Re: where is xemacs21?
Hi,
>>"Joachim" == Joachim Trinkwitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Joachim> If you mean the Debian *package* psgml, note that it doesn't work with
Joachim> xemacs (all versions), it depends on a flavour of (GNU-)emacs; xemacs
Joachim> users most of the time had to be contented with older versions of the
Joachim> packages (which I always thought would possible to overcome, but
Joachim> depended on some political rather than technical decision of the
Joachim> maintainer, but maybe I'm wrong here).
Well, there are a number of packages that were bundled into
XEmacs, sometimes with enhancements specific for the advanced
graphical capability of XEmacs. For some packages, it is necessary to
perform additional configuration for XEmacs (VM comes to mind). I
maintain a number of Emacs lisp packages, and I confess the decision
not to override the builtin packages that come with XEmacs is partly
due to the facts that a) I do not use XEmacs, and hance can't really
drive the assimilation, and b) it would require co-ordinating with
the XEmacs a=maintainer, and I have been lazy (well, because of
clause a, this is moot).
I did make gnus compile on XEmacs as well, since that package
is known to be well integrated into all new emacsen. If anyone tests
psgml on XEmacs, I'll try and coordinate with the developer in
question. This requires one to add the xemacs20 to the case statement
in the files /usr/lib/emacsen-common/packages/{install,remove}/psgml,
and run /usr/lib/emacsen-common/packages/install/psgml xemacs20
*or*
/usr/lib/emacsen-common/emacs-package-install psgml
manoj
Joachim> My xemacs21 version of psgml is according to the package number 1.12,
Joachim> whereas the current Debian package number is 1.1.6.
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Please read the file README
it was last modified on Fri Oct 23 21:13:49 1998 - 236 days ago
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Current remote directory is /pub/sgml.
ncftp /pub/sgml > dir
drwxrwxr-x 3 lenstlocal 512 Oct 23 1998 .
drwxrwsr-x 53 root local 1024 Nov 24 1998 ..
drwxr-xr-x 2 lenstlocal 512 Nov 15 1998 ALPHA
-rw-r--r-- 1 lenstlysator1409 Oct 23 1998 README
-rw-r--r-- 1 lenstlysator 130448 Feb 22 1995 psgml-0.4b3.tar.gz
-rw-r--r-- 1 lenstlysator 206915 Nov 20 1996 psgml-1.0.1.tar.gz
-rw-r--r-- 1 lenstlysator 237892 Oct 23 1998 psgml-1.0.3.tar.gz
-rw-r--r-- 1 lenstlysator 206922 Nov 11 1996 psgml-1.0.tar.gz
*ncftp /pub/sgml > dir ALPHA/
drwxr-xr-x 2 lenstlocal 512 Nov 15 1998 .
drwxrwxr-x 3 lenstlocal 512 Oct 23 1998 ..
-rw-r--r-- 1 lenstlysator 144709 May 14 1998 psgml-1.1.1.tar.gz
-rw-r--r-- 1 lenstlysator 146491 Jun 22 1998 psgml-1.1.2.tar.gz
-rw-r--r-- 1 lenstlysator 148017 Jul 3 1998 psgml-1.1.3.tar.gz
-rw-r--r-- 1 lenstlysator 148306 Sep 30 1998 psgml-1.1.4.tar.gz
-rw-r--r-- 1 lenstlysator 148791 Oct 31 1998 psgml-1.1.5.tar.gz
-rw-r--r-- 1 lenstlysator 150054 Nov 15 1998 psgml-1.1.6.tar.gz
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Re: where is xemacs21?
Joachim Trinkwitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > If you mean the Debian *package* psgml, note that it doesn't work with > xemacs (all versions), it depends on a flavour of (GNU-)emacs; Yes, but there really is no reason it couldn't be made to work. I thought the main reason the Debian package was separate is that XEmacs comes with its own version > xemacs > users most of the time had to be contented with older versions of the > packages (which I always thought would possible to overcome, but > depended on some political rather than technical decision of the > maintainer, but maybe I'm wrong here). The real reason is that the 1.1.x releases of psgml's are betas. XEmacs includes the latest official release which is 1.0.3. > > stick them in /lib/xemacs/site-packages/lisp > > > Thanks for the hint, I saw it on xemacs.org's Quick Start Guide > page, too, Doesn't surprise me as I wrote both :-) > but that didn't work here. It should. Could you please find out why? -- Jan Vroonhofhttp://www.math.ethz.ch/~vroonhof/ Mathematik, vroonhof @ math.ethz.ch HG E16, ETH-Zentrum, Tel: +41-1-6325456/25154 Raemistrasse 101, CH-8092 Zuerich. Fax: +41-1-6321085
Re: where is xemacs21?
Jan Vroonhof <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Note that the debian version of psgml is newer than the one include in > the XEmacs packaging system (the debian one is officially still beta I > believe). > If you mean the Debian *package* psgml, note that it doesn't work with xemacs (all versions), it depends on a flavour of (GNU-)emacs; xemacs users most of the time had to be contented with older versions of the packages (which I always thought would possible to overcome, but depended on some political rather than technical decision of the maintainer, but maybe I'm wrong here). My xemacs21 version of psgml is according to the package number 1.12, whereas the current Debian package number is 1.1.6. > > > the only thing I don't know > > yet is how to install local lisp stuff properly. > > stick them in /lib/xemacs/site-packages/lisp > Thanks for the hint, I saw it on xemacs.org's Quick Start Guide page, too, but that didn't work here. Greetings, joachim
Re: where is xemacs21?
Min Xu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > How about the /etc/*emacs/site-start.d/* stuff? > > If I want to keep the xemacs20 style, i.e., automatically source these > starting up files, how can I do that? You need to copy the Debian specific code that does that (not sure where that is, I am not near a Debian system now) to the new tree. If you want to be fancy you can stick it into .../site-packages/lisp/auto-autoload.el Jan
Re: where is xemacs21?
Hi, there: How about the /etc/*emacs/site-start.d/* stuff? If I want to keep the xemacs20 style, i.e., automatically source these starting up files, how can I do that? -- Min Xu City College of NY, CUNY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel:(O) (212) 650-6865 (O) (212) 650-5046 (H) (212) 690-2119
Re: where is xemacs21?
Joachim Trinkwitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > 2. Grab the corresponding packages for the new packaging system from >ftp://ftp.xemacs.org/ or one of its mirrors (bbdb, auctex, gnus, >psgml, ... whatever, there are no standard lisp packages included >any more) Note that the debian version of psgml is newer than the one include in the XEmacs packaging system (the debian one is officially still beta I believe). > Works out of the box here, as you can see from my X-Mailer line in the > header. You can even update the packages online from within Xemacs now > (there is sort of a dependency system); Unfortunately those dependencies are compile-time dependencies only (i.e. source dependencies in Debian terms). Most of them these are superset of run-time dependencies, but not always. A real dependency system is planned. > the only thing I don't know > yet is how to install local lisp stuff properly. stick them in /lib/xemacs/site-packages/lisp Jan -- Jan Vroonhofhttp://www.math.ethz.ch/~vroonhof/ Mathematik, vroonhof @ math.ethz.ch HG E16, ETH-Zentrum, Tel: +41-1-6325456/25154 Raemistrasse 101, CH-8092 Zuerich. Fax: +41-1-6321085
Re: where is xemacs21?
Matthew Gregan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Has anybody tried installing these packages yet, and had much success? > I succeeded this way: 1. Uninstall all emacs related debian packages which you want to use with xemacs21 (e.g. bbdb, apel, ...), they don't seem to work for me by now 2. Grab the corresponding packages for the new packaging system from ftp://ftp.xemacs.org/ or one of its mirrors (bbdb, auctex, gnus, psgml, ... whatever, there are no standard lisp packages included any more) 3. Install the packages according to the Quick Start Guide on the Xemacs home page (I made a link from /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/ to /usr/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/ and installed it there) Works out of the box here, as you can see from my X-Mailer line in the header. You can even update the packages online from within Xemacs now (there is sort of a dependency system); the only thing I don't know yet is how to install local lisp stuff properly. Greetings and happy xemaxing, joachim
Re: where is xemacs21?
Hi, I also tried that xemacs21 without good news. To install it in potato, I had to remove python-elisp to successfully install it. And after it was installed, I found that the /etc/*emacs/site-start.d/* is not loaded when the xemacs21 starts up and there are some errors in the starting phase reporting unknown symbols of some packages which though works well for xemacs20. It can only starts without error with a -q option, i.e., no initial .emacs stuff. Any one got a better result? -- Min Xu City College of NY, CUNY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel:(O) (212) 650-6865 (O) (212) 650-5046 (H) (212) 690-2119
Re: where is xemacs21?
On Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 03:07:41AM +0200, Hartmut Figge wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Anyone know where to get the debian package for xemacs21.1? > > hm, not to be found on debian.org, but use > > http://ftpsearch.lycos.com/?form=medium > > and search for xemacs21, sorted by date/host. i´ve just done that and > found the packages. Has anybody tried installing these packages yet, and had much success? I grabbed the bin, support and nomule packages (version 21.1.2-1) and installed them. There seemed to be quite a few failures in byte-compiling the .el files (which I don't remember seeing with xemacs20) and some functionality appears to be missing which is working in xemacs20 (and emacs20) (e.g. M-x spook is unavailable in xemacs21). I installed the same set of packages for xemacs21 as for xemacs20, so I don't know what the problem is, I guess the packages are not quite ready yet, or I messed up somewhere. Cheers. -- Matthew Gregan[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: where is xemacs21?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Hi, there. > > Anyone know where to get the debian package for xemacs21.1? hm, not to be found on debian.org, but use http://ftpsearch.lycos.com/?form=medium and search for xemacs21, sorted by date/host. i´ve just done that and found the packages. hafi
