I agree with you, Britton. As I said in my follow up post, if you caught it: I
was being sarcastic to make a point (which apparently was very poorly done, as
it seems that it was pretty generally missed). I simply think that the things
that he is complaining about are really of no consequence at all to the *vast*
majority of Debian users. I feel that this is probably accurate as a relatively
small group of developers, David, and Paul (the one CD guy) are for the most
part the only people who have been posting to that thread, ,and the fact that
most of the user posts that I have seen have dealt with technical questions.
My point is that since this is not of any consequence to most Debian users
(other than CD burners and David), this thread is taking up WAY to much of this
mailing list. It is greatly diminishing the value of the lists to users such as
myself who look to the list primarily for answers to technical questions (my own
and other people's). This is the only *tangible* diminishing of value that I
have encountered with the Debian incorporation so far, and it is entirely a
result of the vehemence and frequency of David and Paul's arguments. This is
the wrong forum for those arguments, that's all.
Dave Neuer
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Subject: Re: Expelling David Cinege from the list
From:Britton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> at Internet
Date:8/22/97 3:19 PM
> >There was no good reason for a corp to be formed. I kept quite. There was no
> >good reason to put out an 'Official' cd (which hurt a lot of our CD-R guys),
> >and I kept quite. Now for the most pethtic reason, the entire version control
> ^ ^^^
> >system (and quality of product, both perceived and actual) is at stake. Now
I'm
> >ventting my shit with full force. I see where this is leading.
>
> serious pall over the whole movement. Can people really expect quality
software
> from people who can't even spell simple English words like "wield," "quiet,"
> "pathetic" and "venting?"
>
> Imagine the arguments from the Windows NT and commercial Unix vendors: "No
> wonder they insist on free software. They obviously didn't receive the type
of
> education that would allow them to get jobs which provided the income
neccessary
> to *purchase* software. Do you *really* want an operating system developed by
> people like *this* to control your mission-critical computing needs, Mr.
> Computer User?"
My guess is Englesh (heh) is this guys second language. Do you even know
ten words from any other than yours? Anyway, picking on spelling and poor
typing is pretty pathetic. Who cares if he mispells some of our more
screwy words? Not me, I do it too and I've got lots of other stuff to do
with my time than worry about spelling. If you want to take MS on with
perfect spelling, grammer, and pretty boxes, better think about hiring a
team of editors and graphic artists. I'm sure they have.
His points, for those who impatiently deleted the first two dozen
messages in this thread before becoming curious, were:
1. Incorporating Debian is bad.
I bet 99% of readers disagree with him, and his own opinion may by this
time have undergone mortification. There are several good reasons for
doing this. The two major reasons stem from our particular tax system and
legal trend, and he may not have been familliar with them.
2. Changing the version numbering is bad.
He's right about this. There was no reason to do it, and it looks like a
pacification move toward vendors that functions by decieving (or at least
misleading) end users. This is in direct conflict with Debian's official
policy of 'not hiding problems'. At least one CD vendor has already
agreed with him on this in this thread.
Britton
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