Re: X,Netscape,Mozilla - x locking hard
On Sun, Sep 17, 2000 at 05:27:58PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > "Kevin C. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Looking for solutions to X locking hard. > > > >While using Netscape 4.75, usually when scrolling, X lock and I can > >only reset the computer. > > Ctrl-Alt-F1 doesn't help? (I'm willing to believe it doesn't - just > checking.) > > >I run Debian "Woody" however this problem has been around for me since > >"Potato" first went frozen and I starting using that. > > > >Video card is a Voodoo3 2000 it that helps. > > I'm running unstable, with the same graphics card, and don't have this > problem. What X server are you using? (I'm using XF86_SVGA.) Oops, forgot to answer this is last reply. I am also using XF86_SVGA. Occording to most of reading that xserver should work fine with the card, however something is wrong. > > -- > Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- > Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null >
Re: X,Netscape,Mozilla - x locking hard
On Sun, Sep 17, 2000 at 05:27:58PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > "Kevin C. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Looking for solutions to X locking hard. > > > >While using Netscape 4.75, usually when scrolling, X lock and I can > >only reset the computer. > > Ctrl-Alt-F1 doesn't help? (I'm willing to believe it doesn't - just > checking.) Wish it did, but no. Crl-Alt-Backspace doesn't work either. "Only" pushing reset gets me out ;(. > > >I run Debian "Woody" however this problem has been around for me since > >"Potato" first went frozen and I starting using that. > > > >Video card is a Voodoo3 2000 it that helps. > > I'm running unstable, with the same graphics card, and don't have this > problem. What X server are you using? (I'm using XF86_SVGA.) > > -- > Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- > Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null >
Re: X,Netscape,Mozilla - x locking hard
On Sat, Sep 16, 2000 at 09:51:44PM -0700, Nate Amsden wrote: > "Kevin C. Smith" wrote: > > > > Looking for solutions to X locking hard. > > > > While using Netscape 4.75, usually when scrolling, X lock and I can only > > reset > > the computer. I occasionally happens when selecting a link. Mozilla M17 also > > will lock X hard while scrolling, however lately it has been more likely to > > just crash leaving X running fine. I no longer use GnuCash because X also > > locks > > hard while using it. > > > > I run Debian "Woody" however this problem has been around for me since > > "Potato" > > first went frozen and I starting using that. > > > > Video card is a Voodoo3 2000 it that helps. > > how much memory and swap you got ? run 'free' to see .. > > nate > > -- > ::: > ICQ: 75132336 > http://www.aphroland.org/ > http://www.linuxpowered.net/ > [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have 128 MB for memory, and 128.5 in swap. Kevin C. Smith
Re: X,Netscape,Mozilla - x locking hard
"Kevin C. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Looking for solutions to X locking hard. > >While using Netscape 4.75, usually when scrolling, X lock and I can >only reset the computer. Ctrl-Alt-F1 doesn't help? (I'm willing to believe it doesn't - just checking.) >I run Debian "Woody" however this problem has been around for me since >"Potato" first went frozen and I starting using that. > >Video card is a Voodoo3 2000 it that helps. I'm running unstable, with the same graphics card, and don't have this problem. What X server are you using? (I'm using XF86_SVGA.) -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X, netscape
> now i am getting very, very annoyed. with all the talk about how stable > etc. debian is then i try it and all the claims are invalid. first with > the default everything on X etc. mozilla comes up with errors (actually > they are X errors, like "error invalid ButtonX call" etc. you get the Debian is stable. Mozilla isn't, it will crash. It isn't finished yet. But here is the difference from real unstable systems such as windows: Mozilla won't take other programs with it when it dies! It won't kill your machine at all, no matter how many times you crash it! You can crash mozilla a hundred times and your other programs will still be running. No os will run a unfinished app in a stable way, but a stable os should not get in trouble just because some half-finished program does its worst. So, debian is stable. You don't have to reboot just because the machine has been running two weeks (or years) continuously. It won't degrade with time, it won't fall over from running a pile of big programs. There is a netscape 4.5 compiled for libc6. Get that instead of mozilla. It works much better, although it will die occationally. You just restart it in such cases, it doesn't happen often enough to be annoying. Helge Hafting
Re: X, netscape
On 1999-05-02 14:47, Anonymous Coward wrote: > now i am getting very, very annoyed. with all the talk about how stable > etc. debian is then i try it and all the claims are invalid. I would like to point out that mozilla is just one package out of the 2500+ debian packages available. You are of course free to draw any conclusion you want. > first with the default everything on X etc. mozilla comes up with > errors (actually they are X errors, like "error invalid ButtonX > call" etc. you get the idea). on mozilla also i can not hit enter > in the location box to goto a page, i must do file:open. so then i > use dselect to get a newer version of navigator to see if it'll > solve the problems i find out i have to d/l the archive i do that ( > i d/led ver. 4.51) and installed it etc. only to get an error about > missing libraries when netscape starts up Communicator is made available by Netscape and they choose to depend on certain libraries. You're probably missing the xpm4.7 package (well documented in the mailing list archives at http://www.debian.org). /Allan P.S. I will advise a positive attitude for maxium support from the Debian community. -- Allan M. Wind Phone: 781.938.5272 (home) 687 Main Street, 2nd Floor Fax:781.938.6641 (fax/modem) Woburn, MA 01801Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home)
Re: X, netscape
On Sun, 2 May 1999, Anonymous Coward wrote: Hi, All I can say to you is to calm down and download the glibc2 version of netscape then you won't get those library problms. By the way Debian is a very good distribution. But it's a little bit hard to get started with it. Don't worry it is extremely stable. I have been running it for five months and not one crash! Good luck Robert > now i am getting very, very annoyed. with all the talk about how stable > etc. debian is then i try it and all the claims are invalid. first with > the default everything on X etc. mozilla comes up with errors (actually > they are X errors, like "error invalid ButtonX call" etc. you get the > idea). on mozilla also i can not hit enter in the location box to goto > a page, i must do file:open. so then i use dselect to get a newer > version of navigator to see if it'll solve the problems i find out i > have to d/l the archive i do that ( i d/led ver. 4.51) and installed it > etc. only to get an error about missing libraries when netscape starts > up i've had library errors on the other distro's so this was one > reason i wanted to try debian. from expierence i know that ldconfig > sometimes works although i have no idea why (it worked on SuSE one time > when i upgraded GTK). is this a normal thing on slink (an official > CD-ROM ordered from cheapbytes)? will upgrading X help? man how do i > fix these errors? man without netscape linux really is useless for a > home user > > > -- > Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null > > --- Robert Horvath Technical University of Budapest
Re: X, netscape
Anonymous Coward wrote:
>
> now i am getting very, very annoyed. with all the talk about how stable
> etc. debian is then i try it and all the claims are invalid. first with
> the default everything on X etc. mozilla comes up with errors (actually
> they are X errors, like "error invalid ButtonX call" etc. you get the
> idea). on mozilla also i can not hit enter in the location box to goto
How stable Debian is depends largely on the kind of software you
use. Debian as a server OS (without any of the end-user type of
software) is very stable. You are attempting to use software that
is either still under heavy development and *not* ready for
primetime (Mozilla) or is known to have problems that haven't been
fixed by the commercial owner (Netscape).
> a page, i must do file:open. so then i use dselect to get a newer
> version of navigator to see if it'll solve the problems i find out i
> have to d/l the archive i do that ( i d/led ver. 4.51) and installed it
> etc. only to get an error about missing libraries when netscape starts
> up i've had library errors on the other distro's so this was one
> reason i wanted to try debian. from expierence i know that ldconfig
> sometimes works although i have no idea why (it worked on SuSE one time
> when i upgraded GTK). is this a normal thing on slink (an official
> CD-ROM ordered from cheapbytes)? will upgrading X help? man how do i
> fix these errors? man without netscape linux really is useless for a
> home user
Most distros, I suspect, don't install the old libc5 library by
default. Either use the Debianized package of Netscape from slink
(maybe only potato?) which is libc6, or download the libc6 version
from ftp.netscape.com ('unsupported' dir tree, and use the old
netscape4 installer), or install the libc5 stuff from the oldlibs
section in dselect (libc5, xlib6, xpm4.7) to get the libc5 version
you already have working.
Using the Debianized package is strongly encouraged. It isn't
easy, though, because of a number of 'base' packages that need to
be installed first. Select the package which has the Netscape
binary (communicator-smotif-451, for example) and use the
subsequent dependency screen to select the other packages that are
needed.
--
Ed C.
Re: X, netscape
Anonymous Coward wrote: > now i am getting very, very annoyed. with all the talk about how stable > etc. debian is then i try it and all the claims are invalid you are absolutely right and should switch to RedHat. -- dyer
Re: X, netscape
You almost certainly broke something. Netscape works fine on several different systems here. In fact it works great because of the magic wrapper scripts Debian installs. I suggest reading: http://www.debian.org/~hp/tutorial/debian-tutorial.html/ch-docs.html#s-docs-support then asking again. In particular, include the *exact error messages* and the dpkg --status output for relevant packages (e.g. Netscape). Without these details all we can say is "works for us." Havoc
Re: X, netscape
On Sun, May 02, 1999 at 02:47:09PM -0400, Anonymous Coward wrote: > man without netscape linux really is useless for a > home user # apt-get install lynx Ciao, Illo. -- Ilario Nardinocchi, [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Computer Science Adept since 1982 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Know-nothing-bozo rule: The views expressed above are entirely mine and do not represent the views, policy or understanding of any other person or official body.
