Re: Why Debian 8.1 has no torrents beyond first 3 DVD ISO images
On 2015-06-15, Arno Schuring aelschur...@hotmail.com wrote: It probably would but it looks like the sources are on separate DVDs (in the [..]/current/source directory) so they wouldn't show up when grepping the amd64/list-dvd/ files. Either way you can verify the output by removing the postprocessing by the cut|sort|uniq pipes. Yes the sources are on separate DVDs (1-10), which makes sense. Also, FWIW, the debs are sorted by popularity (most popular on DVD 1, least popular on DVD 13, which actually should be DVD 14 like they do for high-rises). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/slrnmntk9s.36h.cu...@einstein.electron.org
Re: Why Debian 8.1 has no torrents beyond first 3 DVD ISO images
cu...@free.fr wrote: On 2015-06-15, Arno Schuring aelschur...@hotmail.com wrote: It probably would but it looks like the sources are on separate DVDs (in the [..]/current/source directory) so they wouldn't show up when grepping the amd64/list-dvd/ files. Either way you can verify the output by removing the postprocessing by the cut|sort|uniq pipes. Yes the sources are on separate DVDs (1-10), which makes sense. Also, FWIW, the debs are sorted by popularity (most popular on DVD 1, least popular on DVD 13, which actually should be DVD 14 like they do for high-rises). *grin* We have no plans to cater for the superstitious in our CD and DVD numbering schemese... -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com Further comment on how I feel about IBM will appear once I've worked out whether they're being malicious or incompetent. Capital letters are forecast. Matthew Garrett, http://www.livejournal.com/users/mjg59/30675.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/e1z4us6-jw...@mail.einval.com
RE: Why Debian 8.1 has no torrents beyond first 3 DVD ISO images
Hi,
From: cu...@free.fr
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 12:39:44 +
On 2015-06-14, Arno Schuring wrote:
$ wget
http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/list-dvd/debian-8.1.0-amd64-DVD-{1..13}.list.gz
[..]
$ zgrep -E '^(stumpwm|cl-ppcre|sbcl|gcl|mpd|gmpc|feh|libtheora0)_' * | cut
-d: -f1|sort|uniq
Wouldn't your regexp also match the sources packages?
It probably would, but it looks like the sources are on separate DVDs
(in the [..]/current/source directory), so they wouldn't show up when
grepping the amd64/list-dvd/ files. Either way, you can verify the
output by removing the postprocessing by the cut|sort|uniq pipes.
Regards,
Arno
Re: Why Debian 8.1 has no torrents beyond first 3 DVD ISO images
On 2015-06-14, Arno Schuring aelschur...@hotmail.com wrote:
You don't need the source packages nor the ones for architectures other
than your own.
Without having researched the question, is there a simple way
of knowing which dvds contain what (a package list or something)?
Yes, the list-cd/ and list-dvd/ subdirectories on the cdimage server:
$ wget
http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/list-dvd/debian-8.1.0-amd64-DVD-{1..13}.list.gz
[..]
$ zgrep -E '^(stumpwm|cl-ppcre|sbcl|gcl|mpd|gmpc|feh|libtheora0)_' * | cut
-d: -f1|sort|uniq
Wouldn't your regexp also match the sources packages?
debian-8.1.0-amd64-DVD-1.list.gz
debian-8.1.0-amd64-DVD-2.list.gz
debian-8.1.0-amd64-DVD-3.list.gz
debian-8.1.0-amd64-DVD-5.list.gz
debian-8.1.0-amd64-DVD-6.list.gz
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Re: Why Debian 8.1 has no torrents beyond first 3 DVD ISO images
arnuld uttre writes: Well, I need many packages which normal users don't use, like stumpwm, ppcre, sbcl, clisp, gcc, mpd, gmpc, feh, theora etc. I have used Debian Sarge (and in those days I only had CDs) and I noticed some package I wanted were only in last few CDs You don't need the source packages nor the ones for architectures other than your own. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/87r3pegowg@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: Why Debian 8.1 has no torrents beyond first 3 DVD ISO images
On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 10:41 PM, Andrew M.A. Cater amaca...@galactic.demon.co.uk wrote: You probably don't need all DVD images - the first three should be enough to build you a fairly complete Debian system. The other DVDs include all the other packages - 40,000 or so in total - that make up Debian but you may not need them all. Well, I need many packages which normal users don't use, like stumpwm, ppcre, sbcl, clisp, gcc, mpd, gmpc, feh, theora etc. I have used Debian Sarge (and in those days I only had CDs) and I noticed some package I wanted were only in last few CDs If you have reasonably fast network access available to you, you may be able to install using only the netinst CD and all other packages will then be downloaded from the 'Net. I don't have net. -- http://uttre.wordpress.com/ http://lispmachine.wordpress.com/2010/12/08/extract-of-programming/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cakryruvhok84-otq4qbdezu0nz_yo471uddapk7svwz2v8t...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Why Debian 8.1 has no torrents beyond first 3 DVD ISO images
On 2015-06-14, John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com wrote: arnuld uttre writes: Well, I need many packages which normal users don't use, like stumpwm, ppcre, sbcl, clisp, gcc, mpd, gmpc, feh, theora etc. I have used Debian Sarge (and in those days I only had CDs) and I noticed some package I wanted were only in last few CDs You don't need the source packages nor the ones for architectures other than your own. Without having researched the question, is there a simple way of knowing which dvds contain what (a package list or something)? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/slrnmnrgvq.2h0.cu...@einstein.electron.org
RE: Why Debian 8.1 has no torrents beyond first 3 DVD ISO images
From: cu...@free.fr
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2015 18:12:11 +
On 2015-06-14, John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com wrote:
arnuld uttre writes:
Well, I need many packages which normal users don't use, like stumpwm,
ppcre, sbcl, clisp, gcc, mpd, gmpc, feh, theora etc. I have used
Debian Sarge (and in those days I only had CDs) and I noticed some
package I wanted were only in last few CDs
You don't need the source packages nor the ones for architectures other
than your own.
Without having researched the question, is there a simple way
of knowing which dvds contain what (a package list or something)?
Yes, the list-cd/ and list-dvd/ subdirectories on the cdimage server:
$ wget
http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/list-dvd/debian-8.1.0-amd64-DVD-{1..13}.list.gz
[..]
$ zgrep -E '^(stumpwm|cl-ppcre|sbcl|gcl|mpd|gmpc|feh|libtheora0)_' * | cut -d:
-f1|sort|uniq
debian-8.1.0-amd64-DVD-1.list.gz
debian-8.1.0-amd64-DVD-2.list.gz
debian-8.1.0-amd64-DVD-3.list.gz
debian-8.1.0-amd64-DVD-5.list.gz
debian-8.1.0-amd64-DVD-6.list.gz
Regards,
Arno
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Re: Why Debian 8.1 has no torrents beyond first 3 DVD ISO images
arnuld uttre wrote: I wanted to download all Debian 8.1 DVD images at my friend's place because I don't have net at home. but all I see are 3 DVD ISO images available on Have you considered using apt-offline? apt-cache show apt-offline apt-offline is an Offline APT Package Manager. apt-offline can fully update and upgrade an APT based distribution without connecting to the network, all of it transparent to APT. apt-offline can be used to generate a signature on a machine (with no network). This signature contains all download information required for the APT database system. This signature file can be used on another machine connected to the internet (which need not be a Debian box and can even be running windows) to download the updates. The downloaded data will contain all updates in a format understood by APT and this data can be used by apt-offline to update the non-networked machine. apt-offline can also fetch bug reports and make them available offline. It would take some sneakernet trips back and forth with a portable storage medium such as a USB storage device or some such but that would be a possibility. Can get security updates and so forth that way. torrents, where as jigdo has available 13 DVD images: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.1.0/amd64/bt-dvd/ http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.1.0/amd64/jigdo-dvd/ Yes. All of the DVDs images are available. It is only that Debvian is not hosting them as iso images on their download site. It is a problem of mirror site disk space and bandwidth. Mirror sites do not have infinite disk space nor infinite bandwidth. There is a cost to everything. At some point there isn't enough space nor bandwidth nor the associated actual cost of hosting them. Mirrors would stop hosting Debian if it grew without bounds. Therefore compromises must be made. The very little used images are not hosted. It is very unusual for anyone to need or to use those images. However they are available and you can create them for yourself very easily. If you desire any or all of the 13 DVD set for amd64 then they are available for very easy creation using jigdo-lite. Here is an example. # apt-get install jigdo-file $ mkdir jigdo-stuff $ cd jigdo-stuff $ jigdo-lite --noask http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.1.0/amd64/jigdo-dvd/debian-8.1.0-amd64-DVD-1.jigdo ...lots of output and some minutes of time... OK: Checksums match, image is good! real24m14.239s user1m23.772s sys 1m9.412s $ ls -ldog -rw-rw-r-- 1 3994091520 Jun 14 12:38 debian-8.1.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso -rw-rw-r-- 1 3.8G Jun 14 12:38 debian-8.1.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso That took me 24 minutes using a fast local mirror on GigE. Pulling 3.8 Gig off a slower WAN would take considerably longer. My friend keeps the DVD image torrent (in Deluge) on his computer when he sleeps and it is downloaded by morning. Kind of hassle-free download on torrents because his connection keeps on breaking/disconnecting every few hours all the time. But I can not find more than 3 DVD images on torrent. What can I do ? I don't know of any other way than to run jigdo to build the DVD image. Therefore your friend would need to be able to run it on their computer or you would need to to be able to leave a portable machine such as a laptop with enough disk space. I don't know if there is a way to run jigdo on a Windows machine for example. Temporarily leaving a laptop there would allow you to have control over the download. Note that the entirety of the disk space is pretty large. 4G times 13 DVD images is 50 plus Gig of data to download. If I were heading to an Antartic station where access to the Internet is a precious thing I would definitely download the entire set. If I were using sneakernet to get data across town I would probably try apt-offline and see if it could be used to download just what was needed. Good luck! Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Why Debian 8.1 has no torrents beyond first 3 DVD ISO images
On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 09:45:24PM +0530, arnuld uttre wrote: Hi All, I wanted to download all Debian 8.1 DVD images at my friend's place because I don't have net at home. but all I see are 3 DVD ISO images available on torrents, where as jigdo has available 13 DVD images: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.1.0/amd64/bt-dvd/ http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.1.0/amd64/jigdo-dvd/ My friend keeps the DVD image torrent (in Deluge) on his computer when he sleeps and it is downloaded by morning. Kind of hassle-free download on torrents because his connection keeps on breaking/disconnecting every few hours all the time. But I can not find more than 3 DVD images on torrent. What can I do ? Thanks Arnuld -- http://uttre.wordpress.com/ http://lispmachine.wordpress.com/2010/12/08/extract-of-programming/ You probably don't need all DVD images - the first three should be enough to build you a fairly complete Debian system. The other DVDs include all the other packages - 40,000 or so in total - that make up Debian but you may not need them all. To save space, only the first few DVDs are generated and stored now: if you _REALLY_ want the others to be torrented, you will need to find someone to make the images first - using the .jigdo fies - and then torrent them. FAQ alert: If you have reasonably fast network access available to you, you may be able to install using only the netinst CD and all other packages will then be downloaded from the 'Net. /FAQ alert All the very best, AndyC -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150614171159.ga4...@galactic.demon.co.uk
Re: Why Debian 8.1 has no torrents beyond first 3 DVD ISO images
On Sun, 2015-06-14 at 18:12 +, Curt wrote: Without having researched the question, is there a simple way of knowing which dvds contain what (a package list or something)? Not a list, but this is handy: http://cdimage-search.debian.org/ -- Cheers, Sven Arvidsson http://www.whiz.se PGP Key ID 6FAB5CD5 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
