subject:"Re\: Thanks"

On Mon, 2013-09-02 at 02:02 +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
 http://upmart.org/gedit-menus-example.jpg

That's really odd :(. When using gedit on Xfce (different distros,
including Ubuntu/Debian) it's ok on my machine. I agree there seems to
be some lib(s) missing. Xfce was and for some installs still is the only
DE here too, but I installed a lot of gtk stuff as dependency for other
software. After installing Cinnamon and Mate to one of my installed
Linux distros, the theme used by Xfce changed a little bit.


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Re: Thanks

On Sun, 2013-09-01 at 13:32 -0400, Ralph Katz wrote:
 On 08/31/2013 10:21 PM, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
  Thod Motte tmo...@mail.com writes:
  
  Thanks to debian and Gnome 3 for making my desktop as buggy and unstable 
  as Windows 95 was in 1997 and less
  customizable.
 
  I'm just going to revert to squeeze, that desktop actually worked.
  
  Another vote for xfce.  I switched to it quite a while ago, and have
  been happy since.
  
 
 Add my vote for xfce with lightdm.  It's all I use.
 
 Ralph

I'm using it with lightdm too.



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Re: XFCE4 - gedit - was Re: Thanks

On Mon, 2013-09-02 at 11:43 +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
 Hmm. I think I have seen that kind of thing once, some years ago, but
 not recently. I think it was with a less stable version of LXDE
 (running a Fedora security tools live USB).

I've seen it before too, but don't remember the reason for this, but I
guess it wasn't a broken version of Xfce, just something was missing. I
guess it was s theme or GTK lib.


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Re: Thanks

On Mon, 2013-09-02 at 11:24 -0500, Conrad Nelson wrote:
 What's wrong with MATE?

It could cause conflicts with packages from official repositories.

 Xfce hasn't done anything interesting in years, and I've seen 
 big bugs in Xfce that still need fixing that are even more glaring than 
 most of MATE's.

It's wanted that it doesn't change that much. What are those bugs?

 I like MATE because they've kept the (Excellent.) GNOME 2 desktop alive

No, it's not GNOME2.

 I do think Cinnamon could be loads better, but it's not terrible, either.

Than you don't use a ATI graphics with the FLOSS driver? I suspect you
don't know all important things from GNOME2 and yo never compared GNOME2
and it's forks running top.

 I used to actually be a big KDE user. I still like it but I've found 
 it's gone from being one of the fastest, but still flexible desktop 
 environments around to being one of the absolute slowest.

Again! The OP is used to GNOME2 and the best replacement to GNOME2 is
Xfce.

The OP shouldn't use

 MATE from its

third party

 Debian repository

At the forums they claim gvfs isn't a dependency for the Debian
repository, but they only support it when gvfs is installed. And
packages could conflict with packages from official repositories.


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Re: XFCE4 - gedit - was Re: Thanks

2013-09-03 Thread Frank Lanitz

Am 01.09.2013 08:22, schrieb Joel Rees:
 've been looking at geany, and it looks interesting functionally, but
 I'm not at all sold on it. Don't like lots of tool panes all over.
 It's part of the reason I can't quite bring myself to use either
 netbeans or eclipse regularly.

Most of them can be turned off.

Cheers,
Frank



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Re: Thanks

2013-09-03 Thread Conrad Nelson


On 09/03/2013 03:08 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

On Mon, 2013-09-02 at 11:24 -0500, Conrad Nelson wrote:

What's wrong with MATE?

It could cause conflicts with packages from official repositories.



Could, could, could. So what? I've seen conflicts of the same nature in 
the official repositories. Also, in my entire time using MATE on both 
Arch and Debian, not one of your hypothetical conflicts came up for me. 
Maybe the issue is not in it being a third party repository but in users 
doing something ass-backwards with their package management. Not the 
fault of MATE.



Xfce hasn't done anything interesting in years, and I've seen
big bugs in Xfce that still need fixing that are even more glaring than
most of MATE's.

It's wanted that it doesn't change that much. What are those bugs?


There's not changing that much, then there's being a stale codebase. The 
reason Xfce never found the success GNOME or KDE had was precisely 
because Xfce lacked direction or any sort of motivation to keep itself 
up to date.



I like MATE because they've kept the (Excellent.) GNOME 2 desktop alive

No, it's not GNOME2.


It's a fork of the GNOME 2 codebase. No, officially, it is not GNOME 2. 
But it is a lot closer to GNOME 2 than Xfce ever will be.





I do think Cinnamon could be loads better, but it's not terrible, either.

Than you don't use a ATI graphics with the FLOSS driver? I suspect you
don't know all important things from GNOME2 and yo never compared GNOME2
and it's forks running top.



Nope, I've either been using nvidia's driver with nVidia cards on 
desktops or Intel's driver on laptops. ATI still has too much of a 
reputation for spotty Linux support for me to be confident in investing 
in their GPUs. I won't deny they've improved a lot, but I still see hit 
or miss support.


No, I never compared MATE with GNOME 2 on top. What relevance does this 
have to my point that Cinnamon isn't really as good a GNOME 3 
alternative as MATE?



I used to actually be a big KDE user. I still like it but I've found
it's gone from being one of the fastest, but still flexible desktop
environments around to being one of the absolute slowest.

Again! The OP is used to GNOME2 and the best replacement to GNOME2 is
Xfce.


In your opinion.

Despite the fact that aside from name changes and bug fixes MATE *is* 
GNOME 2, which is what the OP wants.



The OP shouldn't use


MATE from its

third party


So what if the repo is third party? Oh right, because of potential for 
minor problems. All blindly hail and use ONLY Debian's official 
repositories. Never mind that until recently debian itself made for 
TERRIBLE desktops because its repositories left out a lot of stuff most 
desktop users actually WANTED (Full multimedia capabilities among them.).





Debian repository

At the forums they claim gvfs isn't a dependency for the Debian
repository, but they only support it when gvfs is installed. And
packages could conflict with packages from official repositories.


They've pushed to have MATE added to the official repositories, and got 
smug arrogant hostility back. This is not their fault.



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Re: Thanks


On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 19:47:54 +0200, Conrad Nelson y...@marupa.net wrote:


On 09/03/2013 03:08 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

On Mon, 2013-09-02 at 11:24 -0500, Conrad Nelson wrote:

What's wrong with MATE?

It could cause conflicts with packages from official repositories.



Could, could, could. So what? I've seen conflicts of the same nature in  
the official repositories. Also, in my entire time using MATE on both  
Arch and Debian, not one of your hypothetical conflicts came up for me.  
Maybe the issue is not in it being a third party repository but in users  
doing something ass-backwards with their package management. Not the  
fault of MATE.


E.g. file roller from GNOME does conflict with Mate's version. What  
packages from official Debian repositories do conflict? Sure, jack1 does  
conflickt with jack2, for good reasons, so I mean what other package makes  
something really unusable. Such serious issues only appear when using  
third party repositories.



Xfce hasn't done anything interesting in years, and I've seen
big bugs in Xfce that still need fixing that are even more glaring than
most of MATE's.

It's wanted that it doesn't change that much. What are those bugs?


There's not changing that much, then there's being a stale codebase. The  
reason Xfce never found the success GNOME or KDE had was precisely  
because Xfce lacked direction or any sort of motivation to keep itself  
up to date.


And what are the bugs you mentioned?




I like MATE because they've kept the (Excellent.) GNOME 2 desktop alive

No, it's not GNOME2.


It's a fork of the GNOME 2 codebase. No, officially, it is not GNOME 2.  
But it is a lot closer to GNOME 2 than Xfce ever will be.


No untrue, resp. regarding to what is it closer to GNOME 2? To flashy  
crap, but not to the workflow while needing less resources.


I do think Cinnamon could be loads better, but it's not terrible,  
either.

Than you don't use a ATI graphics with the FLOSS driver? I suspect you
don't know all important things from GNOME2 and yo never compared GNOME2
and it's forks running top.



Nope, I've either been using nvidia's driver with nVidia cards on  
desktops or Intel's driver on laptops. ATI still has too much of a  
reputation for spotty Linux support for me to be confident in investing  
in their GPUs. I won't deny they've improved a lot, but I still see hit  
or miss support.


No, I never compared MATE with GNOME 2 on top. What relevance does this  
have to my point that Cinnamon isn't really as good a GNOME 3  
alternative as MATE?


Resources!



I used to actually be a big KDE user. I still like it but I've found
it's gone from being one of the fastest, but still flexible desktop
environments around to being one of the absolute slowest.

Again! The OP is used to GNOME2 and the best replacement to GNOME2 is
Xfce.


In your opinion.

Despite the fact that aside from name changes and bug fixes MATE *is*  
GNOME 2, which is what the OP wants.


Pff!



The OP shouldn't use


MATE from its

third party


So what if the repo is third party? Oh right, because of potential for  
minor problems. All blindly hail and use ONLY Debian's official  
repositories. Never mind that until recently debian itself made for  
TERRIBLE desktops because its repositories left out a lot of stuff most  
desktop users actually WANTED (Full multimedia capabilities among them.).





Debian repository

At the forums they claim gvfs isn't a dependency for the Debian
repository, but they only support it when gvfs is installed. And
packages could conflict with packages from official repositories.


They've pushed to have MATE added to the official repositories, and got  
smug arrogant hostility back. This is not their fault.


It is,  I talked to Mate folks, they are ignorant. I don't know any  
serious Linux distro who include it to the official repositories.


Regards,
Ralf


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Re: Thanks

2013-09-02 Thread Conrad Nelson


On 08/31/2013 06:07 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

On Sat, 2013-08-31 at 07:01 -0400, Thod Motte wrote:

Thanks to debian and Gnome 3 for making my desktop as buggy and
unstable as Windows 95 was in 1997 and less customizable.

I'm just going to revert to squeeze, that desktop actually worked.

Don't! Install Xfce, IMO the best DE that can be used as successor for
GNOME 2. If people should mention Cinnamon and Mate, don't waste your
time with those GNOME forks, if you shouldn't be happy to try out new
things.

Xfce isn't GNOME 2, but it's ok.



What's wrong with MATE?

The problem with Xfce is that they develop and add new features to it 
very, very slowly, that, to modernize it and keep it as usable as more 
frequently updated desktops you have to install a lot of outside 
packages. Xfce hasn't done anything interesting in years, and I've seen 
big bugs in Xfce that still need fixing that are even more glaring than 
most of MATE's.


I like MATE because they've kept the (Excellent.) GNOME 2 desktop alive, 
though they could probably do better in adding new stuff, though that 
will be their plan eventually. Right now they're focused on completely 
branching MATE off of the dead GNOME 2 codebase.


I do think Cinnamon could be loads better, but it's not terrible, either.

I used to actually be a big KDE user. I still like it but I've found 
it's gone from being one of the fastest, but still flexible desktop 
environments around to being one of the absolute slowest.


Anyway... to the OP, I don't know why you'd use Debian Stable on a 
desktop system. Also, it's not the Debian developers' fault that GNOME 3 
is a minefield of terrible ideas, changes for changes sake, tabletitis, 
and failure to listen to users (Gee, sounds almost like Windows 8, 
doesn't it?). That's on the GNOME developers. The Debian developers are 
not the GNOME developers. The only thing I fault the Debian developers 
for is sticking with GNOME as their official desktop when it was pretty 
well-known by then what a pile of crap it became.


My recommendation is not to fall back to Squeeze but to actually use 
Debian Testing (Which is better for desktops, Stable is better used on 
servers.) and use some other desktop: Xfce (Despite it's 
slow-as-molasses development cycle.) , MATE from its Debian repository, 
LXDE, even KDE. Just... run away. Run far, far away from GNOME 3.



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Re: Thanks

2013-09-02 Thread Lisi Reisz

On Monday 02 September 2013 17:24:56 Conrad Nelson wrote:
 I used to actually be a big KDE user. I still like it but I've found
 it's gone from being one of the fastest, but still flexible desktop
 environments around to being one of the absolute slowest.

The fast, flexible environment is still alive in the Trinity Desktop 
Environment fork, www.trinitydesktop.org .  It was originally called 
Trinity-KDE, but KDE objected.

It has continued to be developed and has reached 3.5.13.2, with 14 about to be 
released.  (KDE 3 ended at 3.5.10.)

Lisi


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Re: Thanks

2013-09-02 Thread Jeff


Lisi Reisz wrote:

On Monday 02 September 2013 17:24:56 Conrad Nelson wrote:

I used to actually be a big KDE user. I still like it but I've found
it's gone from being one of the fastest, but still flexible desktop
environments around to being one of the absolute slowest.

The fast, flexible environment is still alive in the Trinity Desktop
Environment fork, www.trinitydesktop.org .  It was originally called
Trinity-KDE, but KDE objected.

It has continued to be developed and has reached 3.5.13.2, with 14 about to be
released.  (KDE 3 ended at 3.5.10.)

Lisi



Gnome 3 Classic is a good substitute for Gnome 2.

Jeff


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Re: Thanks

2013-09-02 Thread Conrad Nelson


On 09/02/2013 03:38 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:

On Monday 02 September 2013 17:24:56 Conrad Nelson wrote:

I used to actually be a big KDE user. I still like it but I've found
it's gone from being one of the fastest, but still flexible desktop
environments around to being one of the absolute slowest.

The fast, flexible environment is still alive in the Trinity Desktop
Environment fork, www.trinitydesktop.org .  It was originally called
Trinity-KDE, but KDE objected.

It has continued to be developed and has reached 3.5.13.2, with 14 about to be
released.  (KDE 3 ended at 3.5.10.)

Lisi



Alas, Trinity's Debian repo does not appear to work for Jessie.


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Re: XFCE4 - gedit - was Re: Thanks

2013-09-01 Thread Ralf Mardorf

On Sun, 2013-09-01 at 12:54 +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
 But gnome apps aren't configuring properly; in particular, in the menu
 bar of gedit (and I've seen it elsewhere I think), all the menus are
 jammed up against each other - no nice spacing between them. Anyone
 know what I ought to install to make these gnome menus work properly
 with XFCE4 ?

Could you please post a link to a screenshot? I experience Xfce doing a
better job for GTK + Qt apps than GNOME did and Mate does. For GNOME and
Mate Qt apps were/are an issue. Perhaps the space between the menus is
less wide, than it is using GNOME and I'm simply used to it, but at
least there is a little bit space between the drop down menu titles in
the menu bar of GNOME apps, such as gedit and evolution.



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Re: Thanks

2013-09-01 Thread Ralf Mardorf

There are a lot of other good (and also lots of bad) DEs, but Xfce4 is
the DE that is most similar to GNOME2 + stable + in official
repositories of Debian and many other distros. I suspect the OP wants
GNOME2, so recommending KDE (a good DE) or recommending Fluxbox and LXDE
(good DEs too) isn't good. To recommend something unstable as
Enlightenment or something that comes with similar issues as GNOME 3,
e.g. Cinnamon or something that isn't in official repositories from
Debian and most other distros, e.g. Mate isn't good too. IMO the OP
should test Xfce4. Just to name each DE we know and like isn't a help
for the OP.

2 Cents,
Ralf


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Re: XFCE4 - gedit - was Re: Thanks

2013-09-01 Thread Joel Rees

On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote:
On 9/1/13, Joe Pfeiffer pfeif...@cs.nmsu.edu wrote:
I'm just going to revert to squeeze, that desktop actually worked.

Another vote for xfce. I switched to it quite a while ago, and have
been happy since.

I find it adequate; ~8months now; I am however reasonable with the command
line.

I don't like mousepad editor however, and I don't gedit. So I installed gedit.

I think, but I am not sure, that mousepad is in there because it is
small and doesn't have a lot of dependencies. So it fits small
footprint installs.

Can't imagine any other reason for including it.

Odd. I haven't seen that with gedit, neither in English nor Japanese sessions.

Default fonts issue maybe?

I've been looking at geany, and it looks interesting functionally, but
I'm not at all sold on it. Don't like lots of tool panes all over.
It's part of the reason I can't quite bring myself to use either
netbeans or eclipse regularly.

gedit works well enough for me, even though I pretty much keep gnome
off my system.

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Re: XFCE4 - gedit - was Re: Thanks

2013-09-01 Thread Joe

On Sun, 1 Sep 2013 12:54:07 +1000
Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote:

 On 9/1/13, Joe Pfeiffer pfeif...@cs.nmsu.edu wrote:
  I'm just going to revert to squeeze, that desktop actually worked.
 
  Another vote for xfce.  I switched to it quite a while ago, and have
  been happy since.
 
 I find it adequate; ~8months now; I am however reasonable with the
 command line.
 
 I don't like mousepad editor however, and I don't gedit. So I
 installed gedit.
 
 But gnome apps aren't configuring properly; in particular, in the menu
 bar of gedit (and I've seen it elsewhere I think), all the menus are
 jammed up against each other - no nice spacing between them. Anyone
 know what I ought to install to make these gnome menus work properly
 with XFCE4 ?
 
 

I have gedit working fine on Xfce on sid, but I switched from Gnome at
the time of 3, and haven't quite dared to purge everything with 'gnome'
in the name, so there may be something else involved.

-- 
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Re: Thanks

2013-09-01 Thread Weaver


On Sat, August 31, 2013 11:19 pm, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 There are a lot of other good (and also lots of bad) DEs, but Xfce4 is
 the DE that is most similar to GNOME2 + stable + in official
 repositories of Debian and many other distros. I suspect the OP wants
 GNOME2, so recommending KDE (a good DE) or recommending Fluxbox and LXDE
 (good DEs too) isn't good. To recommend something unstable as
 Enlightenment or something that comes with similar issues as GNOME 3,
 e.g. Cinnamon or something that isn't in official repositories from
 Debian and most other distros, e.g. Mate isn't good too. IMO the OP
 should test Xfce4. Just to name each DE we know and like isn't a help
 for the OP.

Actually, Ralf, I've been using Enlightenment for a good year now and find
it as solid as a rock.

Vastly improved, in that regard, from the old days of all the 'burnished
metal finishes and etc.
Kind regards,

Weaver.

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Re: Thanks

2013-09-01 Thread Ralf Mardorf

On Sun, 2013-09-01 at 02:15 -0700, Weaver wrote:
 On Sat, August 31, 2013 11:19 pm, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
  There are a lot of other good (and also lots of bad) DEs, but Xfce4 is
  the DE that is most similar to GNOME2 + stable + in official
  repositories of Debian and many other distros. I suspect the OP wants
  GNOME2, so recommending KDE (a good DE) or recommending Fluxbox and LXDE
  (good DEs too) isn't good. To recommend something unstable as
  Enlightenment or something that comes with similar issues as GNOME 3,
  e.g. Cinnamon or something that isn't in official repositories from
  Debian and most other distros, e.g. Mate isn't good too. IMO the OP
  should test Xfce4. Just to name each DE we know and like isn't a help
  for the OP.
 
 Actually, Ralf, I've been using Enlightenment for a good year now and find
 it as solid as a rock.
 
 Vastly improved, in that regard, from the old days of all the 'burnished
 metal finishes and etc.

My apologize Weaver,

indeed it might be more than a year ago, that I tested it the last time.
So ok, it now is stable. In the old days it wasn't that close to GNOME 2
as Xfce is, I still suspect that Xfce is the best recommendation as a
replacement for GNOME. I might be mistaken with this too ;).

Regards,
Ralf


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Re: XFCE4 - gedit - was Re: Thanks

2013-09-01 Thread Jape Person

On 09/01/2013 02:22 AM, Joel Rees wrote:
...
 
 I've been looking at geany, and it looks interesting functionally, but
 I'm not at all sold on it. Don't like lots of tool panes all over.
 It's part of the reason I can't quite bring myself to use either
 netbeans or eclipse regularly.
 
...

As an aside, thought I'd mention that geany's interface is very highly
configurable. It's easy enough through the Preferences dialog to eliminate side
panes, bottom panes, etc. -- or to relocate them. You can make this editor's
interface as simple as mousepad's.

JP


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Re: XFCE4 - gedit - was Re: Thanks

2013-09-01 Thread Zenaan Harkness

On 9/1/13, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
 On Sun, 2013-09-01 at 12:54 +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
 But gnome apps aren't configuring properly; in particular, in the menu
 bar of gedit (and I've seen it elsewhere I think), all the menus are
 jammed up against each other - no nice spacing between them. Anyone
 know what I ought to install to make these gnome menus work properly
 with XFCE4 ?

 Could you please post a link to a screenshot? I experience Xfce doing a

http://upmart.org/gedit-menus-example.jpg
It's about 1.9KiB, just a cropped image of the menus and top part of toolbar.

 better job for GTK + Qt apps than GNOME did and Mate does. For GNOME and
 Mate Qt apps were/are an issue. Perhaps the space between the menus is
 less wide, than it is using GNOME and I'm simply used to it, but at
 least there is a little bit space between the drop down menu titles in
 the menu bar of GNOME apps, such as gedit and evolution.

I only ever installed xfce, not gnome. Manually installed gedit. I'm
guessing there's some libs to isntall...

TIA
Zenaan


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Re: Thanks

2013-09-01 Thread Ralph Katz

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On 08/31/2013 10:21 PM, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
 Thod Motte tmo...@mail.com writes:
 
 Thanks to debian and Gnome 3 for making my desktop as buggy and unstable as 
 Windows 95 was in 1997 and less
 customizable.

 I'm just going to revert to squeeze, that desktop actually worked.
 
 Another vote for xfce.  I switched to it quite a while ago, and have
 been happy since.
 

Add my vote for xfce with lightdm.  It's all I use.

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Re: XFCE4 - gedit - was Re: Thanks

2013-09-01 Thread Joel Rees

On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 1:02 AM, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote:
On 9/1/13, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
On Sun, 2013-09-01 at 12:54 +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
But gnome apps aren't configuring properly; in particular, in the menu
bar of gedit (and I've seen it elsewhere I think), all the menus are
jammed up against each other - no nice spacing between them. Anyone
know what I ought to install to make these gnome menus work properly
with XFCE4 ?

Could you please post a link to a screenshot? I experience Xfce doing a

http://upmart.org/gedit-menus-example.jpg
It's about 1.9KiB, just a cropped image of the menus and top part of toolbar.

Hmm. I think I have seen that kind of thing once, some years ago, but
not recently. I think it was with a less stable version of LXDE
(running a Fedora security tools live USB).

better job for GTK + Qt apps than GNOME did and Mate does. For GNOME and
Mate Qt apps were/are an issue. Perhaps the space between the menus is
less wide, than it is using GNOME and I'm simply used to it, but at
least there is a little bit space between the drop down menu titles in
the menu bar of GNOME apps, such as gedit and evolution.

I only ever installed xfce, not gnome. Manually installed gedit. I'm
guessing there's some libs to isntall...

TIA
Zenaan

Manually, as in ...?

Downloading from https://projects.gnome.org/gedit/ and unpacking and
installing, or even compiling and installing the source?

Doing something similar with the .deb packages?

Or as in using apt-get install or synaptic, or what, exactly?

apt-get and synaptic should pull in the dependencies unless you tell
it not to. If you told it not to install some of the dependencies, you
might try doing a re-install.

The dependencies for gedit made me wince a bit the first time I pulled
it into a relatively pristine XFCE, but when you start pulling in GUI
tools, you'll find that a lot of them depend on the gnome libraries.
But you're not pulling in the entire desktop, by any means.

Synaptic is pretty convenient about that. When you select for install,
it will tell you which dependencies it's also pulling in, and then
when you tell it to go ahead, it will show the sizes. My memory is
that straight apt-get gives you the information and the chance to back
out, as well.

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Re: XFCE4 - gedit - was Re: Thanks

2013-09-01 Thread Zenaan Harkness

On 9/2/13, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 1:02 AM, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote:
 On 9/1/13, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
 On Sun, 2013-09-01 at 12:54 +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:

 better job for GTK + Qt apps than GNOME did and Mate does. For GNOME and
 Mate Qt apps were/are an issue. Perhaps the space between the menus is
 less wide, than it is using GNOME and I'm simply used to it, but at
 least there is a little bit space between the drop down menu titles in
 the menu bar of GNOME apps, such as gedit and evolution.

 I only ever installed xfce, not gnome. Manually installed gedit. I'm
 guessing there's some libs to isntall...

 Manually, as in ...?

:) Thanks, even apt and aptitude have differences which can be relevant.

 Or as in using apt-get install or synaptic, or what, exactly?

apt-get install gedit

 apt-get and synaptic should pull in the dependencies unless you tell
 it not to. If you told it not to install some of the dependencies, you
 might try doing a re-install.

just ran apt-get purge gedit , apt-get install gedit
same problem


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Re: XFCE4 - gedit - was Re: Thanks

2013-09-01 Thread Joel Rees

On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote:
On 9/2/13, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 1:02 AM, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote:
On 9/1/13, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
On Sun, 2013-09-01 at 12:54 +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:

I only ever installed xfce, not gnome. Manually installed gedit. I'm
guessing there's some libs to isntall...

Manually, as in ...?

:) Thanks, even apt and aptitude have differences which can be relevant.

Or as in using apt-get install or synaptic, or what, exactly?

apt-get install gedit

apt-get and synaptic should pull in the dependencies unless you tell
it not to. If you told it not to install some of the dependencies, you
might try doing a re-install.

just ran apt-get purge gedit , apt-get install gedit
same problem

Well, it might be worth playing playing with the appearance settings
-- edit menu, settings or preferences. (I forget which in English.)
Try changing the font while you're at it.

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Re: Thanks

2013-08-31 Thread Ralf Mardorf

On Sat, 2013-08-31 at 07:01 -0400, Thod Motte wrote:
 Thanks to debian and Gnome 3 for making my desktop as buggy and
 unstable as Windows 95 was in 1997 and less customizable.
 
 I'm just going to revert to squeeze, that desktop actually worked.

Don't! Install Xfce, IMO the best DE that can be used as successor for
GNOME 2. If people should mention Cinnamon and Mate, don't waste your
time with those GNOME forks, if you shouldn't be happy to try out new
things.

Xfce isn't GNOME 2, but it's ok.


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Re: Thanks

2013-08-31 Thread Hans-J. Ullrich


 Xfce isn't GNOME 2, but it's ok.

Yeah! XFCE is great. Tried it, too, on my netbook. It is fast and well usable.
I also was very pleased with LXDE, which is also very lightweight and highly 
usable. In fact, I still could not find a decision, which one is better or 
faster. So I did the bst thing - use both!

Best regards

Hans


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Re: Thanks

2013-08-31 Thread Sharon Kimble

On Sat, 31 Aug 2013 07:01:42 -0400
Thod Motte tmo...@mail.com wrote:

 Thanks to debian and Gnome 3 for making my desktop as buggy and
 unstable as Windows 95 was in 1997 and less customizable.
 
 I'm just going to revert to squeeze, that desktop actually worked.

Instead of shooting the upgrade, how about using a different desktop
environment, like LXDE, XFCE, fluxbox, and several others? That way you
can still keep the goodness of wheezy but its still usable. But the
choice is yours.

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Re: Thanks

2013-08-31 Thread Joe Pfeiffer

Thod Motte tmo...@mail.com writes:

 Thanks to debian and Gnome 3 for making my desktop as buggy and unstable as 
 Windows 95 was in 1997 and less
 customizable.

 I'm just going to revert to squeeze, that desktop actually worked.

Another vote for xfce.  I switched to it quite a while ago, and have
been happy since.


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XFCE4 - gedit - was Re: Thanks

2013-08-31 Thread Zenaan Harkness

On 9/1/13, Joe Pfeiffer pfeif...@cs.nmsu.edu wrote:
 I'm just going to revert to squeeze, that desktop actually worked.

 Another vote for xfce.  I switched to it quite a while ago, and have
 been happy since.

I find it adequate; ~8months now; I am however reasonable with the command line.

I don't like mousepad editor however, and I don't gedit. So I installed gedit.

But gnome apps aren't configuring properly; in particular, in the menu
bar of gedit (and I've seen it elsewhere I think), all the menus are
jammed up against each other - no nice spacing between them. Anyone
know what I ought to install to make these gnome menus work properly
with XFCE4 ?


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Re: Thanks

2013-08-31 Thread taz man

 - Original Message -
 From: Joe Pfeiffer
 Sent: 09/01/13 02:21 AM
 To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
 Subject: Re: Thanks

 Thod Motte tmo...@mail.com writes:

  Thanks to debian and Gnome 3 for making my desktop as buggy and unstable as 
  Windows 95 was in 1997 and less
  customizable.

  I'm just going to revert to squeeze, that desktop actually worked.

 Another vote for xfce. I switched to it quite a while ago, and have
 been happy since.

I use openbox as a standalone WM without any DE, 
and I'm happy with Wheezy.
or, really, the only trouble I've had with Wheezy has been on web/mail servers
(had to about completely reconfigure postfix and dovecot and stuff),
but not on the desktop.

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Re: Thanks

2013-08-31 Thread Weaver

On Sat, August 31, 2013 8:14 pm, taz man wrote:
 - Original Message -
 From: Joe Pfeiffer
 Sent: 09/01/13 02:21 AM
 To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
 Subject: Re: Thanks

 Thod Motte tmo...@mail.com writes:

  Thanks to debian and Gnome 3 for making my desktop as buggy and
 unstable as Windows 95 was in 1997 and less
  customizable.

  I'm just going to revert to squeeze, that desktop actually worked.

 Another vote for xfce. I switched to it quite a while ago, and have
 been happy since.

 I use openbox as a standalone WM without any DE,
 and I'm happy with Wheezy.
 or, really, the only trouble I've had with Wheezy has been on web/mail
 servers
 (had to about completely reconfigure postfix and dovecot and stuff),
 but not on the desktop.

I used to be a Gnome fan, well before the days of Gnome3, but found a
combination of KDE, Gnome and Xfce apps worked better and was more
customisable to what I required with another Desktop Environment -
generally, Xfce, but found Fluxbox also quite workable.

These days I find KDE much improved beyond the endless segfaults it used
to suffer from and I also run Enlightenment as a second choice to give
myself a break every now and again, but all this with unstable.

Nothing wrong with Debian.
Kind regards,

Weaver

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Re: Thanks to All

2013-05-01 Thread Anthony Campbell

On 01 May 2013, Chris Bannister wrote:
 On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 06:14:00PM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
  On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 09:19:36 -0500 Hugo Vanwoerkom
  hvw59...@care2.com wrote:
  
  Hello Hugo,
  
  mine neither
  
  Are you saying that you don't take into consideration a company's or
  developer's morality (insofar as it's possible to know their moral
  stance) when choosing a product/app/whatever?
 
 I think the point is that it has nothing to do with age.
 
Probably not. As I shall be 80 this month, I thought it was time to
start experimenting with FreeBSD. Clearly a technical challenge; as for
morality, I think FreeBSD, like Debian, scores pretty well for that.

AC`kkk

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Re: Thanks to All

2013-05-01 Thread staticsafe

On 5/1/2013 3:27, Anthony Campbell wrote:
 On 01 May 2013, Chris Bannister wrote:
 On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 06:14:00PM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
 On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 09:19:36 -0500 Hugo Vanwoerkom
 hvw59...@care2.com wrote:

 Hello Hugo,

 mine neither

 Are you saying that you don't take into consideration a company's or
 developer's morality (insofar as it's possible to know their moral
 stance) when choosing a product/app/whatever?

 I think the point is that it has nothing to do with age.

 Probably not. As I shall be 80 this month, I thought it was time to
 start experimenting with FreeBSD. Clearly a technical challenge; as for
 morality, I think FreeBSD, like Debian, scores pretty well for that.
 
 AC`kkk
 

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Re: Thanks to All

2013-05-01 Thread Brad Rogers

On Wed, 1 May 2013 09:40:28 +1200
Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote:

Hello Chris,

I think the point is that it has nothing to do with age.

Ah, I see.

Obviously, I'm not as wise as I am old.   :-)

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Re: Thanks to All

2013-05-01 Thread Anthony Campbell

On 01 May 2013, staticsafe wrote:
 On 5/1/2013 3:27, Anthony Campbell wrote:
  
 
 If you need any help, feel free to subscribe to freebsd-questions[0].
 
 [0] - http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
 

Yes, thanks - already done that. I'm enjoying my exploration of FreeBSD.

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Re: Thanks to All (Was: MUA Yahoo)

2013-04-30 Thread Brad Rogers

On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 23:36:53 +0200
Siard shiems...@kpnplanet.nl wrote:

Hello Siard,

AFAIK, in general, the older one gets, the less important technical
aspects become w.r.t. the choices one makes, and the more important
the extent gets to which one can identify himself with the makers/
manufacturers/developers.

Whilst I agree that the manufacturer's/developer's (etc.) philosophy
starts to get more important as one gets older (I'm 52 myself), if the
technical aspects don't fit my requirements the project would still be a
non starter.  For me.

Like I said;  Each to their own.

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Re: Thanks to All (Was: MUA Yahoo)

2013-04-30 Thread Brad Rogers

On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 16:47:01 -0700
Patrick Bartek bartek...@yahoo.com wrote:

Hello Patrick,

I installed Claws-Mail and only the Fancy plugin.  It works, sort
of:  Format HTML correctly, but doesn't show images.  Config problem?
Don't know.  Yet.

Yes.  Even if the Load images option is set to yes, there are times
when they still won't get displayed unless you also set enable remote
content.  If you don't want to do that on a permanent basis (via the
Fancy plugin configuration menu item), it can be done on a per mail
basis by clicking on the tools icon at the bottom of the display area
and selecting enable remote content there.

Sylpheed only has one plugin.  And it wasn't what I needed.  CM plugin
don't show up in Sylpheed, but I haven't really tried finding out why
or even if they are compatible.

Since the divergence (some years ago now), I have no idea whether the
plugin i/f's are compatible.

Gotta finish reading the f'ing manuals first. ;-)

Manuals?  We don't need no stinkin' manuals!   :-)

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Re: Thanks to All

2013-04-30 Thread Siard

John Hasler writes:
 Siard writes:
  AFAIK, in general, the older one gets, the less important technical
  aspects become w.r.t. the choices one makes, and the more important
  the extent gets to which one can identify himself with the makers/
  manufacturers/developers.
 
 That has not been my experience.

Some people mature very slowly... :-))  Perhaps it's yet to come ;-)

I used SuSE for a long time. But when its owner, Novell, went to
collaborate with a company that is not known for its noble intentions,
I could not live with that and switched to Debian.  That is a clear
example of a non-technical criterion.


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Re: Thanks to All

2013-04-30 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom


John Hasler wrote:

Siard writes:

AFAIK, in general, the older one gets, the less important technical
aspects become w.r.t. the choices one makes, and the more important
the extent gets to which one can identify himself with the makers/
manufacturers/developers.


That has not been my experience.


mine neither

hugo


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Re: Thanks to All

2013-04-30 Thread Brad Rogers

On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 09:19:36 -0500
Hugo Vanwoerkom hvw59...@care2.com wrote:

Hello Hugo,

mine neither

Are you saying that you don't take into consideration a company's or
developer's morality (insofar as it's possible to know their moral
stance) when choosing a product/app/whatever?

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Re: Thanks to All

2013-04-30 Thread Chris Bannister

On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 06:14:00PM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
 On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 09:19:36 -0500
 Hugo Vanwoerkom hvw59...@care2.com wrote:
 
 Hello Hugo,
 
 mine neither
 
 Are you saying that you don't take into consideration a company's or
 developer's morality (insofar as it's possible to know their moral
 stance) when choosing a product/app/whatever?

I think the point is that it has nothing to do with age.

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Re: Thanks to All (Was: MUA Yahoo)

Patrick Bartek wrote:
 google-chrome '%s' works.  Don't forget the hyphen.
 
 I just wish it could open in Sylpheed's reader window itself, instead
 of me having to switch to a different workspace where google-chrome is
 running all the time.

Instead of google-chrome, you could try midori, and close it after viewing.
It's a fast, light-weight browser that I find well suited for this purpose.


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Re: Thanks to All (Was: MUA Yahoo)

Lisi Reisz:
 Siard:
  Check whether you can open chrome + url from the command line like
  this: $ chrome www.google.com
  If this works, then  chrome '%s'  should work with the 'Open' menu
  option mentioned above.
 
 I type google-chrome (without the  and ) in the launcher to get
 Crome opened.

Yes, as you can see, I don't have Chrome installed myself...  ;-)


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Re: Thanks to All (Was: MUA Yahoo)

2013-04-29 Thread Darac Marjal

On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 06:41:31PM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
 On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 19:36:06 +0200, Siard shiems...@kpnplanet.nl
 wrote:
 
[cut]
 
 google-chrome '%s' works.  Don't forget the hyphen.
 
 I just wish it could open in Sylpheed's reader window itself, instead
 of me having to switch to a different workspace where google-chrome is
 running all the time.  Would Thunderbird or similar do that?  I've
 never used it, so I don't know.

You might try switching to Claws-Mail, then. It's a fork of Sylpheed
which offers extra features, one of which is the Fancy plugin. Enable
that and you can view HTML messages directly in the viewer pane.



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Re: Thanks to All (Was: MUA Yahoo)

On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 11:45:46 +0100
Darac Marjal mailingl...@darac.org.uk wrote:

 On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 06:41:31PM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
  On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 19:36:06 +0200, Siard shiems...@kpnplanet.nl
  wrote:
  
 [cut]
  
  google-chrome '%s' works.  Don't forget the hyphen.
  
  I just wish it could open in Sylpheed's reader window itself,
  instead of me having to switch to a different workspace where
  google-chrome is running all the time.  Would Thunderbird or
  similar do that?  I've never used it, so I don't know.
 
 You might try switching to Claws-Mail, then. It's a fork of Sylpheed
 which offers extra features, one of which is the Fancy plugin.
 Enable that and you can view HTML messages directly in the viewer
 pane.

Sylpheed accepts plugins, too.  To what extent I don't know.
Haven't gotten that far in the manual.  Since Claws is a fork, maybe,
they are similar.

B


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Re: Thanks to All (Was: MUA Yahoo)

On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 23:41:50 -0400
Frank McCormick debianl...@videotron.ca wrote:

 On 04/28/2013 09:41 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:

  [snip]
  I just wish it could open in Sylpheed's reader window itself,
  instead of me having to switch to a different workspace where
  google-chrome is running all the time.  Would Thunderbird or
  similar do that?  I've never used it, so I don't know.
 
 
That's one of the main reasons I switched from Sylpheed to 
 Thunderbird. It's handling of html is built-in. A second reason was I 
 found Sylpheed's IMAP-handling a little flakey. YMMV.

Flakey in what way?  So far, I haven't noted anything unusual with
Sylpheed.

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Re: Thanks to All (Was: MUA Yahoo)

2013-04-29 Thread Brad Rogers

On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 07:07:01 -0700
Patrick Bartek bartek...@yahoo.com wrote:

Hello Patrick,

Sylpheed accepts plugins, too.  To what extent I don't know.
Haven't gotten that far in the manual.  Since Claws is a fork, maybe,
they are similar.

Look 'n' feel is similar, but one of the reasons for the split was the
ever increasing difficulty of merging Claws code into a new release of
the Sylpheed original.  It shouldn't be difficult to migrate.

From what I see at their respective web sites, CM has more plugins
available for it that Sylpheed has.

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Re: Thanks to All (Was: MUA Yahoo)

2013-04-29 Thread Frank McCormick


On 04/29/2013 10:10 AM, Patrick Bartek wrote:

On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 23:41:50 -0400
Frank McCormick debianl...@videotron.ca wrote:


On 04/28/2013 09:41 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:



[snip]
I just wish it could open in Sylpheed's reader window itself,
instead of me having to switch to a different workspace where
google-chrome is running all the time.  Would Thunderbird or
similar do that?  I've never used it, so I don't know.



That's one of the main reasons I switched from Sylpheed to
Thunderbird. It's handling of html is built-in. A second reason was I
found Sylpheed's IMAP-handling a little flakey. YMMV.


Flakey in what way?  So far, I haven't noted anything unusual with
Sylpheed.


   As I recall (it's been a year or two since I switched) Sylpheed was 
timing out on one or two IMAP connections...waiting for the 60 sec 
timeout, then rebuilding the IMAP connection, at which point everything 
would be fine...until the next time when it would timeout again..etc 
etc. I spent a lot of time configuring and reconfiguring, Googline the 
problem etc. Thundebird never seems to have the problem.


  As far as plugins, CLAWS is the definite winner. Sylpheed has very 
few (if any).


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Re: Thanks to All (Was: MUA Yahoo)

Brad Rogers:
 Patrick Bartek:
  Sylpheed accepts plugins, too.  To what extent I don't know.
  Haven't gotten that far in the manual.  Since Claws is a fork,
  maybe, they are similar.
 
 Look 'n' feel is similar, but one of the reasons for the split was the
 ever increasing difficulty of merging Claws code into a new release of
 the Sylpheed original.  It shouldn't be difficult to migrate.
 
 From what I see at their respective web sites, CM has more plugins
 available for it that Sylpheed has.

Using Sylpheed, I once tried Claws.  For messages marked with a color
in Sylpheed, the colors got lost.  It had a couple of extra bells and
whistles I didn't need and that I found just irritating.  But that
horrible logo just about put the lid on it.  It was a picture of a
bird's claw.  Then I realized: I'm not of their kind.  Back to Sylpheed!


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Re: Thanks to All (Was: MUA Yahoo)

2013-04-29 Thread Brad Rogers

On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 19:41:17 +0200
Siard shiems...@kpnplanet.nl wrote:

Hello Siard,

Using Sylpheed, I once tried Claws.  For messages marked with a color
in Sylpheed, the colors got lost.  It had a couple of extra bells and

IDK why that happened.  I never used colouring in Sylpheed, so can't
even hazard guess for the reason.

whistles I didn't need and that I found just irritating.  But that
horrible logo just about put the lid on it.  It was a picture of a
bird's claw.  Then I realized: I'm not of their kind.  Back to Sylpheed!

Each to their own, of course.  I don't care about logos, etc.  If the
program does what I want, then it's fine by me.

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Re: Thanks to All (Was: MUA Yahoo)

Brad Rogers:
 Siard:
  But that horrible logo just about put the lid on it.  It was a
  picture of a bird's claw.  Then I realized: I'm not of their kind.
  Back to Sylpheed!
 
 Each to their own, of course.  I don't care about logos, etc.  If the
 program does what I want, then it's fine by me.

AFAIK, in general, the older one gets, the less important technical
aspects become w.r.t. the choices one makes, and the more important
the extent gets to which one can identify himself with the makers/
manufacturers/developers.

- Siard (male, 62)


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Re: Thanks to All

2013-04-29 Thread John Hasler

Siard writes:
 AFAIK, in general, the older one gets, the less important technical
 aspects become w.r.t. the choices one makes, and the more important
 the extent gets to which one can identify himself with the makers/
 manufacturers/developers.

That has not been my experience.
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Re: Thanks to All (Was: MUA Yahoo)

On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 15:21:54 +0100
Brad Rogers b...@fineby.me.uk wrote:

 On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 07:07:01 -0700
 Patrick Bartek bartek...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Hello Patrick,
 
 Sylpheed accepts plugins, too.  To what extent I don't know.
 Haven't gotten that far in the manual.  Since Claws is a fork, maybe,
 they are similar.
 
 Look 'n' feel is similar, but one of the reasons for the split was the
 ever increasing difficulty of merging Claws code into a new release of
 the Sylpheed original.  It shouldn't be difficult to migrate.

I installed Claws-Mail and only the Fancy plugin.  It works, sort
of:  Format HTML correctly, but doesn't show images.  Config problem?
Don't know.  Yet.

 From what I see at their respective web sites, CM has more plugins
 available for it that Sylpheed has.

Sylpheed only has one plugin.  And it wasn't what I needed.  CM plugin
don't show up in Sylpheed, but I haven't really tried finding out why
or even if they are compatible.

Gotta finish reading the f'ing manuals first. ;-)

B


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Re: Thanks to All (Was: MUA Yahoo)

On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 11:08:16 -0400
Frank McCormick debianl...@videotron.ca wrote:

 On 04/29/2013 10:10 AM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
  On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 23:41:50 -0400
  Frank McCormick debianl...@videotron.ca wrote:
 
  On 04/28/2013 09:41 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
 
  [snip]
  I just wish it could open in Sylpheed's reader window itself,
  instead of me having to switch to a different workspace where
  google-chrome is running all the time.  Would Thunderbird or
  similar do that?  I've never used it, so I don't know.
 
 
  That's one of the main reasons I switched from Sylpheed to
  Thunderbird. It's handling of html is built-in. A second reason
  was I found Sylpheed's IMAP-handling a little flakey. YMMV.
 
  Flakey in what way?  So far, I haven't noted anything unusual with
  Sylpheed.
 
 As I recall (it's been a year or two since I switched) Sylpheed
 was timing out on one or two IMAP connections...waiting for the 60
 sec timeout, then rebuilding the IMAP connection, at which point
 everything would be fine...until the next time when it would timeout
 again..etc etc. I spent a lot of time configuring and reconfiguring,
 Googline the problem etc. Thundebird never seems to have the problem.

Haven't noted any time outs here.  Maybe, it was bug that's been
fixed since last used it or the time out has been turned off by
default.  Don't know.  But I'll keep an eye out.

As far as plugins, CLAWS is the definite winner. Sylpheed has very 
 few (if any).

Sylpheed only has one, as far as I can find.

B


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Re: Thanks to All (Was: MUA Yahoo)

2013-04-29 Thread Alan Ianson

On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 16:47:01 -0700
Patrick Bartek bartek...@yahoo.com wrote:

 On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 15:21:54 +0100
 Brad Rogers b...@fineby.me.uk wrote:
 
  On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 07:07:01 -0700
  Patrick Bartek bartek...@yahoo.com wrote:
  
  Hello Patrick,
  
  Sylpheed accepts plugins, too.  To what extent I don't know.
  Haven't gotten that far in the manual.  Since Claws is a fork,
  maybe, they are similar.
  
  Look 'n' feel is similar, but one of the reasons for the split was
  the ever increasing difficulty of merging Claws code into a new
  release of the Sylpheed original.  It shouldn't be difficult to
  migrate.
 
 I installed Claws-Mail and only the Fancy plugin.  It works, sort
 of:  Format HTML correctly, but doesn't show images.  Config problem?
 Don't know.  Yet.

I think so. I also use claws mail with the fancy plugin and it displays
images fine here. As I recall I spent quite a while in the config till
I got happy with everything though.. :)

I also use the tray icon plugin so I can minimize claws to the system
tray and see when new mail arrives.


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