Re: tbird broken

[Kamil Jońca]

Max Nikulin  writes:

> On 19/11/2022 18:59, Kamil Jońca wrote:
>>> On 18/11/2022 14:42, Kamil Jońca wrote:
 user_pref("mailnews.nntp.jsmodule", false);
> ...
>> But old implementation works, at least for me, while new not.
>
> I would say that both implementations have issues and I faced more
> painful bugs in the older one.
>
>> For example:
>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1788102
>
> Earlier you cited
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1777439
> "new JS NNTP implementation broken in TB 102: news articles are not
> shown in the preview pane nor message view tab."
> that is related to NNTP servers requiring authentication and closed as
> fixed in Thunderbird-102.

I found some time for testing and it seems to be not related to size ...
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1788102#c4

KJ


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Re: tbird broken

[David Wright]

On Fri 18 Nov 2022 at 23:07:37 (-0500), gene heskett wrote:
> On 11/18/22 19:05, Gareth Evans wrote:
> > > On 18 Nov 2022, at 23:29, gene heskett wrote:
> > > On 11/18/22 15:48, Curt wrote:
> > > > > On 2022-11-18, gene heskett wrote:
> > > > > On 11/18/22 08:05, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> > > > > > On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 11:53 PM gene heskett wrote:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I've just discovered that either tbird  is busted, or its missing
> > > > > > > whatever it takes to display a properly mimetyped base64 encoded 
> > > > > > > content.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > What do I install to make this work, I'm looking at an empty 
> > > > > > > screen when
> > > > > > > the raw msg has bout 10k of base64'd content.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > bullseye, intel i5, uptodate yesterday.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Maybe https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1777439 ?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > .
> > > > > This seems to be NNTP related. But this is imap email, and no errors 
> > > > > are
> > > > > reported, it simply does not decode and display base64'd content that
> > > > > appears to be properly MIMETYPED, boundary lines present and matched.
> > > > Maybe show the headers of the problem email, because I've read
> > > > Thunderbird is strict in that regard.
> > > 
> > > here is the msg up to the first line of the base64:
> > > Return-Path: 
> > > 
> > > Received: from 216.163.176.191 unverified ([216.163.176.191]) by 
> > > mwde08oc.mail2world.com with Mail2World SMTP Server;
> > > 
> > > Thu, 17 Nov 2022 18:50:54 -0800
> > > 
> > > Received: from [115.124.28.121] (port=37128 
> > > helo=out28-121.mail.aliyun.com)
> > > 
> > > by prd-mail2world-inbound-ash1-018.ash1.cynet with esmtps  (TLS1.2) 
> > > tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384
> > > 
> > > (Exim 4.94.2)
> > > 
> > > (envelope-from )
> > > 
> > > id 1ovrT7-000c7v-2g
> > > 
> > > for ghesk...@shentel.net; Fri, 18 Nov 2022 02:51:05 +
> > > 
> > > X-Alimail-AntiSpam:AC=PASS;BC=-1|-1;BR=01201311R211e2;CH=green;DM=||false|;DS=||;FP=0|-1|-1|-1|0|-1|-1|-1;HT=ay29a033018047194;MF=c...@omc-stepperonline.com;NM=1;PH=DS;RN=1;RT=1;SR=0;TI=SMTPD_---.QADTSrI_1668739861;
> > > 
> > > Received: from iZuf677iw3xihpZ(mailfrom:c...@omc-stepperonline.com 
> > > fp:SMTPD_---.QADTSrI_1668739861)
> > > 
> > >   by smtp.aliyun-inc.com;
> > > 
> > >   Fri, 18 Nov 2022 10:51:01 +0800
> > > 
> > > Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 10:51:01 +0800 (CST)
> > > 
> > > From: c...@omc-stepperonline.com
> > > 
> > > To: gene heskett 
> > > 
> > > Message-ID: <288312227.165.1668739861266@iZuf677iw3xihpZ>
> > > 
> > > Subject: Re:Re: STEPPERONLINE - Enquiry from ghesk...@shentel.net
> > > 
> > > MIME-Version: 1.0
> > > 
> > > Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
> > > 
> > > boundary="=_Part_164_535344686.1668739861264"
> > > 
> > > X-mailer: javamail@rebee
> > > 
> > > X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown
> > > 
> > > X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown
> > > 
> > > x-ctasd: uncategorized
> > > 
> > > x-ctasd-vod: uncategorized
> > > 
> > > X-CTCH-Flags: 0
> > > 
> > > X-CTCH-RefID: 
> > > str=0001.0A742F21.6376F319.001D:SCFSTAT68748618,ss=1,re=-4.000,recu=0.000,reip=0.000,cl=1,cld=1,fgs=0
> > > 
> > > X-CTASD-IP: 115.124.28.121
> > > 
> > > X-CTASD-Sender: c...@omc-stepperonline.com
> > > 
> > > X-OpenTrafficX: clean
> > > 
> > > X-OpenTrafficX-type: clean
> > > 
> > > X-OpenTrafficX-ID: 155810::1668739865-C1AB8BFC-07DF5517/0/0
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --=_Part_164_535344686.1668739861264
> > > 
> > > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8
> > > 
> > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --=_Part_164_535344686.1668739861264
> > > 
> > > Content-Type: text/html;charset=UTF-8
> > > 
> > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > PEhUTUw+PEJPRFk+PHNwYW4gc3R5bGU9ImNvbG9yOiMwMDAwMDA7Ij48c3BhbiBzdHlsZT0iZm9u
> > > 
> > > dC1mYW1pbHk6QXJpYWwsSG
> > > > .
> > > 
> > 
> > Are the blank lines between the headers verbatim from the source?
> > 
> > iirc, headers (that is, the lot of them) are supposed to be terminated by a 
> > blank line (double line break) before message content/multipart 
> > boundaries/blocks begin, so that may be part of the problem.  Do the 
> > headers of other base64 messages look like this?
> > 
> You're right of coarse, and yes, that was a straight copy paste from a
> geany session on the saved message, so all that double line spacing
> was part of the incoming message. So their copy of javamail, whatever
> the heck that is, is sending bogus emails. That double spaced
> mime-boundary is sick bird. I had forgotten that. Thank you for
> reminding me.

This thread obviously moved on while I was on the road, so this
is just a curtesy reply.

It's not uncommon for people to post HTML without any text version
to accompany it, eg, some (but not all) alerts from Bank of America,
and other times the text version can have different information from
the HTML version, but it's rarer to get a 

Re: tbird broken

[Max Nikulin]

On 19/11/2022 18:59, Kamil Jońca wrote:

On 18/11/2022 14:42, Kamil Jońca wrote:

user_pref("mailnews.nntp.jsmodule", false);

...

But old implementation works, at least for me, while new not.


I would say that both implementations have issues and I faced more 
painful bugs in the older one.



For example:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1788102


Earlier you cited
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1777439
"new JS NNTP implementation broken in TB 102: news articles are not 
shown in the preview pane nor message view tab."
that is related to NNTP servers requiring authentication and closed as 
fixed in Thunderbird-102.


Concerning the bug 1788102 "huge articles unreadable on first reading 
but show correctly later (once download fully completed?)", I am afraid, 
you are out of luck, unless you will manage to provide clear steps to 
reproduce. I will not be surprised if the developers decide to drop old 
implementation before some later extended support release.


Have you tried to sort messages by size in public newsgroups to find 
large messages? Would it "help" to limit network bandwidth using 
iptables/nftables? Even setting "mailnews.nntp.loglevel" to "All" and 
restarting Thunderbird might shed some light on the issue.

Re: tbird broken

[Anssi Saari]

gene heskett  writes:

> And I'll repeat one more time, then I'm done, there is NO html content
> in the messages, not even a mimetype boundary for it.

Except for this:

--=_Part_88_360748977.1668870493425
Content-Type: text/html;charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64

> Here is a verbatum copy/paste of the most recent msg of several I have
> received from this online seller:

I saved that to a file and after fixing two header lines that were
apparently wrapped at some point, Thunderbird opened it without
issue. mutt too. Thunderbird 102.5.0 from Debian's package
1:102.5.0-1~deb11u1.

All I can see wrong in the emails is that there's an empty text/plain
part but I don't see how that's an issue? I don't know if that's allowed
in MIME but one assumes. If I go View->Message body as->Plain Text, then
I get a blank message window since, well, the plain text part *is*
empty.

Re: tbird broken

[gene heskett]

On 11/19/22 12:57, Greg Wooledge wrote:

On Sat, Nov 19, 2022 at 11:44:49AM -0500, gene heskett wrote:

And I'll repeat one more time, then I'm done, there is NO html content in
the messages, not even a mimetype boundary for it.


How do you reach this conclusion?


--=_Part_88_360748977.1668870493425
Content-Type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64


--=_Part_88_360748977.1668870493425
Content-Type: text/html;charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64

PEhUTUw+PEJPRFk+PHNwYW4gaWQ9ImNrLW1haWwtY29udGVudCIgc3R5bGU9ImZvbnQtZmFtaWx5
OkFyaWFsO2ZvbnQtc2l6ZToxNHB4O2NvbG9yOiMwMDAwMDA7Ij5EZWFyIEdlbmUsPGJyIC8+Cjxi

[...]

It says "Content-type: text/html".  It's CLEARLY supposed to be HTML
content.

If you're not SEEING the HTML content, that's one thing, but to say that
there's none in the message is incorrect.

.
I finally got a decoder installed, and decoded the base64, and its all 
HTML. Which I read as text. And found that ordering from mainland china 
is not monetarily feasible, 33usd freight on a 20 dollar motor? I'll 
burn this one up first.


Cheers, Gene Heskett.
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 - Louis D. Brandeis
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Re: tbird broken

[Greg Wooledge]

On Sat, Nov 19, 2022 at 11:44:49AM -0500, gene heskett wrote:
> And I'll repeat one more time, then I'm done, there is NO html content in
> the messages, not even a mimetype boundary for it.

How do you reach this conclusion?

> --=_Part_88_360748977.1668870493425
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
> 
> 
> --=_Part_88_360748977.1668870493425
> Content-Type: text/html;charset=UTF-8
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
> 
> PEhUTUw+PEJPRFk+PHNwYW4gaWQ9ImNrLW1haWwtY29udGVudCIgc3R5bGU9ImZvbnQtZmFtaWx5
> OkFyaWFsO2ZvbnQtc2l6ZToxNHB4O2NvbG9yOiMwMDAwMDA7Ij5EZWFyIEdlbmUsPGJyIC8+Cjxi
[...]

It says "Content-type: text/html".  It's CLEARLY supposed to be HTML
content.

If you're not SEEING the HTML content, that's one thing, but to say that
there's none in the message is incorrect.

Re: tbird broken

[gene heskett]

On 11/19/22 06:45, Gareth Evans wrote:



On 19 Nov 2022, at 10:17, Gareth Evans  wrote:



On 19 Nov 2022, at 04:08, gene heskett  wrote:

On 11/18/22 19:05, Gareth Evans wrote:

[...]

iirc, headers (that is, the lot of them) are supposed to be terminated by a 
blank line (double line break) before message content/multipart 
boundaries/blocks begin


[...]


You're right of coarse, and yes, that was a straight copy paste from a geany 
session on the saved message [...]


If you view the message source in Thunderbird, are the individual headers still 
separated by blank lines?  Saving the message and examining the output  
introduces the possibility of CRLF line endings, which Geany may not convert.


I think David Wright is correct that Tb is showing the (empty) plain text 
section.  I didn't notice this at first as I was struck by the blank lines and 
didn't look any further.

If there were blank lines between headers in the raw message, I think Tb would 
be displaying the contents of the raw message after the first blank line, in 
plaintext, because the chain of headers had been broken at that point, and 
multipart boundaries etc not interpreted.

So I think the blank lines in headers are probably a red herring, however they 
got there.

The base64-encoded string in the text/html part (which begins "PEhUT...") 
converts to HTML:

https://devpal.co/base64-decode/?data=PEhUTUw%2BPEJPRFk%2BPHNwYW4gc3R5bGU9ImNvbG9yOiMwMDAwMDA7Ij48c3BhbiBzdHlsZT0iZm9u%0A%0AdC1mYW1pbHk6QXJpYWwsSG


=_Part_164_535344686.1668739861264
Content-Type: text/html;charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
PEhUT...


What happens if you try (in Tb)

View > Message Body As > Original HTML

?


And I'll repeat one more time, then I'm done, there is NO html content 
in the messages, not even a mimetype boundary for it.


Here is a verbatum copy/paste of the most recent msg of several I have 
received from this online seller:

==
Return-Path: 
Received: from 216.163.176.191 unverified ([216.163.176.191]) by 
mwweb09oc.mail2world.com with Mail2World SMTP Server;

Sat, 19 Nov 2022 07:08:13 -0800
Received: from [47.90.198.27] (port=48703 
helo=out198-27.us.a.mail.aliyun.com)
	by prd-mail2world-inbound-ash1-008.ash1.cynet with esmtps  (TLS1.2) tls 
TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384

(Exim 4.94.2)
(envelope-from )
id 1owPSF-0002kY-Pd
for ghesk...@shentel.net; Sat, 19 Nov 2022 15:08:28 +
X-Alimail-AntiSpam:AC=PASS;BC=-1|-1;BR=01201311R191e2;CH=green;DM=||false|;DS=||;FP=0|-1|-1|-1|0|-1|-1|-1;HT=ay29a033018047206;MF=c...@omc-stepperonline.com;NM=1;PH=DS;RN=1;RT=1;SR=0;TI=SMTPD_---.QBl8rV7_1668870493;
Received: from iZuf677iw3xihpZ(mailfrom:c...@omc-stepperonline.com 
fp:SMTPD_---.QBl8rV7_1668870493)

  by smtp.aliyun-inc.com;
  Sat, 19 Nov 2022 23:08:13 +0800
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2022 23:08:13 +0800 (CST)
From: c...@omc-stepperonline.com
To: gene heskett 
Message-ID: <457669489.89.1668870493425@iZuf677iw3xihpZ>
Subject: Re:We found the problem as to why I cannot "see" your emails.
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary="=_Part_88_360748977.1668870493425"
X-mailer: javamail@rebee
X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown
X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown
x-ctasd: uncategorized
x-ctasd-vod: uncategorized
X-CTCH-Flags: 0
X-CTCH-RefID: 
str=0001.0A742F15.6378F16C.000F,ss=1,re=0.000,recu=0.000,reip=0.000,cl=1,cld=1,fgs=0

X-CTASD-IP: 47.90.198.27
X-CTASD-Sender: c...@omc-stepperonline.com
X-OpenTrafficX: clean
X-OpenTrafficX-type: clean
X-OpenTrafficX-ID: 155810::1668870508-ABFD6BA6-19F98021/0/0

--=_Part_88_360748977.1668870493425
Content-Type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64


--=_Part_88_360748977.1668870493425
Content-Type: text/html;charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
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Re: tbird broken

[Gareth Evans]

On Sat 19 Nov 2022, at 11:23, gene heskett  wrote:
[...]
> Looks like that is part of the problem. viewing src, the only thing 
> wrong is:
>
> --=_Part_191_372484550.1668746343067
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
>
>
> --=_Part_191_372484550.1668746343067
> Content-Type: text/html;charset=UTF-8
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
>
> Separated by the two blanks you see here. 

That looks OK to me.  

If I view the source of a multipart message in Thunderbird (View > Message 
Source), this is the format... (best viewed where lines won't be wrapped as 
this may introduce the appearance of hard line breaks where there are none, 
particularly at "boundary=..."):

### raw message begins
[...headers...]
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2022 17:07:49 +
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
 boundary="05d45c0af5b4a05c4d1a60402fc7d9d8c838760bf374b72dc544e84ccb23"
[...more headers...]
Message-Id: [redacted] 

--05d45c0af5b4a05c4d1a60402fc7d9d8c838760bf374b72dc544e84ccb23
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Never miss a deal!  [...]
--05d45c0af5b4a05c4d1a60402fc7d9d8c838760bf374b72dc544e84ccb23
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Content-Type: text/html; charset=ascii

 [...]

--05d45c0af5b4a05c4d1a60402fc7d9d8c838760bf374b72dc544e84ccb23--
### raw message ends

So it seems a single blank line is required: 

- after the headers
- to separate boundary blocks from _subsequent_ content

but newlines preceding a boundary block (except the line after the headers) 
seem to be optional, and part of the section's content if present.

Does a single blank line appear in the plaintext view of your message?  If you 
ctrl+A ctrl+C, can you paste a blank line into a text editor?

Re: tbird broken

[Kamil Jońca]

Max Nikulin  writes:

> On 18/11/2022 14:42, Kamil Jońca wrote:
>> user_pref("mailnews.nntp.jsmodule", false);
>> might help
>
> Notice that Thunderbird developers are closing bugs related to the old
> NNTP implementation marking them WONTFIX.
>

But old implementation works, at least for me, while new not.
For example:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1788102

KJ

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Re: tbird broken

[Gareth Evans]

> On 19 Nov 2022, at 10:17, Gareth Evans  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 19 Nov 2022, at 04:08, gene heskett  wrote:
>> 
>> On 11/18/22 19:05, Gareth Evans wrote:
> [...]
>>> iirc, headers (that is, the lot of them) are supposed to be terminated by a 
>>> blank line (double line break) before message content/multipart 
>>> boundaries/blocks begin
> 
> [...]
> 
>> You're right of coarse, and yes, that was a straight copy paste from a geany 
>> session on the saved message [...]
> 
> If you view the message source in Thunderbird, are the individual headers 
> still separated by blank lines?  Saving the message and examining the output  
> introduces the possibility of CRLF line endings, which Geany may not convert.

I think David Wright is correct that Tb is showing the (empty) plain text 
section.  I didn't notice this at first as I was struck by the blank lines and 
didn't look any further.  

If there were blank lines between headers in the raw message, I think Tb would 
be displaying the contents of the raw message after the first blank line, in 
plaintext, because the chain of headers had been broken at that point, and 
multipart boundaries etc not interpreted.

So I think the blank lines in headers are probably a red herring, however they 
got there.

The base64-encoded string in the text/html part (which begins "PEhUT...") 
converts to HTML:

https://devpal.co/base64-decode/?data=PEhUTUw%2BPEJPRFk%2BPHNwYW4gc3R5bGU9ImNvbG9yOiMwMDAwMDA7Ij48c3BhbiBzdHlsZT0iZm9u%0A%0AdC1mYW1pbHk6QXJpYWwsSG

>> =_Part_164_535344686.1668739861264
>> Content-Type: text/html;charset=UTF-8
>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
>> PEhUT...

What happens if you try (in Tb)

View > Message Body As > Original HTML

?

Re: tbird broken

[gene heskett]

On 11/19/22 05:17, Gareth Evans wrote:




On 19 Nov 2022, at 04:08, gene heskett  wrote:

On 11/18/22 19:05, Gareth Evans wrote:

[...]

iirc, headers (that is, the lot of them) are supposed to be terminated by a 
blank line (double line break) before message content/multipart 
boundaries/blocks begin


[...]


You're right of coarse, and yes, that was a straight copy paste from a geany 
session on the saved message [...]


If you view the message source in Thunderbird, are the individual headers still 
separated by blank lines?  Saving the message and examining the output  
introduces the possibility of CRLF line endings, which Geany may not convert.
.
Looks like that is part of the problem. viewing src, the only thing 
wrong is:


--=_Part_191_372484550.1668746343067
Content-Type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64


--=_Part_191_372484550.1668746343067
Content-Type: text/html;charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64

Separated by the two blanks you see here. That is a direct copy/paste. 
There is a mime-boundary declaration about 30 single spaced lines above 
this.


This, from what I learned about mime 30 years ago, should not be 
illegal, but might confuse tbird if I recall that correctly.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: tbird broken

[Max Nikulin]

On 18/11/2022 14:42, Kamil Jońca wrote:


user_pref("mailnews.nntp.jsmodule", false);
might help


Notice that Thunderbird developers are closing bugs related to the old 
NNTP implementation marking them WONTFIX.

Re: tbird broken

[Gareth Evans]

> On 19 Nov 2022, at 04:08, gene heskett  wrote:
> 
> On 11/18/22 19:05, Gareth Evans wrote:
 [...]
>> iirc, headers (that is, the lot of them) are supposed to be terminated by a 
>> blank line (double line break) before message content/multipart 
>> boundaries/blocks begin

[...]

> You're right of coarse, and yes, that was a straight copy paste from a geany 
> session on the saved message [...]

If you view the message source in Thunderbird, are the individual headers still 
separated by blank lines?  Saving the message and examining the output  
introduces the possibility of CRLF line endings, which Geany may not convert.

Re: tbird broken

[gene heskett]

On 11/18/22 19:16, David Wright wrote:

On Fri 18 Nov 2022 at 18:29:24 (-0500), gene heskett wrote:

X-OpenTrafficX-type: clean

X-OpenTrafficX-ID: 155810::1668739865-C1AB8BFC-07DF5517/0/0



--=_Part_164_535344686.1668739861264

Content-Type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8

Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64





--=_Part_164_535344686.1668739861264

Content-Type: text/html;charset=UTF-8

Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64



PEhUTUw+PEJPRFk+PHNwYW4gc3R5bGU9ImNvbG9yOiMwMDAwMDA7Ij48c3BhbiBzdHlsZT0iZm9u

dC1mYW1pbHk6QXJpYWwsSG


AFAICT the MUA is displaying the message correctly if it's been asked
to display the text version rather than the HTML, which is how mine
is set.


same here.


If you remove these three lines:


--=_Part_164_535344686.1668739861264
Content-Type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64


your MUA should display the HTML instead.


But there is no html content. Just the double spaced mime-boundary's. 
I've removed the extra junk, but now tbird is insisting on a zip file to 
import, so how do I import this saved, edited file back into tbird as if 
it was incoming mail?


Cheers,
David.

.


Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: tbird broken

[gene heskett]

On 11/18/22 19:05, Gareth Evans wrote:




On 18 Nov 2022, at 23:29, gene heskett  wrote:

On 11/18/22 15:48, Curt wrote:

On 2022-11-18, gene heskett  wrote:
On 11/18/22 08:05, Jeffrey Walton wrote:

On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 11:53 PM gene heskett  wrote:


I've just discovered that either tbird  is busted, or its missing
whatever it takes to display a properly mimetyped base64 encoded content.

What do I install to make this work, I'm looking at an empty screen when
the raw msg has bout 10k of base64'd content.

bullseye, intel i5, uptodate yesterday.


Maybe https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1777439 ?

.

This seems to be NNTP related. But this is imap email, and no errors are
reported, it simply does not decode and display base64'd content that
appears to be properly MIMETYPED, boundary lines present and matched.

Maybe show the headers of the problem email, because I've read
Thunderbird is strict in that regard.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.


here is the msg up to the first line of the base64:
Return-Path: 

Received: from 216.163.176.191 unverified ([216.163.176.191]) by 
mwde08oc.mail2world.com with Mail2World SMTP Server;

Thu, 17 Nov 2022 18:50:54 -0800

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From: c...@omc-stepperonline.com

To: gene heskett 

Message-ID: <288312227.165.1668739861266@iZuf677iw3xihpZ>

Subject: Re:Re: STEPPERONLINE - Enquiry from ghesk...@shentel.net

MIME-Version: 1.0

Content-Type: multipart/alternative;

boundary="=_Part_164_535344686.1668739861264"

X-mailer: javamail@rebee

X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown

X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown

x-ctasd: uncategorized

x-ctasd-vod: uncategorized

X-CTCH-Flags: 0

X-CTCH-RefID: 
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--=_Part_164_535344686.1668739861264

Content-Type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8

Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64





--=_Part_164_535344686.1668739861264

Content-Type: text/html;charset=UTF-8

Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64



PEhUTUw+PEJPRFk+PHNwYW4gc3R5bGU9ImNvbG9yOiMwMDAwMDA7Ij48c3BhbiBzdHlsZT0iZm9u

dC1mYW1pbHk6QXJpYWwsSG

.


Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
- Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 



Are the blank lines between the headers verbatim from the source?

iirc, headers (that is, the lot of them) are supposed to be terminated by a 
blank line (double line break) before message content/multipart 
boundaries/blocks begin, so that may be part of the problem.  Do the headers of 
other base64 messages look like this?

Thanks
Gareth


You're right of coarse, and yes, that was a straight copy paste from a 
geany session on the saved message, so all that double line spacing was 
part of the incoming message. So their copy of javamail, whatever the 
heck that is, is sending bogus emails. That double spaced mime-boundary 
is sick bird. I had forgotten that. Thank you for reminding me.

.


Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: tbird broken

[gene heskett]

On 11/18/22 18:44, Porter Smith wrote:

You could try doing a sudo apt --fix-broken install. I know that this trick 
works for me then again I am using a fully patched  installation of Debian 11 
Bullseye.

So do I. The only thing that did was have me do an autoremove of an old 
python3-distro-info file.



This being said I also have both the application spacifoc repositories for 
Googlechrome and Oracle Virtual Box.


I don't have those, the less google, the better IMO.


Thanks.
Chip


[...]

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: tbird broken

[David Wright]

On Fri 18 Nov 2022 at 18:29:24 (-0500), gene heskett wrote:
> X-OpenTrafficX-type: clean
> 
> X-OpenTrafficX-ID: 155810::1668739865-C1AB8BFC-07DF5517/0/0
> 
> 
> 
> --=_Part_164_535344686.1668739861264
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8
> 
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --=_Part_164_535344686.1668739861264
> 
> Content-Type: text/html;charset=UTF-8
> 
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
> 
> 
> 
> PEhUTUw+PEJPRFk+PHNwYW4gc3R5bGU9ImNvbG9yOiMwMDAwMDA7Ij48c3BhbiBzdHlsZT0iZm9u
> 
> dC1mYW1pbHk6QXJpYWwsSG

AFAICT the MUA is displaying the message correctly if it's been asked
to display the text version rather than the HTML, which is how mine
is set.

If you remove these three lines:

> --=_Part_164_535344686.1668739861264
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64

your MUA should display the HTML instead.

Cheers,
David.

Re: tbird broken

[Michael Stone]

On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 06:14:23PM -0500, gene heskett wrote:
Since when does a total lack of html content, disable MIME handling?? 
That seems like a whopper of a bug to me since MIME was around and 
working quite well in the later '80's.


MIME was standardized in 1992 and wasn't particularly well supported 
until the late 90s.

Re: tbird broken

[Gareth Evans]

> On 18 Nov 2022, at 23:29, gene heskett  wrote:
> 
> On 11/18/22 15:48, Curt wrote:
>>> On 2022-11-18, gene heskett  wrote:
>>> On 11/18/22 08:05, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
 On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 11:53 PM gene heskett  wrote:
> 
> I've just discovered that either tbird  is busted, or its missing
> whatever it takes to display a properly mimetyped base64 encoded content.
> 
> What do I install to make this work, I'm looking at an empty screen when
> the raw msg has bout 10k of base64'd content.
> 
> bullseye, intel i5, uptodate yesterday.
 
 Maybe https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1777439 ?
 
 .
>>> This seems to be NNTP related. But this is imap email, and no errors are
>>> reported, it simply does not decode and display base64'd content that
>>> appears to be properly MIMETYPED, boundary lines present and matched.
>> Maybe show the headers of the problem email, because I've read
>> Thunderbird is strict in that regard.
>>> Cheers, Gene Heskett.
> 
> here is the msg up to the first line of the base64:
> Return-Path: 
> 
> Received: from 216.163.176.191 unverified ([216.163.176.191]) by 
> mwde08oc.mail2world.com with Mail2World SMTP Server;
> 
>Thu, 17 Nov 2022 18:50:54 -0800
> 
> Received: from [115.124.28.121] (port=37128 helo=out28-121.mail.aliyun.com)
> 
>by prd-mail2world-inbound-ash1-018.ash1.cynet with esmtps  (TLS1.2) tls 
> TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384
> 
>(Exim 4.94.2)
> 
>(envelope-from )
> 
>id 1ovrT7-000c7v-2g
> 
>for ghesk...@shentel.net; Fri, 18 Nov 2022 02:51:05 +
> 
> X-Alimail-AntiSpam:AC=PASS;BC=-1|-1;BR=01201311R211e2;CH=green;DM=||false|;DS=||;FP=0|-1|-1|-1|0|-1|-1|-1;HT=ay29a033018047194;MF=c...@omc-stepperonline.com;NM=1;PH=DS;RN=1;RT=1;SR=0;TI=SMTPD_---.QADTSrI_1668739861;
> 
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> fp:SMTPD_---.QADTSrI_1668739861)
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>  Fri, 18 Nov 2022 10:51:01 +0800
> 
> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 10:51:01 +0800 (CST)
> 
> From: c...@omc-stepperonline.com
> 
> To: gene heskett 
> 
> Message-ID: <288312227.165.1668739861266@iZuf677iw3xihpZ>
> 
> Subject: Re:Re: STEPPERONLINE - Enquiry from ghesk...@shentel.net
> 
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> 
> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
> 
>boundary="=_Part_164_535344686.1668739861264"
> 
> X-mailer: javamail@rebee
> 
> X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown
> 
> X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown
> 
> x-ctasd: uncategorized
> 
> x-ctasd-vod: uncategorized
> 
> X-CTCH-Flags: 0
> 
> X-CTCH-RefID: 
> str=0001.0A742F21.6376F319.001D:SCFSTAT68748618,ss=1,re=-4.000,recu=0.000,reip=0.000,cl=1,cld=1,fgs=0
> 
> X-CTASD-IP: 115.124.28.121
> 
> X-CTASD-Sender: c...@omc-stepperonline.com
> 
> X-OpenTrafficX: clean
> 
> X-OpenTrafficX-type: clean
> 
> X-OpenTrafficX-ID: 155810::1668739865-C1AB8BFC-07DF5517/0/0
> 
> 
> 
> --=_Part_164_535344686.1668739861264
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8
> 
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --=_Part_164_535344686.1668739861264
> 
> Content-Type: text/html;charset=UTF-8
> 
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
> 
> 
> 
> PEhUTUw+PEJPRFk+PHNwYW4gc3R5bGU9ImNvbG9yOiMwMDAwMDA7Ij48c3BhbiBzdHlsZT0iZm9u
> 
> dC1mYW1pbHk6QXJpYWwsSG
>> .
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett.
> -- 
> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
> soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
> - Louis D. Brandeis
> Genes Web page 
> 

Are the blank lines between the headers verbatim from the source?

iirc, headers (that is, the lot of them) are supposed to be terminated by a 
blank line (double line break) before message content/multipart 
boundaries/blocks begin, so that may be part of the problem.  Do the headers of 
other base64 messages look like this?

Thanks
Gareth

Re: tbird broken

[Porter Smith]

You could try doing a sudo apt --fix-broken install. I know that this trick 
works for me then again I am using a fully patched  installation of Debian 11 
Bullseye.  

This being said I also have both the application spacifoc repositories for 
Googlechrome and Oracle Virtual Box.

Thanks. 
Chip

On November 18, 2022 5:55:08 PM EST, gene heskett  wrote:
>On 11/18/22 13:06, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
>> On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 12:03 PM gene heskett  wrote:
>>> ...
>>> Synaptic shows me quite a few base64 thingies, but which one does tbird,
>>> as shipped for bullseye, use?
>>> 
>>> Or even better, is there a way to query apt to get a list of recommended
>>> dependencies.
>> 
>> Below is from Ubuntu (not Debian), but I believe it works with Denian, too.
>> 
>
>No mention of anything base64 related, in your output, or mine. But mine is 
>considerably older than yours. I get:
>Version: 1:91.13.0-1~deb11u1
>
>> $ apt-cache show thunderbird
>> Package: thunderbird
>> Architecture: amd64
>> Version: 1:102.4.2+build2-0ubuntu0.20.04.1
>> Priority: optional
>> Section: mail
>> Origin: Ubuntu
>> Maintainer: Ubuntu Mozilla Team 
>> Bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug
>> Installed-Size: 234663
>> Provides: mail-reader
>> Depends: libasound2 (>= 1.0.16), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.4), libc6 (>=
>> 2.30), libcairo-gobject2 (>= 1.10.0), libcairo2 (>= 1.10.0),
>> libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.9.14), libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.78), libfontconfig1
>> (>= 2.12.6), libfreetype6 (>= 2.10.1), libgcc-s1 (>= 3.3),
>> libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 (>= 2.22.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.37.3), libgtk-3-0
>> (>= 3.13.7), libharfbuzz0b (>= 0.6.0), libpango-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0),
>> libpangocairo-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libstdc++6 (>= 9), libx11-6,
>> libx11-xcb1 (>= 2:1.6.9), libxcb-shm0, libxcb1, libxcomposite1 (>=
>> 1:0.4.5), libxcursor1 (>> 1.1.2), libxdamage1 (>= 1:1.1), libxext6,
>> libxfixes3, libxi6, libxrandr2 (>= 2:1.4.0), libxrender1, libxtst6
>> Recommends: myspell-en-us | hunspell-dictionary | myspell-dictionary,
>> libcanberra0, libdbusmenu-glib4, libdbusmenu-gtk3-4
>> Suggests: thunderbird-gnome-support, ttf-lyx, libotr5
>> Conflicts: mozilla-thunderbird
>> Breaks: enigmail (<< 2:2.2), jsunit (<< 0.2.2-2ubuntu1),
>> thunderbird-gnome-support (<= 3.0.4+nobinonly-0ubuntu3), tinyjsd (<<
>> 1.2+git1-1ubuntu1)
>> Replaces: mozilla-thunderbird, thunderbird-gnome-support (<=
>> 3.0.4+nobinonly-0ubuntu3)
>> Filename: 
>> pool/main/t/thunderbird/thunderbird_102.4.2+build2-0ubuntu0.20.04.1_amd64.deb
>> Size: 57647748
>> MD5sum: 36fce2a754957d44ff9463f43091f457
>> SHA1: f252d1668816cd6d82d48e8e89b6180ad62c375d
>> SHA256: 27980be5e8756f4a781688031e261bea2c99a2a11b28e7a0747cd0ded2ba7570
>> SHA512: 
>> 23f71e605377fd5af88022a2b2bee2fba41ce0fe41c13009afd8b3037a0f7c953f9eb548ef6027f5b137837e1e41b46cf699556e8aeb93d753e94297a98a
>> Description-en: Email, RSS and newsgroup client with integrated spam filter
>>   Thunderbird is a full-featured email, RSS and newsgroup client that makes
>>   emailing safer, faster and easier than ever before. It supports different 
>> mail
>>   accounts (POP, IMAP, Gmail), has a simple mail account setup wizard, one-
>>   click address book, tabbed interface, an integrated learning spam filter,
>>   advanced search and indexing capabilities, and offers easy organization
>>   of mails with tagging and virtual folders. It also features unrivalled
>>   extensibility.
>> Description-md5: 68ed1001b79d708ad48956a0c129114d
>> Task: ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-desktop-default-languages,
>> ubuntu-desktop-default-languages, ubuntu-desktop-default-languages,
>> ubuntu-desktop-default-languages, ubuntu-desktop-default-languages,
>> ubuntu-desktop-default-languages, ubuntu-desktop-default-languages,
>> ubuntu-desktop-default-languages, kubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-full,
>> xubuntu-desktop, ubuntustudio-desktop, ubuntukylin-desktop
>> 
>> Package: thunderbird
>> Architecture: amd64
>> Version: 1:68.7.0+build1-0ubuntu2
>> Priority: optional
>> Section: mail
>> Origin: Ubuntu
>> Maintainer: Ubuntu Mozilla Team 
>> Bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug
>> Installed-Size: 174096
>> Provides: mail-reader
>> Depends: libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.4), libc6 (>= 2.30), libcairo-gobject2
>> (>= 1.10.0), libcairo2 (>= 1.10.0), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.9.14),
>> libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.78), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.12.6), libfreetype6
>> (>= 2.10.1), libgcc-s1 (>= 3.3), libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 (>= 2.22.0),
>> libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.31.8), libgtk-3-0 (>= 3.4), libharfbuzz0b (>=
>> 0.6.0), libpango-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libpangocairo-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0),
>> libpangoft2-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libsqlite3-0 (>= 3.14.0),
>> libstartup-notification0 (>= 0.8), libstdc++6 (>= 9), libx11-6,
>> libx11-xcb1 (>= 2:1.6.9), libxcb-shm0, libxcb1, libxcomposite1 (>=
>> 1:0.3-1), libxcursor1 (>> 1.1.2), libxdamage1 (>= 1:1.1), libxext6,
>> libxfixes3, libxi6, libxrender1, libxt6
>> Recommends: myspell-en-us | hunspell-dictionary | myspell-dictionary,
>> libcanberra0, libdbusmenu-glib4, libdbusmenu-gtk3-4
>> Suggests: 

Re: tbird broken

[gene heskett]

On 11/18/22 15:48, Curt wrote:

On 2022-11-18, gene heskett  wrote:

On 11/18/22 08:05, Jeffrey Walton wrote:

On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 11:53 PM gene heskett  wrote:


I've just discovered that either tbird  is busted, or its missing
whatever it takes to display a properly mimetyped base64 encoded content.

What do I install to make this work, I'm looking at an empty screen when
the raw msg has bout 10k of base64'd content.

bullseye, intel i5, uptodate yesterday.


Maybe https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1777439 ?

.

This seems to be NNTP related. But this is imap email, and no errors are
reported, it simply does not decode and display base64'd content that
appears to be properly MIMETYPED, boundary lines present and matched.


Maybe show the headers of the problem email, because I've read
Thunderbird is strict in that regard.


Cheers, Gene Heskett.




here is the msg up to the first line of the base64:
Return-Path: 

Received: from 216.163.176.191 unverified ([216.163.176.191]) by 
mwde08oc.mail2world.com with Mail2World SMTP Server;


Thu, 17 Nov 2022 18:50:54 -0800

Received: from [115.124.28.121] (port=37128 helo=out28-121.mail.aliyun.com)

	by prd-mail2world-inbound-ash1-018.ash1.cynet with esmtps  (TLS1.2) tls 
TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384


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Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: tbird broken

[gene heskett]

On 11/18/22 14:05, Sarunas Burdulis wrote:

On 11/18/22 12:09, gene heskett wrote:
... But this is imap email, and no errors are reported, it simply does 
not decode and display base64'd content that appears to be properly 
MIMETYPED, boundary lines present and matched.


Thunderbird has Error console. Open it with Ctrl+Shift+J or
Tools > Dev. Tools > Error Console. There might be some error info there.

And that leads to the conclusion tha there is not aDOCTYPE because there 
 is no html just the mime boundary triggers.


Since when does a total lack of html content, disable MIME handling?? 
That seems like a whopper of a bug to me since MIME was around and 
working quite well in the later '80's.


Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: tbird broken

[gene heskett]

On 11/18/22 13:06, Jeffrey Walton wrote:

On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 12:03 PM gene heskett  wrote:

...
Synaptic shows me quite a few base64 thingies, but which one does tbird,
as shipped for bullseye, use?

Or even better, is there a way to query apt to get a list of recommended
dependencies.


Below is from Ubuntu (not Debian), but I believe it works with Denian, too.



No mention of anything base64 related, in your output, or mine. But mine 
is considerably older than yours. I get:

Version: 1:91.13.0-1~deb11u1


$ apt-cache show thunderbird
Package: thunderbird
Architecture: amd64
Version: 1:102.4.2+build2-0ubuntu0.20.04.1
Priority: optional
Section: mail
Origin: Ubuntu
Maintainer: Ubuntu Mozilla Team 
Bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug
Installed-Size: 234663
Provides: mail-reader
Depends: libasound2 (>= 1.0.16), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.4), libc6 (>=
2.30), libcairo-gobject2 (>= 1.10.0), libcairo2 (>= 1.10.0),
libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.9.14), libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.78), libfontconfig1
(>= 2.12.6), libfreetype6 (>= 2.10.1), libgcc-s1 (>= 3.3),
libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 (>= 2.22.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.37.3), libgtk-3-0
(>= 3.13.7), libharfbuzz0b (>= 0.6.0), libpango-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0),
libpangocairo-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libstdc++6 (>= 9), libx11-6,
libx11-xcb1 (>= 2:1.6.9), libxcb-shm0, libxcb1, libxcomposite1 (>=
1:0.4.5), libxcursor1 (>> 1.1.2), libxdamage1 (>= 1:1.1), libxext6,
libxfixes3, libxi6, libxrandr2 (>= 2:1.4.0), libxrender1, libxtst6
Recommends: myspell-en-us | hunspell-dictionary | myspell-dictionary,
libcanberra0, libdbusmenu-glib4, libdbusmenu-gtk3-4
Suggests: thunderbird-gnome-support, ttf-lyx, libotr5
Conflicts: mozilla-thunderbird
Breaks: enigmail (<< 2:2.2), jsunit (<< 0.2.2-2ubuntu1),
thunderbird-gnome-support (<= 3.0.4+nobinonly-0ubuntu3), tinyjsd (<<
1.2+git1-1ubuntu1)
Replaces: mozilla-thunderbird, thunderbird-gnome-support (<=
3.0.4+nobinonly-0ubuntu3)
Filename: 
pool/main/t/thunderbird/thunderbird_102.4.2+build2-0ubuntu0.20.04.1_amd64.deb
Size: 57647748
MD5sum: 36fce2a754957d44ff9463f43091f457
SHA1: f252d1668816cd6d82d48e8e89b6180ad62c375d
SHA256: 27980be5e8756f4a781688031e261bea2c99a2a11b28e7a0747cd0ded2ba7570
SHA512: 
23f71e605377fd5af88022a2b2bee2fba41ce0fe41c13009afd8b3037a0f7c953f9eb548ef6027f5b137837e1e41b46cf699556e8aeb93d753e94297a98a
Description-en: Email, RSS and newsgroup client with integrated spam filter
  Thunderbird is a full-featured email, RSS and newsgroup client that makes
  emailing safer, faster and easier than ever before. It supports different mail
  accounts (POP, IMAP, Gmail), has a simple mail account setup wizard, one-
  click address book, tabbed interface, an integrated learning spam filter,
  advanced search and indexing capabilities, and offers easy organization
  of mails with tagging and virtual folders. It also features unrivalled
  extensibility.
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Task: ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-desktop-default-languages,
ubuntu-desktop-default-languages, ubuntu-desktop-default-languages,
ubuntu-desktop-default-languages, ubuntu-desktop-default-languages,
ubuntu-desktop-default-languages, ubuntu-desktop-default-languages,
ubuntu-desktop-default-languages, kubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-full,
xubuntu-desktop, ubuntustudio-desktop, ubuntukylin-desktop

Package: thunderbird
Architecture: amd64
Version: 1:68.7.0+build1-0ubuntu2
Priority: optional
Section: mail
Origin: Ubuntu
Maintainer: Ubuntu Mozilla Team 
Bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug
Installed-Size: 174096
Provides: mail-reader
Depends: libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.4), libc6 (>= 2.30), libcairo-gobject2
(>= 1.10.0), libcairo2 (>= 1.10.0), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.9.14),
libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.78), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.12.6), libfreetype6
(>= 2.10.1), libgcc-s1 (>= 3.3), libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 (>= 2.22.0),
libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.31.8), libgtk-3-0 (>= 3.4), libharfbuzz0b (>=
0.6.0), libpango-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libpangocairo-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0),
libpangoft2-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libsqlite3-0 (>= 3.14.0),
libstartup-notification0 (>= 0.8), libstdc++6 (>= 9), libx11-6,
libx11-xcb1 (>= 2:1.6.9), libxcb-shm0, libxcb1, libxcomposite1 (>=
1:0.3-1), libxcursor1 (>> 1.1.2), libxdamage1 (>= 1:1.1), libxext6,
libxfixes3, libxi6, libxrender1, libxt6
Recommends: myspell-en-us | hunspell-dictionary | myspell-dictionary,
libcanberra0, libdbusmenu-glib4, libdbusmenu-gtk3-4
Suggests: thunderbird-gnome-support, ttf-lyx
Conflicts: mozilla-thunderbird
Breaks: thunderbird-couchdb, thunderbird-gnome-support (<=
3.0.4+nobinonly-0ubuntu3)
Replaces: mozilla-thunderbird, thunderbird-gnome-support (<=
3.0.4+nobinonly-0ubuntu3)
Filename: pool/main/t/thunderbird/thunderbird_68.7.0+build1-0ubuntu2_amd64.deb
Size: 42635092
MD5sum: 6c12e8622f1bfedc293b6a3f0bfdbb4d
SHA1: b32efdcab208a497786a50a27914283708c607a7
SHA256: ffaf21ddab679b367d0975f24a4fcbfc32a27e6f5b1cce0679748645d3537992
Description-en: Email, RSS and newsgroup client with integrated spam filter
  Thunderbird is a full-featured email, RSS and newsgroup 

Re: tbird broken

[Curt]

On 2022-11-18, gene heskett  wrote:
> On 11/18/22 08:05, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
>> On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 11:53 PM gene heskett  wrote:
>>>
>>> I've just discovered that either tbird  is busted, or its missing
>>> whatever it takes to display a properly mimetyped base64 encoded content.
>>>
>>> What do I install to make this work, I'm looking at an empty screen when
>>> the raw msg has bout 10k of base64'd content.
>>>
>>> bullseye, intel i5, uptodate yesterday.
>> 
>> Maybe https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1777439 ?
>> 
>> .
> This seems to be NNTP related. But this is imap email, and no errors are 
> reported, it simply does not decode and display base64'd content that 
> appears to be properly MIMETYPED, boundary lines present and matched.

Maybe show the headers of the problem email, because I've read
Thunderbird is strict in that regard.

> Cheers, Gene Heskett.


- 

Re: tbird broken

[Anssi Saari]

gene heskett  writes:

> Mail only, no newsgroup involved. It simply ignores a base64, several
> times from a business that would like to sell me some stepper motors I 
> need. Is there a library its missing? Or something equally accidental?

I don't think there's a separate base64 library for Thunderbird and if
there was, it'd be a dependency of Thunderbird.

Some messages on this debian-user mailing list are base64, with a quick
search there's one from David Wright on your "general squawk about
unattended-upgrade" thread from Yesterday (Nov 17th). Do you have
trouble displaying those?

Re: tbird broken

[David Wright]

On Fri 18 Nov 2022 at 12:03:03 (-0500), gene heskett wrote:
> On 11/18/22 03:00, Kamil Jońca wrote:
> > gene heskett  writes:
> > 
> > > I've just discovered that either tbird  is busted, or its missing
> > > whatever it takes to display a properly mimetyped base64 encoded
> > > content.
> > 
> > In NNTP or mail?
> > If nntp, you probably hit by
> > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1777439
> > and
> > user_pref("mailnews.nntp.jsmodule", false);
> > might help
> > 
> Mail only, no newsgroup involved. It simply ignores a base64, several
> times from a business that would like to sell me some stepper motors I
> need. Is there a library its missing? Or something equally accidental?
> 
> Synaptic shows me quite a few base64 thingies, but which one does
> tbird, as shipped for bullseye, use?
> 
> Or even better, is there a way to query apt to get a list of
> recommended dependencies.

The (Debian) Recommends just look like spelling dictionaries.
I see that mutt depends on media-types and mailcap, but TB
seems to handle things differently.

Anyway, workaround: save the email as a text file and run
uudeview on it.

Cheers,
David.

Re: tbird broken

[Sarunas Burdulis]

On 11/18/22 12:09, gene heskett wrote:
... But this is imap email, and no errors are 
reported, it simply does not decode and display base64'd content that 
appears to be properly MIMETYPED, boundary lines present and matched.


Thunderbird has Error console. Open it with Ctrl+Shift+J or
Tools > Dev. Tools > Error Console. There might be some error info there.

--
Sarunas Burdulis
Dartmouth Mathematics
math.dartmouth.edu/~sarunas

· https://useplaintext.email ·



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Re: tbird broken

[Jeffrey Walton]

On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 12:03 PM gene heskett  wrote:
> ...
> Synaptic shows me quite a few base64 thingies, but which one does tbird,
> as shipped for bullseye, use?
>
> Or even better, is there a way to query apt to get a list of recommended
> dependencies.

Below is from Ubuntu (not Debian), but I believe it works with Denian, too.

$ apt-cache show thunderbird
Package: thunderbird
Architecture: amd64
Version: 1:102.4.2+build2-0ubuntu0.20.04.1
Priority: optional
Section: mail
Origin: Ubuntu
Maintainer: Ubuntu Mozilla Team 
Bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug
Installed-Size: 234663
Provides: mail-reader
Depends: libasound2 (>= 1.0.16), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.4), libc6 (>=
2.30), libcairo-gobject2 (>= 1.10.0), libcairo2 (>= 1.10.0),
libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.9.14), libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.78), libfontconfig1
(>= 2.12.6), libfreetype6 (>= 2.10.1), libgcc-s1 (>= 3.3),
libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 (>= 2.22.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.37.3), libgtk-3-0
(>= 3.13.7), libharfbuzz0b (>= 0.6.0), libpango-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0),
libpangocairo-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libstdc++6 (>= 9), libx11-6,
libx11-xcb1 (>= 2:1.6.9), libxcb-shm0, libxcb1, libxcomposite1 (>=
1:0.4.5), libxcursor1 (>> 1.1.2), libxdamage1 (>= 1:1.1), libxext6,
libxfixes3, libxi6, libxrandr2 (>= 2:1.4.0), libxrender1, libxtst6
Recommends: myspell-en-us | hunspell-dictionary | myspell-dictionary,
libcanberra0, libdbusmenu-glib4, libdbusmenu-gtk3-4
Suggests: thunderbird-gnome-support, ttf-lyx, libotr5
Conflicts: mozilla-thunderbird
Breaks: enigmail (<< 2:2.2), jsunit (<< 0.2.2-2ubuntu1),
thunderbird-gnome-support (<= 3.0.4+nobinonly-0ubuntu3), tinyjsd (<<
1.2+git1-1ubuntu1)
Replaces: mozilla-thunderbird, thunderbird-gnome-support (<=
3.0.4+nobinonly-0ubuntu3)
Filename: 
pool/main/t/thunderbird/thunderbird_102.4.2+build2-0ubuntu0.20.04.1_amd64.deb
Size: 57647748
MD5sum: 36fce2a754957d44ff9463f43091f457
SHA1: f252d1668816cd6d82d48e8e89b6180ad62c375d
SHA256: 27980be5e8756f4a781688031e261bea2c99a2a11b28e7a0747cd0ded2ba7570
SHA512: 
23f71e605377fd5af88022a2b2bee2fba41ce0fe41c13009afd8b3037a0f7c953f9eb548ef6027f5b137837e1e41b46cf699556e8aeb93d753e94297a98a
Description-en: Email, RSS and newsgroup client with integrated spam filter
 Thunderbird is a full-featured email, RSS and newsgroup client that makes
 emailing safer, faster and easier than ever before. It supports different mail
 accounts (POP, IMAP, Gmail), has a simple mail account setup wizard, one-
 click address book, tabbed interface, an integrated learning spam filter,
 advanced search and indexing capabilities, and offers easy organization
 of mails with tagging and virtual folders. It also features unrivalled
 extensibility.
Description-md5: 68ed1001b79d708ad48956a0c129114d
Task: ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-desktop-default-languages,
ubuntu-desktop-default-languages, ubuntu-desktop-default-languages,
ubuntu-desktop-default-languages, ubuntu-desktop-default-languages,
ubuntu-desktop-default-languages, ubuntu-desktop-default-languages,
ubuntu-desktop-default-languages, kubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-full,
xubuntu-desktop, ubuntustudio-desktop, ubuntukylin-desktop

Package: thunderbird
Architecture: amd64
Version: 1:68.7.0+build1-0ubuntu2
Priority: optional
Section: mail
Origin: Ubuntu
Maintainer: Ubuntu Mozilla Team 
Bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug
Installed-Size: 174096
Provides: mail-reader
Depends: libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.4), libc6 (>= 2.30), libcairo-gobject2
(>= 1.10.0), libcairo2 (>= 1.10.0), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.9.14),
libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.78), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.12.6), libfreetype6
(>= 2.10.1), libgcc-s1 (>= 3.3), libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 (>= 2.22.0),
libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.31.8), libgtk-3-0 (>= 3.4), libharfbuzz0b (>=
0.6.0), libpango-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libpangocairo-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0),
libpangoft2-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libsqlite3-0 (>= 3.14.0),
libstartup-notification0 (>= 0.8), libstdc++6 (>= 9), libx11-6,
libx11-xcb1 (>= 2:1.6.9), libxcb-shm0, libxcb1, libxcomposite1 (>=
1:0.3-1), libxcursor1 (>> 1.1.2), libxdamage1 (>= 1:1.1), libxext6,
libxfixes3, libxi6, libxrender1, libxt6
Recommends: myspell-en-us | hunspell-dictionary | myspell-dictionary,
libcanberra0, libdbusmenu-glib4, libdbusmenu-gtk3-4
Suggests: thunderbird-gnome-support, ttf-lyx
Conflicts: mozilla-thunderbird
Breaks: thunderbird-couchdb, thunderbird-gnome-support (<=
3.0.4+nobinonly-0ubuntu3)
Replaces: mozilla-thunderbird, thunderbird-gnome-support (<=
3.0.4+nobinonly-0ubuntu3)
Filename: pool/main/t/thunderbird/thunderbird_68.7.0+build1-0ubuntu2_amd64.deb
Size: 42635092
MD5sum: 6c12e8622f1bfedc293b6a3f0bfdbb4d
SHA1: b32efdcab208a497786a50a27914283708c607a7
SHA256: ffaf21ddab679b367d0975f24a4fcbfc32a27e6f5b1cce0679748645d3537992
Description-en: Email, RSS and newsgroup client with integrated spam filter
 Thunderbird is a full-featured email, RSS and newsgroup client that makes
 emailing safer, faster and easier than ever before. It supports different mail
 accounts (POP, IMAP, Gmail), has a simple mail account setup wizard, one-
 click address book, 

Re: tbird broken

[gene heskett]

On 11/18/22 08:05, Jeffrey Walton wrote:

On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 11:53 PM gene heskett  wrote:


I've just discovered that either tbird  is busted, or its missing
whatever it takes to display a properly mimetyped base64 encoded content.

What do I install to make this work, I'm looking at an empty screen when
the raw msg has bout 10k of base64'd content.

bullseye, intel i5, uptodate yesterday.


Maybe https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1777439 ?

.
This seems to be NNTP related. But this is imap email, and no errors are 
reported, it simply does not decode and display base64'd content that 
appears to be properly MIMETYPED, boundary lines present and matched.


Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: tbird broken

[gene heskett]

On 11/18/22 03:00, Kamil Jońca wrote:

gene heskett  writes:


Greetings all;

I've just discovered that either tbird  is busted, or its missing
whatever it takes to display a properly mimetyped base64 encoded
content.


In NNTP or mail?
If nntp, you probably hit by
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1777439
and
user_pref("mailnews.nntp.jsmodule", false);
might help
KJ


Mail only, no newsgroup involved. It simply ignores a base64, several 
times from a business that would like to sell me some stepper motors I 
need. Is there a library its missing? Or something equally accidental?


Synaptic shows me quite a few base64 thingies, but which one does tbird, 
as shipped for bullseye, use?


Or even better, is there a way to query apt to get a list of recommended 
dependencies.


Thanks.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: tbird broken

[Jeffrey Walton]

On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 11:53 PM gene heskett  wrote:
>
> I've just discovered that either tbird  is busted, or its missing
> whatever it takes to display a properly mimetyped base64 encoded content.
>
> What do I install to make this work, I'm looking at an empty screen when
> the raw msg has bout 10k of base64'd content.
>
> bullseye, intel i5, uptodate yesterday.

Maybe https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1777439 ?

Re: tbird broken

[Kamil Jońca]

gene heskett  writes:

> Greetings all;
>
> I've just discovered that either tbird  is busted, or its missing
> whatever it takes to display a properly mimetyped base64 encoded
> content.

In NNTP or mail?
If nntp, you probably hit by
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1777439
and
user_pref("mailnews.nntp.jsmodule", false);
might help
KJ


-- 
http://stopstopnop.pl/stop_stopnop.pl_o_nas.html