Re: shutting off screen blanker forever?

2015-07-17 Thread Brian
On Thu 16 Jul 2015 at 17:10:08 -0600, D. R. Evans wrote:

 If the blanking is caused by a screensaver application under the control of
 your desktop environment, that should work (I guess).
 
 But if it's caused by either DPMS being invoked, or X blanking the monitor,
 then you'll need to explicitly change the behaviour by editing an xorg.conf
 file if you really want to eliminate the blanking.
 
 I happened to write up exactly how I did this earlier today:
 
 http://drevans.blog.enginehousebooks.com/2015/07/preventing-dpms-operation-in-x-in.html

The method you describe on that page is fine as far as it goes but
someone without root access will not benefit from it. Many things
in X can be configured from a user account; why not use a .xsession
or ,xsessionrc file with xset commands in it?


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Re: shutting off screen blanker forever?

2015-07-17 Thread Gene Heskett


On Friday 17 July 2015 06:21:48 Petter Adsen wrote:
 On Thu, 16 Jul 2015 14:17:13 -0400

 Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote:
  My atom boxes are using xfce I think.  And I have studied up on
  xset, and tried every combo that even looks suspicious in an effort
  to kill the screen blanker once and for all.  But I can't even do it
  for 10 minutes in a row.
 
  So obviously the solution is not an xset command in the startup.
 
  Does anyone have a better, it even works, suggestion?

 Xfce uses the built-in power manager to blank the screen, you can
 adjust it in Settings - Power Manager - Display.

 Petter

I'll give tht a shot too.  Thanks Petter.

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Re: shutting off screen blanker forever?

2015-07-17 Thread Petter Adsen
On Thu, 16 Jul 2015 14:17:13 -0400
Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote:

 My atom boxes are using xfce I think.  And I have studied up on xset, and 
 tried every combo that even looks suspicious in an effort to kill the 
 screen blanker once and for all.  But I can't even do it for 10 minutes 
 in a row.
 
 So obviously the solution is not an xset command in the startup.
 
 Does anyone have a better, it even works, suggestion?

Xfce uses the built-in power manager to blank the screen, you can
adjust it in Settings - Power Manager - Display.

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Re: shutting off screen blanker forever?

2015-07-17 Thread Stephen Powell
On Thu, 16 Jul 2015 14:17:13 -0400 (EDT), Gene Heskett wrote:
 
 My atom boxes are using xfce I think.  And I have studied up on xset, and 
 tried every combo that even looks suspicious in an effort to kill the 
 screen blanker once and for all.  But I can't even do it for 10 minutes 
 in a row.
 
 So obviously the solution is not an xset command in the startup.
 
 Does anyone have a better, it even works, suggestion?

I tried this on my machine, which uses XFCE, and it worked for me:

Applications - Settings - Screensaver
Single left click on the box labeled Mode:.  Single left click on
Disable Screen Saver in the drop-down box.  Close the window.

For a text console, edit /etc/kbd/config and change BLANK_TIME to 0.
This requires root privileges to edit the file and a reboot
is necessary for it to take effect.

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shutting off screen blanker forever?

2015-07-16 Thread Gene Heskett
My atom boxes are using xfce I think.  And I have studied up on xset, and 
tried every combo that even looks suspicious in an effort to kill the 
screen blanker once and for all.  But I can't even do it for 10 minutes 
in a row.

So obviously the solution is not an xset command in the startup.

Does anyone have a better, it even works, suggestion?

Thank you.

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Re: shutting off screen blanker forever?

2015-07-16 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 16 July 2015 14:35:04 Brian wrote:
 On Thu 16 Jul 2015 at 14:17:13 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
  My atom boxes are using xfce I think.  And I have studied up on
  xset, and tried every combo that even looks suspicious in an effort
  to kill the screen blanker once and for all.  But I can't even do it
  for 10 minutes in a row.
 
  So obviously the solution is not an xset command in the startup.
 
  Does anyone have a better, it even works, suggestion?

 I have

   xset -dpms
   xset s off
   xset s no blank

 in my .xsession. That's using spectrwm as the window manager. Of
 course .xsession has to be read when X starts. The screen never blanks
 with these lines.

None of the machines I need to do that to have an ~/.xsession file.  
~/.xsession-error's yes.


Thanks Brian.

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Re: shutting off screen blanker forever?

2015-07-16 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 16 July 2015 16:25:29 Mike Castle wrote:
 For xfce, you might try this:

 Settings Manager  Session and Startup  Application Autostart
 Scroll down and uncheck Screensaver.

Hadn't thought of that, thanks. I did set it by unchecking all the 
blankers and setting the times north of 10 hours, which if that works, 
is tolerable for the application.

 There may be additional things you need to do to make sure session
 stuff isn't loading screensavers through some other mechanism (i.e,
 squirreled away in a saved session or something).  For that you might
 need to explicitly exit the screensaver (either through Settings
 Manager  Screensaver or a command line like xscreensaver-command
 -exit)

 And you likely need the xset stuff you already did on top of that.

 Of course, all of that is assuming you are using xscreensaver.

 ps -ef | grep screensave

 might be useful if the above doesn't work out for you.

 mrc

 PS: I dropped emc-users.  I think the netiquette these days is to NOT
 post to multiple email groups, as it is likely a respondent isn't
 subscribed to all of them.

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Re: shutting off screen blanker forever?

2015-07-16 Thread Brian
On Thu 16 Jul 2015 at 14:17:13 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:

 My atom boxes are using xfce I think.  And I have studied up on xset, and 
 tried every combo that even looks suspicious in an effort to kill the 
 screen blanker once and for all.  But I can't even do it for 10 minutes 
 in a row.
 
 So obviously the solution is not an xset command in the startup.
 
 Does anyone have a better, it even works, suggestion?

I have

  xset -dpms
  xset s off
  xset s no blank

in my .xsession. That's using spectrwm as the window manager. Of course
.xsession has to be read when X starts. The screen never blanks with
these lines.


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Re: shutting off screen blanker forever?

2015-07-16 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 16 July 2015 21:25:29 Mike Castle wrote:
 might be useful if the above doesn't work out for you.

for a session, however long it be, though not permanently:

$ xset -dpms enter

Or you may have to do:

# xset -dpms enter

That works until  you next reboot.

In my experience turning the screensaver off doesn't seem to work - it seems 
to be something else.

But I shall immediately try Brian's recipe myself!

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Re: shutting off screen blanker forever?

2015-07-16 Thread Mike Castle
For xfce, you might try this:

Settings Manager  Session and Startup  Application Autostart
Scroll down and uncheck Screensaver.

There may be additional things you need to do to make sure session stuff
isn't loading screensavers through some other mechanism (i.e, squirreled
away in a saved session or something).  For that you might need to
explicitly exit the screensaver (either through Settings Manager 
Screensaver or a command line like xscreensaver-command -exit)

And you likely need the xset stuff you already did on top of that.

Of course, all of that is assuming you are using xscreensaver.

ps -ef | grep screensave

might be useful if the above doesn't work out for you.

mrc

PS: I dropped emc-users.  I think the netiquette these days is to NOT post
to multiple email groups, as it is likely a respondent isn't subscribed to
all of them.


Re: shutting off screen blanker forever?

2015-07-16 Thread Brian
On Thu 16 Jul 2015 at 15:53:39 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:

 On Thursday 16 July 2015 14:35:04 Brian wrote:
  On Thu 16 Jul 2015 at 14:17:13 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
   My atom boxes are using xfce I think.  And I have studied up on
   xset, and tried every combo that even looks suspicious in an effort
   to kill the screen blanker once and for all.  But I can't even do it
   for 10 minutes in a row.
  
   So obviously the solution is not an xset command in the startup.
  
   Does anyone have a better, it even works, suggestion?
 
  I have
 
xset -dpms
xset s off
xset s no blank
 
  in my .xsession. That's using spectrwm as the window manager. Of
  course .xsession has to be read when X starts. The screen never blanks
  with these lines.
 
 None of the machines I need to do that to have an ~/.xsession file.  
 ~/.xsession-error's yes.

Guess what?

1. You don't need a .xsession file to try out the commands.

2. You can create a .xsession file of your very own to put on the
   machines.


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Re: shutting off screen blanker forever?

2015-07-16 Thread D. R. Evans
Gene Heskett wrote on 07/16/2015 02:31 PM:
 On Thursday 16 July 2015 16:25:29 Mike Castle wrote:
 For xfce, you might try this:

 Settings Manager  Session and Startup  Application Autostart
 Scroll down and uncheck Screensaver.
 
 Hadn't thought of that, thanks. I did set it by unchecking all the 
 blankers and setting the times north of 10 hours, which if that works, 
 is tolerable for the application.

If the blanking is caused by a screensaver application under the control of
your desktop environment, that should work (I guess).

But if it's caused by either DPMS being invoked, or X blanking the monitor,
then you'll need to explicitly change the behaviour by editing an xorg.conf
file if you really want to eliminate the blanking.

I happened to write up exactly how I did this earlier today:

http://drevans.blog.enginehousebooks.com/2015/07/preventing-dpms-operation-in-x-in.html

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Re: shutting off screen blanker forever?

2015-07-16 Thread Haines Brown
On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 05:10:08PM -0600, D. R. Evans wrote:
 Gene Heskett wrote on 07/16/2015 02:31 PM:
  On Thursday 16 July 2015 16:25:29 Mike Castle wrote:
  For xfce, you might try this:
 
  Settings Manager  Session and Startup  Application Autostart
  Scroll down and uncheck Screensaver.
  
  Hadn't thought of that, thanks. I did set it by unchecking all the 
  blankers and setting the times north of 10 hours, which if that works, 
  is tolerable for the application.
 
 If the blanking is caused by a screensaver application under the control of
 your desktop environment, that should work (I guess).
 
 But if it's caused by either DPMS being invoked, or X blanking the monitor,
 then you'll need to explicitly change the behaviour by editing an xorg.conf
 file if you really want to eliminate the blanking.

I wonder. I've no desktop environment and easily control blanking simply
with these two lines in my window manager, ~/.fluxbox/startup:

 xset s off
 xset -dpms



 
 I happened to write up exactly how I did this earlier today:
 
 http://drevans.blog.enginehousebooks.com/2015/07/preventing-dpms-operation-in-x-in.html
 
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Re: shutting off screen blanker forever?

2015-07-16 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 16 July 2015 19:10:08 D. R. Evans wrote:
 Gene Heskett wrote on 07/16/2015 02:31 PM:
  On Thursday 16 July 2015 16:25:29 Mike Castle wrote:
  For xfce, you might try this:
 
  Settings Manager  Session and Startup  Application Autostart
  Scroll down and uncheck Screensaver.
 
  Hadn't thought of that, thanks. I did set it by unchecking all the
  blankers and setting the times north of 10 hours, which if that
  works, is tolerable for the application.

 If the blanking is caused by a screensaver application under the
 control of your desktop environment, that should work (I guess).

 But if it's caused by either DPMS being invoked, or X blanking the
 monitor, then you'll need to explicitly change the behaviour by
 editing an xorg.conf file if you really want to eliminate the
 blanking.

 I happened to write up exactly how I did this earlier today:

 http://drevans.blog.enginehousebooks.com/2015/07/preventing-dpms-opera
tion-in-x-in.html

   Doc

Thanks, I have at leasr 3 machines I need to do that to.

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Re: Screen blanker Mouse

2008-11-26 Thread lee
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 12:49:57PM -0800, Kelly Clowers wrote:
 
 Personally, I trust xscreensaver a lot more than the KDE or Gnome
 screensavers.
 
 http://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/faq.html#kde
 http://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/toolkits.html

How do you know for sure if the screen saver stops to show graphics
when DPMS turns off the signal to the monitor? It's what keeps me from
using a screen saver, I don't want it to be active when the monitor is
off.


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Re: Screen blanker Mouse

2008-11-26 Thread Kelly Clowers
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:15, lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 12:49:57PM -0800, Kelly Clowers wrote:

 Personally, I trust xscreensaver a lot more than the KDE or Gnome
 screensavers.

 http://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/faq.html#kde
 http://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/toolkits.html

 How do you know for sure if the screen saver stops to show graphics
 when DPMS turns off the signal to the monitor? It's what keeps me from
 using a screen saver, I don't want it to be active when the monitor is
 off.

Xscreensaver has support for this, see the power management
section in man xscreensaver for details. I cannot think of how to
actually verify that it is happening. Me, I just trust jwz.


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Re: Screen blanker Mouse

2008-11-26 Thread Manon Metten
Hi Kelly, Lee,

 On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 12:49:57PM -0800, Kelly Clowers wrote:

 Personally, I trust xscreensaver a lot more than the KDE or Gnome
 screensavers.

 http://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/faq.html#kde
 http://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/toolkits.html

Hmm. Interesting stuff to read. Never given it that much thought.



On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 7:15 PM, lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 How do you know for sure if the screen saver stops to show graphics
 when DPMS turns off the signal to the monitor? It's what keeps me from
 using a screen saver, I don't want it to be active when the monitor is
 off.

Well, than why don't you set the screen blanker to only blacken the screen.
It might look not so pretty, but it's more energy efficient and better for your
monitor. And there's hardly any visible difference between a black screen
and dpms mode anyway. :-)

Manon.


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Re: Screen blanker Mouse

2008-11-26 Thread lee
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:58:19AM -0800, Kelly Clowers wrote:
 On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:15, lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 12:49:57PM -0800, Kelly Clowers wrote:
 
  http://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/faq.html#kde
 
  How do you know for sure if the screen saver stops to show graphics
  when DPMS turns off the signal to the monitor? It's what keeps me from
  using a screen saver, I don't want it to be active when the monitor is
  off.
 
 Xscreensaver has support for this, see the power management
 section in man xscreensaver for details. I cannot think of how to
 actually verify that it is happening. Me, I just trust jwz.

The FAQ says it should work when some option is put into the X server
configuration, but it also says that it might not work. If it doesn't
work, the CPU remains busy, using more power than it otherwise would,
and the screensaver would only waste processing power ...


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Re: Screen blanker Mouse

2008-11-26 Thread lee
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 08:54:52PM +0100, Manon Metten wrote:

 On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 7:15 PM, lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  How do you know for sure if the screen saver stops to show graphics
  when DPMS turns off the signal to the monitor? It's what keeps me from
  using a screen saver, I don't want it to be active when the monitor is
  off.
 
 Well, than why don't you set the screen blanker to only blacken the screen.

The screen already goes black, and later DPMS is used, without running
another screensaver, so running another screensaver that turns the
screen black is pointless and a waste of resources.

 It might look not so pretty, but it's more energy efficient and better for 
 your
 monitor.

But I would run the screensaver only for the pretty things it can
display. It's not for saving energy or the monitor, that function is
already working fine. Since that is working fine already, I want to be
sure that the screensaver stops displaying something when the monitor
is sleeping.

 And there's hardly any visible difference between a black screen
 and dpms mode anyway. :-)

That depends on the monitor and/or how brightness and contrast are
set. I could and can always see it on my monitors, CRTs as well as
TFTs.


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Re: Screen blanker Mouse

2008-11-25 Thread Rob Starling
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 01:58:08AM -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
 On Monday 2008 November 24 12:32, Manon Metten wrote:
  Whenever I move my mouse, the screen wakes up from either blanking
  or dpms mode. I would like to turn that off and have the screen wake up
  only when I hit the keyboard.
 
 Unfortunately, this isn't really easy.  It would probably take a number of 
 source-code level changes to X.org.
 
  Can anyone please tell me if this is possible at all, and how to achive it.
 
 The right way do do it would probably be to add another Option to the 
 InputDevice section, then test this option and inhibit wake events -- in fact 
 swallow all input from the device if the DPMS has switched on -- and allow 
 clients (like the client that locks the X session) to filter the events based 
 on that option.

sure would be nice, though -- my mouse (a wacom table-mouse)
jitters a bit when it's sitting still and, as a result, my
screen won't properly go into DPMS sleep unless i move the
mouse off the tablet altogether.

searching a bit, it seems like if you're using xscreensaver,
increasing 'pointerHysteresis' a whole bunch might do the
trick.[1]

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Re: Screen blanker Mouse

2008-11-25 Thread Manon Metten
Hi Rob,

 Whenever I move my mouse, the screen wakes up from either blanking
 or dpms mode. I would like to turn that off and have the screen wake up
 only when I hit the keyboard.

 searching a bit, it seems like if you're using xscreensaver,
 increasing 'pointerHysteresis' a whole bunch might do the
 trick.[1]

Actually, I'm using KDE's built-in screensaver.
But switching to xscreensaver and increasing pointerHysteresis
like you suggested, might be an option.

Thanks for the help, Manon.


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Re: Screen blanker Mouse

2008-11-25 Thread Kelly Clowers
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 11:07, Manon Metten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Rob,

 Whenever I move my mouse, the screen wakes up from either blanking
 or dpms mode. I would like to turn that off and have the screen wake up
 only when I hit the keyboard.

 searching a bit, it seems like if you're using xscreensaver,
 increasing 'pointerHysteresis' a whole bunch might do the
 trick.[1]

 Actually, I'm using KDE's built-in screensaver.
 But switching to xscreensaver and increasing pointerHysteresis
 like you suggested, might be an option.

Personally, I trust xscreensaver a lot more than the KDE or Gnome
screensavers.

http://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/faq.html#kde
http://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/toolkits.html


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Screen blanker Mouse

2008-11-24 Thread Manon Metten
Hi,

Whenever I move my mouse, the screen wakes up from either blanking
or dpms mode. I would like to turn that off and have the screen wake up
only when I hit the keyboard.

Can anyone please tell me if this is possible at all, and how to achive it.

Thanks in advance, Manon.


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Re: Screen blanker Mouse

2008-11-24 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Monday 2008 November 24 12:32, Manon Metten wrote:
 Whenever I move my mouse, the screen wakes up from either blanking
 or dpms mode. I would like to turn that off and have the screen wake up
 only when I hit the keyboard.

Unfortunately, this isn't really easy.  It would probably take a number of 
source-code level changes to X.org.

 Can anyone please tell me if this is possible at all, and how to achive it.

The right way do do it would probably be to add another Option to the 
InputDevice section, then test this option and inhibit wake events -- in fact 
swallow all input from the device if the DPMS has switched on -- and allow 
clients (like the client that locks the X session) to filter the events based 
on that option.

I'm not an expert on these things -- there might already be such as option.
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Screen Blanker

1999-04-21 Thread Nidge Jones

Real dumb stupid silly question..

Where does Debian (2.0) set the screen blanker parameter at boot !

I guess it's set with setterm -blank - but where. I have snooped about all
over the place trying find the answer to this.

I want to disable mine (-blank 0) permentley?

Thanks in advance.

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Nidge Jones


Re: Screen Blanker

1999-04-21 Thread ktb
Nidge Jones wrote:
 
 Real dumb stupid silly question..
 
 Where does Debian (2.0) set the screen blanker parameter at boot !
 
 I guess it's set with setterm -blank - but where. I have snooped about all
 over the place trying find the answer to this.
 
 I want to disable mine (-blank 0) permentley?
 

You can dissable it in X in the file,
 /etc/X11/XF86Config

changing the BlankTime to 0,


Section Screen
   Driver  Accel
   Device  Primary Card
   Monitor Primary Monitor
   DefaultColorDepth 16
   BlankTime   5
   SuspendTime 0
   OffTime 0

hth,
kent


Re: Screen Blanker

1999-04-21 Thread Bob Nielsen
On Wed, 21 Apr 1999, Nidge Jones wrote:

 
 Real dumb stupid silly question..
 
 Where does Debian (2.0) set the screen blanker parameter at boot !
 
 I guess it's set with setterm -blank - but where. I have snooped about all
 over the place trying find the answer to this.
 
 I want to disable mine (-blank 0) permentley?

I couldn't find it either, but created /etc/init.d/local (and ran
update-rc.d) for stuff like this.  You should use the full path:
 
'/usr/bin/setterm -blank 0'

Bob


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Screen Blanker

1999-04-21 Thread Kenneth Scharf

Real dumb stupid silly question..

Where does Debian (2.0) set the screen blanker parameter at boot !

I guess it's set with setterm -blank - but where. I have snooped
about all
over the place trying find the answer to this.

I want to disable mine (-blank 0) permentley?

Thanks in advance.
Lots of ways to do this, a simple way is to put
setterm -blank 0 in a .bash_profile file in your home directory. This
sets the behavior for a single user.  I think you can also put it in a
.bash_profile in /etc to have it the default behavior for everyone
(everyone that uses bash as the shell anyway.)

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Re: Screen Blanker

1999-04-21 Thread Nidge Jones
On Wed, Apr 21, 1999 at 06:57:23AM -0700, Bob Nielsen wrote:

 I couldn't find it either, but created /etc/init.d/local (and ran
 update-rc.d) for stuff like this.  You should use the full path:

I already have a 'local' file there, first thing I did when I Installed
Debian long time agao :-) (also use update-rc.d)

I run loads of stuff from 'local' OK, but whenever I try to add a setterm
line to disable the screen blanker (and yes I use full path), it doesn't
disable it. Accepts command OK, just doesn't disable :-(


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Nidge Jones


Re: screen blanker

1996-06-05 Thread Guy Maor
On Wed, 5 Jun 1996, Michel LESPINASSE wrote:

  in the debian 1.1beta distribution, setterm does not seems to support 
  such options. (the -msg option dissapeard, also).

util-linux-2.5-4 will have a working setterm, making the setterm
package obsolete.  It'll get installed into the tree tonight, so should
appear on mirrors in a day or two.

The setterm package will get purged when you install this newer
util-linux.


Guy


screen blanker

1996-05-31 Thread Michel LESPINASSE

in my previous setup I used to have setterm -blank 15 -powersave on 
launched in my init scripts.

in the debian 1.1beta distribution, setterm does not seems to support 
such options. (the -msg option dissapeard, also).

Is this because the setterm included in debian is not up-to-date
(in which case I think it would be worth upgrading it before the release 
of debian 1.1), or is it because there is now another way to enable 
console power saving ?

Michel Walken LESPINASSE - Student at Ecole Centrale Paris (France)
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