Re: Which window-manager for a kiosk?
new window is opened by the web site being visited, and I would prefer the window to just take the entire screen or at least not require manual placement. Try to look at larswm. -- Alexey Python is executable pseudocode, Perl is executable line-noise. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which window-manager for a kiosk?
Thanks for everyone's response. I think for now I'll stick with ICEWM, and just disable the Menu Bar, although this discussion gave me some food for thought, so I may change the setup in the future. Karsten M. Self wrote: - have galeon automatically restart if it exits How do I do this if I'm starting galeon from .xinitrc/.xsession? Thanks! Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which window-manager for a kiosk?
on Mon, Mar 25, 2002, Kent West ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Thanks for everyone's response. I think for now I'll stick with ICEWM, and just disable the Menu Bar, although this discussion gave me some food for thought, so I may change the setup in the future. Karsten M. Self wrote: - have galeon automatically restart if it exits How do I do this if I'm starting galeon from .xinitrc/.xsession? I'd start everything from /etc/inittab or, as last line of .xinitrc: while :; do galeon arguments; done Peace. -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of Gestalt don't you understand? Keep software free. Oppose the CBDTPA. Kill S.2048 dead. http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html pgpIB3wB5IbEk.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Which window-manager for a kiosk?
Karsten M. Self wrote: on Mon, Mar 25, 2002, Kent West ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Thanks for everyone's response. I think for now I'll stick with ICEWM, and just disable the Menu Bar, although this discussion gave me some food for thought, so I may change the setup in the future. Karsten M. Self wrote: - have galeon automatically restart if it exits How do I do this if I'm starting galeon from .xinitrc/.xsession? I'd start everything from /etc/inittab or, as last line of .xinitrc: while :; do galeon arguments; done That's great! Thanks! Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which window-manager for a kiosk?
also sprach Kent West [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.03.25.1748 +0100]: How do I do this if I'm starting galeon from .xinitrc/.xsession? while true; do galeon; done -- martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) \ echo mailto: !#^.*|tr * mailto:; [EMAIL PROTECTED] the well-bred contradict other people. the wise contradict themselves. -- oscar wilde pgpkR0TOnsksw.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Which window-manager for a kiosk?
On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 12:25:50PM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: Galeon, in full screen tabbed mode, with *no* window manager, would be my first choice. You need a window manager for Galeon fullscreen. If you get to a login screen, input moves to it. After you've logged in, you loose keyboard input to galeon. -- Danie Roux *shuffle* Adore Unix
Re: Which window-manager for a kiosk?
on Wed, Mar 20, 2002, Danie Roux ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 12:25:50PM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: Galeon, in full screen tabbed mode, with *no* window manager, would be my first choice. You need a window manager for Galeon fullscreen. If you get to a login screen, input moves to it. After you've logged in, you loose keyboard input to galeon. Sorry? /me switches to a console $ startx $( which galeon ) -- 1/dev/null 21 /me diddles with galeon for a while, including several login/auth sites with popups... ...works. If you're assuming authentication at the kiosk, you can handle that through an X display manager (xdm, gdm, wdm, etc.). But Galeon runs fine naked. Personally, I'd probably pick fvwm2 for this task -- you want a powerful, configurable, window manager. With fvwm2 you've got the options to set window decorations, etc., so you're not completely bare-ass naked, but you cna also configure virtually every part of the environment so that the user is effectively locked into their sandbox. Peace. -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.comhttp://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of Gestalt don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org pgpS690CMvnUL.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Which window-manager for a kiosk?
On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 11:41:35AM -0600, Kent West wrote: Which window manager will give me the ability to size/move/close/etc windows, but without the ability to start other programs, etc. I want a kiosk style setup, on a low-memory machine. ICEWM has that menu at the bottom with the Start menu, so it's unsuitable. I tried twm, but I have to manually place the default app (Galeon) when it starts or when a new window is opened by the web site being visited, and I would prefer the window to just take the entire screen or at least not require manual placement. Any suggestions? I used fvwm on our kiosks at work. I'm not sure what yours is going to be used for but ours loads netscape which is pointed to two internal web servers. We didn't want them to have the capability of size/move/etc so we overlayed all the buttons and such with graphics. At any rate you should be able to add or remove whatever buttons you want to windows, configure the root menus, etc under fvwm. It is light weight and highly configurable, not the most beautiful though:) Depending on your security needs you might want to look into running this in a chroot directory or use rbash. hth, kent -- To know the truth is to distort the Universe. Alfred N. Whitehead (adaptation)
Re: Which window-manager for a kiosk?
Kent == Kent West [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kent Any suggestions? sawfish. it's small, doesn't have a start menu type thing, and I think will place windows for you. it does pop up a menu when a certain key is pressed (mouse-2??) on the root window, which could allow for the launching of new programs. but it shouldn't be too hard to disable that, or strip the menus of any dangerous entries. you can usually configure the size and geometry of X programs by passing a -geometry argument on the command line. galleon or mozilla or whatever may not honor this, though. you might also want to think about disabling the normal control key sequence which can shutdown X. maybe you can change it to a secret key combination which shuts X down. I don't know how this is done. -- joe
Re: Which window-manager for a kiosk?
On 19-Mar-2002 Kent West wrote: Which window manager will give me the ability to size/move/close/etc windows, but without the ability to start other programs, etc. I want a kiosk style setup, on a low-memory machine. ICEWM has that menu at the bottom with the Start menu, so it's unsuitable. I tried twm, but I have to manually place the default app (Galeon) when it starts or when a new window is opened by the web site being visited, and I would prefer the window to just take the entire screen or at least not require manual placement. Any suggestions? Most window managers can have their menu removed with little effort.
Re: Which window-manager for a kiosk?
on Tue, Mar 19, 2002, Kent West ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Which window manager will give me the ability to size/move/close/etc windows, but without the ability to start other programs, etc. I want a kiosk style setup, on a low-memory machine. ICEWM has that menu at the bottom with the Start menu, so it's unsuitable. ICEWM is highly configurably IIRC. I tried twm, but I have to manually place the default app (Galeon) Nope. RTFM twm, search placement. Any suggestions? Galeon, in full screen tabbed mode, with *no* window manager, would be my first choice. Peace. -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.comhttp://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of Gestalt don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org pgptHGorXAABY.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Which window-manager for a kiosk?
On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Kent West wrote: Which window manager will give me the ability to size/move/close/etc windows, but without the ability to start other programs, etc. I want a kiosk style setup, on a low-memory machine. ICEWM has that menu at the bottom with the Start menu, so it's unsuitable. I tried twm, but I have to manually place the default app (Galeon) when it starts or when a new window is opened by the web site being visited, and I would prefer the window to just take the entire screen or at least not require manual placement. I use flwm on my Debian PowerPC Woody distro. Runs nice. You have to click on the desktop to bring up a menu for running programs. Of course, the title bar in on the left, not on top. Takes some getting used to, but I really like it. -- Paul F. Pearson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://home.hiwaay.net/~ppearson/ Lord heal our land. Father heal our land. Hear our cry and turn our nation back to You - Heal Our Land, _Magnify The Lord_ (Integrity Music)
Re: Which window-manager for a kiosk?
On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 11:41:35AM -0600, Kent West wrote: Which window manager will give me the ability to size/move/close/etc windows, but without the ability to start other programs, etc. I want a kiosk style setup, on a low-memory machine. ICEWM has that menu at the bottom with the Start menu, so it's unsuitable. I tried twm, but I have to manually place the default app (Galeon) when it starts or when a new window is opened by the web site being visited, and I would prefer the window to just take the entire screen or at least not require manual placement. Any suggestions? I suggest (all untested): - use no window manager - start galeon in fullscreen mode from .xinitrc or .xsession - map away the F11-Key with xmodmap - maybe disable C-A-F[1-12] - maybe disable C-A-Backspace - disable most mime stuff to prevent the start of external viewers - have galeon automatically restart if it exits That should keep the system quite closed. As I didn't test that, suggestions are welcome! Greets, Karsten -- Karsten Heymann [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] CAU-University Kiel, Germany Registered Linux User #221014 (http://counter.li.org)
Re: Which window-manager for a kiosk?
On Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:22:02 -0600 ktb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 11:41:35AM -0600, Kent West wrote: Which window manager will give me the ability to size/move/close/etc windows, but without the ability to start other programs, etc. I want a kiosk style setup, on a low-memory machine. ICEWM has that menu at the bottom with the Start menu, so it's unsuitable. I tried twm, but I you can disable that menu on icewm... install icepref and configure it for your needs []s! -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Gustavo Noronha http://www.metainfo.org/kov Debian: http://www.debian.org * http://debian-br.cipsga.org.br
Re: Which window-manager for a kiosk?
You can launch your startup app from /etc/inittab. I used to work for a company that installed kiosks, and this is how we did it. We ran our own app, not a browser, and our X needs were very minimal. No window manager, no windows except our one, no keyboard, no mouse (touchscreen only), etc. Just run X or startx or whatever right out of inittab, giving the app as the startup argument. The default runlevel put us in kiosk mode. If we wanted a more normal box, for maintenance or development, we'd switch runlevels. It worked very well. Best of luck, --Pete On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 10:19:44PM +0100, Karsten Heymann wrote: On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 11:41:35AM -0600, Kent West wrote: Which window manager will give me the ability to size/move/close/etc windows, but without the ability to start other programs, etc. I want a kiosk style setup, on a low-memory machine. ICEWM has that menu at the bottom with the Start menu, so it's unsuitable. I tried twm, but I have to manually place the default app (Galeon) when it starts or when a new window is opened by the web site being visited, and I would prefer the window to just take the entire screen or at least not require manual placement. Any suggestions? I suggest (all untested): - use no window manager - start galeon in fullscreen mode from .xinitrc or .xsession - map away the F11-Key with xmodmap - maybe disable C-A-F[1-12] - maybe disable C-A-Backspace - disable most mime stuff to prevent the start of external viewers - have galeon automatically restart if it exits That should keep the system quite closed. As I didn't test that, suggestions are welcome! Greets, Karsten
Re: Which window-manager for a kiosk?
On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Karsten Heymann wrote: - use no window manager - start galeon in fullscreen mode from .xinitrc or .xsession - map away the F11-Key with xmodmap - maybe disable C-A-F[1-12] - maybe disable C-A-Backspace - disable most mime stuff to prevent the start of external viewers - have galeon automatically restart if it exits Additionally, to save some trouble, you could just lock the keyboard in the kiosk so users only have mouse input. This assumes, of course, that you have no need for text input at this kiosk. -- Baloo
