Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Curt]

On 2019-02-07, deloptes  wrote:
> Curt wrote:
>
>> I thought the $10,000 rule had to do with *cash*.
>> 
>> Cash does not include:
>> 
>> • Personal checks drawn on the account of the writer.
>> • A cashier’s check, bank draft, traveler’s check or money order with a
>> face value of more than $10,000.
>> 
>> https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-utl/irsform8300referenceguide.pdf
>> 
>> Maybe I'm missing something here.
>
> Don't know how it is in US - here if you want to withdraw more than 5000,-
> cash from the local bank office, you have to request it upfront
>

Not related to the price of tea in China.

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 07 February 2019 12:57:15 Ric Moore wrote:

> On 2/6/19 8:30 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Wednesday 06 February 2019 20:15:48 John Hasler wrote:
> >> Gene writes:
> >>> I have had to write 2 checks for the last 2 vehicles I've
> >>> bought. Writing a single check for close to $20k for a good used
> >>> car/truck doesn't fly, some sort of a rule that 10k and over has
> >>> to be reported so the irs can watch for laundering, so I write one
> >>> for $ one day, and the balance the next day. As long as the
> >>> account is good for it, what business is it I buy a new truck to
> >>> replace a 20 yo rust bucket that getting dangerous to drive.
> >>
> >> People have been prosecuted for evading the controls in that way. 
> >> The government doesn't need to prove that any other illegal
> >> activity was involved or intended: evading the reporting
> >> requirements is a crime in itself.
> >
> > Maybe, but if they jailed everybody that did it, we'd need at least
> > 20x more beds in the jails.+
>
> No kidding. Gene, I'm finally getting my dream sailboat, at almost 70
> years old, and I'll be spending a lot more than 10k. But, it will be
> up to my bank to report the transaction, not me.
>
Bruce has one he'd like to sell. Older, cuddy cabin, towable by even a 
small car. Probably needs more than a paint job by now. But likely less 
than 10k too.  if interested.

> "Do what you want because a pirate is free, you are a pirate!"
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8ju_10NkGY
> Yo ho Ric


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Ric Moore]

On 2/6/19 8:30 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:

On Wednesday 06 February 2019 20:15:48 John Hasler wrote:


Gene writes:

I have had to write 2 checks for the last 2 vehicles I've
bought. Writing a single check for close to $20k for a good used
car/truck doesn't fly, some sort of a rule that 10k and over has to
be reported so the irs can watch for laundering, so I write one for
$ one day, and the balance the next day. As long as the account
is good for it, what business is it I buy a new truck to replace a
20 yo rust bucket that getting dangerous to drive.


People have been prosecuted for evading the controls in that way.  The
government doesn't need to prove that any other illegal activity was
involved or intended: evading the reporting requirements is a crime in
itself.


Maybe, but if they jailed everybody that did it, we'd need at least 20x
more beds in the jails.+



No kidding. Gene, I'm finally getting my dream sailboat, at almost 70 
years old, and I'll be spending a lot more than 10k. But, it will be up 
to my bank to report the transaction, not me.


"Do what you want because a pirate is free, you are a pirate!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8ju_10NkGY
Yo ho Ric

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Curt]

On 2019-02-07, Gene Heskett  wrote:
>
> I think we've about worn this off topic thread out. The $10,000 rule is 
> what it is wherever you are doing business.
> Cheers, Gene Heskett

For me the rule is defined by the IRS and the FinCEN. The very heading
of IRS form 8300--"Report of Cash Payments Over $10,000 Received in a
Trade or Business"--appears to leave little wiggle room for subjective
interpretation in the matter.

The perversity of the thing is, Gene, as I've pointed out elsewhere, for
certain monetary instruments which normally would not fall foul of the
reporting requirement when used in good faith, attempting to use those
same instruments in such a manner as to avoid triggering the reporting
requirement results in the triggering of the reporting requirement.

As those monetary instruments do not comprise the personal check, however,
both you and your used car salesman can breathe easy.

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 07 February 2019 05:19:54 Curt wrote:

> On 2019-02-07, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > On Wednesday 06 February 2019 20:15:48 John Hasler wrote:
> >> Gene writes:
> >> > I have had to write 2 checks for the last 2 vehicles I've
> >> > bought. Writing a single check for close to $20k for a good used
> >> > car/truck doesn't fly, some sort of a rule that 10k and over has
> >> > to be reported so the irs can watch for laundering, so I write
> >> > one for $ one day, and the balance the next day. As long as
> >> > the account is good for it, what business is it I buy a new truck
> >> > to replace a 20 yo rust bucket that getting dangerous to drive.
> >>
> >> People have been prosecuted for evading the controls in that way. 
> >> The government doesn't need to prove that any other illegal
> >> activity was involved or intended: evading the reporting
> >> requirements is a crime in itself.
> >
> > Maybe, but if they jailed everybody that did it, we'd need at least
> > 20x more beds in the jails.+
> >
> >
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett
>
> I thought the $10,000 rule had to do with *cash*.
>
>  Cash does not include:
>
>   • Personal checks drawn on the account of the writer.
>   • A cashier’s check, bank draft, traveler’s check or money order
> with a face value of more than $10,000.
>
> https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-utl/irsform8300referenceguide.pdf
>
> Maybe I'm missing something here.

Or my fav used car dealer, a good member of our church, who's sold me the 
last 5 vehicles we've worn out, running a 2 site business his 
grandfather started about the end of WW-II. And that's how he's done it 
since that $10,000 rule went into effect. Anytime I feel the need to 
refresh my driveway, I've alway found what I wanted, for a decent price.
Driveway occupants currently include a 2007 RAV4 that had 21,000 miles on 
it when I wrote 2 checks for it in 2011, now has 62k on it, and hasn't 
turned a wheel in months, but its sitting there with a charger on its 
battery because its computer will kill a battery in a week if its not 
moving.

Then a year back my 99 gmc pickup decided to rust thru its brake lines 
and start leaking axle grease at the spring hanger bolts, about a year 
after I'd put a new long block in it because the head gaskets failed and 
the old one had a pan full of antifreeze at 112k miles, I got it up to 
116k before rust was the ultimate enemy.  So now I'm in a 2011 Ford, 
ecoboost v6 that looked showroom when I got behind the wheel a year ago. 
Had 139k on it already, but I've not been very far with it so its at 
142,300 about now. Worst complaint is its poor mileage around town when 
using it for the daily driver. Way too easy to spool up the blowers and 
get some serious giddyup out of it.  Crew cab, full topper, first class 
all the way. But that giddyup has to move over 7000 lbs, so the mileage 
hovers at about 14.  Reset and go 435 one way to the nieces Dairy farm 
in NY and it will be showing just shy of 18 when it next pulls into the 
driveway.  I'd sell the toy, but I can't get the missus up into this 
cab, so it sits until I have to take her, her oxygen tank and her 
wheelchair someplace. Which hasn't happened since last summer.

I think we've about worn this off topic thread out. The $10,000 rule is 
what it is wherever you are doing business.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[deloptes]

Curt wrote:

> I thought the $10,000 rule had to do with *cash*.
> 
> Cash does not include:
> 
> • Personal checks drawn on the account of the writer.
> • A cashier’s check, bank draft, traveler’s check or money order with a
> face value of more than $10,000.
> 
> https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-utl/irsform8300referenceguide.pdf
> 
> Maybe I'm missing something here.

Don't know how it is in US - here if you want to withdraw more than 5000,-
cash from the local bank office, you have to request it upfront

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Curt]

On 2019-02-07, deloptes  wrote:
>
> Same here, same here - limit is €1,-, so we do the same split all into
> work packages below 1,-
>

Le plafond concerne des paiements *en liquide* uniquement.

He's writing *checks*.

https://droit-finances.commentcamarche.com/faq/7183-paiement-en-especes-et-liquide-plafonds

The IRS is rather sly in its thinking, it seems, because if you pay for
your $12,000 truck with a $12,000 cashier's check, you do not trigger
the reporting requirement; however, if you pay for your truck with two
cashier's checks of $6,000 each, you do trigger the reporting
requirement, as in this latter case they figure you're attempting to
avert it.

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Curt]

On 2019-02-07, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> On Wednesday 06 February 2019 20:15:48 John Hasler wrote:
>
>> Gene writes:
>> > I have had to write 2 checks for the last 2 vehicles I've
>> > bought. Writing a single check for close to $20k for a good used
>> > car/truck doesn't fly, some sort of a rule that 10k and over has to
>> > be reported so the irs can watch for laundering, so I write one for
>> > $ one day, and the balance the next day. As long as the account
>> > is good for it, what business is it I buy a new truck to replace a
>> > 20 yo rust bucket that getting dangerous to drive.
>>
>> People have been prosecuted for evading the controls in that way.  The
>> government doesn't need to prove that any other illegal activity was
>> involved or intended: evading the reporting requirements is a crime in
>> itself.
>
> Maybe, but if they jailed everybody that did it, we'd need at least 20x 
> more beds in the jails.+
>
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett

I thought the $10,000 rule had to do with *cash*.

 Cash does not include:

  • Personal checks drawn on the account of the writer.
  • A cashier’s check, bank draft, traveler’s check or money order with a
face value of more than $10,000.

https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-utl/irsform8300referenceguide.pdf

Maybe I'm missing something here.

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[deloptes]

Gene Heskett wrote:

> You are just playing in a bigger rodeo.  I have had to write 2 checks for
> the last 2 vehicles I've bought. Writing a single check for close to
> $20k for a good used car/truck doesn't fly, some sort of a rule that 10k
> and over has to be reported so the irs can watch for laundering, so I
> write one for $ one day, and the balance the next day. As long as
> the account is good for it, what business is it I buy a new truck to
> replace a 20 yo rust bucket that getting dangerous to drive.

Same here, same here - limit is €1,-, so we do the same split all into
work packages below 1,-

However I think they are watching if the wrong people are doing the
laundering :D. I just heard a story how civil border patrol in US caught 2
CIA employes with 100 pounds of white powder near the border and they
explained this belongs to CIA :D

Another option are the fees they collect - but I am not sure if it is per
transaction or %charge on the total.

regards

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Celejar]

On Wed, 6 Feb 2019 20:51:37 -0600
David Wright  wrote:

> On Wed 06 Feb 2019 at 19:15:48 (-0600), John Hasler wrote:
> > Gene writes:
> > > I have had to write 2 checks for the last 2 vehicles I've
> > > bought. Writing a single check for close to $20k for a good used
> > > car/truck doesn't fly, some sort of a rule that 10k and over has to be
> > > reported so the irs can watch for laundering, so I write one for $
> > > one day, and the balance the next day. As long as the account is good
> > > for it, what business is it I buy a new truck to replace a 20 yo rust
> > > bucket that getting dangerous to drive.
> > 
> > People have been prosecuted for evading the controls in that way.  The
> > government doesn't need to prove that any other illegal activity was
> > involved or intended: evading the reporting requirements is a crime in
> > itself.
> 
> Isn't it the payee who's evading the reporting requirement? So a payer
> might try pleading ignorance as to why the payee asked for two cheques.

The practice is called structuring, and I think that, at least in the
U.S., the statute does cover payer conduct:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structuring

Celejar

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[David Wright]

On Wed 06 Feb 2019 at 19:15:48 (-0600), John Hasler wrote:
> Gene writes:
> > I have had to write 2 checks for the last 2 vehicles I've
> > bought. Writing a single check for close to $20k for a good used
> > car/truck doesn't fly, some sort of a rule that 10k and over has to be
> > reported so the irs can watch for laundering, so I write one for $
> > one day, and the balance the next day. As long as the account is good
> > for it, what business is it I buy a new truck to replace a 20 yo rust
> > bucket that getting dangerous to drive.
> 
> People have been prosecuted for evading the controls in that way.  The
> government doesn't need to prove that any other illegal activity was
> involved or intended: evading the reporting requirements is a crime in
> itself.

Isn't it the payee who's evading the reporting requirement? So a payer
might try pleading ignorance as to why the payee asked for two cheques.

Cheers,
David.

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 06 February 2019 20:15:48 John Hasler wrote:

> Gene writes:
> > I have had to write 2 checks for the last 2 vehicles I've
> > bought. Writing a single check for close to $20k for a good used
> > car/truck doesn't fly, some sort of a rule that 10k and over has to
> > be reported so the irs can watch for laundering, so I write one for
> > $ one day, and the balance the next day. As long as the account
> > is good for it, what business is it I buy a new truck to replace a
> > 20 yo rust bucket that getting dangerous to drive.
>
> People have been prosecuted for evading the controls in that way.  The
> government doesn't need to prove that any other illegal activity was
> involved or intended: evading the reporting requirements is a crime in
> itself.

Maybe, but if they jailed everybody that did it, we'd need at least 20x 
more beds in the jails.+


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[John Hasler]

Gene writes:
> I have had to write 2 checks for the last 2 vehicles I've
> bought. Writing a single check for close to $20k for a good used
> car/truck doesn't fly, some sort of a rule that 10k and over has to be
> reported so the irs can watch for laundering, so I write one for $
> one day, and the balance the next day. As long as the account is good
> for it, what business is it I buy a new truck to replace a 20 yo rust
> bucket that getting dangerous to drive.

People have been prosecuted for evading the controls in that way.  The
government doesn't need to prove that any other illegal activity was
involved or intended: evading the reporting requirements is a crime in
itself.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 06 February 2019 12:46:29 deloptes wrote:

> Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Not that I know about ATM. But the woofs family has a few small
> > pieces of gas well royalties, and they always mail the checks so
> > they get here late Friday's, too late to hit the bank with such a
> > piddly deposit.  And by Monday its buried in this midden heap and
> > forgotten, so more than 1 $7 or $12 check has wound up in the
> > treasurers office and I have to claim them for her. Mailing it so it
> > gets here after the banks close on Friday is NOT anything but
> > intentional, they get to use your money for a little while longer.
> > Interesting what you can learn at the rodeo...
>
> very interesting - couple of years ago I learned about over night
> swaps ... and usually you are not getting bigger transfers same day.
> They (in the bank) say that bigger amounts need approval and it takes
> one day :) (in Europe) :)
> I am not sure if it changed now, cause they changed something last
> year - but I doubt cause it is so tasty. Especially if you know what
> will happen in the next 6 hours on wall street or in japan ...
>
> regards

You are just playing in a bigger rodeo.  I have had to write 2 checks for 
the last 2 vehicles I've bought. Writing a single check for close to 
$20k for a good used car/truck doesn't fly, some sort of a rule that 10k 
and over has to be reported so the irs can watch for laundering, so I 
write one for $ one day, and the balance the next day. As long as 
the account is good for it, what business is it I buy a new truck to 
replace a 20 yo rust bucket that getting dangerous to drive.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Dan Ritter]

John Hasler wrote: 
> Celejar writes:
> > https://pbsmarket.com/gdpr-for-bloggers/
> 
> This is ludidrous.  If you sell nothing to Europeans and have no
> business presence there you can ignore this.  It's easy to see why many
> site owners decide that the safer course is to block Europe, though,
> even if they are actually already in compliance.  From their point of
> view it's block Europe, hire an expensive lawyer to tell them how to
> comply, or risk prosecution.
> 
> I run a small site for my business.  I collect no data at all on
> visitors and use no JS, but I have no idea whether or not I'm in
> compliance and I have no intention of trying to find out.

You're in compliance.

GDPR is:

- written clearly
- makes reasonable sense given its premise
- scales requirements to what you are doing
- scales fines to how badly you are abusing the requirements

If you collect personal information, you need to be able to show that
it was gathered with the person's consent; correct it or delete it on
request of the particular person it's about, and you need to make it
easy for them to contact you to do those things. You need to be able to
state why you are collecting their information, how long you are keeping
their information, and have a policy about when you delete it.


You're not collecting personal data? No problem, you're done.


-dsr-

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[John Hasler]

Gene writes:
> nearest portal is 500 miles away over ipv4 circuits

That's what the tunnel is for.

But it sounds like you think ipV6 might get you more bandwidth.  It won't.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[deloptes]

to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> Attempt at an explanation: as IPV4 gets more and more exhausted,
> we're bound to see small slivers of IPV4 space "recycled" and
> allocated to random places -- IP address to geolocation "mapping"
> becoming more and more fractal and (time-) dynamic. Admins:
> enjoy maintaining your firewall rules!

My feeling is that might be all of that is managed from India or Malaysia
and perhaps no one knows what is going on.

I expect worse things in the future.

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[deloptes]

Gene Heskett wrote:

> Not that I know about ATM. But the woofs family has a few small pieces of
> gas well royalties, and they always mail the checks so they get here
> late Friday's, too late to hit the bank with such a piddly deposit.  And
> by Monday its buried in this midden heap and forgotten, so more than 1
> $7 or $12 check has wound up in the treasurers office and I have to
> claim them for her. Mailing it so it gets here after the banks close on
> Friday is NOT anything but intentional, they get to use your money for a
> little while longer. Interesting what you can learn at the rodeo...

very interesting - couple of years ago I learned about over night swaps ...
and usually you are not getting bigger transfers same day. They (in the
bank) say that bigger amounts need approval and it takes one day :) (in
Europe) :)
I am not sure if it changed now, cause they changed something last year -
but I doubt cause it is so tasty. Especially if you know what will happen
in the next 6 hours on wall street or in japan ...

regards

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 06 February 2019 08:04:59 John Hasler wrote:

> Gene writes:
> > I'm firmly in ipv4 country yet, and I don't know of an ipv6 facility
> > closer than Pittsburgh.
>
> Irrelvant.  Use a tunnel.  I've used these free tunnel brokers:
> https://ipv6.he.net/

nearest portal is 500 miles away over ipv4 circuits

> https://www.sixxs.net/main/

was sunsetted 3 years ago.

I just called my cable connection provider, and asked how far away 
timewise, is ipv6 connectivity in Weston WV.
" I don't know what this ipv6 is "

So me, and my ancient web page, are stuck in 10 megabit territory, can 
get 100 if I needed it for another 30 bucks a month, at an ipv4 address 
I just renewed in the December past for another 5 years at namecheap.  
Address in the sig.  And while its said to be dynamic, as long as I 
clone this buffalo routers MAC into whatever router I have  hooked up, 
its been a fixed address for the past 7 years.

One must be practical.  And my point is that the most important mile in 
any net connection, is the last mile to ones modem, and what bandwidth 
the modem is provisioned for. And I consistently measure about 11 or 12 
megabyte down and around 3 up. Meaning I am getting a wee bit more than 
I'm paying for. My telephone is also part of that bundle.  I long ago 
found Verizon's copper here in town, buried for 80+ years, had  very 
poor reliability, and to get Verizon to fix it for another week was 
taking complaints to the states PUC, and which was pissing Verizon off 
no end. So when the local cable was sold to Shentel and a whole new 
technical facility was constructed to support it, I voted with my wallet 
and had it all moved. Now the only service outages have been because the 
power is off long enough for their batteries to run down. I have my own 
power and the modem and my phone is back up 15 seconds after my power 
starts.  Cell phone service dies after their generators run out of fuel.

Takes half a day before their batteries go flat if the outage is wide 
spread.

Verizon sold the local phone system to Frontier, which try harder but its 
still the same old copper with all its problems.

So ipv6 is locally moot, John, and likely will not change within my 
remaining time on this ball of rock and water, which I just extended by 
getting a pacemaker with a ten year battery installed last month. Since 
I am 84 now, I expect something else will put a ~30~ on my story.

If and when it arrives locally, I expect the drones answering the phones 
at my provider will be made cognizant because its their job to sell me a 
better service.

>
> A complete list:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IPv6_tunnel_brokers


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[John Hasler]

Celejar writes:
> https://pbsmarket.com/gdpr-for-bloggers/

This is ludidrous.  If you sell nothing to Europeans and have no
business presence there you can ignore this.  It's easy to see why many
site owners decide that the safer course is to block Europe, though,
even if they are actually already in compliance.  From their point of
view it's block Europe, hire an expensive lawyer to tell them how to
comply, or risk prosecution.

I run a small site for my business.  I collect no data at all on
visitors and use no JS, but I have no idea whether or not I'm in
compliance and I have no intention of trying to find out.

My site is hosted by Gandi, though, and I believe it is still running on
their French servers.  I suppose I should move it to the USA just to
avoid the small risk of it being shut down for failure to register or
some such nonsense.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Celejar]

On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 16:34:49 +0100
 wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 06:11:15PM +0300, Reco wrote:
> > Hi.
> > 
> > On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 03:41:30PM +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> > > China? North Korea?
> > 
> > Site owner, of course. (No)thanks to GDPR, it's easier for US site to
> > block any visitor from Europe than to comply with legal regulations.
> 
> ;-P
> 
> But it would be so easy to comply with GDPR: rotate logs regularly
> and don't serve javascript nasties. In short, don't be an asshole.
> 
> Funny that site owners have so many qualms over that...

I'm no GPDR expert, but isn't it much more complicated than that? I'm
not sure what sort of website the OP was talking about, but even for a
simple blog that allows comments, aren't there all sorts of other
requirements that would come into play? E.g.:

https://pbsmarket.com/gdpr-for-bloggers/

Celejar

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[John Hasler]

Gene writes:
> I'm firmly in ipv4 country yet, and I don't know of an ipv6 facility
> closer than Pittsburgh.

Irrelvant.  Use a tunnel.  I've used these free tunnel brokers:
https://ipv6.he.net/
https://www.sixxs.net/main/

A complete list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IPv6_tunnel_brokers
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 06 February 2019 03:10:18 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 09:42:04PM +0100, deloptes wrote:
> > to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > > I'd guess the same. But... now it gets interesting: blocked by
> > > whom? China? North Korea?
> >
> > Yes just tried
> >
> >  whois wvsto.com
> >
> > and accessible from here Europe.
> > I don't think one would block this site
>
> Name resolution isn't a problem: it's the access to the host after
> that. Tcpdump shows the SYNs going out but no ACKs arriving, it looks
> like some silly firewall rule on the way.
>
> I tried a couple of times after that (once just after I saw Brad's
> positive response from the UK) -- the results are consistent for
> me.
>
> So our rough map is: France (near Paris), Germany (Berlin): out;
> Spain (Madrid): in, UK: in.
>
> So much for basing your "security" on the IPs you see :-D
>
> Attempt at an explanation: as IPV4 gets more and more exhausted,
> we're bound to see small slivers of IPV4 space "recycled" and
> allocated to random places -- IP address to geolocation "mapping"
> becoming more and more fractal and (time-) dynamic. Admins:
> enjoy maintaining your firewall rules!
>
> Cheers
> -- tomás

Yup, I'm firmly in ipv4 country yet, and I don't know of an ipv6 facility 
closer than Pittsburgh. I've used it experimentally here in my own 
little domain, but currently have it turned off (I think)

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
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Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[tomas]

On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 09:42:04PM +0100, deloptes wrote:
> to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> 
> > I'd guess the same. But... now it gets interesting: blocked by whom?
> > China? North Korea?
> 
> Yes just tried
> 
>  whois wvsto.com
> 
> and accessible from here Europe.
> I don't think one would block this site

Name resolution isn't a problem: it's the access to the host after
that. Tcpdump shows the SYNs going out but no ACKs arriving, it looks
like some silly firewall rule on the way.

I tried a couple of times after that (once just after I saw Brad's
positive response from the UK) -- the results are consistent for
me.

So our rough map is: France (near Paris), Germany (Berlin): out;
Spain (Madrid): in, UK: in.

So much for basing your "security" on the IPs you see :-D

Attempt at an explanation: as IPV4 gets more and more exhausted,
we're bound to see small slivers of IPV4 space "recycled" and
allocated to random places -- IP address to geolocation "mapping"
becoming more and more fractal and (time-) dynamic. Admins:
enjoy maintaining your firewall rules!

Cheers
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Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 05 February 2019 14:03:15 Curt wrote:

> On 2019-02-05, Elmo  wrote:
> > On Tue, 5 Feb 2019, Brad Rogers wrote:
> >> On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 16:34:49 +0100
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello to...@tuxteam.de,
> >>
> >>> But it would be so easy to comply with GDPR: rotate logs regularly
> >>
> >> I'm in the UK and can connect to the site in question.  Therefore,
> >> it's probably not a GDPR issue.
> >
> > ditto from Madrid, Spain.
>
> No ditto here from just outside gay Paris (well, some ten miles out as
> the duck flies). I say duck because they (ducks) seem to fly really
> straight and fast and true, whereas a crow kind of dawdles and diddles
> and circles and fiddles.
>
> So I used an online proxy located in the old US of A.  My version of
> Firefox worked fine on the WV Treasurer's Office site (though my
> search returned no results, maybe because Gene doesn't have any
> unclaimed property over there in WV, as I entered his name as a test
> case).
>
> > fjd

Not that I know about ATM. But the woofs family has a few small pieces of 
gas well royalties, and they always mail the checks so they get here 
late Friday's, too late to hit the bank with such a piddly deposit.  And 
by Monday its buried in this midden heap and forgotten, so more than 1 
$7 or $12 check has wound up in the treasurers office and I have to 
claim them for her. Mailing it so it gets here after the banks close on 
Friday is NOT anything but intentional, they get to use your money for a 
little while longer. Interesting what you can learn at the rodeo...

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 05 February 2019 09:41:30 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 09:32:01AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Tuesday 05 February 2019 08:42:01 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > > On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 07:58:11AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > >
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > > http://www.wvsto.com/Unclaimed-Property/Search-Claim
> > >
> > > It doesn't even connect for me. I lean even more strongly
> > > towards incompetent web "programmers". Sigh.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > -- t
> >
> > You're trying to access it from a .de domain? Probably blocked,
> > although I was alerted by a NY resident who wasn't blocked.
>
> I'd guess the same. But... now it gets interesting: blocked by whom?
> China? North Korea?
>
> Hmmm.

Since that office is John Perdues domain, it may be one of his firewall 
rules.  But thats just a SWAG, Tomas. But it makes more sense than any 
of the other WAG's I can dream up.

> Cheers
> -- t
Take care, Tomas.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[deloptes]

to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> I'd guess the same. But... now it gets interesting: blocked by whom?
> China? North Korea?

Yes just tried

 whois wvsto.com

and accessible from here Europe.
I don't think one would block this site

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Brian]

On Tue 05 Feb 2019 at 19:03:15 -, Curt wrote:

> On 2019-02-05, Elmo  wrote:
> > On Tue, 5 Feb 2019, Brad Rogers wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 16:34:49 +0100
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello to...@tuxteam.de,
> >>
> >>> But it would be so easy to comply with GDPR: rotate logs regularly
> >>
> >> I'm in the UK and can connect to the site in question.  Therefore,
> >> it's probably not a GDPR issue.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > ditto from Madrid, Spain.
> 
> No ditto here from just outside gay Paris (well, some ten miles out as
> the duck flies). I say duck because they (ducks) seem to fly really
> straight and fast and true, whereas a crow kind of dawdles and diddles
> and circles and fiddles.

Research has shown that ducks have a much greater appreciation of the
space-time continuum than crows. Maybe that comes from living for part
of the time in a medium more susceptible to gravity.

> So I used an online proxy located in the old US of A.  My version of
> Firefox worked fine on the WV Treasurer's Office site (though my search
> returned no results, maybe because Gene doesn't have any unclaimed
> property over there in WV, as I entered his name as a test case).

Not a valid test. You didn't use a clapped out version of Debian.

-- 
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Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Curt]

On 2019-02-05, Elmo  wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Feb 2019, Brad Rogers wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 16:34:49 +0100
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Hello to...@tuxteam.de,
>>
>>> But it would be so easy to comply with GDPR: rotate logs regularly
>>
>> I'm in the UK and can connect to the site in question.  Therefore,
>> it's probably not a GDPR issue.
>>
>>
>
> ditto from Madrid, Spain.

No ditto here from just outside gay Paris (well, some ten miles out as
the duck flies). I say duck because they (ducks) seem to fly really
straight and fast and true, whereas a crow kind of dawdles and diddles
and circles and fiddles.

So I used an online proxy located in the old US of A.  My version of
Firefox worked fine on the WV Treasurer's Office site (though my search
returned no results, maybe because Gene doesn't have any unclaimed
property over there in WV, as I entered his name as a test case).


> fjd
>
>


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Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Elmo]

On Tue, 5 Feb 2019, Brad Rogers wrote:


On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 16:34:49 +0100
 wrote:

Hello to...@tuxteam.de,


But it would be so easy to comply with GDPR: rotate logs regularly


I'm in the UK and can connect to the site in question.  Therefore,
it's probably not a GDPR issue.




ditto from Madrid, Spain.

fjd

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[tomas]

On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 04:06:12PM +, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 16:34:49 +0100
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello to...@tuxteam.de,
> 
> >But it would be so easy to comply with GDPR: rotate logs regularly
> 
> I'm in the UK and can connect to the site in question.  Therefore,
> it's probably not a GDPR issue.

Or just lacking geographical knowledge among the web devels (or their
legal department).

Yeah. I'm having one of those days :-(

Cheers, anyway ;-)
-- t


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Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Brad Rogers]

On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 16:34:49 +0100
 wrote:

Hello to...@tuxteam.de,

>But it would be so easy to comply with GDPR: rotate logs regularly

I'm in the UK and can connect to the site in question.  Therefore,
it's probably not a GDPR issue.

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Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[tomas]

On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 06:11:15PM +0300, Reco wrote:
>   Hi.
> 
> On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 03:41:30PM +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

[...]

> > China? North Korea?
> 
> Site owner, of course. (No)thanks to GDPR, it's easier for US site to
> block any visitor from Europe than to comply with legal regulations.

;-P

But it would be so easy to comply with GDPR: rotate logs regularly
and don't serve javascript nasties. In short, don't be an asshole.

Funny that site owners have so many qualms over that...

Cheers
-- t


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Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Reco]

Hi.

On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 03:41:30PM +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 09:32:01AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Tuesday 05 February 2019 08:42:01 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > 
> > > On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 07:58:11AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > >
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > > http://www.wvsto.com/Unclaimed-Property/Search-Claim
> > >
> > > It doesn't even connect for me. I lean even more strongly
> > > towards incompetent web "programmers". Sigh.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > -- t
> > You're trying to access it from a .de domain? Probably blocked, although 
> > I was alerted by a NY resident who wasn't blocked.
> 
> I'd guess the same. But... now it gets interesting: blocked by whom?
> China? North Korea?

Site owner, of course. (No)thanks to GDPR, it's easier for US site to
block any visitor from Europe than to comply with legal regulations.

Reco

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[tomas]

On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 09:32:01AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Tuesday 05 February 2019 08:42:01 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 07:58:11AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > > http://www.wvsto.com/Unclaimed-Property/Search-Claim
> >
> > It doesn't even connect for me. I lean even more strongly
> > towards incompetent web "programmers". Sigh.
> >
> > Cheers
> > -- t
> You're trying to access it from a .de domain? Probably blocked, although 
> I was alerted by a NY resident who wasn't blocked.

I'd guess the same. But... now it gets interesting: blocked by whom?
China? North Korea?

Hmmm.

Cheers
-- t


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Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 05 February 2019 08:42:01 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 07:58:11AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > http://www.wvsto.com/Unclaimed-Property/Search-Claim
>
> It doesn't even connect for me. I lean even more strongly
> towards incompetent web "programmers". Sigh.
>
> Cheers
> -- t
You're trying to access it from a .de domain? Probably blocked, although 
I was alerted by a NY resident who wasn't blocked.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[tomas]

On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 08:39:52AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Tuesday 05 February 2019 08:13:00 didier gaumet wrote:
[...]

> > - Java and Javascript are different things
> 
> I was using javascript as the keyword, and noscript is not installed.

That's what happens when mails cross in-flight ;-D

Cheers
-- t


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Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[tomas]

On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 08:00:40AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Tuesday 05 February 2019 05:55:32 deloptes wrote:
> 
> > to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > > Too little info to know really say something, but it seems that the
> > > web"masters" mis-typed some javascript: "URL" somewhere.

[...]

> I checked the about:config, no java related stuff is disabled.

As didier said, it's "javascript", not "java". A confusion which
is understandable in view of the similar names -- the similarity
is a marketing stunt by Netscape mid-90s for which we're still
paying through the nose :-(

By the way, you won't see anything javascript in your about:config,
you'll have to go to about:preferences and suffer a lecture by
your browser that you -- horrors! -- might be about breaking
something or that your cat might enter some Schrödinger state or
what not. Courtesy of the ever more rampant  infantilization of
browser user interfaces (or of software user interfaces in general).

The Wikipedia page on Javascript is recommended reading.

Cheers
-- t


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Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 05 February 2019 08:13:00 didier gaumet wrote:

> Le 05/02/2019 à 14:00, Gene Heskett a écrit :
> > I checked the about:config, no java related stuff is disabled.
> >
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett
>
> Hello Gene,
>
> - Java and Javascript are different things

I was using javascript as the keyword, and noscript is not installed.

> - If you have installed a Firefox extension like Noscript, it
> partially or totally disables scripts for certain languages, including
> Javascript - Have you installed Firefox from Mozilla or from the
> Wheezy repos? Firefox from Wheezy must be pretty old...

Wheezy repos. And it is old. Too many missing depends for a later 
version. I reinstalled a lot of stuff including the browsers, might be a 
little better this morning, the news videos aren't stalling as badly.


Cheers, Gene Heskett
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-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[tomas]

On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 07:58:11AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:

[...]

> http://www.wvsto.com/Unclaimed-Property/Search-Claim

It doesn't even connect for me. I lean even more strongly
towards incompetent web "programmers". Sigh.

Cheers
-- t


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Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Curt]

On 2019-02-05, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> The address wasn’t understood
>
> Firefox doesn’t know how to open this address, because one of the 
> following protocols (javascript) isn’t associated with any program or is 
> not allowed in this context.
>
> You might need to install other software to open this address.
>
> I am on the states unclaimed property site, entering a name. clicking on 
> the Search button gets the above quoted response.
>
> Thanks everybody.  
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett


 about:config

 network.protocol-handler.external.javascript ---> set to false (default)
 javascript.enabled ---> set to true (default)

If you haven't fiddled with those values, of course (user set), there
should be nothing to do and it's back to the drawing board, I guess.

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[didier gaumet]

Le 05/02/2019 à 14:00, Gene Heskett a écrit :

> I checked the about:config, no java related stuff is disabled.
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett

Hello Gene,

- Java and Javascript are different things
- If you have installed a Firefox extension like Noscript, it partially
or totally disables scripts for certain languages, including Javascript
- Have you installed Firefox from Mozilla or from the Wheezy repos?
Firefox from Wheezy must be pretty old...

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 05 February 2019 05:55:32 deloptes wrote:

> to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > Too little info to know really say something, but it seems that the
> > web"masters" mis-typed some javascript: "URL" somewhere.
> >
> > If you want anyone to help you debug it, you'd have to disclose the
> > page's URL.
>
> I was thinking he has disabled javascript in the browser or something
> similar.
I checked the about:config, no java related stuff is disabled.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 05 February 2019 04:59:58 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 04, 2019 at 07:19:26PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > The address wasn’t understood
> >
> > Firefox doesn’t know how to open this address, because one of the
> > following protocols (javascript) isn’t associated with any program
> > or is not allowed in this context.
> >
> > You might need to install other software to open this address.
>
> Too little info to know really say something, but it seems that the
> web"masters" mis-typed some javascript: "URL" somewhere.
>
> If you want anyone to help you debug it, you'd have to disclose the
> page's URL.
>
http://www.wvsto.com/Unclaimed-Property/Search-Claim

In the fwiw category, midori worked, but thats about all it could do, 
very crashy on most sites.

> Cheers
> -- tomás


Cheers, Gene Heskett
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-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[tomas]

On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 11:55:32AM +0100, deloptes wrote:
> to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> 
> > Too little info to know really say something, but it seems that the
> > web"masters" mis-typed some javascript: "URL" somewhere.
> > 
> > If you want anyone to help you debug it, you'd have to disclose the
> > page's URL.
> 
> I was thinking he has disabled javascript in the browser or something
> similar.

This sounds compelling, but... I'm here the one always disabling
Javascript by default and I haven't seen this strange message.
Ever. So... hmmm.

OTOH Web browsers are known to be non-deterministic, so there you
go ;-)

Cheers
-- t


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Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[deloptes]

to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> Too little info to know really say something, but it seems that the
> web"masters" mis-typed some javascript: "URL" somewhere.
> 
> If you want anyone to help you debug it, you'd have to disclose the
> page's URL.

I was thinking he has disabled javascript in the browser or something
similar.

Re: What am I missing that causes this error response from the wheezy mozilla?

[tomas]

On Mon, Feb 04, 2019 at 07:19:26PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> The address wasn’t understood
> 
> Firefox doesn’t know how to open this address, because one of the 
> following protocols (javascript) isn’t associated with any program or is 
> not allowed in this context.
> 
> You might need to install other software to open this address.

Too little info to know really say something, but it seems that the
web"masters" mis-typed some javascript: "URL" somewhere.

If you want anyone to help you debug it, you'd have to disclose the
page's URL.

Cheers
-- tomás


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