Re: XORG.CONF or a solution without xorg.conf needed

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Tue, 2011-05-31 at 20:14 +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Ma, 31 mai 11, 13:18:15, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > > 
> > > For Debian I still need to set up a xorg.conf, 
> > 
> > Why do you think so?
> > 
> > I  don't think so, it's a declarative statement.
> 
> Since you didn't provide more info I guessed you assumed you need one, 
> while with reasonably recent hardware it's not needed in 99% of the 
> cases ;)
> 
> > I guess nobody wish to have a vertically frequency of 60Hz ;), it's not
> > very pleasant to look into a stroboscope. In addition I wish to be able
> > to select the screen resolution I like, 1152x864 @ 90Hz.
> 
> That's a good reason for an xorg.conf ;)
> 
> > Then I have several needs and need several drivers. I'm used to switch
> > the drivers automatically at startup, by adding
> > 
> > rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf
> > case $(uname -r) in
> > *rt*)
> > cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf.nv /etc/X11/xorg.conf
> > ;;
> > *)
> > cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf.nvidia /etc/X11/xorg.conf
> > ;;
> > esac
> > 
> > to /etc/rcS.d.
> 
> Could you provide more details why you have to change drivers?

Yes, but lets skip this. One xorg.conf or an alternative without the
proprietary driver would satisfy me at the moment.
Sometimes the rt-patched kernel can't be used with NVIDIA proprietary
drivers, because it isn't able to build the driver or because the driver
isn't good regarding to real-time performance.

At the moment it's only important to get the wanted resolution + the
wanted vertically frequency, without the proprietary driver. I'll do
some trial and error later.

> 
> > At the moment I urgently need help regarding to xorg.conf or any other
> > solution that enables me to select the driver, and to get 1152x864 @
> > 90Hz.
> > 
> > The graphics is a NVIDIA GeForce 7200 GS aka 7300 SE. The CRT monitor is
> > an Lifetec/Medion MD1998JB J91B.
> 
> The big question about the monitor is if it (correctly) sends EDID data 
> to the video card. Please post the full /var/log/Xorg.0.log after 
> starting without any xorg.conf.

Ok, I'll flag this email, to keep this in mind.

> 
> > At the moment for my Debian install, the mouse wheel isn't working, as
> > soon as I add a xorg.conf. Without an xorg.conf the mouse wheel seems to
> > work all the times. I stopped trying to use old xorg.confs.
> > 
> > I run Xorg -configure in recovery mode.
> > 
> > The mouse is a wired Trekker Wheel Mouse 2.0A PS/2.
> > 
> > This is what Xorg -configure generated
> > 
> > Section "InputDevice"
> > Identifier  "Mouse0"
> > Driver  "mouse"
> > Option  "Protocol" "auto"
> > Option  "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
> > Option  "ZAxisMapping" "4 5 6 7"
> > EndSection
> 
> You don't have to specify everything in xorg.conf, just the minimal 
> stuff to get your monitor working as you want it. Assuming your monitor 
> doesn't send (correct) EDID data you'll need at least something like 
> this:
> 
> Section "Monitor"
> Identifier  "My Monitor"
> HorizSync   XX XX
> VertRefresh YY YY
> EndSection

I've got a set up that works with Ubuntu Maverick and Ubuntu Natty, but
it don't works for Debian stable, I need to check if I might have chaged
something randomly ... later today.

> 
> The values for XX and YY should be taken from the monitors 
> manual/specifications, otherwise you can fry it.
> 
> With this info Xorg might be able to setup a usable resolution/refresh 
> rate. The next step (if needed) would be to specify one ore more 
> resolutions from which Xorg can choose (default will be the highest). If 
> this is still not enough you'll need to generate a Modeline specific to 
> your monitor.
> 
> Hope this is enough info to get you going. If you get stuck feel free to 
> ask for more infos on list[1], but always attach full xorg.conf (or 
> xorg.conf.d files) and the respective /var/log/Xorg.0.log.
> 
> [1] BTW, I do read the list, CC-ing me is not necessary ;)
> 
> Regards,
> Andrei

Oops, perhaps an issue regarding to Evolution and mailing list
filtering, but maybe my fault.

Thank you,

Ralf



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Re: XORG.CONF or a solution without xorg.conf needed

[Andrei Popescu]

On Ma, 31 mai 11, 13:18:15, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > 
> > For Debian I still need to set up a xorg.conf, 
> 
> Why do you think so?
> 
> I  don't think so, it's a declarative statement.

Since you didn't provide more info I guessed you assumed you need one, 
while with reasonably recent hardware it's not needed in 99% of the 
cases ;)

> I guess nobody wish to have a vertically frequency of 60Hz ;), it's not
> very pleasant to look into a stroboscope. In addition I wish to be able
> to select the screen resolution I like, 1152x864 @ 90Hz.

That's a good reason for an xorg.conf ;)

> Then I have several needs and need several drivers. I'm used to switch
> the drivers automatically at startup, by adding
> 
> rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf
> case $(uname -r) in
> *rt*)
> cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf.nv /etc/X11/xorg.conf
> ;;
> *)
>   cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf.nvidia /etc/X11/xorg.conf
> ;;
> esac
> 
> to /etc/rcS.d.

Could you provide more details why you have to change drivers?

> At the moment I urgently need help regarding to xorg.conf or any other
> solution that enables me to select the driver, and to get 1152x864 @
> 90Hz.
> 
> The graphics is a NVIDIA GeForce 7200 GS aka 7300 SE. The CRT monitor is
> an Lifetec/Medion MD1998JB J91B.

The big question about the monitor is if it (correctly) sends EDID data 
to the video card. Please post the full /var/log/Xorg.0.log after 
starting without any xorg.conf.

> At the moment for my Debian install, the mouse wheel isn't working, as
> soon as I add a xorg.conf. Without an xorg.conf the mouse wheel seems to
> work all the times. I stopped trying to use old xorg.confs.
> 
> I run Xorg -configure in recovery mode.
> 
> The mouse is a wired Trekker Wheel Mouse 2.0A PS/2.
> 
> This is what Xorg -configure generated
> 
> Section "InputDevice"
>   Identifier  "Mouse0"
>   Driver  "mouse"
>   Option  "Protocol" "auto"
>   Option  "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
>   Option  "ZAxisMapping" "4 5 6 7"
> EndSection

You don't have to specify everything in xorg.conf, just the minimal 
stuff to get your monitor working as you want it. Assuming your monitor 
doesn't send (correct) EDID data you'll need at least something like 
this:

Section "Monitor"
Identifier  "My Monitor"
HorizSync   XX XX
VertRefresh YY YY
EndSection

The values for XX and YY should be taken from the monitors 
manual/specifications, otherwise you can fry it.

With this info Xorg might be able to setup a usable resolution/refresh 
rate. The next step (if needed) would be to specify one ore more 
resolutions from which Xorg can choose (default will be the highest). If 
this is still not enough you'll need to generate a Modeline specific to 
your monitor.

Hope this is enough info to get you going. If you get stuck feel free to 
ask for more infos on list[1], but always attach full xorg.conf (or 
xorg.conf.d files) and the respective /var/log/Xorg.0.log.

[1] BTW, I do read the list, CC-ing me is not necessary ;)

Regards,
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Re: XORG.CONF or a solution without xorg.conf needed

[Camaleón]

On Tue, 31 May 2011 15:16:20 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

> This one didn't came through the list?
> 
>  Forwarded Message 
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> Subject: There was a problem with your email to debianHELP (XORG.CONF or
> a solution without xorg.conf needed)
> Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 08:56:16 -0400 (EDT)
> 
> The email you sent to debian-user@lists.debian.org was rejected because
> there
> was a validation error.

(...)

I think this is a known issue I commented a few days ago:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/05/msg02130.html

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Re: xorg.conf

[Brian]

On Fri 13 May 2011 at 23:18:26 +0800, lina wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> How can I get a copy (sample) of the xorg.conf for the fglrx driver?

http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary


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Re: xorg.conf

[godo]

On 2011-05-13 17:18, lina wrote:

Hi,

How can I get a copy (sample) of the xorg.conf for the fglrx driver?


Thanks ahead,


Hi,
you can look at $ man xorg.conf and here are examples 
http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary


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Re: xorg.conf -- nvidia to ati

[Andrei Popescu]

On Jo, 24 iun 10, 19:58:45, Greg Madden wrote:
> On Thursday 24 June 2010 18:38:19 Alan Ianson wrote:
> >
> > Any ideas on what I need to change?
> 
> You need the Radeon driver, not ATI.  There might be some related glx 
> package. 
> I use mesa-utils  to test , glxgears.

Also check 'dmesg' for any missing firmware messages.

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Re: xorg.conf -- nvidia to ati

[Camaleón]

On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 19:38:19 -0700, Alan Ianson wrote:

> My nvidia card bit the dust and I was given an "ATI Technologies Inc
> RV370 [Radeon X300SE]" as a loaner. It runs fine and everything looks
> good on the desktop, but when I run an app that requires 3D acceleration
> everything seems to run slowly.
> 
> I have been using a minimal xorg.conf that simply loads the nvidia
> driver and that worked well for the nvidia card. I changed "nvidia" to
> "ati" in xorg.conf and the desktop comes up OK but 3D acceleration
> doesn't seem to work.

AFAIK, "ati" is an unrecognized string at "xorg.conf", as Greg already 
pointed you.

nvidia → for nvidia 3D proprietary drivers
fglrx → for ati 3D proprietary drivers
nv → for nvidia 2D open drivers
radeon → for ati 3D open drivers
radeonhd → for ati 3D open drivers
 
> Any ideas on what I need to change?

http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo

:-)

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Re: xorg.conf -- nvidia to ati

[Alan Ianson]

On Thu, 2010-06-24 at 22:03 -0800, Greg Madden wrote:
> On Thursday 24 June 2010 21:27:40 Alan Ianson wrote:
> > On Thu, 2010-06-24 at 19:58 -0800, Greg Madden wrote:
> > > On Thursday 24 June 2010 18:38:19 Alan Ianson wrote:
> > > > Hi List!
> > > >
> > > > My nvidia card bit the dust and I was given an "ATI Technologies Inc
> > > > RV370 [Radeon X300SE]" as a loaner. It runs fine and everything looks
> > > > good on the desktop, but when I run an app that requires 3D
> > > > acceleration everything seems to run slowly.
> > > >
> > > > I have been using a minimal xorg.conf that simply loads the nvidia
> > > > driver and that worked well for the nvidia card. I changed "nvidia" to
> > > > "ati" in xorg.conf and the desktop comes up OK but 3D acceleration
> > > > doesn't seem to work.
> > > >
> > > > Any ideas on what I need to change?
> > >
> > > You need the Radeon driver, not ATI.  There might be some related glx
> > > package. I use mesa-utils  to test , glxgears.
> >
> > Thanks for the info, I changed it to radeon, still no 3D acceleration
> > though and glxgears gives me a segmentation fault.. maybe there is a bug
> > in radeon ATM, I'm not sure.
> 
> I like the suggestion of 'no xorg.conf'  file.  The /var/log/Xorg.0.log file 
> will help troubleshoot issues.

I have been using "ati" in xorg.conf because that is what I have been
using for the built in video port or else weird things happen, but I'll
try without with this card plugged in and see.

If I can't sort it I'll post the contents of /var/log/Xorg.0.log in a
day or two.

Thanks for the help.. :)


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Re: xorg.conf -- nvidia to ati

[Greg Madden]

On Thursday 24 June 2010 21:27:40 Alan Ianson wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-06-24 at 19:58 -0800, Greg Madden wrote:
> > On Thursday 24 June 2010 18:38:19 Alan Ianson wrote:
> > > Hi List!
> > >
> > > My nvidia card bit the dust and I was given an "ATI Technologies Inc
> > > RV370 [Radeon X300SE]" as a loaner. It runs fine and everything looks
> > > good on the desktop, but when I run an app that requires 3D
> > > acceleration everything seems to run slowly.
> > >
> > > I have been using a minimal xorg.conf that simply loads the nvidia
> > > driver and that worked well for the nvidia card. I changed "nvidia" to
> > > "ati" in xorg.conf and the desktop comes up OK but 3D acceleration
> > > doesn't seem to work.
> > >
> > > Any ideas on what I need to change?
> >
> > You need the Radeon driver, not ATI.  There might be some related glx
> > package. I use mesa-utils  to test , glxgears.
>
> Thanks for the info, I changed it to radeon, still no 3D acceleration
> though and glxgears gives me a segmentation fault.. maybe there is a bug
> in radeon ATM, I'm not sure.

I like the suggestion of 'no xorg.conf'  file.  The /var/log/Xorg.0.log file 
will help troubleshoot issues.

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Re: xorg.conf -- nvidia to ati

[Alan Ianson]

On Thu, 2010-06-24 at 19:58 -0800, Greg Madden wrote:
> On Thursday 24 June 2010 18:38:19 Alan Ianson wrote:
> > Hi List!
> >
> > My nvidia card bit the dust and I was given an "ATI Technologies Inc
> > RV370 [Radeon X300SE]" as a loaner. It runs fine and everything looks
> > good on the desktop, but when I run an app that requires 3D acceleration
> > everything seems to run slowly.
> >
> > I have been using a minimal xorg.conf that simply loads the nvidia
> > driver and that worked well for the nvidia card. I changed "nvidia" to
> > "ati" in xorg.conf and the desktop comes up OK but 3D acceleration
> > doesn't seem to work.
> >
> > Any ideas on what I need to change?
> 
> You need the Radeon driver, not ATI.  There might be some related glx 
> package. 
> I use mesa-utils  to test , glxgears.

Thanks for the info, I changed it to radeon, still no 3D acceleration
though and glxgears gives me a segmentation fault.. maybe there is a bug
in radeon ATM, I'm not sure.


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Re: xorg.conf -- nvidia to ati

[Mike Castle]

On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Alan Ianson  wrote:
> Any ideas on what I need to change?

I just switched to not using any xorg.conf at all, which I think is
the ``new'' recommendation.  I put new in quotes because I think I saw
someone at work the other day say something like ``You've not needed
one for five years,'' but I may not have had the context right.

So far so good, with two machines with different NVidia cards using
nouveau and one using radeon.

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Re: xorg.conf -- nvidia to ati

[Greg Madden]

On Thursday 24 June 2010 18:38:19 Alan Ianson wrote:
> Hi List!
>
> My nvidia card bit the dust and I was given an "ATI Technologies Inc
> RV370 [Radeon X300SE]" as a loaner. It runs fine and everything looks
> good on the desktop, but when I run an app that requires 3D acceleration
> everything seems to run slowly.
>
> I have been using a minimal xorg.conf that simply loads the nvidia
> driver and that worked well for the nvidia card. I changed "nvidia" to
> "ati" in xorg.conf and the desktop comes up OK but 3D acceleration
> doesn't seem to work.
>
> Any ideas on what I need to change?

You need the Radeon driver, not ATI.  There might be some related glx package. 
I use mesa-utils  to test , glxgears.

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Re: xorg.conf for nvidia binary drivers interfering with xorg.conf for vnc4server

[Mitchell Laks]

On 17:26 Tue 01 Jun , Camaleón wrote:
> I'm not sure. It could be that "vnc4server" just "erroneously" quits when 
> finds something it doesn't like in the the "xorg.conf" file.

indeed I did have those exact same messages in my log as well.

i can try this. I will be at work to try this tomorrow night...

Meanswhile another tack will be:

I will also try to use a /etc/vnc.conf
file  as described in the 

/usr/share/doc/vnc4server/examples/vnc.conf.gz

which can point to a file

# $XFConfigPath   can be set to the global XF86Config file. This will be
# parsed to gain default values for $fontPath and $colorPath.
# If you want to disable this feature, point it to an
# invalid file, "/foo" for example.
# $XFConfigPath = "/etc/X11/XF86Config-4";

which should also solve the problem as I mentioned.
i can point it at a null file
/etc/X11/xorg.conf.vnc4server which will be empty...
i will try this too...

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Re: xorg.conf for nvidia binary drivers interfering with xorg.conf for vnc4server

[Camaleón]

On Tue, 01 Jun 2010 12:30:28 -0400, Mitchell Laks wrote:

> On 11:20 Tue 01 Jun , Camaleón wrote:

>> I would look first at the origin of the failure, I mean, why
>> "vnc4server" cannot run with your current "xorg.conf" file. Logs will
>> tell.

(...)

> Note the following recent (yeterday) bug report on vnc4server
> 
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=583913
> 
> vnc4server: breaks if /etc/X11/xorg.conf generated by X -configure is
> present
> 
> this is exactly my problem.

Interesting... do you see the same error message?:

"Fatal server error:
could not open default font 'fixed'"

> Now he is being mislead (in my opinion) because he thinks that the
> random error message about some font is the cause, instead of being a
> regular feature of Xorg logs, that I have learned to ignore (at my
> peril?).

Mmmm, you can make a test. Just comment (#) those lines about font paths 
in your "xorg.conf" file *but* keep nvidia settings intact. Then, try to 
launch "vnc4server".
 
> The main error is as he stated
> vnc4server: breaks if /etc/X11/xorg.conf generated by X -configure is
> present not the rest of his bug report

I'm not sure. It could be that "vnc4server" just "erroneously" quits when 
finds something it doesn't like in the the "xorg.conf" file.

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Re: xorg.conf for nvidia binary drivers interfering with xorg.conf for vnc4server

[Mitchell Laks]

On 11:20 Tue 01 Jun , Camaleón wrote:
> It's weird that "vnc4server" cannot work with nvidia drivers. Maybe just 
> conflicts with a setting in the "xorg.conf" file and quits when you try 
> to run it.

Well, after all the vnc4server is not working off the physical video card is it?
it is displaying a virtual video image, so to speak, as there is no display :2 
or :3 on my
physical nvidia video card. It does not use the nvidia drivers __at all__!
Or am I misunderstanding the  situation with vnc4servers? this is not x11vnc 
which
uses the physical :0 display, it is vnc4server.

>  
> > So obviously the vnc4server is looking in the /etc/X11 directory for
> > xorg.conf because it is not finding it somewhere else. Where should I
> > put a (blank) xorg.conf for the purposes of the vnc4server?
> 
> I would look first at the origin of the failure, I mean, why "vnc4server" 
> cannot run with your current "xorg.conf" file. Logs will tell.


When I read my Xorg logs all I saw were remarks about not finding some fonts
which often occur but dont impair the display on the screen or in vcn.

The key here is that the vnc4server is using an xorg.conf that is set up for the
physical nvidia drivers with the dual display on 2 monitors using twinview.

now clearly my vnc4server is not 1) dual headed or 2) using the nvidia module.

For instance, if I simply move the xorg.conf into another location and create a
empty file (touch xorg.conf in /etc/X11/ ) then lo and behold the vnc4server 
starts
up fine. 

Q: Can one xorg.conf have configuration for the physical nvidia drivers and the
virtual vnc4server at the same time? what stanzas to set up for vnc4server in 
the same xorg.conf?

Now I can easily  set up init.d scripts to play the game of
removing the xorg.conf then starting vnc4server then reinstall xorg.conf
then start x  :) and be done with it
as I start up my vnc4servers once on bootup  and then use them later. 

However, I suspect that the vnc4server
is compiled with multiple locations to look for xorg.conf that have higher 
priority than
/etc/X11, as I am not the first person to use vnc4server and binary nvidia 
drivers
on the same machine.  

Note the following recent (yeterday) bug report on vnc4server

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=583913

vnc4server: breaks if /etc/X11/xorg.conf generated by X -configure is present

this is exactly my problem.

Now he is being mislead (in my opinion) because he thinks that the random
error message about some font is the cause, instead of being a regular
feature of Xorg logs, that I have learned to ignore (at my peril?).

The main error is as he stated 
vnc4server: breaks if /etc/X11/xorg.conf generated by X -configure is present
not the rest of his bug report

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Re: xorg.conf for nvidia binary drivers interfering with xorg.conf for vnc4server

[Camaleón]

On Mon, 31 May 2010 22:25:44 -0400, Mitchell Laks wrote:

> I recently set up binary nvidia drivers on my machine and set up the
> Xorg to use the twinhead setup.
> 
> Now when I run the vnc4server to set up a vnc instance to log in to my
> machine from another machine, the vnc4server does not start up. 

Can you see any output error coming from "vnc4server"? It should log to 
somewehere :-?

> If I move the xorg.conf file that is set up for the binary drivers 
>(nvidia kernel etc), and replace it with a null file then vnc4server
> starts up fine.

It's weird that "vnc4server" cannot work with nvidia drivers. Maybe just 
conflicts with a setting in the "xorg.conf" file and quits when you try 
to run it.
 
> So obviously the vnc4server is looking in the /etc/X11 directory for
> xorg.conf because it is not finding it somewhere else. Where should I
> put a (blank) xorg.conf for the purposes of the vnc4server?

I would look first at the origin of the failure, I mean, why "vnc4server" 
cannot run with your current "xorg.conf" file. Logs will tell.

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Re: xorg.conf for vesa

[Camaleón]

On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 14:45:51 -0800, peasthope wrote:

> The problem with X and the Intel 82815 Chipset Graphics Controller is
> expanding.  A mouse pointer is no longer visible.
> 
> Can anyone offer an xorg.conf which will ensure that the vesa driver is
> used rather than the current default driver.

You only need adding this section:

***
Section "Device"
Identifier  "Configured Video Device"
Driver  "vesa"
EndSection
***

And restart X.

Review the xorg log to reassure vesa driver is the one being loaded.

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Re: xorg.conf for xinerama SOLVED

[Bernd Kloss]

Am Sonntag, 3. Februar 2008 19:16 schrieb B_Kloss:
> Etch
> KDE 3.5.5
> Intel 945GM/GMS/940GML
> i810
> Dell Latitude D520
>
>
> Hello,
>
>  I am desperately trying to get the simultaneous video-output running for
> beamer (external) and local display (internal).
>
> I found some xorg.conf's on the net for dual-head or xinerama, but I could
> not get one working with my computer.
> In addition the Xorg.0.log also reports Bad V_BIOS checksum.
>
> Maybe there is somebody out there .
>
> Bernd

dual-head or xinerama is the wrong solution for that purpose.

i810switch is one tool, but not working properly with the 945GM. You only can 
use it once then a restart of the xserver is necessary.

I just changed the device-section as follows:

Section "Device"
Identifier  "Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GML Express 
Integrated Graphics Controller"
Driver  "i810"
BusID   "PCI:0:2:0"
Option  "AccelMethod"   "EXA"
Option  "clone" "true"
Option  "MonitorLayout" "CRT,LFP"

This produces a clone on the external VGA and is working fine.

Bernd


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Re: xorg.conf variance

[Mumia W..]

On 10/16/2007 03:37 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
In my xorg.conf file, the Section "files" is empty.  According to 
http://wiki.X.org/ under error faqs and under can't install default font 
"fixed" in no case should this happen including debian.  There's 
supposed to be FontPath lines in that section.  


No necessarily. Xorg in Lenny has the FontPaths embedded into the server.

I suppose that happens 
when xfs is no longer used but can't be sure.  I wish whoever does 
software testing on these packages would install xorg onto a desktop 
machine that never had it before and go through the steps to set 
xwindows up and see if they can get it to run.  Some of what me and 
Florian Kulzer found out then might be a little farther up on the bug 
fix radar.  Florian Kulzer was able to duplicate my problem with 
installing the SecurityPolicy file in /etc/X11/xserver too.  the option 
to force overwrites when doing a reinstall of software isn't honored by 
xserver-xorg-core or xfonts-base. Florian confirmed xserver-xorg-core 
for me but I found out about xfonts-base last night myself.  In fact 
what I suspect happened with xserver-xorg-core was that the 
SecurityPolicy file failed to install on initial installation for 
whatever reason.  I have contacts I can ask to do some research to see 
if they can replicate my results on another list and will request their 
assistance later.  What's needed are for users who have never installed 
any part of the xorg environment on their debian boxes to use tasksel 
and install the desktop environment and then try to get it working.  


For what Debian distribution?

The 
speakup mailing list has a few debian users who would qualify for this 
kind of research but likely debian-user does not.  I want to see if 
others who try this run into the same difficulties I have to date and if 
so, then pre-release software testing could use some improvements 
somewhere along the line.  I've been told by a professional sysadmin 
that X is very temperamental and he had lots of problems with it over on 
sgi machines too so I'm not entirely surprised these kind of failures 
happen over here. However, having to write this kind of email if it 
fails to produce improvements is what will preserve Microsoft's Windows 
market share for many generations to come since xwindows will be in no 
position to endanger that market share.






Microsoft's market share is secure for at least a generation regardless 
of what happens with Xorg.


Earlier this year, I installed Etch on two different machines, and I 
didn't run into the problems you describe. Are you talking about Lenny? 
As you probably know, Lenny is still in testing--a kind of two-year-long 
beta process; if the bugs you described are Lenny bugs, partly due to 
your and Florian's efforts, the bugs will have been discovered and fixed 
before Lenny is relabeled "stable."


Since I don't have a strong affinity for beta software, I use stable.


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Re: xorg.conf & multiple screen

[Tarek Soliman]

> >>I have a laptop with only VGA output (not s-video output), so in order 
> >>to connect my laptop to the LCD-TV I  made a VGA to  TV converter (VGA 
> >>to TV ). 
> >>My laptop have resolution of 1024x768, my external LCD monitor have also 
> >>resolution of 1024x768 and my VGA to TV converter have resolution of 
> >>600x480. My wish is sometimes use the VGA output for the LCD screen and 
> >>sometime for the LCD-TV.
> >>
> >>I have some doubt about the xorg.conf file:
> >> 1: I must define two Screens and put both in Server Layout section? 
> >>And then, the X server will identify alone which screen is connected ?
> >>
> >
> >In xorg.conf make 2 server layouts. One of the layouts uses the Monitor
> >and the other uses the TV. This means each layout is using one screen
> >only.
> >
> >Then instead of the regular startx, you can use
> >startx -- -layout whateveryoucalledit
> >
> >This is not very helpful, but it is a step.
> >
> >  
> And if I start the X (using startx) without given any layout, which 
> Screen will be used ??
> 

The first layout will be used.

SEE ALSO: man xorg.conf

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Re: xorg.conf & multiple screen

[Kevin Mark]

On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 10:26:54PM +0200, gustavo halperin wrote:
> 
> But Are you sure that can I use dual monitor when each one have different
> resolution and maybe different values for "HorizSync" and for "VertRefresh"?
My has 2 differnt resolutions and I joined them with xinerama.
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Re: xorg.conf & multiple screen

[gustavo halperin]

Tarek Soliman wrote:
I have a laptop with only VGA output (not s-video output), so in order 
to connect my laptop to the LCD-TV I  made a VGA to  TV converter (VGA 
to TV ). 
My laptop have resolution of 1024x768, my external LCD monitor have also 
resolution of 1024x768 and my VGA to TV converter have resolution of 
600x480. My wish is sometimes use the VGA output for the LCD screen and 
sometime for the LCD-TV.


I have some doubt about the xorg.conf file:
 1: I must define two Screens and put both in Server Layout section? 
And then, the X server will identify alone which screen is connected ?



In xorg.conf make 2 server layouts. One of the layouts uses the Monitor
and the other uses the TV. This means each layout is using one screen
only.

Then instead of the regular startx, you can use
startx -- -layout whateveryoucalledit

This is not very helpful, but it is a step.

  
And if I start the X (using startx) without given any layout, which 
Screen will be used ??


Thank you,
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Re: xorg.conf & multiple screen

[gustavo halperin]

Kevin Mark wrote:

  On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 01:17:17AM +0200, gustavo halperin wrote:
  
  
Hello

 I have a laptop with only VGA output (not s-video output), so in order to
connect my laptop to the LCD-TV I  made a VGA to  TV converter (VGA to TV). My
laptop have resolution of 1024x768, my external LCD monitor have also
resolution of 1024x768 and my VGA to TV converter have resolution of 600x480.
My wish is sometimes use the VGA output for the LCD screen and sometime for the
LCD-TV.

 I have some doubt about the xorg.conf file:
  1: I must define two Screens and put both in Server Layout section? And then,
the X server will identify alone which screen is connected ?
  2: The section monitor for the LCD-TV I defined in the next form:
 Section "Monitor"
  Identifier  "LCD Monitor"
  ModeLine "PALi"  14.16  704 756 828 976 552 556 589 629
+hsync +vsync interlace
 EndSection
  But I don't know if I have to define the values for "HorizSync" and for
"VertRefresh"? I also don't know this values for my LCD-TV. I just know that
the LCD-TV have resolution WXGA 1366x768 and the next System color PAL-N, PAL-M
/M and NTSC-M/M.

  
  I recently set up a dual monitor setup after I found a second ATI card
that had the same video driver. I used 'X -configure' to get a basic
xorg.conf setup and then edited from there. See if it helps.
-K
  

But Are you sure that can I use dual monitor when each one have
different resolution and maybe different values for "HorizSync" and for
"VertRefresh"?

 Gustavo




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Re: xorg.conf & multiple screen

[gustavo halperin]

Thank you,

So you say that I must restart the X server each time that I want see a
movies in the LCD-TV, I'm right?

 Gustavo

On 3/14/07, Tarek Soliman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> I have a laptop with only VGA output (not s-video output), so in order
> to connect my laptop to the LCD-TV I  made a VGA to  TV converter (VGA
> to TV ).
> My laptop have resolution of 1024x768, my external LCD monitor have also
> resolution of 1024x768 and my VGA to TV converter have resolution of
> 600x480. My wish is sometimes use the VGA output for the LCD screen and
> sometime for the LCD-TV.
>
> I have some doubt about the xorg.conf file:
>  1: I must define two Screens and put both in Server Layout section?
> And then, the X server will identify alone which screen is connected ?

In xorg.conf make 2 server layouts. One of the layouts uses the Monitor
and the other uses the TV. This means each layout is using one screen
only.

Then instead of the regular startx, you can use
startx -- -layout whateveryoucalledit

This is not very helpful, but it is a step.

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Re: xorg.conf & multiple screen

[Tarek Soliman]

> I have a laptop with only VGA output (not s-video output), so in order 
> to connect my laptop to the LCD-TV I  made a VGA to  TV converter (VGA 
> to TV ). 
> My laptop have resolution of 1024x768, my external LCD monitor have also 
> resolution of 1024x768 and my VGA to TV converter have resolution of 
> 600x480. My wish is sometimes use the VGA output for the LCD screen and 
> sometime for the LCD-TV.
> 
> I have some doubt about the xorg.conf file:
>  1: I must define two Screens and put both in Server Layout section? 
> And then, the X server will identify alone which screen is connected ?

In xorg.conf make 2 server layouts. One of the layouts uses the Monitor
and the other uses the TV. This means each layout is using one screen
only.

Then instead of the regular startx, you can use
startx -- -layout whateveryoucalledit

This is not very helpful, but it is a step.

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Re: xorg.conf & multiple screen

[Kevin Mark]

On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 01:17:17AM +0200, gustavo halperin wrote:
> Hello
> 
>  I have a laptop with only VGA output (not s-video output), so in order to
> connect my laptop to the LCD-TV I  made a VGA to  TV converter (VGA to TV). My
> laptop have resolution of 1024x768, my external LCD monitor have also
> resolution of 1024x768 and my VGA to TV converter have resolution of 600x480.
> My wish is sometimes use the VGA output for the LCD screen and sometime for 
> the
> LCD-TV.
> 
>  I have some doubt about the xorg.conf file:
>   1: I must define two Screens and put both in Server Layout section? And 
> then,
> the X server will identify alone which screen is connected ?
>   2: The section monitor for the LCD-TV I defined in the next form:
>  Section "Monitor"
>   Identifier  "LCD Monitor"
>   ModeLine "PALi"  14.16  704 756 828 976 552 556 589 629
> +hsync +vsync interlace
>  EndSection
>   But I don't know if I have to define the values for "HorizSync" and for
> "VertRefresh"? I also don't know this values for my LCD-TV. I just know that
> the LCD-TV have resolution WXGA 1366x768 and the next System color PAL-N, 
> PAL-M
> /M and NTSC-M/M.
I recently set up a dual monitor setup after I found a second ATI card
that had the same video driver. I used 'X -configure' to get a basic
xorg.conf setup and then edited from there. See if it helps.
-K
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Re: xorg.conf X & Y positions

[Thomas Adam]

--- Vijaya S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> hi ,
> Can any one tell me how to determine the X postion and Y postion for the
> Input devices for xorg.conf file
> I am using a pen for the tablet pc and the movemen of pen and pointer
> has lot of differnece.
> I tred with differnet ccombinations but stil gap is thre.

How is this Debian related? Debian is not using Xorg.

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