Re: reliable editting of any PDF file
On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 02:28:00PM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 01:58:39PM -0500, Brian McKee wrote: Note that pdf has advanced features that are often used in trade documents like embedded video and search indexes that nothing but Adobe's Reader will do... (I keep checking) And likely nothing but full-blown Acrobat writer will write. There are Reader permissions to annotate but AFAIR only with the latest Acrobat v 1.7, which have to have been enabled by the author using the Arobat Pro application. But yes one can annotate with the free Reader, if a specific PDF is such enabled. -- Regards, S.D.Allen - Toronto http://sda2.freeshell.org GPG Key fingerprint: 7E6D 855D 8C03 15E4 1B12 2418 A71C 96CD 6843 1C91 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: reliable editting of any PDF file
On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 13:19 + Stephen Allen wrote: There are Reader permissions to annotate but AFAIR only with the latest Acrobat v 1.7, which have to have been enabled by the author using the Arobat Pro application. But yes one can annotate with the free Reader, if a specific PDF is such enabled. I just came across Multivalent, which looks like something the OP is looking for. Haven't tried it though. http://multivalent.sourceforge.net/ Excerpts from this site: - Natively view HTML, PDF, TeX DVI, man pages, and other document formats - Annotate in situ on all formats, robustly anchored - Notemarks Annotations All document formats can be annotated. highlight, of different colors hyperlink and anchors note — editable text in a moveable, resizable window. Notes can themselves be annotated. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: reliable editting of any PDF file
On 14 Feb 2008, at 08:23, Dotan Cohen wrote: On 14/02/2008, Tadeusz Bak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can annotate PDF files in free *Acrobat Reader* (I am using Debian package, version 8.1.2) and all annotations are saved in the same PDF file. However, some flag in the PDF file must be enabled first to allow such annotations, and this can be done only in non-free *Acrobat* (not Acrobat Reader). I don't know about any free tools to enable PDF for annotations. Greetings, Tad Here, I just found this tool on LifeHacker. It might do just what to OP needs: http://lifehacker.com/355860/fill-out-pdf-forms-online-with-pdfescape The first PDF I tried with pdfEscape and I got told it was too bit for their 1Mb limit :( -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: reliable editting of any PDF file
On 14/02/2008, Tadeusz Bak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can annotate PDF files in free *Acrobat Reader* (I am using Debian package, version 8.1.2) and all annotations are saved in the same PDF file. However, some flag in the PDF file must be enabled first to allow such annotations, and this can be done only in non-free *Acrobat* (not Acrobat Reader). I don't know about any free tools to enable PDF for annotations. Greetings, Tad Here, I just found this tool on LifeHacker. It might do just what to OP needs: http://lifehacker.com/355860/fill-out-pdf-forms-online-with-pdfescape Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: reliable editting of any PDF file
On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 22:00:32 + Wackojacko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: michael wrote: On Wed, 2008-02-13 at 14:41 +, Chris Lale wrote: snip trying to install acroread from debian-multimedia The following packages have unmet dependencies. acroread-l10n-en: Depends: acroread (= 8.1.2-0.0) but it is not installable E: Broken packages [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ I'm running Debian Etch on AMD64 arch. Thanks, Michael Acroread is not available for AMD64, you will need to run a 32 bit chroot environment. Its fairly easy to set up (I've got one :) ) but may be overkill if acroread doesn't do what you need. Google will help if you decide to go this route. HTH Wackojacko Just installed acroread 8.1.2 from marillat on an amd64 system and it works just fine (from the dependencies it does use the 32bit libraries though so it's probably the 32bit version) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: reliable editting of any PDF file
Wayne Topa wrote: Wackojacko([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said: michael wrote: On Wed, 2008-02-13 at 14:41 +, Chris Lale wrote: snip trying to install acroread from debian-multimedia The following packages have unmet dependencies. acroread-l10n-en: Depends: acroread (= 8.1.2-0.0) but it is not installable E: Broken packages [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ I'm running Debian Etch on AMD64 arch. Thanks, Michael Acroread is not available for AMD64, you will need to run a 32 bit chroot environment. Its fairly easy to set up (I've got one :) ) but may be overkill if acroread doesn't do what you need. Google will help if you decide to go this route. Oh? Is this incorrect or am I reading it wrong?? [VT2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] show acroread Package: acroread Priority: optional Section: text Installed-Size: 64056 Maintainer: Christian Marillat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Architecture: amd64 Version: 8.1.2-0.0 Replaces: acroread-debian-files (= 0.0.8), acroread-plugins (= 7.0-0sarge0.3), mozilla-acroread (= 8.1.1-0.2) WT The OP is running etch and this multi-arch stuff is fairly new. If you look at the depends of acroread you will see that it installs the ia32-libs to be able to run i.e. it is the 32-bit version. Although it seems my 32-bit chroot may soon be history, thanks for the heads up. :) Wackojacko -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: reliable editting of any PDF file
Micha wrote: On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 22:00:32 + Wackojacko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: michael wrote: On Wed, 2008-02-13 at 14:41 +, Chris Lale wrote: snip trying to install acroread from debian-multimedia The following packages have unmet dependencies. acroread-l10n-en: Depends: acroread (= 8.1.2-0.0) but it is not installable E: Broken packages [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ I'm running Debian Etch on AMD64 arch. Thanks, Michael Acroread is not available for AMD64, you will need to run a 32 bit chroot environment. Its fairly easy to set up (I've got one :) ) but may be overkill if acroread doesn't do what you need. Google will help if you decide to go this route. HTH Wackojacko Just installed acroread 8.1.2 from marillat on an amd64 system and it works just fine (from the dependencies it does use the 32bit libraries though so it's probably the 32bit version) Yeah see my response to WT. Fairly recent change though. Wackojacko -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: reliable editting of any PDF file
On Wed, 2008-02-13 at 06:53 +0530, Sridhar M.A. wrote: On Tue, Feb 12, 2008 at 11:49:19PM +0200, Micha wrote: Yes, but for me for example it would be very useful if I could add notes to papers I download to reference in my work (academics, it's what you are supposed to do ;-). I don't have access to the originals (with pdf's you rarely do actually, people give you the pdf in the first place to make sure that you see it properly, not to edit it). I would have been happy if there was something that could do highlighting, notes, lines and really ecstatic if it could actually do equations ... Have you tried the latest version of inkscape? It can import pdf's which version are you using? I just tried version 0.44.1-1 (from Etch) and it failed to input my first test PDF, giving on the cmd line an error /home/mkb/work/timings_CMU_allDynamic_16sections.pdf:1: parser error : Start tag expected, '' not found %PDF-1.4 M. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: reliable editting of any PDF file
On Tue, 2008-02-12 at 15:27 -0800, Kelly Clowers wrote:
On Feb 12, 2008 1:49 PM, Micha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, but for me for example it would be very useful if I could add notes to
papers I download to reference in my work (academics, it's what you are
supposed to do ;-). I don't have access to the originals (with pdf's you
rarely
do actually, people give you the pdf in the first place to make sure that
you
see it properly, not to edit it).
I would have been happy if there was something that could do highlighting,
notes, lines and really ecstatic if it could actually do equations ...
thought of writing something like that once but never got the time to dig
in.
Evince got form support in 2.20, and was originally supposed to get
annotation support at the same time. Unfortunately, that was pushed
back, and according to the roadmap[1], it is now scheduled for 2.24
(due this fall). In the meantime, I believe Adobe Reader supports
annotations and there is a native Linux version.
just tried to install Adobe Reader 7 from their web site
http://www.adobe.com/products/reader/productinfo/systemreqs/
but got errors when running Alien
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/src$ sudo alien --scripts AdobeReader_enu-8.1.2-1.i486.rpm
mkdir: cannot create directory `AdobeReader_enu-8.1.2': File exists
Package build failed. Here's the log:
dh_testdir
dh_testdir
dh_testroot
dh_clean -k -d
dh_installdirs
dh_installdocs
dh_installchangelogs
find . -maxdepth 1 -mindepth 1 -not -name debian -print0 | \
xargs -0 -r -i cp -a {} debian/adobereader-enu
dh_compress
dh_makeshlibs
dh_installdeb
dh_shlibdeps
dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: format of `NEEDED libResAccess.so' not
recognize
{ many more...}
dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: format of `NEEDED libResAccess.so' not
recognized
dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: could not find any packages for
libgdk_pixbuf_xlib-2.0. so.0
{etc}
However I see from http://www.bxlug.be/en/articles/128 that I can use
debian-marillat sources - does anybody use acroread from there for
*editting* PDFs?
Ta, M
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Re: reliable editting of any PDF file
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 23:56:06 +0200 Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/02/2008, Micha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, but for me for example it would be very useful if I could add notes to papers I download to reference in my work (academics, it's what you are supposed to do ;-). I don't have access to the originals (with pdf's you rarely do actually, people give you the pdf in the first place to make sure that you see it properly, not to edit it). I would have been happy if there was something that could do highlighting, notes, lines and really ecstatic if it could actually do equations ... thought of writing something like that once but never got the time to dig in. Doesn't Acrobat (adobe) let one add notes to a PDF? That feature sounds familiar. Acrobat yes (although I found it hard to work with). Acrobat reader AFAIK, no. I saw a couple of programs that set the pdf as a background and allow to write over it (don't remember the names at the moment), but they were all rather limited Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: reliable editting of any PDF file
On 13/02/2008, Micha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Acrobat yes (although I found it hard to work with). Acrobat reader AFAIK, no. I saw a couple of programs that set the pdf as a background and allow to write over it (don't remember the names at the moment), but they were all rather limited Gimp? I just opened a PDF with Gimp just fine. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: reliable editting of any PDF file
--- michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2008-02-12 at 15:27 -0800, Kelly Clowers wrote: On Feb 12, 2008 1:49 PM, Micha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, but for me for example it would be very useful if I could add notes to papers I download to reference in my work (academics, it's what you are supposed to do ;-). I don't have access to the originals (with pdf's you rarely do actually, people give you the pdf in the first place to make sure that you see it properly, not to edit it). I would have been happy if there was something that could do highlighting, notes, lines and really ecstatic if it could actually do equations ... thought of writing something like that once but never got the time to dig in. Evince got form support in 2.20, and was originally supposed to get annotation support at the same time. Unfortunately, that was pushed back, and according to the roadmap[1], it is now scheduled for 2.24 (due this fall). In the meantime, I believe Adobe Reader supports annotations and there is a native Linux version. just tried to install Adobe Reader 7 from their web site http://www.adobe.com/products/reader/productinfo/systemreqs/ but got errors when running Alien [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/src$ sudo alien --scripts snip There is a .deb package available from Adobe here: http://ardownload.adobe.com/pub/adobe/reader/unix/8.x/8.1.2/enu/AdobeReader_enu-8.1.2-1.i386.deb That will rid you of the alien errors at least. HTH's. Best regards. -- Angus All churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Muslim, appear to me no other than human inventions, setup to terrify and enslave mankind - and to monopolize power and profit. -- Thomas Paine (1737-1809) ##Linux Laptop powered by Debian Linux## ###Reg. Linux User #278931### Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: reliable editting of any PDF file
On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 14:03:39 +0200 Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 13/02/2008, Micha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Acrobat yes (although I found it hard to work with). Acrobat reader AFAIK, no. I saw a couple of programs that set the pdf as a background and allow to write over it (don't remember the names at the moment), but they were all rather limited Gimp? I just opened a PDF with Gimp just fine. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il When it's a multifile pdf that you want to mainly read and just annotate along the way, gimp is not a viable option. One other problem with most anotators BTW is that they don't change the file but store the changes somewhere else, which means that they are dependent on where the file resides and what it's name is, which makes it hard to send the annotations. A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: reliable editting of any PDF file
On Wed, 2008-02-13 at 15:30 +0200, Micha wrote:
On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 14:03:39 +0200
Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 13/02/2008, Micha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Acrobat yes (although I found it hard to work with). Acrobat reader AFAIK,
no.
I saw a couple of programs that set the pdf as a background and allow to
write over it (don't remember the names at the moment), but they were all
rather limited
Gimp? I just opened a PDF with Gimp just fine.
Dotan Cohen
{}
When it's a multifile pdf that you want to mainly read and just annotate along
the way, gimp is not a viable option.
One other problem with most anotators BTW is that they don't change the file
but store the changes somewhere else, which means that they are dependent on
where the file resides and what it's name is, which makes it hard to send the
annotations.
Yes, one of my requirements (portability) meant that I could see the
(annotated) PDF on different machines/architectures *without additional
files/software* ie the output is saved as PDF which is readable by all
PDF viewers... (I would add that it should be searchable (by word) too
which would seem to exclude graphical editors such as GIMP)
thanks, Michael
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Re: reliable editting of any PDF file
On Tue, 2008-02-12 at 15:27 -0800, Kelly Clowers wrote: On Feb 12, 2008 1:49 PM, Micha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, but for me for example it would be very useful if I could add notes to papers I download to reference in my work (academics, it's what you are supposed to do ;-). I don't have access to the originals (with pdf's you rarely do actually, people give you the pdf in the first place to make sure that you see it properly, not to edit it). I would have been happy if there was something that could do highlighting, notes, lines and really ecstatic if it could actually do equations ... thought of writing something like that once but never got the time to dig in. Evince got form support in 2.20, and was originally supposed to get annotation support at the same time. Unfortunately, that was pushed back, and according to the roadmap[1], it is now scheduled for 2.24 (due this fall). In the meantime, I believe Adobe Reader supports annotations and there is a native Linux version. Looking at Adobe's comparison chart http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/matrix.html implies that Adobe Reader does *not* allow edits... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: reliable editting of any PDF file
Angus Auld wrote: --- michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2008-02-12 at 15:27 -0800, Kelly Clowers wrote: On Feb 12, 2008 1:49 PM, Micha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, but for me for example it would be very useful if I could add notes to papers I download to reference in my work (academics, it's what you are supposed to do ;-). I don't have access to the originals (with pdf's you rarely do actually, people give you the pdf in the first place to make sure that you see it properly, not to edit it). I would have been happy if there was something that could do highlighting, notes, lines and really ecstatic if it could actually do equations ... thought of writing something like that once but never got the time to dig in. Evince got form support in 2.20, and was originally supposed to get annotation support at the same time. Unfortunately, that was pushed back, and according to the roadmap[1], it is now scheduled for 2.24 (due this fall). In the meantime, I believe Adobe Reader supports annotations and there is a native Linux version. just tried to install Adobe Reader 7 from their web site http://www.adobe.com/products/reader/productinfo/systemreqs/ but got errors when running Alien [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/src$ sudo alien --scripts snip There is a .deb package available from Adobe here: http://ardownload.adobe.com/pub/adobe/reader/unix/8.x/8.1.2/enu/AdobeReader_enu-8.1.2-1.i386.deb and one at debian-multimedia.org, which is a great repository to add to your /etc/apt/sources.list for loads of other goodies: deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ etch main -- Chris. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: reliable editting of any PDF file
On Feb 13, 2008 1:42 AM, michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 2008-02-12 at 15:27 -0800, Kelly Clowers wrote:
On Feb 12, 2008 1:49 PM, Micha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, but for me for example it would be very useful if I could add notes
to
papers I download to reference in my work (academics, it's what you are
supposed to do ;-). I don't have access to the originals (with pdf's you
rarely
do actually, people give you the pdf in the first place to make sure that
you
see it properly, not to edit it).
I would have been happy if there was something that could do highlighting,
notes, lines and really ecstatic if it could actually do equations ...
thought of writing something like that once but never got the time to dig
in.
Evince got form support in 2.20, and was originally supposed to get
annotation support at the same time. Unfortunately, that was pushed
back, and according to the roadmap[1], it is now scheduled for 2.24
(due this fall). In the meantime, I believe Adobe Reader supports
annotations and there is a native Linux version.
just tried to install Adobe Reader 7 from their web site
http://www.adobe.com/products/reader/productinfo/systemreqs/
but got errors when running Alien
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/src$ sudo alien --scripts AdobeReader_enu-8.1.2-1.i486.rpm
mkdir: cannot create directory `AdobeReader_enu-8.1.2': File exists
Package build failed. Here's the log:
dh_testdir
dh_testdir
dh_testroot
dh_clean -k -d
dh_installdirs
dh_installdocs
dh_installchangelogs
find . -maxdepth 1 -mindepth 1 -not -name debian -print0 | \
xargs -0 -r -i cp -a {} debian/adobereader-enu
dh_compress
dh_makeshlibs
dh_installdeb
dh_shlibdeps
dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: format of `NEEDED libResAccess.so' not
recognize
{ many more...}
dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: format of `NEEDED libResAccess.so' not
recognized
dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: could not find any packages for
libgdk_pixbuf_xlib-2.0. so.0
{etc}
However I see from http://www.bxlug.be/en/articles/128 that I can use
debian-marillat sources - does anybody use acroread from there for
*editting* PDFs?
I've been using the acroread from Marrilat's archive for a few years
and it works well. I only need to enter data into pdf forms and print
them so I have been using evince for the last month or so with good
results.
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Re: reliable editting of any PDF file
On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 01:39:46PM +0200, Micha wrote: On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 23:56:06 +0200 Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doesn't Acrobat (adobe) let one add notes to a PDF? That feature sounds familiar. Acrobat yes (although I found it hard to work with). Acrobat reader AFAIK, no. It should work with Acrobat Reader IF the organization producing the PDF have enabled Reader Annotations/Notes. AFAIK this is only available with PDF 1.5 (Acrobat 8 ). I saw a couple of programs that set the pdf as a background and allow to write over it (don't remember the names at the moment), but they were all rather limited Does GIMP support layers ? If it can parse the PDF as an image perhaps that might be the way to go ? I personally don't know as I don't use GIMP. -- Regards, S.D.Allen - Toronto -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: reliable editting of any PDF file
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 13-Feb-08, at 12:51 PM, Stephen Allen wrote: Does GIMP support layers ? If it can parse the PDF as an image perhaps that might be the way to go ? I personally don't know as I don't use GIMP. Would work fine for one page only and the text wouldn't be text and thus not searchable... So, no - doesn't work :-) Note that pdf has advanced features that are often used in trade documents like embedded video and search indexes that nothing but Adobe's Reader will do... (I keep checking) Brian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) Comment: Verify this email or encrypt your email for free - see gnupg.org iD8DBQFHsz3gGnOmb9xIQHQRAuvAAKCF1UgUfLszY9OmTD99RRFOPeuC+QCg03dA /nbYPgtMjZRzc+mniJo8Kvs= =6CXL -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: reliable editting of any PDF file
On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 02:22:20PM +, michael wrote: Yes, one of my requirements (portability) meant that I could see the (annotated) PDF on different machines/architectures *without additional files/software* ie the output is saved as PDF which is readable by all PDF viewers... (I would add that it should be searchable (by word) too which would seem to exclude graphical editors such as GIMP) Then you are using the wrong file format. This is not what PDF is. PDF is a portable document format, for distributing basically unmodified and unmodifialbe files. There are ways around that as have been discussed, but there is not one cross-platform application to do it since it is non-standard for the format. If you are taking an article from, e.g. a journal, and you want to read and annotate at the same time, then pick a WYSIWYG editor that can import images. Write a script that converts the pdf to an image and plunks that image full-size in the file format for the editor. From then on, use the editor to annotate the graphical representation of the document and share this new document. When all anotations are done, print to a pdf file again. With this setup, now you have to find a WYSIWYG file format that is cross platform that all your co-annotators can use. Don't ask me on that. For me, cross-platform multi-user editing is done either with plain text or LaTex and is not done from a GUI. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: reliable editting of any PDF file
On 13/02/2008, Douglas A. Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 02:22:20PM +, michael wrote: Yes, one of my requirements (portability) meant that I could see the (annotated) PDF on different machines/architectures *without additional files/software* ie the output is saved as PDF which is readable by all PDF viewers... (I would add that it should be searchable (by word) too which would seem to exclude graphical editors such as GIMP) Then you are using the wrong file format. This is not what PDF is. PDF is a portable document format, for distributing basically unmodified and unmodifialbe files. There are ways around that as have been discussed, but there is not one cross-platform application to do it since it is non-standard for the format. If you are taking an article from, e.g. a journal, and you want to read and annotate at the same time, then pick a WYSIWYG editor that can import images. Write a script that converts the pdf to an image and plunks that image full-size in the file format for the editor. From then on, use the editor to annotate the graphical representation of the document and share this new document. When all anotations are done, print to a pdf file again. With this setup, now you have to find a WYSIWYG file format that is cross platform that all your co-annotators can use. Don't ask me on that. For me, cross-platform multi-user editing is done either with plain text or LaTex and is not done from a GUI. Doug. And if you are thinking that Open Office is the perfect tool for the job, then know that some files display differently in OOo on Windows than on Linux. How important is perfect reproduction of the page to you? Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: reliable editting of any PDF file
On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 10:52:29AM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 02:22:20PM +, michael wrote: Yes, one of my requirements (portability) meant that I could see the (annotated) PDF on different machines/architectures *without additional files/software* ie the output is saved as PDF which is readable by all PDF viewers... (I would add that it should be searchable (by word) too which would seem to exclude graphical editors such as GIMP) Then you are using the wrong file format. This is not what PDF is. PDF is a portable document format, for distributing basically unmodified and unmodifialbe files. There are ways around that as have been discussed, but there is not one cross-platform application to do it since it is non-standard for the format. From what I can find, annotations are in fact a part of the ISO 32000, a very recently approved standard based on Adobe's 1.7 PDF reference document. -- Ken Irving, [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: reliable editting of any PDF file
On Wed, 2008-02-13 at 14:41 +, Chris Lale wrote:
Angus Auld wrote:
--- michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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just tried to install Adobe Reader 7 from their web
site
http://www.adobe.com/products/reader/productinfo/systemreqs/
but got errors when running Alien
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/src$ sudo alien --scripts
snip
There is a .deb package available from Adobe here:
http://ardownload.adobe.com/pub/adobe/reader/unix/8.x/8.1.2/enu/AdobeReader_enu-8.1.2-1.i386.deb
and one at debian-multimedia.org, which is a great repository to add to your
/etc/apt/sources.list for loads of other goodies:
deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ etch main
Chris, just tried that but maybe I'm missing something since it didn't
work:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list; sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get
install acroread;sudo apt-get install acroread-l10n-en
#
# deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r1 _Etch_ - Official amd64 NETINST
Binary-1 20 070820-20:16]/ etch contrib main
#deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r1 _Etch_ - Official amd64 NETINST
Binary-1 200 70820-20:16]/ etch contrib main
deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ etch main
deb-src http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ etch main
deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib
deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib
# multimedia inc acroread
deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ etch main
Get: 1 http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch Release.gpg [189B]
Get: 2 http://ftp.uk.debian.org etch Release.gpg [378B]
Hit http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch Release
Hit http://ftp.uk.debian.org etch Release
Ign http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch/main Packages/DiffIndex
Ign http://ftp.uk.debian.org etch/main Packages/DiffIndex
Get: 3 http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release.gpg [189B]
Hit http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch/main Packages
Ign http://ftp.uk.debian.org etch/main Sources/DiffIndex
Hit http://ftp.uk.debian.org etch/main Packages
Hit http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release
Hit http://ftp.uk.debian.org etch/main Sources
Ign http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Packages/DiffIndex
Ign http://security.debian.org etch/updates/contrib Packages/DiffIndex
Ign http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Sources/DiffIndex
Ign http://security.debian.org etch/updates/contrib Sources/DiffIndex
Hit http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Packages
Hit http://security.debian.org etch/updates/contrib Packages
Hit http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Sources
Hit http://security.debian.org etch/updates/contrib Sources
Fetched 3B in 1s (2B/s)
Reading package lists... Done
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Package acroread is not available, but is referred to by another
package.
This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
is only available from another source
However the following packages replace it:
acroread-l10n-en acroread-dictionary-en acroread-data
E: Package acroread has no installation candidate
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
that package should be filed.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:
The following packages have unmet dependencies.
acroread-l10n-en: Depends: acroread (= 8.1.2-0.0) but it is not
installable
E: Broken packages
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$
I'm running Debian Etch on AMD64 arch. Thanks, Michael
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Re: reliable editting of any PDF file
michael wrote: On Wed, 2008-02-13 at 14:41 +, Chris Lale wrote: snip trying to install acroread from debian-multimedia The following packages have unmet dependencies. acroread-l10n-en: Depends: acroread (= 8.1.2-0.0) but it is not installable E: Broken packages [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ I'm running Debian Etch on AMD64 arch. Thanks, Michael Acroread is not available for AMD64, you will need to run a 32 bit chroot environment. Its fairly easy to set up (I've got one :) ) but may be overkill if acroread doesn't do what you need. Google will help if you decide to go this route. HTH Wackojacko -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 01:58:39PM -0500, Brian McKee wrote: Note that pdf has advanced features that are often used in trade documents like embedded video and search indexes that nothing but Adobe's Reader will do... (I keep checking) And likely nothing but full-blown Acrobat writer will write. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 13 Feb 2008, at 22:00, Wackojacko wrote: michael wrote: On Wed, 2008-02-13 at 14:41 +, Chris Lale wrote: snip trying to install acroread from debian-multimedia The following packages have unmet dependencies. acroread-l10n-en: Depends: acroread (= 8.1.2-0.0) but it is not installable E: Broken packages [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ I'm running Debian Etch on AMD64 arch. Thanks, Michael Acroread is not available for AMD64, you will need to run a 32 bit chroot environment. Its fairly easy to set up (I've got one :) ) but may be overkill if acroread doesn't do what you need. Google will help if you decide to go this route. A bit of a drift from the original topic but I'm wondering more and more about setting up a 32 bit subsystem on my AMD64 for things that don't just quite work (Java/Firefox for example)... so I guess I'll be web surfing to find out how to do this 32 bit chroot option you mention... M -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 02:28:00PM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 01:58:39PM -0500, Brian McKee wrote: Note that pdf has advanced features that are often used in trade documents like embedded video and search indexes that nothing but Adobe's Reader will do... (I keep checking) And likely nothing but full-blown Acrobat writer will write. The PDF spec was only very recently (December 2007) adopted as an ISO standard, so it'll take a while for the various tools to support the annotations feature, but it should be coming along eventually. According to an article found on linux.com, the GNU PDF project will be working in this direction. http://www.linux.com/feature/122195 -- Ken Irving, [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Wackojacko([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said: michael wrote: On Wed, 2008-02-13 at 14:41 +, Chris Lale wrote: snip trying to install acroread from debian-multimedia The following packages have unmet dependencies. acroread-l10n-en: Depends: acroread (= 8.1.2-0.0) but it is not installable E: Broken packages [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ I'm running Debian Etch on AMD64 arch. Thanks, Michael Acroread is not available for AMD64, you will need to run a 32 bit chroot environment. Its fairly easy to set up (I've got one :) ) but may be overkill if acroread doesn't do what you need. Google will help if you decide to go this route. Oh? Is this incorrect or am I reading it wrong?? [VT2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] show acroread Package: acroread Priority: optional Section: text Installed-Size: 64056 Maintainer: Christian Marillat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Architecture: amd64 Version: 8.1.2-0.0 Replaces: acroread-debian-files (= 0.0.8), acroread-plugins (= 7.0-0sarge0.3), mozilla-acroread (= 8.1.1-0.2) WT -- Maintenance-free: When it breaks, it can't be fixed... ___ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 09:26:17AM +, michael wrote: which version are you using? I just tried version 0.44.1-1 (from Etch) and it failed to input my first test PDF, giving on the cmd line an error The version in etch is quite old and does not have that feature. It is the latest version of inkscape which is yet to be released. You can get the latest versions of the inkscape (in autopackage format) from here : http://inkscape.modevia.com/ap/?M=D Some of the dependencies _may not_ be satisfied by etch. Regards, -- Sridhar M.A. GPG KeyID : F6A35935 Fingerprint: D172 22C4 7CDC D9CD 62B5 55C1 2A69 D5D8 F6A3 5935 You are in a maze of little twisting passages, all alike. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: reliable editting of any PDF file
On Wed, 13 Feb 2008, Micha wrote: Doesn't Acrobat (adobe) let one add notes to a PDF? That feature sounds familiar. Acrobat yes (although I found it hard to work with). Acrobat reader AFAIK, no. You can annotate PDF files in free *Acrobat Reader* (I am using Debian package, version 8.1.2) and all annotations are saved in the same PDF file. However, some flag in the PDF file must be enabled first to allow such annotations, and this can be done only in non-free *Acrobat* (not Acrobat Reader). I don't know about any free tools to enable PDF for annotations. Greetings, Tad -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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However I see from http://www.bxlug.be/en/articles/128 that I can use debian-marillat sources - does anybody use acroread from there for *editting* PDFs? Yes, I do. As I said in my previous posting, PDF file needs to be enabled first for annotation. In our lab we have a copy of the Windows version of Acrobat 7 (not Reader). Using it I can enable annotations, save the PDF file, and open it again on my Debian box using Acrobat Reader. Then all annotation tools in the free Acrobat Reader are available and I can save the final result into the same PDF file. Greetings, Tad -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:19:38 -0500 Kamaraju S Kusumanchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: michael wrote: I'm struggling to find software to edit a PDF file. Firstly, I'm wary of using a graphics editor to do the job and pdfedit [1] seems to reject many of the PDF files I've just tried because they are linearised according to the bug report [2] So what joy have others had, or is this the Holy Grail [3]? I think you are looking at it the wrong way. PDF is supposed to be an end format. It is not designed for re-editing the documents. The practical solution to this problem is that, you should get hold of the document that was exported into pdf, edit the original document and export it back to pdf again. For example, if you are writing a .tm file and exported it into .pdf. Then you need to get the .tm file, edit it and then export it again. Yes, but for me for example it would be very useful if I could add notes to papers I download to reference in my work (academics, it's what you are supposed to do ;-). I don't have access to the originals (with pdf's you rarely do actually, people give you the pdf in the first place to make sure that you see it properly, not to edit it). I would have been happy if there was something that could do highlighting, notes, lines and really ecstatic if it could actually do equations ... thought of writing something like that once but never got the time to dig in. hth raju -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:19:53 -0800 Alan Ianson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 12, 2008 6:04 AM, Brian McKee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12-Feb-08, at 8:49 AM, michael wrote: I'm struggling to find software to edit a PDF file. Firstly, I'm wary of using a graphics editor to do the job and pdfedit [1] seems to reject many of the PDF files I've just tried because they are linearised according to the bug report [2] So what joy have others had, or is this the Holy Grail [3]? with evince v2+ (lenny up) you can enter data into pdf files and print them. Is that what you need? I do this on i386 and amd64 on lenny. Do you mean just fill in forms or actually add notes to the file? (since I didn't find anything of the sort) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Feb 12, 2008 1:49 PM, Micha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, but for me for example it would be very useful if I could add notes to papers I download to reference in my work (academics, it's what you are supposed to do ;-). I don't have access to the originals (with pdf's you rarely do actually, people give you the pdf in the first place to make sure that you see it properly, not to edit it). I would have been happy if there was something that could do highlighting, notes, lines and really ecstatic if it could actually do equations ... thought of writing something like that once but never got the time to dig in. Evince got form support in 2.20, and was originally supposed to get annotation support at the same time. Unfortunately, that was pushed back, and according to the roadmap[1], it is now scheduled for 2.24 (due this fall). In the meantime, I believe Adobe Reader supports annotations and there is a native Linux version. [1] http://live.gnome.org/Evince/Roadmap Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Feb 13, 2008 3:19 AM, Micha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:19:38 -0500 Kamaraju S Kusumanchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: michael wrote: I'm struggling to find software to edit a PDF file. Firstly, I'm wary of using a graphics editor to do the job and pdfedit [1] seems to reject many of the PDF files I've just tried because they are linearised according to the bug report [2] So what joy have others had, or is this the Holy Grail [3]? I think you are looking at it the wrong way. PDF is supposed to be an end format. It is not designed for re-editing the documents. The practical solution to this problem is that, you should get hold of the document that was exported into pdf, edit the original document and export it back to pdf again. For example, if you are writing a .tm file and exported it into .pdf. Then you need to get the .tm file, edit it and then export it again. Yes, but for me for example it would be very useful if I could add notes to papers I download to reference in my work (academics, it's what you are supposed to do ;-). I don't have access to the originals (with pdf's you rarely do actually, people give you the pdf in the first place to make sure that you see it properly, not to edit it). I would have been happy if there was something that could do highlighting, notes, lines and really ecstatic if it could actually do equations ... thought of writing something like that once but never got the time to dig in. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/okular Experimental package, and requires kde4, though. And I've never used it myself. -- Kushal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, Feb 12, 2008 at 11:49:19PM +0200, Micha wrote: Yes, but for me for example it would be very useful if I could add notes to papers I download to reference in my work (academics, it's what you are supposed to do ;-). I don't have access to the originals (with pdf's you rarely do actually, people give you the pdf in the first place to make sure that you see it properly, not to edit it). I would have been happy if there was something that could do highlighting, notes, lines and really ecstatic if it could actually do equations ... thought of writing something like that once but never got the time to dig in. I can think of two ways, then, since you want to add notes and not actually edit the origional message: 1. Bring it into xfig, add your notes, and save as pdf. 2. Convert it to an .eps, then bring it into LaTex (or Lyx) and write your notes around or over it. I suppose the ideal would be if you had a light pen that worked as a mouse. Then in xfig, just do free-hand line drawing and hand write your notes right over top of the image. The promise of the paperless office hasn't arrived yet. The ease of picking up a pen and jotting a note on a document hasn't been replicated. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, Feb 12, 2008 at 11:49:19PM +0200, Micha wrote: Yes, but for me for example it would be very useful if I could add notes to papers I download to reference in my work (academics, it's what you are supposed to do ;-). I don't have access to the originals (with pdf's you rarely do actually, people give you the pdf in the first place to make sure that you see it properly, not to edit it). I would have been happy if there was something that could do highlighting, notes, lines and really ecstatic if it could actually do equations ... Have you tried the latest version of inkscape? It can import pdf's and you can annotate it quite easily. As regards equations, sketch had a LaTeX plugin. Could not find something like that for inkscape. Regards, -- Sridhar M.A. GPG KeyID : F6A35935 Fingerprint: D172 22C4 7CDC D9CD 62B5 55C1 2A69 D5D8 F6A3 5935 Nobody can be as agreeable as an uninvited guest. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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On 12 Feb 2008, at 20:19, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote: michael wrote: I'm struggling to find software to edit a PDF file. Firstly, I'm wary of using a graphics editor to do the job and pdfedit [1] seems to reject many of the PDF files I've just tried because they are linearised according to the bug report [2] So what joy have others had, or is this the Holy Grail [3]? I think you are looking at it the wrong way. PDF is supposed to be an end format. It is not designed for re-editing the documents. The practical solution to this problem is that, you should get hold of the document that was exported into pdf, edit the original document and export it back to pdf again. For example, if you are writing a .tm file and exported it into .pdf. Then you need to get the .tm file, edit it and then export it again. unfort not an option since many files are from a journal etc -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 12/02/2008, Micha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, but for me for example it would be very useful if I could add notes to papers I download to reference in my work (academics, it's what you are supposed to do ;-). I don't have access to the originals (with pdf's you rarely do actually, people give you the pdf in the first place to make sure that you see it properly, not to edit it). I would have been happy if there was something that could do highlighting, notes, lines and really ecstatic if it could actually do equations ... thought of writing something like that once but never got the time to dig in. Doesn't Acrobat (adobe) let one add notes to a PDF? That feature sounds familiar. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: reliable editting of any PDF file
michael wrote: I'm struggling to find software to edit a PDF file. Firstly, I'm wary of using a graphics editor to do the job and pdfedit [1] seems to reject many of the PDF files I've just tried because they are linearised according to the bug report [2] So what joy have others had, or is this the Holy Grail [3]? I think you are looking at it the wrong way. PDF is supposed to be an end format. It is not designed for re-editing the documents. The practical solution to this problem is that, you should get hold of the document that was exported into pdf, edit the original document and export it back to pdf again. For example, if you are writing a .tm file and exported it into .pdf. Then you need to get the .tm file, edit it and then export it again. hth raju -- Kamaraju S Kusumanchi http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/kk288/ http://malayamaarutham.blogspot.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Feb 12, 2008 9:27 PM, Kushal Kumaran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://packages.debian.org/experimental/okular Experimental package, and requires kde4, though. And I've never used it myself. Interesting, I thought the reason Evince didn't have annotations was that poppler did not support it yet, but it obviously has at least some support, as poppler is Okular's pdf lib. I guess the Gnome guys just haven't added the UI for it. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Feb 12, 2008 6:04 AM, Brian McKee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12-Feb-08, at 8:49 AM, michael wrote: I'm struggling to find software to edit a PDF file. Firstly, I'm wary of using a graphics editor to do the job and pdfedit [1] seems to reject many of the PDF files I've just tried because they are linearised according to the bug report [2] So what joy have others had, or is this the Holy Grail [3]? with evince v2+ (lenny up) you can enter data into pdf files and print them. Is that what you need? I do this on i386 and amd64 on lenny. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Feb 12, 2008 8:49 AM, michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm struggling to find software to edit a PDF file. Firstly, I'm wary of using a graphics editor to do the job and pdfedit [1] seems to reject many of the PDF files I've just tried because they are linearised according to the bug report [2] So what joy have others had, or is this the Holy Grail [3]? I haven't found a good option. I took a look at scribus, but certainly at the time it would use PDF as its storage format, but couldn't read and edit non-scribus-generated PDF. I've settled on the functional, though clunky, process of: 1) Convert the PDF file to PS. 2) Open the PS in both gv and emacs. 3) Use gv (with the watch file option set) to tell me where to position text, and add it by hand in emacs. For step three, I go to the end of a page (before the showpage command) and do something like the following: /Times-Roman findfont 12 scalefont setfont 30 700 moveto (Hello World) show That puts the string Hello World in 12-point Times Roman at x=30, y=700, which is near the upper-left corner of a letter-size page. If gv is watching the file for changes, then each time you save the display should be updated, and you can tweak the position (fractional coordinates are permitted). Since parens are used to delimit strings, I'm not sure what you do when you need parens in your output. Note that some files have so much custom formatting that this sometimes doesn't work right. I've been pretty successful with it, though. The more text you have to add, the more painful this becomes, of course, and removing text or modifying graphics is a whole other can of worms. -- Michael A. Marsh http://www.umiacs.umd.edu/~mmarsh http://mamarsh.blogspot.com http://36pints.blogspot.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Micaela Gallerini: On 12-Feb-08, at 8:49 AM, michael wrote: I'm struggling to find software to edit a PDF file. [...] Lyx it's another substitute also it's not very easy. Lyx can only be used to create PDF files. To my knowledge, you cannot use it to edit existing files. J. -- I enjoy shopping, eating, sex and doing jigsaw puzzles of idealised landscapes. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12-Feb-08, at 8:49 AM, michael wrote: I'm struggling to find software to edit a PDF file. Firstly, I'm wary of using a graphics editor to do the job and pdfedit [1] seems to reject many of the PDF files I've just tried because they are linearised according to the bug report [2] So what joy have others had, or is this the Holy Grail [3]? I believe scribus has some pdf editing capabilities, but I *think* it has limitations as well. Brian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) Comment: Verify this email or encrypt your email for free - see gnupg.org iD8DBQFHsadwGnOmb9xIQHQRAiCbAJ44S5tJvrG+Yu9qqVaFIFQS30hY6wCg52P3 rdfcn9aW7nq7t+Zho60kpAE= =ZMfI -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: reliable editting of any PDF file
On 12-Feb-08, at 8:49 AM, michael wrote: I'm struggling to find software to edit a PDF file. Firstly, I'm wary of using a graphics editor to do the job and pdfedit [1] seems to reject many of the PDF files I've just tried because they are linearised according to the bug report [2] So what joy have others had, or is this the Holy Grail [3]? Lyx it's another substitute also it's not very easy. -- The death it's only a way to ethernal dreaming Rashna Micaela Gallerini -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
