Re: troubleshooting Kmail

[Cindy-Sue Causey]

On 2/21/18, Curt  wrote:
> On 2018-02-21, rhkra...@gmail.com  wrote:
>> On Tuesday, February 20, 2018 08:57:27 PM Gene Heskett wrote:
>>> Not so good. The woof is back in the shop.
>>
>> Woof?  The dog?
>
> I think the woof fell in maybe.


Da woof, da woof

Da woof is on da house.

Re: troubleshooting Kmail

[Curt]

On 2018-02-21, rhkra...@gmail.com  wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 20, 2018 08:57:27 PM Gene Heskett wrote:
>> Not so good. The woof is back in the shop.
>
> Woof?  The dog?

I think the woof fell in maybe.

-- 
New York was no mere city. It was instead an infinitely romantic notion, the
mysterious nexus of all love and money and power, the shining and the
perishable dream itself. To think of 'living' there was to reduce the
miraculous to the mundane; one does not 'live' at Xanadu. --Joan Didion

Re: troubleshooting Kmail

[deloptes]

Mark Neidorff wrote:

> I respect your opinion, and the many contributions that you have made to
> this list.  You and I have both been more than annoyed with bad attitudes,
> you with KDE me with my bank.  I pointed out the problem that I had and
> how it has been mishandled, IMO. You mentioned "those bugs" but you
> haven't given specific examples.  Please give the examples.

I mainly referred to the bugs that were discussed here. I can recall that
10y ago as KDE4 came out, almost nothing worked and there was discussion
why it was released so early. As in the next 2 years almost nothing changed
I stayed with old KDE and never had a desire to have a look at the new KDE,
though I am subscribed to the KDE list, so I follow by reading what issues
people had.
After 10y there are still issues with critical application and attitude is
the same. This must be a joke. A joke I see not only with KDE. Similar
attitude was behind systemd - so some developers developed attitude of
negligence regarding needs of users. This is the problem I have. They are
guided by their road map and not by user satisfaction. This is contra
productive. Despite of this I hope that KDE will deliver a stable system
some day, or at least where the critical application will just work.

regayrds

Re: troubleshooting Kmail

[rhkramer]

On Tuesday, February 20, 2018 08:57:27 PM Gene Heskett wrote:
> Not so good. The woof is back in the shop.

Woof?  The dog?

Re: troubleshooting Kmail

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 20 February 2018 20:29:07 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Tuesday, February 20, 2018 12:20:46 PM Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Tuesday 20 February 2018 09:54:28 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > I wouldn't post any information like that in an unencrypted post /
> > > email.
> >
> > twasn't too smart...
>
> And I should have sent that sentence to you privately, and encrypted
> if I could.  Sorry.
>
> Have a good evening!

Not so good. The woof is back in the shop.

-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: troubleshooting Kmail

[rhkramer]

On Tuesday, February 20, 2018 12:20:46 PM Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Tuesday 20 February 2018 09:54:28 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> > I wouldn't post any information like that in an unencrypted post /
> > email.
> 
> twasn't too smart...

And I should have sent that sentence to you privately, and encrypted if I 
could.  Sorry.

Have a good evening!

Re: troubleshooting Kmail

[Mark Neidorff]

On Tuesday, February 20, 2018 2:07:29 AM EST deloptes wrote:
> Hi,
> 
<<>>
> > I am a long time kmail user.  I have noticed significant improvment in
> > stability and the filtering of incoming mail.  I use the filtering
> > extensively.
> > Before the last release, at the beginning of a KDE session, filtering was
> > OK,
> > but it slowed down with use.  In the latest version, it is extremely fast,
> > and
> > it doesn't get slower with use.  The only "bug" I have found in this
> > version
> > of kmail (5.5.2) is that an occasional "ghost" message will be in a folder
> > and
> > can't be removed.  I store emails locally via IMAP--one message per
> > file--and
> > except for the ghosts, I am extremely pleased.  I currently have over
> > 126,000
> > messages stored and about 8 "ghost" messages.  I searched through the
> > individual files that contain the e-mails and I can't find files for the
> > ghost
> > messages.
> > 
> > 
> > If the attitude of the KDE folks is the problem, please remember that they
> > are
> > not full time KDE programmers and customer service is probably not their
> > strong suit.
> 
> Look, either something works or does not work. Those bugs and KDE not
> fixing them is not acceptable.
> I know that they are not working full time or for profit. This is also not
> an excuse. Don't try to cover them and their attitude, please.
> It is pointless. When they bring up a working product, I will start using
> it and I mean working at acceptable level.
> Those problems you or others describe can not qualify the product as stable.
> I am willing to do some compromise on my requirements, but there is too
> much to compromise on, looking at KDE.
> And as I said - the biggest problem is their attitude. The attitude to
> release crap in stable and call it stable - call it whatever you want but
> not stable!
> 
> > I don't know if you consider this a valid comparison or not, but:
> > In October 2017 (as I recall), my bank (which shall remain nameless)
> > announced
> > that there would be a new version of the on-line access software coming
> > out on
> > January 1st.  Then, around January 10th they announced that the upgrade
> > had
> > some unresolved issues, and would not be rolled out until February 1st.
> > February 1st arrived and passed.  The new software was put in place on the
> > 12th.  Since then, I have been unable to login to my account.  No help on
> > the
> > screen.  When I called last week, they said that they were ware of the
> > problem
> > and were working very hard to resolve it.  No apology.  They can tell me
> > my
> > balance over the phone, but that is about it.  IMO, this is absurd.
> > 
> > Well this is what I am talking about - KDE is exactly the same - absurd!
> 
> I have to admit that KDE5 is much better that KDE4, but still - no stable
> and with that attitude and mind set, I doubt they will ever bring up
> something stable, which is really a pity.
> 
> I was involved in couple of discussions with them back in 2007 or 2008
> after they released the KDE4 crap. Can you imagine this was 10y ago.
> 
> regards

Deloptes,

I respect your opinion, and the many contributions that you have made to this 
list.  You and I have both been more than annoyed with bad attitudes, you with 
KDE me with my bank.  I pointed out the problem that I had and how it has been 
mishandled, IMO. You mentioned "those bugs" but you haven't given specific 
examples.  Please give the examples.

Thanks,
Mark

-- 
Its not whether you win or lose, its how you place the blame...

Re: troubleshooting Kmail

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 20 February 2018 09:54:28 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Tuesday, February 20, 2018 09:35:33 AM Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Tuesday 20 February 2018 06:08:05 Curt wrote:
> > > On 2018-02-19, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > > > That would result in my 5 digit balance being moved. However a
> > > > phone call generally resolves the problem, but the threat is
> > > > there, and they know it.
> > >
> > > Five digits, huh? Like $102.55?
>
> Just for the record, back in my working days, I had an agreement with
> my boss that if I needed more money I could add as many digits as I
> wanted to the right of the decimal place.
>
> > No decimal point, and the first digit isn't a 1.
>
> I wouldn't post any information like that in an unencrypted post /
> email.

twasn't too smart...



-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: troubleshooting Kmail

[rhkramer]

On Tuesday, February 20, 2018 09:35:33 AM Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Tuesday 20 February 2018 06:08:05 Curt wrote:
> > On 2018-02-19, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > > That would result in my 5 digit balance being moved. However a phone
> > > call generally resolves the problem, but the threat is there, and
> > > they know it.
> > 
> > Five digits, huh? Like $102.55?

Just for the record, back in my working days, I had an agreement with my boss 
that if I needed more money I could add as many digits as I wanted to the 
right of the decimal place.
 
> No decimal point, and the first digit isn't a 1.

I wouldn't post any information like that in an unencrypted post / email.

Re: troubleshooting Kmail

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 20 February 2018 06:08:05 Curt wrote:

> On 2018-02-19, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > That would result in my 5 digit balance being moved. However a phone
> > call generally resolves the problem, but the threat is there, and
> > they know it.
>
> Five digits, huh? Like $102.55?
>
No decimal point, and the first digit isn't a 1.

> Of course here they don't have those quaint little Mom and Pop local
> banks like they do in America, where maybe five digits (to the left of
> the decimal point!) might mean something; but the big boys couldn't
> care less about five, five is cacahuètes, you need at least seven to
> get anyone's attention (as in customer service) and probably more like
> eight.

This is a multistate banking concern. Yet they do care.

-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: troubleshooting Kmail

[Curt]

On 2018-02-19, Gene Heskett  wrote:
>
> That would result in my 5 digit balance being moved. However a phone call 
> generally resolves the problem, but the threat is there, and they know 
> it.

Five digits, huh? Like $102.55?

Of course here they don't have those quaint little Mom and Pop local
banks like they do in America, where maybe five digits (to the left of
the decimal point!) might mean something; but the big boys couldn't care
less about five, five is cacahuètes, you need at least seven to get
anyone's attention (as in customer service) and probably more like
eight.

-- 
New York was no mere city. It was instead an infinitely romantic notion, the
mysterious nexus of all love and money and power, the shining and the
perishable dream itself. To think of 'living' there was to reduce the
miraculous to the mundane; one does not 'live' at Xanadu. --Joan Didion

Re: troubleshooting Kmail

[deloptes]

Hi,

On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 9:52 PM,  wrote:

> On Monday, February 19, 2018 3:16:20 PM EST deloptes wrote:
> > Brad Rogers wrote:
> > > So far, my experience with KDE/QT5 has been good;  Things that were, in
> > > the past, broken, now work again.  I've not found anything wrong at
> all.
> >
> > yes a friend installed it and showed it to me, so the difference was
> there.
> > I also looked at Qt5 and the Sailfish OS project - it is impressive.
> >
> > > That said, I don't now, nor have I ever, used kmail, so can't comment
> > > about the state of play there.
> >
> > but this friend also does not user kmail and I am a heavy kmail user.
> > And even kmail is not the problem but the attitude of the KDE team.
>
> I am a long time kmail user.  I have noticed significant improvment in
> stability and the filtering of incoming mail.  I use the filtering
> extensively.
> Before the last release, at the beginning of a KDE session, filtering was
> OK,
> but it slowed down with use.  In the latest version, it is extremely fast,
> and
> it doesn't get slower with use.  The only "bug" I have found in this
> version
> of kmail (5.5.2) is that an occasional "ghost" message will be in a folder
> and
> can't be removed.  I store emails locally via IMAP--one message per
> file--and
> except for the ghosts, I am extremely pleased.  I currently have over
> 126,000
> messages stored and about 8 "ghost" messages.  I searched through the
> individual files that contain the e-mails and I can't find files for the
> ghost
> messages.


> If the attitude of the KDE folks is the problem, please remember that they
> are
> not full time KDE programmers and customer service is probably not their
> strong suit.
>

Look, either something works or does not work. Those bugs and KDE not
fixing them is not acceptable.
I know that they are not working full time or for profit. This is also not
an excuse. Don't try to cover them and their attitude, please.
It is pointless. When they bring up a working product, I will start using
it and I mean working at acceptable level.
Those problems you or others describe can not qualify the product as stable.
I am willing to do some compromise on my requirements, but there is too
much to compromise on, looking at KDE.
And as I said - the biggest problem is their attitude. The attitude to
release crap in stable and call it stable - call it whatever you want but
not stable!


>
> I don't know if you consider this a valid comparison or not, but:
> In October 2017 (as I recall), my bank (which shall remain nameless)
> announced
> that there would be a new version of the on-line access software coming
> out on
> January 1st.  Then, around January 10th they announced that the upgrade had
> some unresolved issues, and would not be rolled out until February 1st.
> February 1st arrived and passed.  The new software was put in place on the
> 12th.  Since then, I have been unable to login to my account.  No help on
> the
> screen.  When I called last week, they said that they were ware of the
> problem
> and were working very hard to resolve it.  No apology.  They can tell me my
> balance over the phone, but that is about it.  IMO, this is absurd.
>
> Well this is what I am talking about - KDE is exactly the same - absurd!
I have to admit that KDE5 is much better that KDE4, but still - no stable
and with that attitude and mind set, I doubt they will ever bring up
something stable, which is really a pity.

I was involved in couple of discussions with them back in 2007 or 2008
after they released the KDE4 crap. Can you imagine this was 10y ago.

regards

Re: troubleshooting Kmail

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 19 February 2018 15:52:37 m...@neidorff.com wrote:

> On Monday, February 19, 2018 3:16:20 PM EST deloptes wrote:
> > Brad Rogers wrote:
> > > So far, my experience with KDE/QT5 has been good;  Things that
> > > were, in the past, broken, now work again.  I've not found
> > > anything wrong at all.
> >
> > yes a friend installed it and showed it to me, so the difference was
> > there. I also looked at Qt5 and the Sailfish OS project - it is
> > impressive.
> >
> > > That said, I don't now, nor have I ever, used kmail, so can't
> > > comment about the state of play there.
> >
> > but this friend also does not user kmail and I am a heavy kmail
> > user. And even kmail is not the problem but the attitude of the KDE
> > team.
>
> I am a long time kmail user.  I have noticed significant improvment in
> stability and the filtering of incoming mail.  I use the filtering
> extensively. Before the last release, at the beginning of a KDE
> session, filtering was OK, but it slowed down with use.  In the latest
> version, it is extremely fast, and it doesn't get slower with use. 
> The only "bug" I have found in this version of kmail (5.5.2) is that
> an occasional "ghost" message will be in a folder and can't be
> removed.  I store emails locally via IMAP--one message per file--and
> except for the ghosts, I am extremely pleased.  I currently have over
> 126,000 messages stored and about 8 "ghost" messages.  I searched
> through the individual files that contain the e-mails and I can't find
> files for the ghost messages.
>
> If the attitude of the KDE folks is the problem, please remember that
> they are not full time KDE programmers and customer service is
> probably not their strong suit.
>
> I don't know if you consider this a valid comparison or not, but:
> In October 2017 (as I recall), my bank (which shall remain nameless)
> announced that there would be a new version of the on-line access
> software coming out on January 1st.  Then, around January 10th they
> announced that the upgrade had some unresolved issues, and would not
> be rolled out until February 1st. February 1st arrived and passed. 
> The new software was put in place on the 12th.  Since then, I have
> been unable to login to my account.  No help on the screen.  When I
> called last week, they said that they were ware of the problem and
> were working very hard to resolve it.  No apology.  They can tell me
> my balance over the phone, but that is about it.  IMO, this is absurd.
>
> Mark

That would result in my 5 digit balance being moved. However a phone call 
generally resolves the problem, but the threat is there, and they know 
it.

-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: troubleshooting Kmail

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 19 February 2018 15:33:55 Brian wrote:

> On Mon 19 Feb 2018 at 21:16:20 +0100, deloptes wrote:
> > Brad Rogers wrote:
> > > So far, my experience with KDE/QT5 has been good;  Things that
> > > were, in the past, broken, now work again.  I've not found
> > > anything wrong at all.
> >
> > yes a friend installed it and showed it to me, so the difference was
> > there. I also looked at Qt5 and the Sailfish OS project - it is
> > impressive.
> >
> > > That said, I don't now, nor have I ever, used kmail, so can't
> > > comment about the state of play there.
> >
> > but this friend also does not user kmail and I am a heavy kmail
> > user. And even kmail is not the problem but the attitude of the KDE
> > team.
>
> This is the second time you have ascribed dubious motives to the KDE
> team. Technical criticisms are within the bounds of posting to -user;
> crediting them with some unspecified "attitude" and disregarding
> fixing "broken stuff" isn't.

Even if its true? I have, in the past, been told off by Mr. Ingo Klocker. 
The net result is that I'm useing TDE on my two most powerfull machines. 
And I will continue to promote it as a stable, just works, alternative 
to the high speed blender throwing stuff on the walls that is kde.
Or was at about 4.0. No clue what it is now. The kmail problem that 
resulted in my final msg from Mr. Klocker, has since been more than 
alleviated by offloading its mail fetching duties to fetchmail and 
procmail, coupled to kmail by a bash script I wrote using inotifywait, 
so the 2 minute freeze while it fetches mail from my isp's server, is 
now a fraction of a second while it fetches the mail 
from /var/spool/mail after being told over dbus that mail has arrived.. 

I'm basically a lazy old (83) coot, who handles his incoming mail by 
using the plus key to goto the next unread message, if its something I 
might help with, click on the correct reply format, start typing in the 
composer that appears, when done, ctrl-return sends it and the plus key 
brings up the next msg until there are none left. Or I have to leave and 
take care of my fading (repaired broken hip, late stage COPD) wife.  How 
much simpler can it get?

That bash script? Just ask.

-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: troubleshooting Kmail

[mark]

On Monday, February 19, 2018 3:16:20 PM EST deloptes wrote:
> Brad Rogers wrote:
> > So far, my experience with KDE/QT5 has been good;  Things that were, in
> > the past, broken, now work again.  I've not found anything wrong at all.
> 
> yes a friend installed it and showed it to me, so the difference was there.
> I also looked at Qt5 and the Sailfish OS project - it is impressive.
> 
> > That said, I don't now, nor have I ever, used kmail, so can't comment
> > about the state of play there.
> 
> but this friend also does not user kmail and I am a heavy kmail user.
> And even kmail is not the problem but the attitude of the KDE team.

I am a long time kmail user.  I have noticed significant improvment in 
stability and the filtering of incoming mail.  I use the filtering extensively. 
Before the last release, at the beginning of a KDE session, filtering was OK, 
but it slowed down with use.  In the latest version, it is extremely fast, and 
it doesn't get slower with use.  The only "bug" I have found in this version 
of kmail (5.5.2) is that an occasional "ghost" message will be in a folder and 
can't be removed.  I store emails locally via IMAP--one message per file--and 
except for the ghosts, I am extremely pleased.  I currently have over 126,000 
messages stored and about 8 "ghost" messages.  I searched through the 
individual files that contain the e-mails and I can't find files for the ghost 
messages.

If the attitude of the KDE folks is the problem, please remember that they are 
not full time KDE programmers and customer service is probably not their 
strong suit.  

I don't know if you consider this a valid comparison or not, but:
In October 2017 (as I recall), my bank (which shall remain nameless) announced 
that there would be a new version of the on-line access software coming out on 
January 1st.  Then, around January 10th they announced that the upgrade had 
some unresolved issues, and would not be rolled out until February 1st.  
February 1st arrived and passed.  The new software was put in place on the 
12th.  Since then, I have been unable to login to my account.  No help on the 
screen.  When I called last week, they said that they were ware of the problem 
and were working very hard to resolve it.  No apology.  They can tell me my 
balance over the phone, but that is about it.  IMO, this is absurd.

Mark

Re: troubleshooting Kmail

[Brian]

On Mon 19 Feb 2018 at 21:16:20 +0100, deloptes wrote:

> Brad Rogers wrote:
> 
> > So far, my experience with KDE/QT5 has been good;  Things that were, in
> > the past, broken, now work again.  I've not found anything wrong at all.
> > 
> 
> yes a friend installed it and showed it to me, so the difference was there.
> I also looked at Qt5 and the Sailfish OS project - it is impressive.
> 
> > That said, I don't now, nor have I ever, used kmail, so can't comment
> > about the state of play there.
> 
> but this friend also does not user kmail and I am a heavy kmail user.
> And even kmail is not the problem but the attitude of the KDE team.

This is the second time you have ascribed dubious motives to the KDE
team. Technical criticisms are within the bounds of posting to -user;
crediting them with some unspecified "attitude" and disregarding fixing
"broken stuff" isn't.

-- 
Brian.

Re: troubleshooting Kmail

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 19 February 2018 10:38:57 m...@neidorff.com wrote:

> On Sunday, February 18, 2018 4:02:04 PM EST Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Sunday 18 February 2018 04:11:48 David Baron wrote:
> > > Kmail has been broken for weeks. No action, just excuses. Might
> > > simply have to abandon it after all these years.
> >
> > Then look at TDE, its kde forked at about the 3.5 point, with
> > kajillions of bugs fixed. I'm running it here, works perfect.
>
> Thanks Gene,
>
> I've been searching for the TDE e-mail client that you mention and I
> can't find it.  Can you please point me in the right direction?
>
> Mark

google for Trinity Desktop  Environment. It should point you someplace 
near to pearsoncomputing.net IIRC. 


-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: troubleshooting Kmail

[deloptes]

Brad Rogers wrote:

> So far, my experience with KDE/QT5 has been good;  Things that were, in
> the past, broken, now work again.  I've not found anything wrong at all.
> 

yes a friend installed it and showed it to me, so the difference was there.
I also looked at Qt5 and the Sailfish OS project - it is impressive.

> That said, I don't now, nor have I ever, used kmail, so can't comment
> about the state of play there.

but this friend also does not user kmail and I am a heavy kmail user.
And even kmail is not the problem but the attitude of the KDE team.

Re: troubleshooting Kmail

[Brad Rogers]

On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 19:14:35 +0100
deloptes  wrote:

Hello deloptes,

>was thinking recently to have a look at KDE as they released KDE5 (Qt5)
>and it looked promising, but if they have still same attitude to
>release broken

So far, my experience with KDE/QT5 has been good;  Things that were, in
the past, broken, now work again.  I've not found anything wrong at all.

That said, I don't now, nor have I ever, used kmail, so can't comment
about the state of play there.

-- 
 Regards  _
 / )   "The blindingly obvious is
/ _)radnever immediately apparent"
It's becoming an obsession
Teenage Depression - Eddie & The Hot Rods


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Re: troubleshooting Kmail

[deloptes]

m...@neidorff.com wrote:

> On Sunday, February 18, 2018 4:02:04 PM EST Gene Heskett wrote:
>> On Sunday 18 February 2018 04:11:48 David Baron wrote:
>> > Kmail has been broken for weeks. No action, just excuses. Might simply
>> > have to abandon it after all these years.
>> 
>> Then look at TDE, its kde forked at about the 3.5 point, with kajillions
>> of bugs fixed. I'm running it here, works perfect.
>> 
> 
> Thanks Gene,
> 
> I've been searching for the TDE e-mail client that you mention and I can't
> find
> it.  Can you please point me in the right direction?
> 
> Mark

It has it's own repository and desktop - its called TDE :)
https://trinitydesktop.org/

What Gene suggested is to stop wasting time with KDE and go for TDE [1]. I
was thinking recently to have a look at KDE as they released KDE5 (Qt5) and
it looked promising, but if they have still same attitude to release broken
stuff and jeopardize user experience and confidence - I won't waste time
for now.

regards

[1]
https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Category:Documentation#Installing_from_a_Package_Manager

Re: troubleshooting Kmail

[mark]

On Sunday, February 18, 2018 4:02:04 PM EST Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Sunday 18 February 2018 04:11:48 David Baron wrote:
> > Kmail has been broken for weeks. No action, just excuses. Might simply
> > have to abandon it after all these years.
> 
> Then look at TDE, its kde forked at about the 3.5 point, with kajillions
> of bugs fixed. I'm running it here, works perfect.
> 

Thanks Gene,

I've been searching for the TDE e-mail client that you mention and I can't find 
it.  Can you please point me in the right direction?

Mark

Re: troubleshooting Kmail

[deloptes]

Gene Heskett wrote:

> Then look at TDE, its kde forked at about the 3.5 point, with kajillions
> of bugs fixed. I'm running it here, works perfect.

+1

Re: troubleshooting Kmail

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 18 February 2018 04:11:48 David Baron wrote:

> Kmail has been broken for weeks. No action, just excuses. Might simply
> have to abandon it after all these years.
>
Then look at TDE, its kde forked at about the 3.5 point, with kajillions 
of bugs fixed. I'm running it here, works perfect.

> On Sat, Feb 17, 2018, 11:42 PM  wrote:
> > On Saturday, February 17, 2018 3:59:53 PM EST ernst doubt wrote:
> > > I sent a similar message to debian-kde this morning, but it
> > > appears
> >
> > there's
> >
> > > not much activity there, so I figured I'd also try here.
> > >
> > > I've been a debian GNU/linux user (I like KDE for my desktop,
> > > though I generally keep openbox (and gnome) available as
> > > "fallbacks") for quite
> >
> > some
> >
> > > time now (decades at least) and am in general a very happy user.
> > > I've
> >
> > been
> >
> > > using  both thunderbird and claws-mail as IMAP clients for some
> > > time, but recently (a few months ago) I set up Kmail (and I like
> > > it very much, as integration with gnupg was relatively painless).
> > > I am again using it as
> >
> > an
> >
> > > IMAP client (with this gmail address). I have two computers, both
> > > running debian 9 stretch. On one of them (the laptop), Kmail is
> > > functioning properly, but on the desktop machine which I'm writing
> > > from now, incoming email has not been appearing since the end of
> > > January. I don't see any obvious menu entries which would give me
> > > access to log files in order to try to troubleshoot the problem,
> > > so I'm looking for any advice as to how
> >
> > I
> >
> > > might go about correcting the issue so this instance of Kmail can
> > > again receive email (it's possible that the problem is as simple
> > > as an incorrectly entered password though I've just attempted to
> > > reenter it
> >
> > with
> >
> > > no improvement in mail fetching behavior). I'm not currently
> > > subscribed
> >
> > to
> >
> > > this list, so CCing me is perfectly fine (though I'll monitor the
> > > web archives for responses on which I may not be CCed).
> > >
> > >thanks so much in advance for any clues anyone may have to
> > > share with
> >
> > me,
> >
> > > ~c
> >
> > Ernst,
> >
> > Things that come to mind...
> > The way IMAP works is e-mail is delivered to the mail server
> > (google/gmail, is
> > what I think you said). Your client (kmail, thunderbird, etc) reads
> > an email
> > message from the server. Then, depending on configuration, the
> > message is saved
> > or deleted?  So, check your configuration to be sure that the IMAP
> > server is
> > configured to leave mail on the server after being read.
> > Also, have you checked that the version of kmail is the same on both
> > computers?
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > Have you ckecked the version of each instance of kmail?



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Re: troubleshooting Kmail

[David Baron]

Kmail has been broken for weeks. No action, just excuses. Might simply have
to abandon it after all these years.

On Sat, Feb 17, 2018, 11:42 PM  wrote:

> On Saturday, February 17, 2018 3:59:53 PM EST ernst doubt wrote:
> > I sent a similar message to debian-kde this morning, but it appears
> there's
> > not much activity there, so I figured I'd also try here.
> >
> > I've been a debian GNU/linux user (I like KDE for my desktop, though I
> > generally keep openbox (and gnome) available as "fallbacks") for quite
> some
> > time now (decades at least) and am in general a very happy user. I've
> been
> > using  both thunderbird and claws-mail as IMAP clients for some time, but
> > recently (a few months ago) I set up Kmail (and I like it very much, as
> > integration with gnupg was relatively painless). I am again using it as
> an
> > IMAP client (with this gmail address). I have two computers, both running
> > debian 9 stretch. On one of them (the laptop), Kmail is functioning
> > properly, but on the desktop machine which I'm writing from now, incoming
> > email has not been appearing since the end of January. I don't see any
> > obvious menu entries which would give me access to log files in order to
> > try to troubleshoot the problem, so I'm looking for any advice as to how
> I
> > might go about correcting the issue so this instance of Kmail can again
> > receive email (it's possible that the problem is as simple as an
> > incorrectly entered password though I've just attempted to reenter it
> with
> > no improvement in mail fetching behavior). I'm not currently subscribed
> to
> > this list, so CCing me is perfectly fine (though I'll monitor the web
> > archives for responses on which I may not be CCed).
> >
> >thanks so much in advance for any clues anyone may have to share with
> me,
> > ~c
>
> Ernst,
>
> Things that come to mind...
> The way IMAP works is e-mail is delivered to the mail server
> (google/gmail, is
> what I think you said). Your client (kmail, thunderbird, etc) reads an
> email
> message from the server. Then, depending on configuration, the message is
> saved
> or deleted?  So, check your configuration to be sure that the IMAP server
> is
> configured to leave mail on the server after being read.
> Also, have you checked that the version of kmail is the same on both
> computers?
>
> Mark
>
> Have you ckecked the version of each instance of kmail?
>
>

Re: troubleshooting Kmail

[mark]

On Saturday, February 17, 2018 3:59:53 PM EST ernst doubt wrote:
> I sent a similar message to debian-kde this morning, but it appears there's
> not much activity there, so I figured I'd also try here.
> 
> I've been a debian GNU/linux user (I like KDE for my desktop, though I
> generally keep openbox (and gnome) available as "fallbacks") for quite some
> time now (decades at least) and am in general a very happy user. I've been
> using  both thunderbird and claws-mail as IMAP clients for some time, but
> recently (a few months ago) I set up Kmail (and I like it very much, as
> integration with gnupg was relatively painless). I am again using it as an
> IMAP client (with this gmail address). I have two computers, both running
> debian 9 stretch. On one of them (the laptop), Kmail is functioning
> properly, but on the desktop machine which I'm writing from now, incoming
> email has not been appearing since the end of January. I don't see any
> obvious menu entries which would give me access to log files in order to
> try to troubleshoot the problem, so I'm looking for any advice as to how I
> might go about correcting the issue so this instance of Kmail can again
> receive email (it's possible that the problem is as simple as an
> incorrectly entered password though I've just attempted to reenter it with
> no improvement in mail fetching behavior). I'm not currently subscribed to
> this list, so CCing me is perfectly fine (though I'll monitor the web
> archives for responses on which I may not be CCed).
> 
>thanks so much in advance for any clues anyone may have to share with me,
> ~c

Ernst,

Things that come to mind...
The way IMAP works is e-mail is delivered to the mail server (google/gmail, is 
what I think you said). Your client (kmail, thunderbird, etc) reads an email 
message from the server. Then, depending on configuration, the message is saved 
or deleted?  So, check your configuration to be sure that the IMAP server  is 
configured to leave mail on the server after being read.
Also, have you checked that the version of kmail is the same on both 
computers?

Mark

Have you ckecked the version of each instance of kmail?