Re: testing-dedicated ML? ( was Re: End of hypocrisy ? )
On 7/24/14, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 24/07/2014, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote: On 7/24/14, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 24/07/2014, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote: We need a list for each package! You can't ruly home in on your questions of interest until you have dedicated lists for each package. ... PostgreSQL has its own lists, MySQL has its own lists, Fetchmail has ... ;) I do not understand the last posting above. I was trying to say you took me seriously when you should have seen only humour. I didn't mean we _should_ have a mailing list, specific to debian, for _every_ package. Unfortunately, I thought it was so obviously silly, that I forgot to put the smiley at the end of the suggestion. And then, to my surprise, you pointed out to me that there are in fact per-app (debian specific) lists, of which I was not aware. The things we learn eh :) Apologies for the confusion, Zenaan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAOsGNSR-k2H=GtCRafR8YNJUs5R01ztwh_DdLwKq-P18=kb...@mail.gmail.com
Re: testing-dedicated ML? ( was Re: End of hypocrisy ? )
On 24/07/2014, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote: On 7/24/14, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 24/07/2014, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote: On 7/24/14, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 21/07/2014, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 21.07.2014 15:31, Slavko a écrit : Ahoj, it seems, that there can good idea to provide separate ML for testing users. I agree, since testing is not for normal users (well... theoretically at least), so we could imagine that different MLs for (beta-)testing and productive usage (questions about how to do... and stable related bugs would go there, I guess). Now, I have no idea about the complexity of maintaining a new ML. Maybe there are also problems because some issues can not clearly affect only one of both testing and stable? I would like to see a list for each of: experimental unstable testing stable (by version number, eg, at present, 7) oldstable (by version number, eg, at present, 6) obsolete (versions previous to oldstable) hybrid - combinations of the above, eg, where people mix stable and testing, etc I believe that it would be helpful, and, would provide for most scenario's, and, when a new release occurs (eg, for Debian 8), the archives get each moved into the lower level archive, so the oldstable archive goes into the obsolete, the stable archive goes into the oldstable, and the testing archive goes into the stabl;e achive. Or, the top three; experimental unstable testing then by version number; 7 6 5 4 3.1 3 No no, that's really impractical - the applications man, the applications! We need a list for each package! You can't ruly home in on your questions of interest until you have dedicated lists for each package. Sometimes, those lists should have a repeater which copies each message to a corresponding upstream list (I'm thinking mutt for example, but I'm sure there's others). so mutt-debian-users@.., postgresql-debian-users@... etc. Well, there are application lists. PostgreSQL has its own lists, MySQL has its own lists, Fetchmail has its own list, Posfix has its own list, Procmail has its own list, alpine has its own list, GRAMPS has its own list, GnuCash has its own list, as mentioned in another thread (the one about iceape), Seamonkey has its own list, and, as the King (as played by Yul Brynner) said, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. There's a slashdot saying appropriate just here ... not quite sure what that is, it's ... going over my head right now. ;) I do not understand the last posting above. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CACX6j8NpeRX0=v7mcmt-vbfwiyl7e0hxduohn8gso-vq8eq...@mail.gmail.com
Re: testing-dedicated ML? ( was Re: End of hypocrisy ? )
On Wednesday 23 July 2014 03:55:36 The Wanderer wrote: Then people promptly started expressing confusion over the whole thing, and here we are. Curt often loses me. He is well named. ;-) Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201407230819.50551.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: testing-dedicated ML? ( was Re: End of hypocrisy ? )
On 7/23/14, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday 23 July 2014 03:55:36 The Wanderer wrote: Then people promptly started expressing confusion over the whole thing, and here we are. Curt often loses me. He is well named. ;-) I recommend going back to read that initial reply from Dr. Jeckyll to my email way above. In the hindsight of understanding, you might find the whole episode very funny. (Or not - I have been told I've a strange sense of humour :) Be careful where you see humour, Look first, there might be a conspiracy. Or something. X) Kind regards all, Zenaan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/caosgnsszqkezc0u+7lyt6vb+fqtzco2zqc-n1ker2osfp3z...@mail.gmail.com
Re: testing-dedicated ML? ( was Re: End of hypocrisy ? )
On 21/07/2014, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 21.07.2014 15:31, Slavko a écrit : Ahoj, it seems, that there can good idea to provide separate ML for testing users. I agree, since testing is not for normal users (well... theoretically at least), so we could imagine that different MLs for (beta-)testing and productive usage (questions about how to do... and stable related bugs would go there, I guess). Now, I have no idea about the complexity of maintaining a new ML. Maybe there are also problems because some issues can not clearly affect only one of both testing and stable? I would like to see a list for each of: experimental unstable testing stable (by version number, eg, at present, 7) oldstable (by version number, eg, at present, 6) obsolete (versions previous to oldstable) hybrid - combinations of the above, eg, where people mix stable and testing, etc I believe that it would be helpful, and, would provide for most scenario's, and, when a new release occurs (eg, for Debian 8), the archives get each moved into the lower level archive, so the oldstable archive goes into the obsolete, the stable archive goes into the oldstable, and the testing archive goes into the stabl;e achive. Or, the top three; experimental unstable testing then by version number; 7 6 5 4 3.1 3 That might make for more lists, but it could be workable, and, more useful. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cacx6j8pq82cc9o066rnak+nvudtoaprxf64tzjfcyw2z+5i...@mail.gmail.com
Re: testing-dedicated ML? ( was Re: End of hypocrisy ? )
On 7/24/14, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 21/07/2014, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 21.07.2014 15:31, Slavko a écrit : Ahoj, it seems, that there can good idea to provide separate ML for testing users. I agree, since testing is not for normal users (well... theoretically at least), so we could imagine that different MLs for (beta-)testing and productive usage (questions about how to do... and stable related bugs would go there, I guess). Now, I have no idea about the complexity of maintaining a new ML. Maybe there are also problems because some issues can not clearly affect only one of both testing and stable? I would like to see a list for each of: experimental unstable testing stable (by version number, eg, at present, 7) oldstable (by version number, eg, at present, 6) obsolete (versions previous to oldstable) hybrid - combinations of the above, eg, where people mix stable and testing, etc I believe that it would be helpful, and, would provide for most scenario's, and, when a new release occurs (eg, for Debian 8), the archives get each moved into the lower level archive, so the oldstable archive goes into the obsolete, the stable archive goes into the oldstable, and the testing archive goes into the stabl;e achive. Or, the top three; experimental unstable testing then by version number; 7 6 5 4 3.1 3 No no, that's really impractical - the applications man, the applications! We need a list for each package! You can't ruly home in on your questions of interest until you have dedicated lists for each package. Sometimes, those lists should have a repeater which copies each message to a corresponding upstream list (I'm thinking mutt for example, but I'm sure there's others). so mutt-debian-users@.., postgresql-debian-users@... etc. There should probably be some combo lists but rather than as you suggest for distro version, they should be for combinations of packages. That might make for more lists, but it could be workable, and, more useful. Should be enjoyed by many, and even _more_ useful ;) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/caosgnssav1itbvdna0dpne8b61qkj55ab+nx9if43knhokb...@mail.gmail.com
Re: testing-dedicated ML? ( was Re: End of hypocrisy ? )
On 24/07/2014, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote: On 7/24/14, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 21/07/2014, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 21.07.2014 15:31, Slavko a écrit : Ahoj, it seems, that there can good idea to provide separate ML for testing users. I agree, since testing is not for normal users (well... theoretically at least), so we could imagine that different MLs for (beta-)testing and productive usage (questions about how to do... and stable related bugs would go there, I guess). Now, I have no idea about the complexity of maintaining a new ML. Maybe there are also problems because some issues can not clearly affect only one of both testing and stable? I would like to see a list for each of: experimental unstable testing stable (by version number, eg, at present, 7) oldstable (by version number, eg, at present, 6) obsolete (versions previous to oldstable) hybrid - combinations of the above, eg, where people mix stable and testing, etc I believe that it would be helpful, and, would provide for most scenario's, and, when a new release occurs (eg, for Debian 8), the archives get each moved into the lower level archive, so the oldstable archive goes into the obsolete, the stable archive goes into the oldstable, and the testing archive goes into the stabl;e achive. Or, the top three; experimental unstable testing then by version number; 7 6 5 4 3.1 3 No no, that's really impractical - the applications man, the applications! We need a list for each package! You can't ruly home in on your questions of interest until you have dedicated lists for each package. Sometimes, those lists should have a repeater which copies each message to a corresponding upstream list (I'm thinking mutt for example, but I'm sure there's others). so mutt-debian-users@.., postgresql-debian-users@... etc. Well, there are application lists. PostgreSQL has its own lists, MySQL has its own lists, Fetchmail has its own list, Posfix has its own list, Procmail has its own list, alpine has its own list, GRAMPS has its own list, GnuCash has its own list, as mentioned in another thread (the one about iceape), Seamonkey has its own list, and, as the King (as played by Yul Brynner) said, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cacx6j8oqq2b3dt-arff99g8cjl-hdup_w+fuc7dg4giodic...@mail.gmail.com
Re: testing-dedicated ML? ( was Re: End of hypocrisy ? )
On 7/24/14, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 24/07/2014, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote: On 7/24/14, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 21/07/2014, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 21.07.2014 15:31, Slavko a écrit : Ahoj, it seems, that there can good idea to provide separate ML for testing users. I agree, since testing is not for normal users (well... theoretically at least), so we could imagine that different MLs for (beta-)testing and productive usage (questions about how to do... and stable related bugs would go there, I guess). Now, I have no idea about the complexity of maintaining a new ML. Maybe there are also problems because some issues can not clearly affect only one of both testing and stable? I would like to see a list for each of: experimental unstable testing stable (by version number, eg, at present, 7) oldstable (by version number, eg, at present, 6) obsolete (versions previous to oldstable) hybrid - combinations of the above, eg, where people mix stable and testing, etc I believe that it would be helpful, and, would provide for most scenario's, and, when a new release occurs (eg, for Debian 8), the archives get each moved into the lower level archive, so the oldstable archive goes into the obsolete, the stable archive goes into the oldstable, and the testing archive goes into the stabl;e achive. Or, the top three; experimental unstable testing then by version number; 7 6 5 4 3.1 3 No no, that's really impractical - the applications man, the applications! We need a list for each package! You can't ruly home in on your questions of interest until you have dedicated lists for each package. Sometimes, those lists should have a repeater which copies each message to a corresponding upstream list (I'm thinking mutt for example, but I'm sure there's others). so mutt-debian-users@.., postgresql-debian-users@... etc. Well, there are application lists. PostgreSQL has its own lists, MySQL has its own lists, Fetchmail has its own list, Posfix has its own list, Procmail has its own list, alpine has its own list, GRAMPS has its own list, GnuCash has its own list, as mentioned in another thread (the one about iceape), Seamonkey has its own list, and, as the King (as played by Yul Brynner) said, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. There's a slashdot saying appropriate just here ... not quite sure what that is, it's ... going over my head right now. ;) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/caosgnssxrryvkvthgcj1dj6ciiuz6xeoxyz9_mb7vsr-k...@mail.gmail.com
Re: testing-dedicated ML? ( was Re: End of hypocrisy ? )
On Lu, 21 iul 14, 16:00:04, Paul E Condon wrote: I use Wheezy. I have been using Debian since Potato, as I remember, I started with Debian just after Y2K. I started out to write about the debian-testing ML but first I need help with a crazyness in my mail system that I just noticed, and must be a reinstall of wheezy that I completed a few days ago. Sure, but you just buried your issue in this thread. I use Mutt to read mail, Emacs is invoked to write mail, Fetchmail gets mail via pop3 from my ISP, Procmail sorts it to mailboxes, and mstmp sends email back to my ISP. When I started everybody on this list who seemed to be an old timer assured that this tool chain was the right and proper way to do email (and never, ever, use html in Let's not get into that discussion, shall we? :) email ;-). Now when I started this email, I get a long string of error messages in a form that I have never seen before. Here is a sample of a few lines: start [0x8c579e8] main libvlc error: vlc_object_find_name(puzzle) is not safe! [0x8c579e8] main libvlc error: vlc_object_find_name(puzzle) is not safe! [0x8c579e8] main libvlc error: vlc_object_find_name(magnify) is not safe! [0x8c579e8] main libvlc error: vlc_object_find_name(clone) is not safe! [0x8c579e8] main libvlc error: vlc_object_find_name(clone) is not safe! [0x8c579e8] main libvlc error: vlc_object_find_name(wall) is not safe! [0x8c579e8] main libvlc error: vlc_object_find_name(wall) is not safe! [0x8c579e8] main libvlc error: vlc_object_find_name(wall) is not safe! [0x8c579e8] main libvlc error: vlc_object_find_name(erase) is not safe! [0x8c579e8] main libvlc error: vlc_object_find_name(erase) is not safe! [0x8c579e8] main libvlc error: vlc_object_find_name(erase) is not safe! [0x8c579e8] main libvlc error: vlc_object_find_name(erase) is not safe! [0x8c579e8] main libvlc error: vlc_object_find_name(marq) is not safe! end libvlc belongs to VLC (no surprise here). Were you trying to watch some movies? Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: testing-dedicated ML? ( was Re: End of hypocrisy ? )
On 2014-07-21, Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net wrote: start [0x8c579e8] main libvlc error: vlc_object_find_name(puzzle) is not safe! This appears in the window that was running Mutt and displaying the incoming This is vlc (a media player) complaining; what this has to do with mutt or your email workflow escapes me. Kill vlc and the cryptic messages should disappear, unless I'm missing something. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/slrnlss4lf.2b9.cu...@einstein.electron.org
VLC error polluting terminal ( was: Re: testing-dedicated ML? ( was Re: End of hypocrisy ? ) )
Le 22.07.2014 00:00, Paul E Condon a écrit : Please help. Wow nice off-topic... I have no idea about where this is related to the question of the interest of splitting debian-user ML into a stable and a testing ML... Anyway, we can guess from what you posted that you have started vlc somewhere. To add to what other have replied, I guess that you have started VLC with the same terminal you use for mutt, with an invocation like this vlc . If I'm right, then those messages are normal, you summoned VLC from a terminal, VLC use it as stdin, stdout and stderr. For a reason I do not know, it have some problems with some requests which has been sent to it, so it complains on it's stderr. There are more than one solutions: * start VLC from another terminal or a graphic stuff(alt+F2 is a common shortcut under linux's DEs to summon a dialog to start things), so that it won't pollute your mutt terminal * start VLC through nohup, like this $ nohup vlc * start VLC and redirect it standard outputs (which is what nohup does) for example into /dev/null: $ vlc /dev/null 2/dev/null Hope it helps. Since we are here, if you are a terminal user, you might find mpd + mpc (and other frontends like ario, ncmpcpp, lot of widgets to pin on taskbars, and lot of other clients) interesting. The stronger point about mpd+mpc is that you'll be able to integrate it into your window manager, because mpd is a daemon and mpc a command-line tool, so it's damn easy to bind mpc to the shortcuts you want. For videos, you might use mplayer or mpv, which are more specialized and so lighter than VLC. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/8a9e042f7b19971cf2618f67abfb2...@neutralite.org
Re: testing-dedicated ML? ( was Re: End of hypocrisy ? )
On Mon, 21 Jul 2014, Tom H wrote: On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 11:58 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 21.07.2014 15:31, Slavko a écrit : it seems, that there can good idea to provide separate ML for testing users. I agree, since testing is not for normal users (well... theoretically at least), so we could imagine that different MLs for (beta-)testing and productive usage (questions about how to do... and stable related bugs would go there, I guess). Now, I have no idea about the complexity of maintaining a new ML. Maybe there are also problems because some issues can not clearly affect only one of both testing and stable? There is one https://lists.debian.org/debian-testing/ No, there isn't. There's a reason why the debian-testing ML is listed as a development list, and not user list: this one is *specific* for the testing of the current stable to the next stable upgrade path, and also matters with the next stable debian installer. It sees heavier traffic during the freeze that prepares the next stable release. I suppose it can be extended to rolling-upgrade matters (stable to testing) as well. However, testing to testing upgrade problems, and issues with breakages in testing itself are NOT on that ML's charter. but a quick look at the its archives shows that it isn't a heavily used list and that it's not a list for freaking out about systemd. Indeed it is not :-) -- One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond where the shadows lie. -- The Silicon Valley Tarot Henrique Holschuh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140722105341.ga11...@khazad-dum.debian.net
Re: testing-dedicated ML? ( was Re: End of hypocrisy ? )
On 7/22/14, David Guntner da...@guntner.com wrote: Tom H grabbed a keyboard and wrote: There is one https://lists.debian.org/debian-testing/ but a quick look at the its archives shows that it isn't a heavily used list and that it's not a list for freaking out about systemd. Neither is this one, but that doesn't seem to stop people :-) :) It is the point too though, and I think a point made very well. And I think it would be perfectly effective. eg: - This *is* debian 'testing' list - if you're not up to testing, or it gets too hot around here, please, go back to stable. - This *is* debian 'unstable' list - what is your expectation of transitioning new software into debian 'testing'? - This *is* debian stable list - what are you doing complaining about debian testing/ unstable? _That_ has got to be about the perfect response to certain ahem complaints shall we call them :) It would require a concensus to 'activate' the debian-testing list. Is there a debian-unstable - or perhaps that should just be part of debian-testing? Or is it all too much, too many lists? The idea seems quite appealing to me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAOsGNSRykN3f4AGu464i8RK9Z17gWVtS1WW33T_D07ZMdwO0=a...@mail.gmail.com
Re: testing-dedicated ML? ( was Re: End of hypocrisy ? )
Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 7/22/14, David Guntner da...@guntner.com wrote: Tom H grabbed a keyboard and wrote: There is one https://lists.debian.org/debian-testing/ but a quick look at the its archives shows that it isn't a heavily used list and that it's not a list for freaking out about systemd. Neither is this one, but that doesn't seem to stop people :-) :) It is the point too though, and I think a point made very well. And I think it would be perfectly effective. eg: - This *is* debian 'testing' list - if you're not up to testing, or it gets too hot around here, please, go back to stable. - This *is* debian 'unstable' list - what is your expectation of transitioning new software into debian 'testing'? - This *is* debian stable list - what are you doing complaining about debian testing/ unstable? _That_ has got to be about the perfect response to certain ahem complaints shall we call them :) It would require a concensus to 'activate' the debian-testing list. Is there a debian-unstable - or perhaps that should just be part of debian-testing? Or is it all too much, too many lists? The idea seems quite appealing to me. Some of us are actually interested in knowing what's going on with testing, before it becomes stable. Separating the lists seems like a very bad idea. Miles Fidelman -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. Yogi Berra -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53ce6828.3080...@meetinghouse.net
Re: testing-dedicated ML? ( was Re: End of hypocrisy ? )
On 7/22/14, Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net wrote: I use Wheezy. I have been using Debian since Potato, as I remember, I started with Debian just after Y2K. I started out to write about the debian-testing ML but first I need help with a crazyness in my mail system that I just noticed, and must be a reinstall of wheezy that I completed a few days ago. This is called 'hijacking' a thread. Really ought to have started a separate thread! Anyway, $deity forgives you, this time :) I use Mutt to read mail, good You might add lbdb if you haven't already! (unless you've got some weirdo plugin for weirdo emacs) Emacs is invoked to write mail, weirdo! Fetchmail gets mail via pop3 from my ISP, Strongly, as in *strongly* recommend you to use getmail (maintained by the ever supportive and peaceful osamu), or mpop (if it's still being maintained? - it's what I know). They are _much_ (as in *much*) faster :) (Did I mention they're faster than fetchmail?) Procmail sorts it to mailboxes, and Others may have other suggestions, but I concluded on my last request to this list (based on the responses) to change from procmail to maildrop - procmail is far too unwieldy given the number of rules/lists I have... mstmp sends email back to my ISP. When I started everybody on this list who seemed to be an old timer assured that this tool chain was the right and proper way to do email Your setup seems to be gettin a little long in the tooth in a few corners. And emacs ... just ... wierdo! Good luck :) Zenaan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/caosgnssybqbclsvsz-1tv_rdckzbjruxrfvauwfjxm5zehn...@mail.gmail.com
Re: testing-dedicated ML? ( was Re: End of hypocrisy ? )
On 7/22/14, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote: On 7/22/14, David Guntner da...@guntner.com wrote: Tom H grabbed a keyboard and wrote: There is one https://lists.debian.org/debian-testing/ but a quick look at the its archives shows that it isn't a heavily used list and that it's not a list for freaking out about systemd. Neither is this one, but that doesn't seem to stop people :-) :) It is the point too though, and I think a point made very well. And I think it would be perfectly effective. eg: - This *is* debian 'testing' list - if you're not up to testing, or it gets too hot around here, please, go back to stable. - This *is* debian 'unstable' list - what is your expectation of transitioning new software into debian 'testing'? - This *is* debian stable list - what are you doing complaining about debian testing/ unstable? _That_ has got to be about the perfect response to certain ahem complaints shall we call them :) It would require a concensus to 'activate' the debian-testing list. Is there a debian-unstable - or perhaps that should just be part of debian-testing? Or is it all too much, too many lists? The idea seems quite appealing to me. Since debian-testing is for devs, perhaps debian-users-notstable@? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAOsGNSSm1DLeYKRNUQejMsgO=i4F-Aih9XcVpd=8_nv_-ij...@mail.gmail.com
Re: testing-dedicated ML? ( was Re: End of hypocrisy ? )
Ahoj, Dňa Tue, 22 Jul 2014 09:33:28 -0400 Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net napísal: Some of us are actually interested in knowing what's going on with testing, before it becomes stable. Separating the lists seems like a very bad idea. Someone inhibit you to subscribe to both? regards -- Slavko http://slavino.sk signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: testing-dedicated ML? ( was Re: End of hypocrisy ? )
On 2014-07-22, Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote: Some of us are actually interested in knowing what's going on with testing, before it becomes stable. Separating the lists seems like a very bad idea. Have you undergone a personality transplant or has your rabbit died? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/slrnlssr4l.2b9.cu...@einstein.electron.org
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Slavko wrote: Ahoj, Dňa Tue, 22 Jul 2014 09:33:28 -0400 Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net napísal: Some of us are actually interested in knowing what's going on with testing, before it becomes stable. Separating the lists seems like a very bad idea. Someone inhibit you to subscribe to both? What - you don't have a delete key in your mail client? -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. Yogi Berra -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53ce6df8.2020...@meetinghouse.net
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Curt wrote: On 2014-07-22, Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote: Some of us are actually interested in knowing what's going on with testing, before it becomes stable. Separating the lists seems like a very bad idea. Have you undergone a personality transplant or has your rabbit died? Huh? -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. Yogi Berra -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53ce6e06.3000...@meetinghouse.net
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On 2014-07-22, Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote: Have you undergone a personality transplant or has your rabbit died? Huh? You were Dr. Fidelman and now you've turned into Mr. Miles. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/slrnlssrp5.2b9.cu...@einstein.electron.org
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On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 03:47:36PM CEST, Slavko li...@slavino.sk said: Ahoj, Dňa Tue, 22 Jul 2014 09:33:28 -0400 Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net napísal: Some of us are actually interested in knowing what's going on with testing, before it becomes stable. Separating the lists seems like a very bad idea. Someone inhibit you to subscribe to both? regards The presentation seems to prohiibit some questions to be asked in either list. PS: and testing something does not mean testing EVERY thing -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140722141810.gr18...@rail.eu.org
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On Tuesday 22 July 2014 15:03:17 Curt wrote: now you've turned into Mr. Miles. Where do you get the Mr. from? I can't see it. I suspect it isn't there. As far as I can see, Doctor Miles Fidelman sometimes calls himself, Miles Fidelman or M. Fidelman. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201407221524.03368.lisi.re...@gmail.com
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On 2014-07-22, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday 22 July 2014 15:03:17 Curt wrote: now you've turned into Mr. Miles. Where do you get the Mr. from? I can't see it. I suspect it isn't there. As far as I can see, Doctor Miles Fidelman sometimes calls himself, Miles Fidelman or M. Fidelman. Lisi I guess it was a literary reference. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/slrnlsstme.2b9.cu...@einstein.electron.org
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Ahoj, Dňa Tue, 22 Jul 2014 09:58:16 -0400 Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net napísal: Slavko wrote: Ahoj, Dňa Tue, 22 Jul 2014 09:33:28 -0400 Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net napísal: Some of us are actually interested in knowing what's going on with testing, before it becomes stable. Separating the lists seems like a very bad idea. Someone inhibit you to subscribe to both? What - you don't have a delete key in your mail client? No, i have any key in my mail client - they are all on my keyboard. ;) regards -- Slavko http://slavino.sk signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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Curt wrote: On 2014-07-22, Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote: Have you undergone a personality transplant or has your rabbit died? Huh? You were Dr. Fidelman and now you've turned into Mr. Miles. If there's a Dr. Fidelman out there - it ain't me. -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. Yogi Berra -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53ce7ce0.8090...@meetinghouse.net
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On Tuesday 22 July 2014 15:35:58 Curt wrote: On 2014-07-22, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday 22 July 2014 15:03:17 Curt wrote: now you've turned into Mr. Miles. Where do you get the Mr. from? I can't see it. I suspect it isn't there. As far as I can see, Doctor Miles Fidelman sometimes calls himself, Miles Fidelman or M. Fidelman. Lisi I guess it was a literary reference. To? I'm not good at mind-reading by email - and you do seem to rely on it a lot. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201407221716.34252.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: VLC error polluting terminal ( was: Re: testing-dedicated ML? ( was Re: End of hypocrisy ? ) )
On 20140722_1037+0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 22.07.2014 00:00, Paul E Condon a écrit : Please help. Wow nice off-topic... I have no idea about where this is related to the question of the interest of splitting debian-user ML into a stable and a testing ML... Anyway, we can guess from what you posted that you have started vlc somewhere. To add to what other have replied, I guess that you have started VLC with the same terminal you use for mutt, with an invocation like this vlc . If I'm right, then those messages are normal, you summoned VLC from a terminal, VLC use it as stdin, stdout and stderr. For a reason I do not know, it have some problems with some requests which has been sent to it, so it complains on it's stderr. There are more than one solutions: * start VLC from another terminal or a graphic stuff(alt+F2 is a common shortcut under linux's DEs to summon a dialog to start things), so that it won't pollute your mutt terminal * start VLC through nohup, like this $ nohup vlc * start VLC and redirect it standard outputs (which is what nohup does) for example into /dev/null: $ vlc /dev/null 2/dev/null Hope it helps. Since we are here, if you are a terminal user, you might find mpd + mpc (and other frontends like ario, ncmpcpp, lot of widgets to pin on taskbars, and lot of other clients) interesting. The stronger point about mpd+mpc is that you'll be able to integrate it into your window manager, because mpd is a daemon and mpc a command-line tool, so it's damn easy to bind mpc to the shortcuts you want. For videos, you might use mplayer or mpv, which are more specialized and so lighter than VLC. I use xfce4 and gnome-terminal for reading mail in Mutt. I know that I am on a mailing list that emails me links to youtube. This phenom has started after a recent reinstall of Wheezy using v7.6 netinst CD. I keep terminal windows open for long periods of time, including the window for Mutt. Switching Mutt to a newly opened gnome-terminal window made the problem go away. I haven't yet received an email from the youtube list, or otherwise done something that might make it reappear, but I think my fears of an alien invasion of my Wheezy have been laid to rest. But actually eliminating the underling problem can wait until I have more time and can think. Concerning burying my request for help in an existing thread. I used Emacs to delete the reply-to header line and thought that would be enough. Obviously, not. I have learned yet another thing not to do. I apologize. Thankyou, thankyou, thankyou. -- Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140722161643.ga29...@big.lan.gnu
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 07/22/2014 12:16 PM, Paul E Condon wrote: Concerning burying my request for help in an existing thread. I used Emacs to delete the reply-to header line and thought that would be enough. Obviously, not. I have learned yet another thing not to do. I apologize. Deleting In-Reply-To does stop (good) mail clients from considering the message part of the same thread, though in some cases also deleting (or perhaps modifying?) the References header would be appropriate / necessary to achieve that effect. The trouble is that you didn't then change the Subject line, so less-well-behaved mail clients will still sort it as part of the same thread, and even for people who use better ones the message is still being presented as being about the subject of the previous thread. That said, it seems to me like it would be *more* trouble to manually alter message headers before sending that way than it would be to manually enter the To address... so I don't entirely understand why you'd want to do it that way to begin with, except perhaps just to see if you can. - -- The Wanderer Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. A government exists to serve its citizens, not to control them. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJTzpEkAAoJEASpNY00KDJrKF8P/1tlg+Mlg6tyw/zYtiB8SdEC a7l9SbEfysq/rKJ1zQ1o/gAsmjG9yxgRv6SNlkB9zt6oCAI+uGFlJJIXAa6aW1o3 6WOJncUzz/MfrN45NJcD3+PCXVwTUhrKZrQXV+SBxbw+uKp9hp4XxxSwf2O5MPkV zP78ioQOrOZ8BZuJJ4c6c7n8YHM/WLHP3R3Q7FXYmUi1hhvpm731nt5nPXFhH4Lt Q/lBkYfgKbGyIaf+UCJYWbEXXZOKS65/g7KHn5PzqoPhsBXJxlkMTQSHDuRMHJ3V xvRGL0bBBE/UiRcaeSZd7Acc+ot7HrZmYpkLpKLFKL6lm674x6B/7KtAUsrZEz63 bUWeIbOhEjhENUFTwFhT499C6UR0nf/EFYoxuf95hCv/KRCPdpY82sEmJds+hLh8 zL336Nvl059pnc7dOqoJnY1ogMnaCW50YYczyQHDPgEFD+jn6/f5l1NvzKaONQ1p JqWQeqAZ4ZcXSxK1f90XA+QCdAQDgO45xBi2vUIuGyw+WJsQWFPfj776uLcfIsqd LA28M9Ym0G3aNjGpqim4QkcvSJKNwpgmfLVSD1gLh9wCDFEHIVg2hR4gpuRN4Lk9 NqAU1JnIEf/P8YGd1PArwSrjfDmEGeaKGq6Y4jTz2w7fsuqoiMNj71+yRB8vLmUW HuQqq8uuBRky5zG2Os96 =CQWo -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53ce9124.4060...@fastmail.fm
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 07/22/2014 12:16 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Tuesday 22 July 2014 15:35:58 Curt wrote: On 2014-07-22, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: Where do you get the Mr. from? I can't see it. I suspect it isn't there. As far as I can see, Doctor Miles Fidelman sometimes calls himself, Miles Fidelman or M. Fidelman. Lisi I guess it was a literary reference. To? Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. Seemed obvious enough to me, but I'm not necessarily a typical audience. - -- The Wanderer Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. A government exists to serve its citizens, not to control them. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJTzpFXAAoJEASpNY00KDJrILgP/0PBIwPiXw+Iw/Ve/rOe0AcY 1Aeh1Zbz+briy4Tf2XOGhaA/Uyki+3ZQFCzHnyJIFWKeNvH/YrhG3T5bm8nSuQFA +F/9GbtP5rrTCJQ1oI70I4PLi5zAxUu4tegyOiyWLCLAo8WKxFDb3sSAO51EEm0D eEY/MN+/cKBD7rGNCur3WZBv1XIwIUPyJWGZgWLnqxdPRAqnp39o81lhFvJT003z cQ37508ApF2HFnVLTs14FUkr69CRzWqc9HVeVcKTc8QjXdxZG/j0wtgKWyBz96wk 5R8WTpUHLuUU9ZIFKO0IvXUTfN1nwurqk8yUnmOChOYzm1rwl22W5CXzlTR9fQMU pHkXR6qFLOL7HDGA862yzbL/am/Q+RGmXwk+ModkfLI7XR8OjOI5xr7x1ROoia+U CET4HSWcpACB3uVGr99wque2KkpfPT+xCnPubsaaw1GW8I0/dNRRBGzXJUElcwr7 NU+VEhGIWX9nwltggwI4mK3w953xobt8yAx4IXchLOczka0h+luTgrIi6avIFgon AFyK+DpVrj8vPvwOjyz9slMJYYiG1YvwPnn/l1bj6PmScSVNs9JlyzINLL1jVy8i 2PND9u1u0KWx0+4otcoJIDV7c6aglM9qvBfPqgGposaUB20d44GtwGB3bIjiobbt Zopa3JpOsHcd61StA1EP =nxS9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53ce9157.6050...@fastmail.fm
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Le 22.07.2014 15:38, Zenaan Harkness a écrit : And emacs ... just ... wierdo! Yeah, vim is better :) (let's change the nowaday usual trolling about systemd and go back to good old traditional trolls :p) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1648996a273a28d841eea4ff81fa9...@neutralite.org
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On Tuesday 22 July 2014 17:29:11 The Wanderer wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 07/22/2014 12:16 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Tuesday 22 July 2014 15:35:58 Curt wrote: On 2014-07-22, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: Where do you get the Mr. from? I can't see it. I suspect it isn't there. As far as I can see, Doctor Miles Fidelman sometimes calls himself, Miles Fidelman or M. Fidelman. Lisi I guess it was a literary reference. To? Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. Seemed obvious enough to me, but I'm not necessarily a typical audience. I got lost at Have you undergone a personality transplant or has your rabbit died? - and I still don't see what that had to do with Dr, Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. :-/ Lisi - -- The Wanderer Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. A government exists to serve its citizens, not to control them. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJTzpFXAAoJEASpNY00KDJrILgP/0PBIwPiXw+Iw/Ve/rOe0AcY 1Aeh1Zbz+briy4Tf2XOGhaA/Uyki+3ZQFCzHnyJIFWKeNvH/YrhG3T5bm8nSuQFA +F/9GbtP5rrTCJQ1oI70I4PLi5zAxUu4tegyOiyWLCLAo8WKxFDb3sSAO51EEm0D eEY/MN+/cKBD7rGNCur3WZBv1XIwIUPyJWGZgWLnqxdPRAqnp39o81lhFvJT003z cQ37508ApF2HFnVLTs14FUkr69CRzWqc9HVeVcKTc8QjXdxZG/j0wtgKWyBz96wk 5R8WTpUHLuUU9ZIFKO0IvXUTfN1nwurqk8yUnmOChOYzm1rwl22W5CXzlTR9fQMU pHkXR6qFLOL7HDGA862yzbL/am/Q+RGmXwk+ModkfLI7XR8OjOI5xr7x1ROoia+U CET4HSWcpACB3uVGr99wque2KkpfPT+xCnPubsaaw1GW8I0/dNRRBGzXJUElcwr7 NU+VEhGIWX9nwltggwI4mK3w953xobt8yAx4IXchLOczka0h+luTgrIi6avIFgon AFyK+DpVrj8vPvwOjyz9slMJYYiG1YvwPnn/l1bj6PmScSVNs9JlyzINLL1jVy8i 2PND9u1u0KWx0+4otcoJIDV7c6aglM9qvBfPqgGposaUB20d44GtwGB3bIjiobbt Zopa3JpOsHcd61StA1EP =nxS9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201407222134.24416.lisi.re...@gmail.com
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On Ma, 22 iul 14, 12:28:20, The Wanderer wrote: The trouble is that you didn't then change the Subject line, so less-well-behaved mail clients will still sort it as part of the same thread, and even for people who use better ones the message is still being presented as being about the subject of the previous thread. Not fair. Given the amount of broken threads (even on Debian lists, where the ratio of better mail clients is significantly higher) setting strict_threads in Mutt is not a good idea. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 07/22/2014 04:34 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Tuesday 22 July 2014 17:29:11 The Wanderer wrote: Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. Seemed obvious enough to me, but I'm not necessarily a typical audience. I got lost at Have you undergone a personality transplant or has your rabbit died? - and I still don't see what that had to do with Dr, Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. :-/ Here's what happened as I interpret it. (Some parts of this are extrapolation, without having personally seen some of the evidence, but it seems like the best fit for the observed events I do know of.) Curt had previously seen Miles Fidelman posting in one style, presumably a calm, friendly, tolerant sort of one. Then Miles Fidelman made a post which Curt interpreted as being in a more abrasive, hostile, or otherwise negative style. Curt asked about two possible hypothetical explanations for this perceived change of tone: a personality transplant, or a displaced reaction to some traumatic event, such as the death of a (presumably beloved) pet. When questioned about what he meant by this question, Curt explained the question (perhaps poorly) by making a reference to Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, using the names of Miles Fidelman. Then people promptly started expressing confusion over the whole thing, and here we are. - -- The Wanderer Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. A government exists to serve its citizens, not to control them. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJTzyQoAAoJEASpNY00KDJrX1QP+wb4jdsM+zAwCk4XCgDMlQXX 2dpP1oWOFeFDbUrGq5h1hLgUgEd98nCtcvbRDrQZOMCwCeEty4vJs8/wfBBbJj8P iFGtAZh1lBqX8PVh0knokCVhMA7N4IKOCJzgECJLVYuRqH/YEt9Qjl7lnw66/jyH TbNR0jGafpUGVCTLaZYQnWbCaEshb+mBERgnSy0ckTwDVVBxXmD+2zs4fUTUugm+ Cbvt+0nkKjBnrTZg1d8cF/AIvoX9p57cSctqvDCrZMnWIpCJ0w6vv9BNTcTIFEb6 iDDZhg7RaqUjk+JJoI1qrkhUSjSgJ27g+6KnNA36REfH8vxqr+B7tG7XJUGqiITb gAGwSUpfAyNw9G8vOB7YXi3NuldihIucy0wgXQHTZxcWJikItZPERQbnAG47MEcD 6DAQNFks+YdJ2KGZ2RwMV+BB7TU1r/yGervjH0Y6i5w/5y/d1kl54DK2VVigPIW8 ZrngtXdCDCHTZEfUmmDW+6Sr0zCx0eMD3HIeKEdHi7+1palp96EuK0hFaKMHWMse mIzfxKMpxIMP4Y1edXQDb64ZaOjpe6/9umUR/UeRX/0aOkf5VGM33UQApBA7ewC6 b4AuvnUgfqPCdS/iIDA5cXmnMf4FpjWfLWmbilOxaGnqVJdJTk6aAjPGj8nOcJjj /IavJ1t2xtjrzMWu8uoj =aX/D -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53cf2428.2000...@fastmail.fm
Re: testing-dedicated ML? ( was Re: End of hypocrisy ? )
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 11:58 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 21.07.2014 15:31, Slavko a écrit : it seems, that there can good idea to provide separate ML for testing users. I agree, since testing is not for normal users (well... theoretically at least), so we could imagine that different MLs for (beta-)testing and productive usage (questions about how to do... and stable related bugs would go there, I guess). Now, I have no idea about the complexity of maintaining a new ML. Maybe there are also problems because some issues can not clearly affect only one of both testing and stable? There is one https://lists.debian.org/debian-testing/ but a quick look at the its archives shows that it isn't a heavily used list and that it's not a list for freaking out about systemd. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=SwzmN_Wrh9UUvn4SwfprT6cbRt+myBfrCf12Dq8g+X9=g...@mail.gmail.com
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Tom H grabbed a keyboard and wrote: There is one https://lists.debian.org/debian-testing/ but a quick look at the its archives shows that it isn't a heavily used list and that it's not a list for freaking out about systemd. Neither is this one, but that doesn't seem to stop people :-) smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
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On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 12:56 PM, David Guntner da...@guntner.com wrote: Tom H grabbed a keyboard and wrote: There is one https://lists.debian.org/debian-testing/ but a quick look at the its archives shows that it isn't a heavily used list and that it's not a list for freaking out about systemd. Neither is this one, but that doesn't seem to stop people :-) LOL. Very true. I guess that I've become more or less immune to the fact that can't be a reasonable discussion of certain topics. However the users of debian-testing@ might not appreciate their list being infected with our diseases! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=SwLLrBwyDSc3_++CJ-wJu9beT_F7s9AgmOph6A=eqb...@mail.gmail.com
Re: testing-dedicated ML? ( was Re: End of hypocrisy ? )
Tom H grabbed a keyboard and wrote: On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 12:56 PM, David Guntner da...@guntner.com wrote: Tom H grabbed a keyboard and wrote: There is one https://lists.debian.org/debian-testing/ but a quick look at the its archives shows that it isn't a heavily used list and that it's not a list for freaking out about systemd. Neither is this one, but that doesn't seem to stop people :-) LOL. Very true. I guess that I've become more or less immune to the fact that can't be a reasonable discussion of certain topics. Yea... However the users of debian-testing@ might not appreciate their list being infected with our diseases! Neither do the users of this list, but.. oh wait, I already covered that. ;) --Dave smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: testing-dedicated ML? ( was Re: End of hypocrisy ? )
I use Wheezy. I have been using Debian since Potato, as I remember, I started with Debian just after Y2K. I started out to write about the debian-testing ML but first I need help with a crazyness in my mail system that I just noticed, and must be a reinstall of wheezy that I completed a few days ago. I use Mutt to read mail, Emacs is invoked to write mail, Fetchmail gets mail via pop3 from my ISP, Procmail sorts it to mailboxes, and mstmp sends email back to my ISP. When I started everybody on this list who seemed to be an old timer assured that this tool chain was the right and proper way to do email (and never, ever, use html in email ;-). Now when I started this email, I get a long string of error messages in a form that I have never seen before. Here is a sample of a few lines: start [0x8c579e8] main libvlc error: vlc_object_find_name(puzzle) is not safe! [0x8c579e8] main libvlc error: vlc_object_find_name(puzzle) is not safe! [0x8c579e8] main libvlc error: vlc_object_find_name(magnify) is not safe! [0x8c579e8] main libvlc error: vlc_object_find_name(clone) is not safe! [0x8c579e8] main libvlc error: vlc_object_find_name(clone) is not safe! [0x8c579e8] main libvlc error: vlc_object_find_name(wall) is not safe! [0x8c579e8] main libvlc error: vlc_object_find_name(wall) is not safe! [0x8c579e8] main libvlc error: vlc_object_find_name(wall) is not safe! [0x8c579e8] main libvlc error: vlc_object_find_name(erase) is not safe! [0x8c579e8] main libvlc error: vlc_object_find_name(erase) is not safe! [0x8c579e8] main libvlc error: vlc_object_find_name(erase) is not safe! [0x8c579e8] main libvlc error: vlc_object_find_name(erase) is not safe! [0x8c579e8] main libvlc error: vlc_object_find_name(marq) is not safe! end This appears in the window that was running Mutt and displaying the incoming email until I pressed the final keystroke that transitioned me to Emacs. What is this? And what can I do to fix it? IMHO this should not happen in a plain vanilla stable release, or have I violated a recently established rule of proper behavior? Also, I just noticed that the last two lines are: Error: Incorrect password Error: Incorrect password But never before have I had to enter a password, to write an email and,, in reality, I wasn't offered an opportunity to enter a password. I attribute this to haveing having installed the most subnumber release (7.6???), but that is just a guess. Please help. On 20140721_1122-0700, David Guntner wrote: Tom H grabbed a keyboard and wrote: On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 12:56 PM, David Guntner da...@guntner.com wrote: Tom H grabbed a keyboard and wrote: I'll post further on the topic of debian-testing after I get this newer issue resolved. -- Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140721220004.ga12...@big.lan.gnu
