Re: S3, S3V, or XF86_SVGA server

2000-05-19 Thread kmself
...ok, so sometimes I let my email ripen a bit before sending it...

On Mon, May 15, 2000 at 12:26:37PM +1200, Bret Comstock Waldow wrote:
 Heather wrote:
  ...or whichever.  That is, if you insist on using the SVGA builtin instead
  of XF86_S3 or _S3V as applicable.
 
 Hi,
 
 I have a S3 Virge/MX chipset in my system, 

Is this a laptop or desktop?  I'm confused.

 so I happened to read through
 the XFree site about that recently.  In the section on the 3.3.6 server,
 on page: http://www.XFree.org/3.3.6/S3V1.html#1
 they say this:
 1. Supported hardware
 
 Since release 3.3.2 of XFree86, there are now two servers which support
 the ViRGE family of chips. The XF86_S3V server is a dedicated server
 which supports the S3 ViRGE (86C325), the ViRGE/DX (86C375), ViRGE/GX
 (86C385) and the ViRGE/VX (86C988) chips. Use of that server is no
 longer recommended. It is not actively being supported anymore.
 
 The above ViRGE chipsets are supported in the XF86_SVGA server, which
 includes a new ViRGE driver making use of the XAA acceleration
 architecture and also supports ViRGE/GX2 (86C357), ViRGE/MX (86C260),
 Trio3D (86C365), Trio3D/2X (86C362), Savage3D (86C391), Savage4
 (86C396/86C397) and Savage2000 chips as of 3.3.6.
 
 On that basis, it seems the XF86_SVGA server is the right one for the
 Savage chips, and it looks as though the XF86_S3V server is obsolete.

That's what the docs say.  YMMV.  My experience, with an S3 ViRGE/VX
chipset, was that the SVGA server was buggy -- I could fire of an X
session fine, but if I tried launching a second X session -- either
simultaneously or after closing the first, my system hung.  The fix was
to use the S3V X driver.  This is documented in a series of Usenet posts
I made at the time, starting here:

http://www.deja.com/=dnc/getdoc.xp?AN=455098082

...despite the usual preference for not carrying on conversations with
yourself, I've had several posts over the years from folks who were very
happy to find this information.

One even mentioned that with two systems, and two ViRGE cards, same
spec, from the same manufacturer, one worked with SVGA, the other
didn't.

Caveat emptor.

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Re: S3, S3V, or XF86_SVGA server

2000-05-15 Thread rink



 On that basis, it seems the XF86_SVGA server is the right one for the
 Savage chips, and it looks as though the XF86_S3V server is obsolete.
  

H, guess you're right on that. I was running a Savage4-based card in
my system some weeks ago, and it only worked well with the SVGA server. We
also tried that on a laptop system with Savage4 onboard and had severe
problems there both running XF 3.3.6 or one of the S4-modified servers (as
XF86_S3SAV by Creative which happens to be a patched XF3.3.3-SVGA-server)
and, finally, got the machine working fine there with framebuffer support
and the Framebuffer-X-Server... :))

Regards,
Kris



RE: S3, S3V, or XF86_SVGA server

2000-05-15 Thread Andrew McRobert
I'd be interested in any variants of the XF86_SVGA server for Savage cards
that you've got ... X Windows is saying that I'm running a unrecognised S3
chipset ... then defaults to VGA server @ 640x480 

Andrew

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 On that basis, it seems the XF86_SVGA server is the right one for the
 Savage chips, and it looks as though the XF86_S3V server is obsolete.


H, guess you're right on that. I was running a Savage4-based card in
my system some weeks ago, and it only worked well with the SVGA server. We
also tried that on a laptop system with Savage4 onboard and had severe
problems there both running XF 3.3.6 or one of the S4-modified servers (as
XF86_S3SAV by Creative which happens to be a patched XF3.3.3-SVGA-server)
and, finally, got the machine working fine there with framebuffer support
and the Framebuffer-X-Server... :))

Regards,
Kris



RE: S3, S3V, or XF86_SVGA server

2000-05-15 Thread rink


On Mon, 15 May 2000, Andrew McRobert wrote:

 I'd be interested in any variants of the XF86_SVGA server for Savage cards
 that you've got ... X Windows is saying that I'm running a unrecognised S3
 chipset ... then defaults to VGA server @ 640x480 
 
 Andrew
 
Hello again,

Personally, the first server I got my Savage card running with was the
XF86_S3SAV which can be found at 

http://developer.creative.com/linux ,

filename is XF86_Savage4-1.0.tar.gz. This one's listed there as server
for the Creative 3D Blaster which also has a Savage4 chipset on it, but,
actually, my Diamond Stealth III worked fine with it. If that doesn't
work, you'll find some other Savage-server at

http://www.s3planet.force9.co.uk/sections/files/drivers/x/

...where the current version was posted on May 12. Guess it's the latest
Savage driver update I've known so far, especially since there aren't any
XF4.0 driver files at the moment... : 
Hope this helps... If not, would you mind posting me something like a cat
/proc/pci or at least the part from there where there's information about
your display adapter? Has several Savage chipsets right now, and some are
(at least to me) known to be a little difficult to handle even though
they're listed as supported in the XF86 driver list...

Okay Bye, have a nice day. :)

Kris



S3, S3V, or XF86_SVGA server

2000-05-14 Thread Bret Comstock Waldow
Heather wrote:
 ...or whichever.  That is, if you insist on using the SVGA builtin instead
 of XF86_S3 or _S3V as applicable.

Hi,

I have a S3 Virge/MX chipset in my system, so I happened to read through
the XFree site about that recently.  In the section on the 3.3.6 server,
on page: http://www.XFree.org/3.3.6/S3V1.html#1
they say this:
1. Supported hardware

Since release 3.3.2 of XFree86, there are now two servers which support
the ViRGE family of chips. The XF86_S3V server is a dedicated server
which supports the S3 ViRGE (86C325), the ViRGE/DX (86C375), ViRGE/GX
(86C385) and the ViRGE/VX (86C988) chips. Use of that server is no
longer recommended. It is not actively being supported anymore.

The above ViRGE chipsets are supported in the XF86_SVGA server, which
includes a new ViRGE driver making use of the XAA acceleration
architecture and also supports ViRGE/GX2 (86C357), ViRGE/MX (86C260),
Trio3D (86C365), Trio3D/2X (86C362), Savage3D (86C391), Savage4
(86C396/86C397) and Savage2000 chips as of 3.3.6.

On that basis, it seems the XF86_SVGA server is the right one for the
Savage chips, and it looks as though the XF86_S3V server is obsolete.

regards,
Bret



StarOffice and S3V - solved!

1999-04-09 Thread Tadeusz Bak

Hi,

Like several other persons I experienced a problem of crashing XWindows
while trying to run StarOffice (yes, I have S3ViRGE card). By using
the SVGA server I could solve the problem but unfortunately Netscape
icons looks funny at 24bpp. Recently I noticed that VMWare has a couple of
optimized xservers (http://www.vmware.com/support/xfree86.html). I
downloaded s3v, changed the first line in /etc/X11/Xserver and everything
works as expected now. StarOffice doesn't hang up and Netscape looks
great. I hope someone will find this information useful.

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xserver-s3v package

1998-12-26 Thread Wakko Warner
--quote--
Description: X server for S3 ViRGE and ViRGE/VX-based graphics cards
 This package provides an X server suitable for use with video cards based
 on the S3 ViRGE chipset. In most cases, use of this X server is deprecated
 in favor of the SVGA X server.
--quote--

Is there a reason use of this package is deprecated?  What can the svga x
server package do that this one can't?


Re: xserver-s3v package

1998-12-26 Thread Ed Cogburn
Wakko Warner wrote:
 
 --quote--
 Description: X server for S3 ViRGE and ViRGE/VX-based graphics cards
  This package provides an X server suitable for use with video cards based
  on the S3 ViRGE chipset. In most cases, use of this X server is deprecated
  in favor of the SVGA X server.
 --quote--
 
 Is there a reason use of this package is deprecated?  What can the svga x
 server package do that this one can't?
 


I'll give this a shot, but its been a long time since I read this
(somewhere).  Xfree has what they call the XAA, X acceleration architecture. 
XAA is in the SVGA xserver.  This code provides a generic API for accelerating
different video cards.  Xfree will at some point in the future attempt to
provide one xserver (SVGA?) for many of the cards that currently have their
own xserver (like S3), i.e. several of the specific video card xservers will
go away eventually.  Try digging in /etc/doc/xserver-s3 (whatever) and find
the README.* there.  It might have the explanation.  I can't remember where I
read this.


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AVISO: server s3v e instalación StarOffice

1998-12-12 Thread Miguel Gil

Este mensaje, no es una pregunta, si no un aviso para quien
en la misma situación en la que me encontré yo, no soporte
los mismos problemas.


Por fin me decido a instalar el StarOffice y cuando termino
de bajarlo, lo instalo y me encuentro con problemas:

Ejecuto el fichero setup desde las xwindows y se me cuelgan
casi nada mas empezar.

Intento de todo para arreglarlo y nada, así que desesperado
decido cambiar de servidor de las x-windows, pues he oido 
que el que yo uso tiene algunos bugs y además ya no esta soportado
oficialmente, es el s3v (para las s3 virge).

Elijo el SVGA, pues dicen que ahora tiene soporte para las
s3 virge.

¡Vaya! Ahora si que puedo instalar el StarOffice.

En resumen, si tienes una s3 virge y quieres instalar
StarOffice, no uses el servidor s3v, USA EL SVGA.

Algunos datos:
Distribución Linux: Debian 2.0
Versión StarOffice: StarOffice 5.0 personal edition obtenida
por download desde ftp://ftp.unex.es/pub/linux/StarOffice
Versión Xfree: 3.3.2
Tarjeta Video: S3 Virge (El apellido ya no lo se, pero ni es
de las primeras que salieron, ni es de las últimas)

Espero que le sirva a alguien.

Hasta otra...

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Re: Diamond 3D 2000 with S3V to display 24 bit color

1998-09-29 Thread Noah L. Meyerhans
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On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, Paul M. Foster wrote:

  I have a Diamond 3D 2000 video card. The chip is S3 Virge. The
  memory of the videocard is 4 meg. 
  
 I have an identical setup, and am running the XF86_SVGA server with 32 bit
 color. I had some difficulty getting this set up, but it runs fine now. I
 used XF86Setup to tweak everything, and then when I was done there was a
 little program (can't remember the name) which allowed you to adjust the
 image on the monitor (left, right, up, down, etc.)

According to /usr/doc/X11/README.S3V:

o 32bpp is limited to a width of  1024 pixels.  (1024x768 is not possible,
  even if you have the memory.)  This is a hardware limit of ViRGE chips.
 
Are you running at a lower resolution, or are the docs out of date?  I
have a Stealth 3D 2000 (4MB), and I was never able to get it to run in
1024x768/32bpp, and I assumed based on the docs that I wouldn't be able
to.  When I tried running X in this configuration, I got an error
message that seemed to confirm the problem that was mentioned in the 
docs.  Please email me the appropriate sections of you XF86Config, if
you could, so I could try getting 32bpp working on my system.  Thanks in
advance.

BTW, the program you mention is named xvidtune.

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Diamond 3D 2000 with S3V to display 24 bit color

1998-09-28 Thread Shao Ying Zhang
Hi all,
I have a Diamond 3D 2000 video card. The chip is S3 Virge. The
memory of the videocard is 4 meg. 

With this configuration, I cannot display 24bit color under XF86.
I am pretty sure that my hardware is capable of doing that, as I can do it
under NT.

When I switch the default color depth to 24bit in XF86Config, my
monitor started blinking

Could anyone help me please...


Regards,




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Re: Diamond 3D 2000 with S3V to display 24 bit color

1998-09-28 Thread Paul M. Foster


On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, Shao Ying Zhang wrote:

 Hi all,
   I have a Diamond 3D 2000 video card. The chip is S3 Virge. The
 memory of the videocard is 4 meg. 
 
   With this configuration, I cannot display 24bit color under XF86.
 I am pretty sure that my hardware is capable of doing that, as I can do it
 under NT.
 
   When I switch the default color depth to 24bit in XF86Config, my
 monitor started blinking
 
   Could anyone help me please...

I have an identical setup, and am running the XF86_SVGA server with 32 bit
color. I had some difficulty getting this set up, but it runs fine now. I
used XF86Setup to tweak everything, and then when I was done there was a
little program (can't remember the name) which allowed you to adjust the
image on the monitor (left, right, up, down, etc.)

If this isn't sufficient, give me more information, and/or I can send you
copies of my setup files, etc.

Paul M. Foster



S3Virge video card: SVGA or S3V xserver?

1997-11-18 Thread Ronan LEBREF - STAGIAIRE A FT.BD/CNET/DTD/EST
I'm a newbye in Linux and I just installed XFree86 from the last debian 
distribution. I choose to use the SVGA xserver for my S3Virge video card. 
Everything works fine but I'm just wondering something I didn't understood in 
the docs. What are the main differences between the SVGA and S3V xserver for 
this video card? What would be the best to be installed?

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Re: S3Virge video card: SVGA or S3V xserver?

1997-11-18 Thread Will Lowe
On Tue, 18 Nov 1997, Ronan LEBREF - STAGIAIRE A FT.BD/CNET/DTD/EST wrote:

 distribution. I choose to use the SVGA xserver for my S3Virge video card. 
 Everything works fine but I'm just wondering something I didn't understood in 
 the docs. What are the main differences between the SVGA and S3V xserver for 
 this video card? What would be the best to be installed?

They're figuring that the SVGA driver will eventually replace S3V.  For
right now,  it's recommended that you use whichever one seems to work
better.  I've found that SVGA is a little faster with my Diamond 3D 3000,
but sometimes crashes if I try to startx again after exiting,  so I've
learned to run xdm/kdm...

Will


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S3 versus S3V

1997-11-05 Thread Jan
Hello,

This is my problem:

When I try to start xwindows( for the very first time) I get

exec of /usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_S3V failed

OK, not a problem. My server is XF86_S3.

Now, I read this in a help section

  Setting up the correct default server

The default server name is usr/X11R6/bin/X. This is a link to a
specific server binary XF86_xxx, located in /usr/X11R6/bin. You should
check which server the X link is connected to. If it is not correct,
remove it and make a new link to use the correct binary

Well that sounds good to meHow do I do that?


Also I read about linking the file /usr/X11R6/bin/X to the server I am
using but that doesn't seem to work. I type ln --sf
/usr/X11R6/bin/Xf86_S3 /usr/X11R6/bin/X

But Nothing works

What to Do?



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Re: S3 versus S3V

1997-11-05 Thread Ben Pfaff
Jan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Also I read about linking the file /usr/X11R6/bin/X to the server I am
 using but that doesn't seem to work. I type ln --sf
 /usr/X11R6/bin/Xf86_S3 /usr/X11R6/bin/X

You probably want the command

ln -sf /usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_S3 /usr/X11R6/bin/X

instead.  Note capitalization of `f', number of dashes.
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Re: S3 versus S3V

1997-11-05 Thread Philippe Troin

On 04 Nov 1997 23:56:23 EST Ben Pfaff ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

 Jan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  Also I read about linking the file /usr/X11R6/bin/X to the server I am
  using but that doesn't seem to work. I type ln --sf
  /usr/X11R6/bin/Xf86_S3 /usr/X11R6/bin/X
 
 You probably want the command
 
   ln -sf /usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_S3 /usr/X11R6/bin/X
 
 instead.  Note capitalization of `f', number of dashes.

...but you probably don't want to do that either.
/usr/X11R6/bin/X is a wrapper for debian which calls the correct X server.
The correct X server is stored in the first line of /etc/X11/Xserver.
The wrapper is setuid root and will open the privileged resources and then drop 
privileges before exec()ing the real X server.

The doc you read is for the standard XFree86 release and should be fixed (you 
might want to open a bug for that matter).

If you already did the symbolic link (and removed the wrapper), just reinstall 
xbase.

Phil.



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Re: S3 versus S3V

1997-11-05 Thread Carey Evans
Jan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 exec of /usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_S3V failed
 
 OK, not a problem. My server is XF86_S3.
 
 Now, I read this in a help section
 
   Setting up the correct default server

Debian doesn't set up the X server this way.  Try reinstalling the X
server (maybe xbase first), or just running
/var/lib/dpkg/info/xserver-s3.postinst, or editing /etc/X11/Xserver.

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Re: S3 versus S3V

1997-11-05 Thread Daniel Martin
On Wed, 5 Nov 1997, Philippe Troin wrote:

 
 On 04 Nov 1997 23:56:23 EST Ben Pfaff ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 
  Jan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
   Also I read about linking the file /usr/X11R6/bin/X to the server I am
   using but that doesn't seem to work. I type ln --sf
   /usr/X11R6/bin/Xf86_S3 /usr/X11R6/bin/X
  
  You probably want the command
  
  ln -sf /usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_S3 /usr/X11R6/bin/X
  
  instead.  Note capitalization of `f', number of dashes.
 
 ...but you probably don't want to do that either.
 /usr/X11R6/bin/X is a wrapper for debian which calls the correct X server.
 The correct X server is stored in the first line of /etc/X11/Xserver.
 The wrapper is setuid root and will open the privileged resources and then 
 drop privileges before exec()ing the real X server.
 
 The doc you read is for the standard XFree86 release and should be fixed (you 
 might want to open a bug for that matter).
 
 If you already did the symbolic link (and removed the wrapper), just 
 reinstall xbase.
 

And after you do that, check carefully the file /etc/X11/Xserver to make
certain that the top line is what it should be, which is really where your
problem probably is.

On a more general note, I find this problem often of Debian being
different from the rest of the world and the documentation not necessarily
reflecting that.  The only solution I've found is to constantly read the
/usr/doc/*/README.debian files each time I install a new package (this
isn't actually that much of a burden, as they're usually pretty short).

Is there somewhere a list of differences (in at least some Debian
pacckages) between the Debian way of doing things and the way documented
in HOWTOs, etc.?


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Re: Xfree86-3.3 and S3V

1997-07-21 Thread Joost Kooij


On Thu, 17 Jul 1997, Bob Clark wrote:

 A couple of months ago I convinced a friend
 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) to change over from slackware to debian;
 and in turn convinced some other people to do the same.  He
 was impressed (as I knew he would be) with debian until...
 he upgraded to Xfree-3.3, now X no longer works.  He's got
 an S3V card and I remember seeing other posts to this list
 about similar problems.  The archives at ftp.debian.org
 don't have July postings yet and I didn't find anything in
 the June archive.
 
 Would someone be so kind as to post (re-post?) some possible
 solutions.  I thought a downgrade to 3.2 would do the trick
 but it seems the 3.2 pakages are gone.  

I have an S3Virge card and have XFree86 3.3 working fine, now.

Two things to try:

- Use the new svga server instead of the s3v server. 
It works much better for me.
- Give the existing XF86Config another name and rerun xf86setup.

If it still doesn't work, look at the output of the xserver on the
console and repost if there is something unusual in it.


Joost



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Re: Xfree86-3.3 and S3V

1997-07-21 Thread KillMadDog
In a message dated 97-07-21 17:29:27 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 A couple of months ago I convinced a friend
 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) to change over from slackware to debian;
 and in turn convinced some other people to do the same.  He
 was impressed (as I knew he would be) with debian until...
 he upgraded to Xfree-3.3, now X no longer works.  He's got
 an S3V card and I remember seeing other posts to this list
 about similar problems.  The archives at ftp.debian.org
 don't have July postings yet and I didn't find anything in
 the June archive.
 
 Would someone be so kind as to post (re-post?) some possible
 solutions.  I thought a downgrade to 3.2 would do the trick
 but it seems the 3.2 pakages are gone.  

I have an S3Virge card and have XFree86 3.3 working fine, now.

Two things to try:

- Use the new svga server instead of the s3v server. 
It works much better for me.
- Give the existing XF86Config another name and rerun xf86setup.

If it still doesn't work, look at the output of the xserver on the
console and repost if there is something unusual in it.


Joost



I agree, the svga server is much better with the Virge chipset then the s3v
server.
I just bought a video card with the virge chipset, I haven't had a chance to
try it on my own system yet.  (I can't get debian Linux to read from my @#$%
CD-ROM)


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Re: Xfree86-3.3 and S3V

1997-07-18 Thread Christopher Jason Morrone
On Thu, 17 Jul 1997, Bob Clark wrote:

[cut]
 Would someone be so kind as to post (re-post?) some possible
 solutions.  I thought a downgrade to 3.2 would do the trick
 but it seems the 3.2 pakages are gone.  

They're there, I just downgraded myself.  Look in rex-fixed or something
like that.


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Re: Xfree86-3.3 and S3V

1997-07-18 Thread Johnny Stevenson
Bob Clark wrote:
 
 A couple of months ago I convinced a friend
 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) to change over from slackware to debian;
 and in turn convinced some other people to do the same.  He
 was impressed (as I knew he would be) with debian until...
 he upgraded to Xfree-3.3, now X no longer works.  He's got
 an S3V card and I remember seeing other posts to this list
 about similar problems.  The archives at ftp.debian.org
 don't have July postings yet and I didn't find anything in
 the June archive.
 
 Would someone be so kind as to post (re-post?) some possible
 solutions.  I thought a downgrade to 3.2 would do the trick
 but it seems the 3.2 pakages are gone.

Try redoing 'xf86config'. I have an s3 (#9 771) card and X did not work
first time for me.  All I did was go through xf86config and save it as
normal and it worked.  Seems to go a bit faster as well, maybe the
definitions of the card(s) have been improved ??

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Xfree86-3.3 and S3V

1997-07-17 Thread Bob Clark
A couple of months ago I convinced a friend
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) to change over from slackware to debian;
and in turn convinced some other people to do the same.  He
was impressed (as I knew he would be) with debian until...
he upgraded to Xfree-3.3, now X no longer works.  He's got
an S3V card and I remember seeing other posts to this list
about similar problems.  The archives at ftp.debian.org
don't have July postings yet and I didn't find anything in
the June archive.

Would someone be so kind as to post (re-post?) some possible
solutions.  I thought a downgrade to 3.2 would do the trick
but it seems the 3.2 pakages are gone.  

Thanks,
--Bob


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S3V

1997-01-11 Thread Michael Gajhede
Help would be appreaciated 
I am running debian 1.2 on a box with a S3 Virge card 4 mb.
Runs fine with 8 bitplanes at 1280x1024, but how do I get 16 bitplanes ?
Michael
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Re: S3V

1997-01-11 Thread Martin Konold
On Sat, 11 Jan 1997, Michael Gajhede wrote:

Dear Michael,

 Help would be appreaciated 
 I am running debian 1.2 on a box with a S3 Virge card 4 mb.
 Runs fine with 8 bitplanes at 1280x1024, but how do I get 16 bitplanes ?

The support of the S3 Virge Chip is very new. I am not shure wether 16
aka hicolor is already supported in case it is please start your Xsession 
with 'startx -- -bpp 16' from your text console

Yours,
-- martin

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