Re: Wanna be a Debian user...
Will, Your appoach is normal one to get from potato to woody. It does not harm but I think it is pointless for this case. What I am doing is avoid installing normal minimum potato itself. Only base2_2.tgz is installed from potato. By mangling with /etc/apt/sources.list during installation, dselect never fetches files from potato but only from woody archive. I did not try dist-upgrade from base2_2.tgz only installation. Even if successful with this, one has to run dselect to get decent system going. So you gain nothing but run extra commands. Osamu PS: You are right on /etc/apt/sources.list On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 05:30:36PM -0600, will trillich wrote: installation started and then driver disks? base disks? Can I not go directly to getting things off the network after booting in with the rescue and root disks? install potato/stable, then munge /etc/apt/sources changing stable to woody (or testing) and then apt-get update apt-get upgrade On Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 08:48:37PM -0800, Osamu Aoki wrote: Install woody using potato boot disks ide-pci kernel on ide boot disk enables pci network cards. 1. Get 3 potato disk set of IDE boot/root(/driver) disks 2. Boot with FD 3. Fdisk/fsck/mount swap, root, tmp, var, home, usr (no 2.0 support) 4. Install OS from network. No need for driver disk(s) 5. Configure driver (No action option) 6. Install base system from network (base2_2.tgz) 7. Configure base system 8. Install lilo to /target and keep current multiboot mbr 9. Reboot system (Lazy not to create FD) 10. MD5 yes, shadow yes, setup also user account 11. Edit source by hand (setup 2 entries, change stable to testing) /etc/apt/sources.list is what you mean, right? 12. Install advanced (dselect) 13. Select minimum set (exclude emacs, nvi, tex, telnet, talk(d),...) 14. Include mc, vim, ... (for convienience) 15. Install (download all...) 16. All configuration questions = y (replace current) 17. exim: select 2 for machine behind FW, 1 for internet machine. (XXX) 18. Never erase downloaded file, end smoothly. Wow! 19. Check by Select console-* and lilo are from potato. Heck, it works. 20. I see complain about DESTROY method. Annoying but testing. 21. Login to root, run dselect --expert, good 22. Reboot. missing char-major-10-135 ? (rtc) but fine 23. Compiled newer kernel or install standard kernel-image. No more rtc issue. -- -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki [EMAIL PROTECTED], GnuPG-key: 1024D/D5DE453D + + Fingerprint: 814E BD64 3288 40E7 E88E 3D92 C3F8 EA94 D5DE 453D + + http://www.aokiconsulting.com/debian/ for FAQ Cupertino, CA USA +
Re: Wanna be a Debian user...
installation started and then driver disks? base disks? Can I not go directly to getting things off the network after booting in with the rescue and root disks? install potato/stable, then munge /etc/apt/sources changing stable to woody (or testing) and then apt-get update apt-get upgrade On Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 08:48:37PM -0800, Osamu Aoki wrote: Install woody using potato boot disks ide-pci kernel on ide boot disk enables pci network cards. 1. Get 3 potato disk set of IDE boot/root(/driver) disks 2. Boot with FD 3. Fdisk/fsck/mount swap, root, tmp, var, home, usr (no 2.0 support) 4. Install OS from network. No need for driver disk(s) 5. Configure driver (No action option) 6. Install base system from network (base2_2.tgz) 7. Configure base system 8. Install lilo to /target and keep current multiboot mbr 9. Reboot system (Lazy not to create FD) 10. MD5 yes, shadow yes, setup also user account 11. Edit source by hand (setup 2 entries, change stable to testing) /etc/apt/sources.list is what you mean, right? 12. Install advanced (dselect) 13. Select minimum set (exclude emacs, nvi, tex, telnet, talk(d),...) 14. Include mc, vim, ... (for convienience) 15. Install (download all...) 16. All configuration questions = y (replace current) 17. exim: select 2 for machine behind FW, 1 for internet machine. (XXX) 18. Never erase downloaded file, end smoothly. Wow! 19. Check by Select console-* and lilo are from potato. Heck, it works. 20. I see complain about DESTROY method. Annoying but testing. 21. Login to root, run dselect --expert, good 22. Reboot. missing char-major-10-135 ? (rtc) but fine 23. Compiled newer kernel or install standard kernel-image. No more rtc issue. -- It is always hazardous to ask Why? in science, but it is often interesting to do so just the same. -- Isaac Asimov, 'The Genetic Code' [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://newbieDoc.sourceforge.net/ -- we need your brain! http://www.dontUthink.com/ -- your brain needs us!
Re: Wanna be a Debian user...
I think some thing wrong with time stamp,... Anyway: installation started and then driver disks? base disks? Can I not go directly to getting things off the network after booting in with the rescue and root disks? Install woody using potato boot disks ide-pci kernel on ide boot disk enables pci network cards. 1. Get 3 potato disk set of IDE boot/root(/driver) disks 2. Boot with FD 3. Fdisk/fsck/mount swap, root, tmp, var, home, usr (no 2.0 support) 4. Install OS from network. No need for driver disk(s) 5. Configure driver (No action option) 6. Install base system from network (base2_2.tgz) 7. Configure base system 8. Install lilo to /target and keep current multiboot mbr 9. Reboot system (Lazy not to create FD) 10. MD5 yes, shadow yes, setup also user account 11. Edit source by hand (setup 2 entries, change stable to testing) 12. Install advanced (dselect) 13. Select minimum set (exclude emacs, nvi, tex, telnet, talk(d),...) 14. Include mc, vim, ... (for convienience) 15. Install (download all...) 16. All configuration questions = y (replace current) 17. exim: select 2 for machine behind FW, 1 for internet machine. (XXX) 18. Never erase downloaded file, end smoothly. Wow! 19. Check by Select console-* and lilo are from potato. Heck, it works. 20. I see complain about DESTROY method. Annoying but testing. 21. Login to root, run dselect --expert, good 22. Reboot. missing char-major-10-135 ? (rtc) but fine 23. Compiled newer kernel or install standard kernel-image. No more rtc issue. Good luck. -- + Osamu Aoki [EMAIL PROTECTED], GnuPG-key: 1024D/D5DE453D + + Fingerprint: 814E BD64 3288 40E7 E88E 3D92 C3F8 EA94 D5DE 453D + + http://www.aokiconsulting.com/pc/ Cupertino, CA USA +
Re: Wanna be a Debian user...
On Thu, Oct 12, 2000 at 01:52:20PM -0700, Jeff Hornsberger wrote: 3. This isn't really related to the installation procedure, but I was just wondering why Woody still uses XFree86 3.3.6 and not 4.0.1 (for the video cards that are supported), or am I missing something? Woody has XFree86 4.0.2 plus some assorted 3.3.6 drivers for cards not supported in 4.0.x.
Re: Wanna be a Debian user...
Sorry about that. I noticed (too late) that I had replied to an old message which had somehow been resent to the list. On Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 08:49:15PM -0800, nielsen wrote: On Thu, Oct 12, 2000 at 01:52:20PM -0700, Jeff Hornsberger wrote: 3. This isn't really related to the installation procedure, but I was just wondering why Woody still uses XFree86 3.3.6 and not 4.0.1 (for the video cards that are supported), or am I missing something? Woody has XFree86 4.0.2 plus some assorted 3.3.6 drivers for cards not supported in 4.0.x.
Re: Wanna be a Debian user...
On Thu, Oct 12, 2000 at 01:52:20PM -0700, Jeff Hornsberger wrote: Hi, I have been using Red Hat Linux exclusively for a little over a year now, but feel that it is time to reinstall my system sometime soon. I was thinking I would like to switch to Debian, but have a few questions: 1. The first thing is that I would like to install completely via ftp. I have a CD burner, but I'm not very interested in burning a CD for one time use if I don't have to. With RH I just have to get the network boot disk image and boot off that and from there it gets everything else it needs from the ftp site and path that I specify. It even sets up DHCP for my @home cable modem configuration. I have read over the Debian installation methods and it doesn't seem quite as easy (nor did I expect it to be), but I just want to be clear on what must be done. As I understand it I need a rescue disk to boot, a root disk to get the installation started and then driver disks? base disks? Can I not go directly to getting things off the network after booting in with the rescue and root disks? 2. Another thing that I'm wondering about is that I would like to install Woody rather than Potato to get all the latest packages, but there seem to be no disks for Woody. Can I use the Potato disks and then install Woody packages, or how does that work? Or is Woody completely unstable at this point as opposed to not completely stable? Why do you want to install Woody ? It's true that Woody has got up-to-date packages, but what kind of packages do you really want to have up-to-date ? If it's only packages that concern gnome (Gnome itself, Gimp, Gftp, Sawfish, and others packages like this) use a Potato with the updates of Helix Gnome. If you try to switch to Woody, it's true that you will have the last packages (But do you really care about the last version of Exim, Gcc ?) but the system will be really unstable. I think it's really a bad idea to install Woody for the time being. 3. This isn't really related to the installation procedure, but I was just wondering why Woody still uses XFree86 3.3.6 and not 4.0.1 (for the video cards that are supported), or am I missing something? The main problem of Potato (and Woody) : XFree 4.0.1 is not here (I own a GeFroce so I need it). But it's easy to get the latest sources and compile it on your system (using /usr/XF40 for example). XFree 4.0.1 is going to be in Woody soon, Debian develeppers seems to be slow, but they provide an excellent work. Just compile it by yourself for the time being. Francois
Re: Wanna be a Debian user...
Jeff Hornsberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, I have been using Red Hat Linux exclusively for a little over a year now, but feel that it is time to reinstall my system sometime soon. I was thinking I would like to switch to Debian, but have a few questions: 1. The first thing is that I would like to install completely via ftp. I have a CD burner, but I'm not very interested in burning a CD for one time use if I don't have to. With RH I just have to get the network boot disk image and boot off that and from there it gets everything else it needs from the ftp site and path that I specify. It even sets up DHCP for my @home cable modem configuration. I have read over the Debian installation methods and it doesn't seem quite as easy (nor did I expect it to be), but I just want to be clear on what must be done. As I understand it I need a rescue disk to boot, a root disk to get the installation started and then driver disks? base disks? Can I not go directly to getting things off the network after booting in with the rescue and root disks? You just need the root disk, rescue disk and driver disks. Everything else can be installed off the network. When the installation program asks for a source for the base, it will offer you an NFS mount, and an ftp site as options (maybe http site as well -- I don't remember). Just select ftp, and type in the site closest to you (usually something like ftp.[cc].debian.org/debian where [cc] is your two-letter country code). It's a good thing too, because now that AOL gives out their software on CD's, not many people own 16 blank floppies. ;-) From my experience, the hardest part about the installation was reading the instructions. After I created root/rescue/driver disks, everything went pretty smoothly. It was a lot more enjoyable than my experiences with RedHat. 2. Another thing that I'm wondering about is that I would like to install Woody rather than Potato to get all the latest packages, but there seem to be no disks for Woody. Can I use the Potato disks and then install Woody packages, or how does that work? Or is Woody completely unstable at this point as opposed to not completely stable? Most people install Potato, and then upgrade to Woody by editing /etc/apt/sources.list and apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade-ing (now if that's not the most horrible verb I've ever seen...) From what I can tell, Woody as of right now is fairly stable in the sense that it will still give you better uptimes than Windows will. But it is unstable in the sense that if you keep your system up to date all the time (using apt-get), things may break without notice. If you look at the list archives from a couple weeks ago, you'll see many posts regarding a broken libc6 package which caused problems for people using Woody. 3. This isn't really related to the installation procedure, but I was just wondering why Woody still uses XFree86 3.3.6 and not 4.0.1 (for the video cards that are supported), or am I missing something? AFAIK, the XFree86 maintainer has working binaries of 4.0.1, which are available from http://samosa.debian.org/~branden/woody/. One of the issues with it, I think, is that he's trying to figure out the best way to package the thing. I hope that you have a good time using Debian. I am an ex-RedHat user, and I can say that Debian is a lot nicer than RedHat. Especially apt-get. Hubert -- | --- | / --+-- | / ___|___Hubert Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] | \ | _|_ | |__| |__|__|GCS/M d- s:- a-- C++ UL+() P++ L++ E++ W++ N++ o? || K? w--- O++ M- V- PS-- PE+++ Y+ PGP+ t+ 5 X R- tv+ b+ | / | \ DI D G e++ h! !r !y | / | \ || -- http://www.crosswinds.net/~hackerhue/ PGP/GnuPG fingerprint: 6CC5 822D 2E55 494C 81DD 6F2C 6518 54DF 71FD A37F Key can be found at http://www.crosswinds.net/~hackerhue/hackerhue.asc Experience the Power to Change -- http://www.powertochange.org/ CAUCE member -- Stop Spam! -- http://www.cauce.org/ Linux: Where do you want to go tomorrow? -- http://www.linux.com/ International Alliance for Compatible Technology -- http://www.iact.net/
Re: Wanna be a Debian user...
Jeff Hornsberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. The first thing is that I would like to install completely via ftp. I have a CD burner, but I'm not very interested in burning a CD for one time use if I don't have to. With RH I just have to get the network boot disk image and boot off that and from there it gets everything else it needs from the ftp site and path that I specify. The times I've installed Debian I've only needed two disks: rescue disk and root disk. With normal installations without unusual hardware this should be all you need. It even sets up DHCP for my @home cable modem configuration. Not sure how the Debian installer handles this. I have a cable modem, and use the dhcp-client package (there are several alternatives, I just picked one :)), but I installed all this a long time after installing Debian. 2. Another thing that I'm wondering about is that I would like to install Woody rather than Potato to get all the latest packages, but there seem to be no disks for Woody. Can I use the Potato disks and then install Woody packages, or how does that work? Or is Woody completely unstable at this point as opposed to not completely stable? woody won't have a proper installer for a while yet, as it's being extensively reworked. There should be no problem with installing potato and then upgrading (either with dselect or 'apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade') to woody - Debian is very, very proud of its upgradeability, and you should only ever need to install Debian on any given box once. Be wary about woody, though; it's undergoing some fairly fundamental changes at the moment (glibc was just upgraded recently, and gcc will apparently be upgraded soon). I run it happily enough here, but I'm familiar enough with the Debian packaging system to be able to cope with the odd packaging weirdnesses that crop up in an unstable distribution. If you're new to Debian, I wouldn't advise you to run woody straight away; if you do, you'll probably want to subscribe to the developers' mailing list, debian-devel, as well as debian-user. 3. This isn't really related to the installation procedure, but I was just wondering why Woody still uses XFree86 3.3.6 and not 4.0.1 (for the video cards that are supported), or am I missing something? The Debian X maintainer is working on it, but is being extremely careful about the upgrade. If you're interested in testing his pre-release packages, have a look at the X Strike Force web pages at URL:http://www.debian.org/~branden/. Note the warning in the changelog: * DO NOT FILE BUGS AGAINST THIS PACKAGE. IT HAS NOT BEEN OFFICIALLY RELEASED. * IF YOU ARE NOT AN X WINDOW SYSTEM BRAINIAC, YOU SHOULD JUST WAIT FOR OFFICIAL XFREE86 DEBIAN PACKAGES TO BE UPLOADED TO UNSTABLE. * REPORT PROBLEMS TO debian-x@lists.debian.org, *NOT* [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cheers, and good luck, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Wanna be a Debian user...
Francois Fayard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you try to switch to Woody, it's true that you will have the last packages (But do you really care about the last version of Exim, Gcc ?) but the system will be really unstable. I think it's really a bad idea to install Woody for the time being. Generally I find that it's the upgrade process that's occasionally unstable, rather than the system itself. (The glibc upgrade was an exception, but even that wasn't *too* bad.) The main problem of Potato (and Woody) : XFree 4.0.1 is not here (I own a GeFroce so I need it). But it's easy to get the latest sources and compile it on your system (using /usr/XF40 for example). Use /usr/local if you're compiling things yourself, and then you're guaranteed that Debian won't touch it. Of course, nothing's likely to end up in /usr/XF40 anyway, but it just feels a little cleaner. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
