Re: switching from mbox to maildir in mutt, exim, etc.: how?
Russell L. Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Oct 27, 2006 at 03:25:11PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: I'm looking at my system backups and notice that there is some clutter form mbox files being updated almost daily. I think the clutter would be reduced by switching to maildir (true?), but I wonder about other consequences of such a switch. In particular, when I google the topic of how to switch, I find only people asking the question, and some comment to the effect 'why bother?', but no answers. Is it a bad idea for reasons which I have not yet fathomed? Where can I find a recent HOWTO that addresses Debian issues, if it is not bad? TIA -- Paul E Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just got mutt running with getmail, procmail, and mutt, using maildir. And mairdir is the way to go. I found a HOWTO on the specific topic of conversion from mbox to maildir, using a package the name of which I do not recall. But once you have procmail running, you can restore your old mail by feeding procmail from your mbox file and letting it re-deliver to maildir. A good Debian-oriented HOWTO is Email for the single user in Debian, 2004, by Nicholas Lativy; it is posted at http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~lativyn/articles/debian-mutt . Regrettably, it covers the combination of exim4, procmail, fetchmail, and mutt with maildir; and you do NOT wish to use fetchmail -- use getmail instead. I second that, but I do consider maildrop to have a more readable syntax. And also postfix seems more easy to me than exim. So I would say: getmail, maildrop (if needed), mutt, postfix. Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sat, Oct 28, 2006 at 09:21:30PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/28/06 17:20, Jochen Schulz wrote: Ron Johnson: On 10/28/06 16:26, Jochen Schulz wrote: [snip] Besides, How often do you poke around Maildir/cur? I don't, but it sounded like the OP does. Who would want to, with thousands of (seemingly) meaningless 72 character names!!! :-0 I'm the OP. I'm in the process of setting up and verifying the correct operation of a backup system that's new to me. I noticed this 'waste' caused by the scheme that I have been working on, and asked for information that might help me fix it. From this thread I've learned a lot. I thank everyone for their contributions. I can say that it has _all_ been helpful to me in setting my priorities, like maybe a little waste is not so bad. ;-) -- Paul E Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: switching from mbox to maildir in mutt, exim, etc.: how?
On Fri, Oct 27, 2006 at 03:25:11PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: I'm looking at my system backups and notice that there is some clutter form mbox files being updated almost daily. I think the clutter would be reduced by switching to maildir (true?), but I wonder about other consequences of such a switch. In particular, when I google the topic of how to switch, I find only people asking the question, and some comment to the effect 'why bother?', but no answers. Is it a bad idea for reasons which I have not yet fathomed? Where can I find a recent HOWTO that addresses Debian issues, if it is not bad? TIA -- Paul E Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just got mutt running with getmail, procmail, and mutt, using maildir. And mairdir is the way to go. I found a HOWTO on the specific topic of conversion from mbox to maildir, using a package the name of which I do not recall. But once you have procmail running, you can restore your old mail by feeding procmail from your mbox file and letting it re-deliver to maildir. A good Debian-oriented HOWTO is Email for the single user in Debian, 2004, by Nicholas Lativy; it is posted at http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~lativyn/articles/debian-mutt . Regrettably, it covers the combination of exim4, procmail, fetchmail, and mutt with maildir; and you do NOT wish to use fetchmail -- use getmail instead. However, to use getmail is trivial; you simply use the lines: type = MDA_external path = /usr/bin/procmail instead of the lines: type = Maildir path = ~/mail-incoming-maildir There is much confusion concerning Procmail recipes among those who have written Procmail HOWTOs, so beware! You do NOT need to create a .forward file. The quickest and easiest way to understand Procmail recipes is to print out the man pages PROCMAIL, PROCMAILRC, and PROCMAILEX. Note the distinction between TO and TO_, and note that, with maildir, you do NOT need locking (via :) in the procmail recipes. Note that, typically, you need to escape only the . in a procmail recipe. A reasonable procmail article is Procmail Recipe Primer, which is posted at http://www.linuxlaboratory.org/index.php?title=Procmail_Recipe_Primer; . It took me about a week of searching with Google to figure out how to make the switch from exim-getmail-Gnus with maildir to Exim-getmail-procmail-mutt with maildir, including a whole day devoted to Procmail recipes. But the entire matter is quite simple, and should have taken only a few hours. Perhaps I need to write a exim-getmail-procmail-mutt HOWTO. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: switching from mbox to maildir in mutt, exim, etc.: how?
On Fri, Oct 27, 2006 at 05:24:26PM -0500, Russell L. Harris wrote: On Fri, Oct 27, 2006 at 03:25:11PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: snip There is much confusion concerning Procmail recipes among those who have written Procmail HOWTOs, so beware! You do NOT need to create a .forward file. The quickest and easiest way to understand Procmail recipes is to print out the man pages PROCMAIL, PROCMAILRC, and PROCMAILEX. Note the distinction between TO and TO_, and note that, with maildir, you do NOT need locking (via :) in the procmail recipes. Note that, typically, you need to escape only the . in Hi Russell, I have mail files like: Mail/floss/debian.user and if I change to maildir, I think it would become: Maildir/floss.debian.user which if I understand it would be like: Mail/floss/debian/user so how do I avoid that or how should I alter the name debian.user? Maybe debian-user? Cheers, Kev -- | .''`. == Debian GNU/Linux == | my web site: | | : :' : The Universal | debian.home.pipeline.com | | `. `' Operating System| go to counter.li.org and | | `-http://www.debian.org/ |be counted! #238656 | | my keysever: pgp.mit.edu | my NPO: cfsg.org | signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: switching from mbox to maildir in mutt, exim, etc.: how?
On 10/29/06 11:38, Kevin Mark wrote: On Fri, Oct 27, 2006 at 05:24:26PM -0500, Russell L. Harris wrote: On Fri, Oct 27, 2006 at 03:25:11PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: snip There is much confusion concerning Procmail recipes among those who have written Procmail HOWTOs, so beware! You do NOT need to create a .forward file. The quickest and easiest way to understand Procmail recipes is to print out the man pages PROCMAIL, PROCMAILRC, and PROCMAILEX. Note the distinction between TO and TO_, and note that, with maildir, you do NOT need locking (via :) in the procmail recipes. Note that, typically, you need to escape only the . in Hi Russell, I have mail files like: Mail/floss/debian.user and if I change to maildir, I think it would become: Maildir/floss.debian.user Maildir/.floss.debian.user which if I understand it would be like: Mail/floss/debian/user so how do I avoid that or how should I alter the name debian.user? Maybe debian-user? Cheers, Kev Sure. debian-user or debian_user. Or, even, debian/user. In case you subscribe to other Debian lists. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Is common sense really valid? For example, it is common sense to white-power racists that whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins are mud people. However, that common sense is obviously wrong. drwx-w 6 me me4096 2006-06-16 09:30 .Lists/ drwx-w 6 me me4096 2005-09-23 13:58 .Lists.Debian/ drwx-w 6 me me4096 2005-09-19 21:07 .Lists.Debian.Bugs/ drwx-w 6 me me4096 2005-09-21 00:22 .Lists.Debian.DWN/ drwx-w 6 me me4096 2005-09-23 13:58 .Lists.Debian.Devel/ drwx-w 6 me me4096 2005-02-23 15:29 .Lists.Debian.Devel.long_threads/ drwx-w 6 me me4096 2005-05-31 09:28 .Lists.Debian.User/ drwx-- 6 me me4096 2006-10-05 18:40 .Lists.Debian.User.2006q4/ drwx-- 6 me me4096 2006-10-16 05:11 .Lists.Debian.User.history/ drwx-w 6 me me4096 2006-10-16 05:12 .Lists.Debian.User.history.2005q3/ drwx-w 6 me me4096 2006-10-16 05:13 .Lists.Debian.User.history.2005q4/ drwx-- 6 me me4096 2006-10-16 05:13 .Lists.Debian.User.history.2006q1/ drwx-- 6 me me4096 2006-10-16 05:14 .Lists.Debian.User.history.2006q2/ drwx-- 6 me me4096 2006-10-16 05:16 .Lists.Debian.User.history.2006q3/ drwx-w 6 me me4096 2006-10-13 18:41 .Lists.Libranet-ot/ drwx-- 6 me me4096 2006-10-13 18:41 .Lists.Libranet-ot.CY2004/ drwx-- 6 me me4096 2006-10-13 18:41 .Lists.Libranet-ot.CY2005/ drwx-w 6 me me4096 2005-09-23 12:59 .Lists.Maildrop/ drwx-- 6 me me4096 2006-06-15 09:15 .Lists.postgresql/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: switching from mbox to maildir in mutt, exim, etc.: how?
Paul E Condon: I'm looking at my system backups and notice that there is some clutter form mbox files being updated almost daily. What kind of clutter? If you are doing incremental backups (in the form of diffs to previous versions) mbox should be alright. A good comparison between both formats is here: http://wiki.mutt.org/?MuttFaq/Maildir. [...] Where can I find a recent HOWTO that adresses Debian issues, if it is not bad? What you need to do heavily depends on your mail setup. What you need to do in mutt is described in the link above. If you are using procmail to sort mails into the right mailbox, you generally only need to append slashes to the mailbox names. E.g: MAILDIR=$HOME/Maildir/ DEFAULT=$MAILDIR :0 * ^List-Id: debian-user.lists.debian.org .debian.user/ In this case, you don't need to touch Exim's configuration at all. J. -- I no longer believe in father christmas but have no trouble comprehending a nuclear apocalypse. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: switching from mbox to maildir in mutt, exim, etc.: how?
Jochen Schulz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul E Condon: I'm looking at my system backups and notice that there is some clutter form mbox files being updated almost daily. What kind of clutter? If you are doing incremental backups (in the form of diffs to previous versions) mbox should be alright. A good comparison between both formats is here: http://wiki.mutt.org/?MuttFaq/Maildir. [...] Where can I find a recent HOWTO that adresses Debian issues, if it is not bad? What you need to do heavily depends on your mail setup. What you need to do in mutt is described in the link above. If you are using procmail to sort mails into the right mailbox, you generally only need to append slashes to the mailbox names. E.g: MAILDIR=$HOME/Maildir/ DEFAULT=$MAILDIR :0 * ^List-Id: debian-user.lists.debian.org .debian.user/ In this case, you don't need to touch Exim's configuration at all. Same for the maildrop MDA. getmail can also deliver directly to Maildirs. Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: switching from mbox to maildir in mutt, exim, etc.: how?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/27/06 16:25, Paul E Condon wrote: I'm looking at my system backups and notice that there is some clutter form mbox files being updated almost daily. I think the clutter would be reduced by switching to maildir (true?), but I wonder about other consequences of such a switch. In particular, when I google the topic of how to switch, I find only people asking the question, and some comment to the effect 'why bother?', but no answers. Is it a bad idea for reasons which I have not yet fathomed? Where can I find a recent HOWTO that adresses Debian issues, if it is not bad? You could implement IMAP. Courier- and Doveccot both support Maildir. However, I'm not sure what you mean by /clutter/. Constantly rewriting the mbox file keeps the fs busy, and might cause file conflicts. OTOH, Maildir creates one (weirdly-named) file per mail message. That *really* clutters up your data directory!!! That being said, I implemented an IMAP server, and am more than happy with it. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Is common sense really valid? For example, it is common sense to white-power racists that whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins are mud people. However, that common sense is obviously wrong. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFQ3A9S9HxQb37XmcRAlJLAJ9sLOGryX5+8jxWm3fYtvK1ALPndwCfRrNV mHw2geTboC/a78z8KuVqs1k= =sa5V -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sat, Oct 28, 2006 at 02:07:46PM +0200, Jochen Schulz wrote: Paul E Condon: I'm looking at my system backups and notice that there is some clutter form mbox files being updated almost daily. What kind of clutter? If you are doing incremental backups (in the form of diffs to previous versions) mbox should be alright. I use 'cp -au --backup=numbered /home /backup location' to make daily backup. With this, only new versions of files are copied to the backup each day. I can use ls to examine the history of updates of each file in backup location. But for active email correspondents, the whole collection of old emails is copied six or seven times per week. I can live with the waste of disk space, but I would like to see the time-stamp on individual messages from 'ls -l'. A good comparison between both formats is here: http://wiki.mutt.org/?MuttFaq/Maildir. Thanks. [...] Where can I find a recent HOWTO that adresses Debian issues, if it is not bad? What you need to do heavily depends on your mail setup. What you need to do in mutt is described in the link above. If you are using procmail to sort mails into the right mailbox, you generally only need to append slashes to the mailbox names. E.g: MAILDIR=$HOME/Maildir/ DEFAULT=$MAILDIR :0 * ^List-Id: debian-user.lists.debian.org .debian.user/ In this case, you don't need to touch Exim's configuration at all. J. -- I no longer believe in father christmas but have no trouble comprehending a nuclear apocalypse. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html -- Paul E Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sat, Oct 28, 2006 at 09:59:09AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/27/06 16:25, Paul E Condon wrote: I'm looking at my system backups and notice that there is some clutter form mbox files being updated almost daily. I think the clutter would be reduced by switching to maildir (true?), but I wonder about other consequences of such a switch. In particular, when I google the topic of how to switch, I find only people asking the question, and some comment to the effect 'why bother?', but no answers. Is it a bad idea for reasons which I have not yet fathomed? Where can I find a recent HOWTO that adresses Debian issues, if it is not bad? You could implement IMAP. Courier- and Doveccot both support Maildir. However, I'm not sure what you mean by /clutter/. Constantly rewriting the mbox file keeps the fs busy, and might cause file conflicts. OTOH, Maildir creates one (weirdly-named) file per mail message. That *really* clutters up your data directory!!! Thanks for the warning. Knowing this, I think I don't really want to switch. That being said, I implemented an IMAP server, and am more than happy with it. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Is common sense really valid? For example, it is common sense to white-power racists that whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins are mud people. However, that common sense is obviously wrong. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFQ3A9S9HxQb37XmcRAlJLAJ9sLOGryX5+8jxWm3fYtvK1ALPndwCfRrNV mHw2geTboC/a78z8KuVqs1k= =sa5V -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Paul E Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: switching from mbox to maildir in mutt, exim, etc.: how?
Paul E Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I'm looking at my system backups and notice that there is some clutter
form mbox files being updated almost daily. I think the clutter would
be reduced by switching to maildir (true?), but I wonder about other
consequences of such a switch. In particular, when I google the topic
of how to switch, I find only people asking the question, and some
comment to the effect 'why bother?', but no answers. Is it a bad idea
for reasons which I have not yet fathomed? Where can I find a recent
HOWTO that adresses Debian issues, if it is not bad?
If the clutter is stuff that you want to retain but not have in your
mailbox, you need only write a cronjob:
cat ${MAILDIR}/${f} | gzip \
$SOME_ARCHIVE_MAIL_DIR/${YEAR}_Mail_${f}.gz
cat /dev/null ${MAILDIR}/${f}
(suitably idiot-proofed, of course). :-) As for converting, there are
utilities out there that convert mbox to maildir format. Try
groups.google.* for that. From what I know, mbox is purported to be
more brittle or less robust than maildir, but some traditional *nix
related tools prefer mbox. I've never experienced the purported
brittleness.
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/28/06 10:01, Paul E Condon wrote: On Sat, Oct 28, 2006 at 02:07:46PM +0200, Jochen Schulz wrote: Paul E Condon: [snip] But for active email correspondents, the whole collection of old emails is copied six or seven times per week. I can live with the waste of disk space, but I would like to see the time-stamp on individual messages from 'ls -l'. Maildir does that... - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Is common sense really valid? For example, it is common sense to white-power racists that whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins are mud people. However, that common sense is obviously wrong. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFQ4JlS9HxQb37XmcRAl0jAKCZtXbiLKWtHecSWYiCcoaef8izrwCg4ONw Wvy83lcQgP3jB079QeLBQeA= =uRM8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/28/06 10:14, Paul E Condon wrote: On Sat, Oct 28, 2006 at 09:59:09AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 10/27/06 16:25, Paul E Condon wrote: I'm looking at my system backups and notice that there is some clutter form mbox files being updated almost daily. I think the clutter would be reduced by switching to maildir (true?), but I wonder about other consequences of such a switch. In particular, when I google the topic of how to switch, I find only people asking the question, and some comment to the effect 'why bother?', but no answers. Is it a bad idea for reasons which I have not yet fathomed? Where can I find a recent HOWTO that adresses Debian issues, if it is not bad? You could implement IMAP. Courier- and Doveccot both support Maildir. However, I'm not sure what you mean by /clutter/. Constantly rewriting the mbox file keeps the fs busy, and might cause file conflicts. OTOH, Maildir creates one (weirdly-named) file per mail message. That *really* clutters up your data directory!!! Thanks for the warning. Knowing this, I think I don't really want to switch. I don't see any problems, since I (almost) never go into my Maildir/ to peek around. That's what my MUA (and scripting languages) is for. That being said, I implemented an IMAP server, and am more than happy with it. Just now? Wow. Or are you populating using your MUA? - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Is common sense really valid? For example, it is common sense to white-power racists that whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins are mud people. However, that common sense is obviously wrong. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFQ4NcS9HxQb37XmcRAj9VAKDPy9EUUr8g8ZpoF9QXVh7mgZpi3gCfVbSR fBGnt4zvIfwmcUbpRNXkxUg= =/MV3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sat, Oct 28, 2006 at 11:20:44AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/28/06 10:14, Paul E Condon wrote: On Sat, Oct 28, 2006 at 09:59:09AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 10/27/06 16:25, Paul E Condon wrote: I'm looking at my system backups and notice that there is some clutter form mbox files being updated almost daily. I think the clutter would be reduced by switching to maildir (true?), but I wonder about other consequences of such a switch. In particular, when I google the topic of how to switch, I find only people asking the question, and some comment to the effect 'why bother?', but no answers. Is it a bad idea for reasons which I have not yet fathomed? Where can I find a recent HOWTO that adresses Debian issues, if it is not bad? You could implement IMAP. Courier- and Doveccot both support Maildir. However, I'm not sure what you mean by /clutter/. Constantly rewriting the mbox file keeps the fs busy, and might cause file conflicts. OTOH, Maildir creates one (weirdly-named) file per mail message. That *really* clutters up your data directory!!! Thanks for the warning. Knowing this, I think I don't really want to switch. I don't see any problems, since I (almost) never go into my Maildir/ to peek around. That's what my MUA (and scripting languages) is for. That being said, I implemented an IMAP server, and am more than happy with it. Just now? Wow. No. What I did was I failed to delete your statements beyond where I inserted a reply. Count the '' characters ;-). -- Paul E Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ron Johnson: On 10/28/06 10:01, Paul E Condon wrote: But for active email correspondents, the whole collection of old emails is copied six or seven times per week. I can live with the waste of disk space, but I would like to see the time-stamp on individual messages from 'ls -l'. Maildir does that... But one should mention that there are few automatically generated filenames that are as ugly (and mostly meaningless) as those of maildirs. J. -- Scientists know what they are talking about. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/28/06 16:26, Jochen Schulz wrote: Ron Johnson: On 10/28/06 10:01, Paul E Condon wrote: But for active email correspondents, the whole collection of old emails is copied six or seven times per week. I can live with the waste of disk space, but I would like to see the time-stamp on individual messages from 'ls -l'. Maildir does that... But one should mention that there are few automatically generated filenames that are as ugly (and mostly meaningless) as those of maildirs. Ugly? yes. Meaningless? Definitely not. For example, the first field in a Maildir name is the timestamp of the message's arrival time, another field in the node name, and another field is the file size. I'm sure that in an hour or so we could deduce the whole name's meaning. Besides, How often do you poke around Maildir/cur? - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Is common sense really valid? For example, it is common sense to white-power racists that whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins are mud people. However, that common sense is obviously wrong. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFQ86ZS9HxQb37XmcRAi8oAKCDqTOqoj/SgVbS4xz9Gs7Zepjb9wCgvbHp ElStOgV/cyvck/YaEctN6uM= =rmjT -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ron Johnson: On 10/28/06 16:26, Jochen Schulz wrote: But one should mention that there are few automatically generated filenames that are as ugly (and mostly meaningless) as those of maildirs. Ugly? yes. Meaningless? Definitely not. For example, the first field in a Maildir name is the timestamp of the message's arrival time, another field in the node name, and another field is the file size. I'm sure that in an hour or so we could deduce the whole name's meaning. Ah, you're (partly) right. I only had in mind that the mail's status (new, read, unread) may be part of the name. The corresponding Wikipedia article sounds like the file name scheme is not standardized, though: The filename can be almost any unique series of filename characters (except a colon), but a typical implementation might use the current time in seconds, the hostname, the process ID and some random numbers. And DJB (inventor of maildir) writes: Do not try to extract information from unique names. (http://cr.yp.to/proto/maildir.html) Besides, How often do you poke around Maildir/cur? I don't, but it sounded like the OP does. J. -- Every day in every way I am getting better and better. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: switching from mbox to maildir in mutt, exim, etc.: how?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/28/06 17:20, Jochen Schulz wrote: Ron Johnson: On 10/28/06 16:26, Jochen Schulz wrote: [snip] Besides, How often do you poke around Maildir/cur? I don't, but it sounded like the OP does. Who would want to, with thousands of (seemingly) meaningless 72 character names!!! :-0 - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Is common sense really valid? For example, it is common sense to white-power racists that whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins are mud people. However, that common sense is obviously wrong. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFRBAqS9HxQb37XmcRAmVSAJkBnmBUBzWWuGpjmV9clH9Trt9YJgCfV00L DbUqizG/wzDjN2aJBjmPg6Q= =Ck82 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
