Re: XServer Randomly restarting

2005-06-20 Thread Mr Mike
On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 04:06:07 -0500
Mr Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 02:50:52 -0400
 Ryan Schultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  On Saturday 18 June 2005 11:57 pm, Mr Mike wrote:
   A while back I was running a pure sarge system with several upgrades from
   the sid branch..  At some point my X Server began to 'restart' on it's own
   for no real apparent rhyme or reason.  ie, the action that triggered the
   restart one session could not always be duplicated in another one... 
   Simple things like clinking the 'x' to close the window or clicking the
   background to bring up a menu.  Like I said, really random and
   unpredictable.  I've looked in xsession error log, syslog, messages, etc..
   and NOT a damn thing...  it's as if some invisible soul is lurking over my
   shoulder and pressing ctl+alt+bkspace every now and then just to piss me
   off...  One good thing to come of this is I've learned to save my work 
   much
   more frequently...
  
   Anyway...  I'm now running a mixed ubuntu/sarge (mostly sarge) box and the
   issue remains although not as bad as in the past.  Is there some way I can
   figure out what in the world is causing this so I can formulate a
   resolution?  Or, is there something else I should look at, like hardware
   problems?
  
   TIA..
   mike..
   houston, tx
  
  Binary nVidia drivers with ' Option  RenderAccel   true ' 
  in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, by any chance? I've seen it cause almost 
  identical 
  behavior in the past...
  
  -- 
  Ryan Schultz
  - floating point exception: divide by cucumber
  
 
 Thanks Ryan, I wasnt' sure if i was using binary driver for video card or 
 not..  took a look at xconfig and this is it..  
 
 Section Monitor
 Identifier  GATEWAY VX900
 HorizSync   30-95
 VertRefresh 50-160   
 Option  DPMS
 EndSection
 
 Search didn't turn up RenderAccel anywhere in the file either...
 Thanks for the hint...  will try to keep it in mind for future reference...  
 (like right..  along with the other 14 billion bits of linux stuff we're 
 expected to learn.. LOL..)
 
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Stupid cut/paste.. :-(
here's the REAL deal from XF86Config-4

Section Device
Identifier  NVIDIA Corporation NV11 [GeForce2 MX/MX 400]
Driver  nv
BusID   PCI:1:5:0
VideoRam32768
EndSection

btw...  been having some real trouble keeping up with my mail due to a serious 
family illness...  but workin on it when I can...  This is really a true 
annoyance but not critical..  i've been living with it for a while now and some 
days it won't do it at all..  Go figure..  Anyway... I don't want to let it 
fester and have all intentions of trackin it down and puttin the nasty little 
thing to rest...  Just bear with my slow responses...

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Re: XServer Randomly restarting

2005-06-19 Thread Ryan Schultz
On Saturday 18 June 2005 11:57 pm, Mr Mike wrote:
 A while back I was running a pure sarge system with several upgrades from
 the sid branch..  At some point my X Server began to 'restart' on it's own
 for no real apparent rhyme or reason.  ie, the action that triggered the
 restart one session could not always be duplicated in another one... 
 Simple things like clinking the 'x' to close the window or clicking the
 background to bring up a menu.  Like I said, really random and
 unpredictable.  I've looked in xsession error log, syslog, messages, etc..
 and NOT a damn thing...  it's as if some invisible soul is lurking over my
 shoulder and pressing ctl+alt+bkspace every now and then just to piss me
 off...  One good thing to come of this is I've learned to save my work much
 more frequently...

 Anyway...  I'm now running a mixed ubuntu/sarge (mostly sarge) box and the
 issue remains although not as bad as in the past.  Is there some way I can
 figure out what in the world is causing this so I can formulate a
 resolution?  Or, is there something else I should look at, like hardware
 problems?

 TIA..
 mike..
 houston, tx

Binary nVidia drivers with ' Option  RenderAccel   true ' 
in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, by any chance? I've seen it cause almost identical 
behavior in the past...

-- 
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- floating point exception: divide by cucumber


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Re: XServer Randomly restarting

2005-06-19 Thread Mr Mike
On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 23:33:37 -0500
Kent West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Mr Mike wrote:
 
 At some point my X Server began to 'restart' on it's own for no real 
 apparent rhyme or reason.  ie, the action that triggered the restart one 
 session could not always be duplicated in another one...  Simple things like 
 clinking the 'x' to close the window or clicking the background to bring up 
 a menu.  Like I said, really random and unpredictable.
   
 
 My gut instinct is memory or overheating. memtest would be in order
 for the RAM; temp monitoring utilities might be in order for the heating.
 

It could be the cpu (maybe)...  I 'did' have a terrible memory stick and didn't 
know it but has since been replaced and did full memtest (all 9 of them) on it 
just about 5 days or so ago because I just wanted to make sure the memory 
hadn't gone bad again..  If I can't blame it on something else, I'll try 
upgrading CPU and see if that helps any...  


Cheers: Mike

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Re: XServer Randomly restarting

2005-06-19 Thread Mr Mike
On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 00:29:46 -0400
Marty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Mr Mike wrote:
  A while back I was running a pure sarge system with several upgrades from 
  the sid branch..  At some point my X Server began to 'restart' on it's own 
  for no real apparent rhyme or reason.  ie, the action that triggered the 
  restart one session could not always be duplicated in another one...  
  Simple things like clinking the 'x' to close the window or clicking the 
  background to bring up a menu.  Like I said, really random and 
  unpredictable.  I've looked in xsession error log, syslog, messages, etc.. 
  and NOT a damn thing...  it's as if some invisible soul is lurking over my 
  shoulder and pressing ctl+alt+bkspace every now and then just to piss me 
  off...  One good thing to come of this is I've learned to save my work much 
  more frequently...
  
  Anyway...  I'm now running a mixed ubuntu/sarge (mostly sarge) box and the 
  issue remains although not as bad as in the past.  Is there some way I can 
  figure out what in the world is causing this so I can formulate a 
  resolution?  Or, is there something else I should look at, like hardware 
  problems?
  
  TIA..
  mike..
  houston, tx
  
  
 
 You don't give any information about your system, so it's highly
 unlikely that anyone will be able to troubleshoot for you.  In lieu
 of waiting for specific questions, some commands that may give useful
 output are:
 
 lspci
 dpkg -l |grep xfree
 cat /etc/X11/XFConfig-4
 uname -a
 zcat /proc/config.gz
 
 (Edit the information as appropriate and according to your knowledge
 of the usefulness of the data.  I think more is better but list
 conventions vary regarding large postings.  You might check the FAQ
 for protocol for posting large files or attachments.)
 
 
Actually I had no idea what would be relevant and absolutely no idea where to 
even start..  Thanks for the help... I'll look into these and see if there's 
anything noteworthy..

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Re: XServer Randomly restarting

2005-06-19 Thread Mr Mike
On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 02:50:52 -0400
Ryan Schultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Saturday 18 June 2005 11:57 pm, Mr Mike wrote:
  A while back I was running a pure sarge system with several upgrades from
  the sid branch..  At some point my X Server began to 'restart' on it's own
  for no real apparent rhyme or reason.  ie, the action that triggered the
  restart one session could not always be duplicated in another one... 
  Simple things like clinking the 'x' to close the window or clicking the
  background to bring up a menu.  Like I said, really random and
  unpredictable.  I've looked in xsession error log, syslog, messages, etc..
  and NOT a damn thing...  it's as if some invisible soul is lurking over my
  shoulder and pressing ctl+alt+bkspace every now and then just to piss me
  off...  One good thing to come of this is I've learned to save my work much
  more frequently...
 
  Anyway...  I'm now running a mixed ubuntu/sarge (mostly sarge) box and the
  issue remains although not as bad as in the past.  Is there some way I can
  figure out what in the world is causing this so I can formulate a
  resolution?  Or, is there something else I should look at, like hardware
  problems?
 
  TIA..
  mike..
  houston, tx
 
 Binary nVidia drivers with ' Option  RenderAccel   true ' 
 in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, by any chance? I've seen it cause almost identical 
 behavior in the past...
 
 -- 
 Ryan Schultz
 - floating point exception: divide by cucumber
 

Thanks Ryan, I wasnt' sure if i was using binary driver for video card or not.. 
 took a look at xconfig and this is it..  

Section Monitor
Identifier  GATEWAY VX900
HorizSync   30-95
VertRefresh 50-160   
Option  DPMS
EndSection

Search didn't turn up RenderAccel anywhere in the file either...
Thanks for the hint...  will try to keep it in mind for future reference...  
(like right..  along with the other 14 billion bits of linux stuff we're 
expected to learn.. LOL..)

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Re: XServer Randomly restarting

2005-06-19 Thread Kent West
Mr Mike wrote:

On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 02:50:52 -0400
Ryan Schultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  

On Saturday 18 June 2005 11:57 pm, Mr Mike wrote:


A while back I was running a pure sarge system with several upgrades from
the sid branch..  At some point my X Server began to 'restart' on it's own
for no real apparent rhyme or reason.  ie, the action that triggered the
restart one session could not always be duplicated in another one... 
Simple things like clinking the 'x' to close the window or clicking the
background to bring up a menu.  Like I said, really random and
unpredictable.  I've looked in xsession error log, syslog, messages, etc..
and NOT a damn thing...  it's as if some invisible soul is lurking over my
shoulder and pressing ctl+alt+bkspace every now and then just to piss me
off...  One good thing to come of this is I've learned to save my work much
more frequently...

Anyway...  I'm now running a mixed ubuntu/sarge (mostly sarge) box and the
issue remains although not as bad as in the past.  Is there some way I can
figure out what in the world is causing this so I can formulate a
resolution?  Or, is there something else I should look at, like hardware
problems?

TIA..
mike..
houston, tx
  

Binary nVidia drivers with ' Option  RenderAccel   true ' 
in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, by any chance? I've seen it cause almost identical 
behavior in the past...

-- 
Ryan Schultz
- floating point exception: divide by cucumber




Thanks Ryan, I wasnt' sure if i was using binary driver for video card or 
not..  took a look at xconfig and this is it..  

Section Monitor
Identifier  GATEWAY VX900
HorizSync   30-95
VertRefresh 50-160   
Option  DPMS
EndSection

Search didn't turn up RenderAccel anywhere in the file either...
  

That's the Monitor section. Ryan's suggesting you look at the Device
section, like so:

Section Device
Identifier  ATI Rage 128
Driver  ati
BusID   PCI:01:0:0
EndSection

If you have an nVidia card, your driver is likely to be either nVidia
or nv (IIRC) rather than an ati (or something else) as in the above
case.

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Re: XServer Randomly restarting

2005-06-19 Thread Cybe R. Wizard
On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 04:06:07 -0500
Mr Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Section Monitor
 Identifier  GATEWAY VX900
 HorizSync   30-95
 VertRefresh 50-160   
 Option  DPMS
 EndSection
 
 Search didn't turn up RenderAccel anywhere in the file either...
 Thanks for the hint...  will try to keep it in mind for future
 reference...  (like right..  along with the other 14 billion bits of
 linux stuff we're expected to learn.. LOL..)
 
Um, that's the monitor section of your file, not the video card section,
isn't it?  

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Re: XServer Randomly restarting

2005-06-19 Thread Kent West
Mr Mike wrote:

On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 00:29:46 -0400
Marty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  

Mr Mike wrote:


At some point my X Server began to 'restart' on it's own for no real 
apparent rhyme or reason.
  

You don't give any information about your system, so it's highly
unlikely that anyone will be able to troubleshoot for you.  In lieu
of waiting for specific questions, some commands that may give useful
output are:

lspci
dpkg -l |grep xfree
cat /etc/X11/XFConfig-4
uname -a
zcat /proc/config.gz


Actually I had no idea what would be relevant and absolutely no idea where to 
even start..  Thanks for the help... I'll look into these and see if there's 
anything noteworthy..
  

He means that you should list the video-related (and other-related?)
stuff that results from the command lspci.

He's looking for version information of X with the dpkg command.

He's looking for the contents of your X config file.

He's looking for your kernel version with the uname command.

I'm unsure what he's trying to accomplish with the zcat command; I find
no config.gz file in my /proc directory.

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Re: XServer Randomly restarting

2005-06-19 Thread charlie derr

Kent West wrote:


Mr Mike wrote:
snip
 


Actually I had no idea what would be relevant and absolutely no idea where to 
even start..  Thanks for the help... I'll look into these and see if there's 
anything noteworthy..


   


snip
 




I'm unsure what he's trying to accomplish with the zcat command; I find
no config.gz file in my /proc directory
 

If you set the proper option when building your kernel, it will put a 
gzipped kernel configuration here (so it turns out to be a great way to 
get the configuration for how the currently running kernel was build).


   ~c


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Re: XServer Randomly restarting

2005-06-19 Thread Marty

Kent West wrote:

Here's another that might be useful (it will list all installed modules):

lsmod


I'm unsure what he's trying to accomplish with the zcat command; I find
no config.gz file in my /proc directory.



That shows the kernel configuration in recent kernels using that option.
If that doesn't work try cat /boot/config (IIRC).

Unless this type of basic system information is known, it will be very
hard for list members to even formulate useful questions about the failure.



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Re: XServer Randomly restarting

2005-06-19 Thread Marty

Mr Mike wrote:

Thanks Ryan, I wasnt' sure if i was using binary driver for video card or not..  took a look at xconfig and this is it..  


Section Monitor
Identifier  GATEWAY VX900
HorizSync   30-95
VertRefresh 50-160   
Option  DPMS

EndSection

Search didn't turn up RenderAccel anywhere in the file either...
Thanks for the hint...  will try to keep it in mind for future reference...  
(like right..  along with the other 14 billion bits of linux stuff we're 
expected to learn.. LOL..)



Ideally you should not have to learn or remember anything just to use
the X graphical interface.

I've changed my mind about one thing -- instead of selectively posting
your system information, please post all of it here and let list
readers decide what's relevant or not.


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Re: XServer Randomly restarting

2005-06-18 Thread Marty

Mr Mike wrote:

A while back I was running a pure sarge system with several upgrades from the 
sid branch..  At some point my X Server began to 'restart' on it's own for no 
real apparent rhyme or reason.  ie, the action that triggered the restart one 
session could not always be duplicated in another one...  Simple things like 
clinking the 'x' to close the window or clicking the background to bring up a 
menu.  Like I said, really random and unpredictable.  I've looked in xsession 
error log, syslog, messages, etc.. and NOT a damn thing...  it's as if some 
invisible soul is lurking over my shoulder and pressing ctl+alt+bkspace every 
now and then just to piss me off...  One good thing to come of this is I've 
learned to save my work much more frequently...

Anyway...  I'm now running a mixed ubuntu/sarge (mostly sarge) box and the 
issue remains although not as bad as in the past.  Is there some way I can 
figure out what in the world is causing this so I can formulate a resolution?  
Or, is there something else I should look at, like hardware problems?

TIA..
mike..
houston, tx




You don't give any information about your system, so it's highly
unlikely that anyone will be able to troubleshoot for you.  In lieu
of waiting for specific questions, some commands that may give useful
output are:

lspci
dpkg -l |grep xfree
cat /etc/X11/XFConfig-4
uname -a
zcat /proc/config.gz

(Edit the information as appropriate and according to your knowledge
of the usefulness of the data.  I think more is better but list
conventions vary regarding large postings.  You might check the FAQ
for protocol for posting large files or attachments.)


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Re: XServer Randomly restarting

2005-06-18 Thread Kent West
Mr Mike wrote:

At some point my X Server began to 'restart' on it's own for no real apparent 
rhyme or reason.  ie, the action that triggered the restart one session could 
not always be duplicated in another one...  Simple things like clinking the 
'x' to close the window or clicking the background to bring up a menu.  Like I 
said, really random and unpredictable.
  

My gut instinct is memory or overheating. memtest would be in order
for the RAM; temp monitoring utilities might be in order for the heating.

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