshooting drivers. Yes. In my earlier experiences I would just wipe the drive and start over when I suspected that hangovers from previous experiments with drivers were getting in the way of new configurations. But after I became comfortable with a few different methods of installation and initial configuration I started paying attention to things like dpkg-reconfigure and debconf-show. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4beab6c8.2070...@comcast.net
Re: Switching from NV to Nouveau in Squeeze
On 5/12/2010 6:49 AM, Snood wrote: I'm looking forward to seeing if nouveau will be an improvement, performance-wise, without causing reliability issues. I am, however, going to wait and install nouveau the easy way, once the upgrade to xserver-xorg-core becomes available in the repository. If this weren't my main system I might be tempted to experiment, but I just need this thing to keep working. People running non-stable (even squeeze) are going to run into problems now and then. It's an unavoidable certainty. nouveau is, well, new. There are going to be problems with it. Regarding reliability of video drivers: Running many different things, hardware- and driver-wise, over time, I have learned that dpkg-reconfigure is your friend, especially dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.32-5 which regenerates the initrd.img. (I needed this recently. Substitute the package name of your kernel.) Occasionally very helpful, that, when troubleshooting drivers. MAA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4bea9a3a.6090...@allums.com
Re: Switching from NV to Nouveau in Squeeze
On 05/11/2010 09:43 PM, Charles Kroeger wrote: Saw that xserver-xorg-video-nouveau package is now in the main repository. It does not appear to be in Sid or Squeeze as of this afternoon. (EST USA) yes. However, I notice that 'nv' is still in Squeeze-main contrib non-free: xserver-xorg-video-nv 1:2.1.17-2 Sorry. I'm not thinking or communicating well. I'm using the vesa driver on the system, not nv. My brain was tracking back to an earlier experiment in which I was using other repositories. I use only main and security for Squeeze. However, I have been showing xserver-xorg-video-nouveau in Squeeze main for a couple of days. but nv appears to be 'broken' if used in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, on my version of things. Perhaps this is the result of some Debian religious fanatics, but I think it's time to bid adeau to nv, alas it served me well. I installed nouveau: xserver-xorg-video-nouveau 1:0.0.15+git20100329+7858345-3 X.Org X server -- Nouveau display driver (experimental) and placed it, instead, into the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file and lo it brought forth an X session and looked just like nv. But, nv and nouveau are, no pun intended, a bit two dimensional when one still has available the nvidia-glx Xorg driver one should simply use it if one's hardware will comply. Too rich for my blood. By that I mean that nvidia-glx with this Quadro card has caused all sorts of odd breakages and unreliability issues in the DE. I have done enough experimenting with identical configurations of Xfce and Gnome on this system, with the only difference being use of different video drivers (vesa, nv, glx/restricted) under both Ubuntu and Debian to know that it's not my imagination. I'd rather have a reliable system than 3D, so glx is a no go for me. The vesa driver has been absolutely flawless, but quite slow, of course. The slowness has been worth it because absolutely nothing in the user interface has ever been broken since I went to vesa. I don't game, and I've just learned to be patient when switching workspaces. ;) I'm looking forward to seeing if nouveau will be an improvement, performance-wise, without causing reliability issues. I am, however, going to wait and install nouveau the easy way, once the upgrade to xserver-xorg-core becomes available in the repository. If this weren't my main system I might be tempted to experiment, but I just need this thing to keep working. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4bea95b5.2080...@comcast.net
Re: Switching from NV to Nouveau in Squeeze
>Saw that xserver-xorg-video-nouveau package is now in the main >repository. It does not appear to be in Sid or Squeeze as of this afternoon. (EST USA) yes. However, I notice that 'nv' is still in Squeeze-main contrib non-free: xserver-xorg-video-nv 1:2.1.17-2 but nv appears to be 'broken' if used in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, on my version of things. Perhaps this is the result of some Debian religious fanatics, but I think it's time to bid adeau to nv, alas it served me well. I installed nouveau: xserver-xorg-video-nouveau 1:0.0.15+git20100329+7858345-3 X.Org X server -- Nouveau display driver (experimental) and placed it, instead, into the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file and lo it brought forth an X session and looked just like nv. But, nv and nouveau are, no pun intended, a bit two dimensional when one still has available the nvidia-glx Xorg driver one should simply use it if one's hardware will comply. Here's my #dpkg -l | grep nvidia list: (formatted to fit your screen) nvidia-glx 190.53-4 NVIDIA binary Xorg driver nvidia-glx-dev 190.53-4 nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-amd64 190.53-4+2.6.32-12 nvidia-kernel-common 20100216+3+nmu1 nvidia-kernel-source 190.53-4 You must compile the kernel-source package with: # m-a -t clean,a-i nvidia-kernel-source and if you have the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, and I don't see why you shouldn't, then manually write in "nvidia" here: Section "Device" Identifier "Configured Video Device" Driver "nvidia" and there you go. I'm using an Nvidia 9800GT gigabyte graphics card requiring a PCI Express x16 slot. If you have the hardware to use this driver, I would recommend it. -- C Deo Soli Debiane, Invicto, Seculari -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100511214328.4ac28...@mondo
Re: Re: Switching from NV to Nouveau in Squeeze
On 01/-10/-28163 02:59 PM, Kelly Clowers wrote: > I don't have Nvidia myself, but tt should be a matter of installing Nouveau, > and then changing the "Driver" line in /etc/x11/xorg.conf from "nv" to > "Nouveau" > (or adding the line in the "Device" section if it doesn't exist). Good old /etc/X11/xorg.conf. There isn't one on this system. I used to hate fiddling around with that file. The transition to other means of controlling video has been fraught with peril for some, but a few false starts with video configuration on this system under various distributions finally convinced me that the voyage needed to be undertaken. > Cheers, > Kelly Clowers Many thanks for your response. Best, Sam PS: I also sent this message from a different e-mail account. I figured I'd resend it to clear up any question about who was actually responding to the thread. Sorry about the dumbness. Too much swapping of systems and info around this place. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4be9ad52.2060...@comcast.net
Re: Re: Switching from NV to Nouveau in Squeeze
On 01/-10/-28163 02:59 PM, Sven Joachim wrote: On 2010-05-11 17:06 +0200, Snood wrote: Did some research on Nouveau drivers. Was about to download, compile, etc. Saw that xserver-xorg-video-nouveau package is now in the main repository. Does that mean that going through all the machinations is no longer necessary? Yes, that does it mean. Very nice. I love surprises like this. It's why I use Squeeze. If I tell aptitude (ncurses) to install the package it also indicates the need to install libdrm-nouveau1, but there's no sign that it's actually going to switch the system from nv to nouveau. This will happen with the next upload of xserver-xorg-core. Till then, you need a minimal xorg.conf to use nouveau. And a kernel from sid. Very interesting. I guess I'm going to be tempted to await the xserver-xorg-core package upgrade. I have been astonished at how reliable Squeeze has been -- despite the fact that I have unfailingly accepted every single upgrade offered without flinching (main and security repositories only). I'm reluctant to mix unstable and testing bits on my primary system. But I may decide to become brave if the wait is long. I've looked for information, but I must be looking in all the wrong places. All I can find is information about how to install nouveau the "old" way. Can someone point me in the right direction? Consult the README.Debian in the xserver-xorg-video-nouveau package, it hopefully contains all necessary information. Man, am I a dummy! For some reason I forgot that there are README files in these packages. I was looking for man pages and write-ups in the wikis and stuff. Good luck, Sven Many thanks for your extremely helpful post! Best, Sam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4be9ac17.6090...@comcast.net
Re: Re: Switching from NV to Nouveau in Squeeze
On 01/-10/-28163 02:59 PM, Kelly Clowers wrote: I don't have Nvidia myself, but tt should be a matter of installing Nouveau, and then changing the "Driver" line in /etc/x11/xorg.conf from "nv" to "Nouveau" (or adding the line in the "Device" section if it doesn't exist). Good old /etc/X11/xorg.conf. There isn't one on this system. I used to hate fiddling around with that file. The transition to other means of controlling video has been fraught with peril for some, but a few false starts with video configuration on this system under various distributions finally convinced me that the voyage needed to be undertaken. Cheers, Kelly Clowers Many thanks for your response. Best, Sam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4be9a941.7090...@comcast.net
Re: Switching from NV to Nouveau in Squeeze
On 2010-05-11 17:06 +0200, Snood wrote: > Did some research on Nouveau drivers. Was about to download, compile, > etc. Saw that xserver-xorg-video-nouveau package is now in the main > repository. Does that mean that going through all the machinations is > no longer necessary? Yes, that does it mean. > If I tell aptitude (ncurses) to install the package it also indicates > the need to install libdrm-nouveau1, but there's no sign that it's > actually going to switch the system from nv to nouveau. This will happen with the next upload of xserver-xorg-core. Till then, you need a minimal xorg.conf to use nouveau. And a kernel from sid. > I've looked for information, but I must be looking in all the wrong > places. All I can find is information about how to install nouveau the > "old" way. > > Can someone point me in the right direction? Consult the README.Debian in the xserver-xorg-video-nouveau package, it hopefully contains all necessary information. Good luck, Sven -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87sk5yl36u@turtle.gmx.de
Re: Switching from NV to Nouveau in Squeeze
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 08:06, Snood wrote: > Did some research on Nouveau drivers. Was about to download, compile, etc. > Saw that xserver-xorg-video-nouveau package is now in the main repository. > Does that mean that going through all the machinations is no longer > necessary? > > If I tell aptitude (ncurses) to install the package it also indicates the > need to install libdrm-nouveau1, but there's no sign that it's actually > going to switch the system from nv to nouveau. > > I've looked for information, but I must be looking in all the wrong places. > All I can find is information about how to install nouveau the "old" way. > > Can someone point me in the right direction? I don't have Nvidia myself, but tt should be a matter of installing Nouveau, and then changing the "Driver" line in /etc/x11/xorg.conf from "nv" to "Nouveau" (or adding the line in the "Device" section if it doesn't exist). Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktikm5gibxdwxa0frr-o_yow5pg-kwgzbwkov8...@mail.gmail.com
