Re: Sources.list Question
On Mi, 21 nov 12, 13:22:14, Tom Furie wrote: > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 09:18:48AM +, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Wednesday 21 November 2012 08:53:38 Chris Bannister wrote: > > > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:43:16PM -0500, Fred White wrote: > > > > > Hello List, > > > > > > It is considered (well, actually it is) rude to hijack threads on > > > mailing lists. > > > > According to my email client (KMail 1.9.10) he didn't. What thread did you > > think that he had hijacked? > > According to mutt, he hijacked crypticmofo's "Guide / Tools" thread. But > on closer inspection I don't see any reference to that thread in Fred's > post. > > Odd. Mutt and other inteligent mail clients use the In-Reply-To: and References: headers. Use 'h' (default binding) to see all headers. Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Sources.list Question
On Mi, 21 nov 12, 09:18:48, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Wednesday 21 November 2012 08:53:38 Chris Bannister wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:43:16PM -0500, Fred White wrote: > > > Hello List, > > > > It is considered (well, actually it is) rude to hijack threads on > > mailing lists. > > According to my email client (KMail 1.9.10) he didn't. What thread did you > think that he had hijacked? Maybe you deleted the original post? Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Sources.list Question
On Wednesday 21 November 2012 14:01:53 Brad Alexander wrote: > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 8:53 AM, "Morel Bérenger" > > wrote: > > I guess he just have made a "reply" and then removed all message and > > title, and softwares which think IDs are relevant were fooled, unlike > > those which do not even try to know about flows or do that by subjects. > > And, honestly, I think the only way to know that something is related to > > another in ml's situation is by title, because a subject can fork, and > > will share the id (I even did not know that there were ids here, thanks > > for info). > > > > I think people on linux's mailing lists should know that automated things > > are never perfect, and must be taken carefully. > > > > But I do not think it have anything related to "Re: Sources.list > > Question". > > Um, not to pour gasoline on a dying fire, but the OP was told it was > rude to hijack another thread. But the bulk of the posts in this > thread is about whether or not he *actually* hijacked it, why he might > have, and why gmail (and others) didn't pick up on it. Wouldn't this > be considered a hijack as well? Or is changing the focus of the thread > to discuss list etiquette ok? Or is hijacking a hijack not a hijack. > I'm just wondering... :-) Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201211211417.56446.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Difference between hijack and sub thread (was ... Re: OT: Sources.list Question)
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 01:09:54PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > The main problem still is, that humans on this list count to much on all > kinds of automatic selection. An id shouldn't be that important as a > subject is. We had thousands of years of natural evolution and now we > try to be better than nature and to select by smart inventions, e.g. by > an id. Living beings should be able to select their self, instead of > using machines that does sort by e.g. an id. On this list there never is > a month without issues to "broken threads". Use a MUA and e.g. sort by > the subject, or anything else that's "human readable". The point is that by "hijacking" a thread (either innocently or whatever) it detracts attention (takes all the limelight) from the actual legitimate OP. Good software picks this up. :) Unfortunately, my post, has detracted attention from the OP, although I prefer to look on it as a sub thread. :) Just as an aside, I googled "hijack thread" (just so I could point the hijacker to some relevant documentation) and the responses seem to confuse "starting a sub thread" with "hijacking a thread" whereas my understanding of "hijacking a thread" is where the poster replies to a post and changes the subject to what he/she pleases with the understanding it is a completely new topic. "starting a sub thread" is a deliberate action of starting a sub topic (an aside if you like, like those shaded info¹ boxes in those for dummies books) and entails altering the subject accordingly, normally along the lines of "sub topic subject (was ... previous subject). ¹ Might be tech or extra. -- "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing." --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121121140429.GA32325@tal
Re: Sources.list Question
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 8:53 AM, "Morel Bérenger" wrote: > I guess he just have made a "reply" and then removed all message and > title, and softwares which think IDs are relevant were fooled, unlike > those which do not even try to know about flows or do that by subjects. > And, honestly, I think the only way to know that something is related to > another in ml's situation is by title, because a subject can fork, and > will share the id (I even did not know that there were ids here, thanks > for info). > > I think people on linux's mailing lists should know that automated things > are never perfect, and must be taken carefully. > > But I do not think it have anything related to "Re: Sources.list Question". Um, not to pour gasoline on a dying fire, but the OP was told it was rude to hijack another thread. But the bulk of the posts in this thread is about whether or not he *actually* hijacked it, why he might have, and why gmail (and others) didn't pick up on it. Wouldn't this be considered a hijack as well? Or is changing the focus of the thread to discuss list etiquette ok? Or is hijacking a hijack not a hijack. I'm just wondering... --b -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAKmZw+btkOXf=jm2vdjqdbe8djbm51_gqvehr4wxmxuu6mo...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Sources.list Question
> According to mutt, he hijacked crypticmofo's "Guide / Tools" thread. But > on closer inspection I don't see any reference to that thread in Fred's > post. > > Odd. I guess he just have made a "reply" and then removed all message and title, and softwares which think IDs are relevant were fooled, unlike those which do not even try to know about flows or do that by subjects. And, honestly, I think the only way to know that something is related to another in ml's situation is by title, because a subject can fork, and will share the id (I even did not know that there were ids here, thanks for info). I think people on linux's mailing lists should know that automated things are never perfect, and must be taken carefully. But I do not think it have anything related to "Re: Sources.list Question". -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/84500b1915d8c139581002e90b9b76d9.squir...@www.sud-ouest.org
Re: Sources.list Question
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 09:18:48AM +, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Wednesday 21 November 2012 08:53:38 Chris Bannister wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:43:16PM -0500, Fred White wrote: > > > Hello List, > > > > It is considered (well, actually it is) rude to hijack threads on > > mailing lists. > > According to my email client (KMail 1.9.10) he didn't. What thread did you > think that he had hijacked? According to mutt, he hijacked crypticmofo's "Guide / Tools" thread. But on closer inspection I don't see any reference to that thread in Fred's post. Odd. Cheers, Tom -- If men acted after marriage as they do during courtship, there would be fewer divorces -- and more bankruptcies. -- Frances Rodman signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Mail client, threads, etc... [Was: Sources.list Question]
François, a good idea to open a new subject, but keeping the id. Others might think, this is bad too. I say, use a client that enables to select, as you want the selection, even if people "use" the id in different ways. > But it has powerfull possibilities, and is customisable using Lisp. > > May emacs be with you. Too funny, since somebody for the subject about tools does mention Emacs. We should be aware that newbies never ever will use (e)lisp to set up preferences for their MUAs, newsgroup thingies etc., they will use a GUI, with a menu for preferences and theay don't know about email headers and ids. Any selection on an open users list by something averaged non-experts can't know is stupid. It's completely impossible that this ever will work on an open users list. The experts and the software they use should be smarter by being more flexible. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1353501790.2626.141.camel@q
Re: Sources.list Question
On Wednesday 21 November 2012 12:23:00 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > ignore something that's hidden in the headers and > that isn't human readable, something we receive all the times, shouldn't > cause chaos. It doesn't! Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201211211227.17902.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: OT: Sources.list Question
On Wednesday 21 November 2012 12:09:54 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > The main problem still is, that humans on this list count to much on all > kinds of automatic selection. An id shouldn't be that important as a > subject is. We had thousands of years of natural evolution and now we > try to be better than nature and to select by smart inventions, e.g. by > an id. Living beings should be able to select their self, instead of > using machines that does sort by e.g. an id. On this list there never is > a month without issues to "broken threads". Use a MUA and e.g. sort by > the subject, or anything else that's "human readable". That is clearly Gmail's thinking, since it does indeed sort on subject - "conversation". I don't like it and much prefer threading by id, which I find very readable by this human. KMail on my machine is playing up this morning, but by that I mean that I am having more trouble than usual getting it to do what I want it to. If this state of affairs continues, I shall obviously have to do something about it; so that I can stay in control and not be taken over by the machine. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201211211225.25479.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Sources.list Question
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 10:52 +, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Wednesday 21 November 2012 10:39:46 François TOURDE wrote: > > Le 15665ième jour après Epoch, > > > > Ralf Mardorf écrivait: > > > On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 09:27 +, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > >> On Wednesday 21 November 2012 09:22:57 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > >> > On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 09:18 +, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > >> > > On Wednesday 21 November 2012 08:53:38 Chris Bannister wrote: > > >> > > > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:43:16PM -0500, Fred White wrote: > > >> > > > > Hello List, > > >> > > > > > >> > > > It is considered (well, actually it is) rude to hijack threads on > > >> > > > mailing lists. > > >> > > > > >> > > According to my email client (KMail 1.9.10) he didn't. What thread > > >> > > did you think that he had hijacked? > > >> > > > > >> > > Gmail also thinks that he started a new "conversation", but Gmail > > >> > > often breaks threads. > > >> > > > >> > http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/11/msg00909.html > > >> > > > >> > so Fred is the OP. > > >> > > >> Quite. Exactly. And Chris said that he hijacked the thread. > > > > > > errare humanum est > > > > No error in this case. He hijacked Crypticmofo's message id > > 50ac43a5.3010...@gmail.com as marked on my client (Gnus), and marked on > > lists.debian.org: > > > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/11/thrd2.html#00909 > > > > Maybe gmail uses refs + subject to mark threads. > > > > The real problem hijacking threads is that fred question can be deleted > > because of original thread removal. > > > > Lisi, consider change or upgrade your client ;) > > Obviously!! This is the first time, to my knowledge, that it has let me > down, > but one could say once is too often. :-( > > I wonder which email client Ralf is using, since he too thought that Fred was > the OP? I haven't looked at Gnus. Perhaps I should? > > Gmail doesn't even know what a thread is. It goes purely by subject. > > And yes, hijacking a thread can be very disadvantageous to the hijacker and > very confusing for everybody else. > > Sorry, Chris. > Lisi Evolution 3.6.0 and I can't recommend to use Evolution 3.6.0, but this has nothing to do with the topic. Regarding to the topic, I don't let Evolution sort by by threads. If I group by threads, but still sort by something else, e.g. by date, everything still is ok. If I "hard" select by threads, than Evolution does show that indeed "Sources.list Question" is "part" of "Guide/Tools". A human mistake, to ignore something that's hidden in the headers and that isn't human readable, something we receive all the times, shouldn't cause chaos. And indeed, Evolution is able to sort by thread and anyway keep some order, when not only selecting by thread, but e.g. by thread and date. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1353500580.2626.130.camel@q
OT: Sources.list Question
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 11:39 +0100, François TOURDE wrote: > Le 15665ième jour après Epoch, > Ralf Mardorf écrivait: > > > On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 09:27 +, Lisi Reisz wrote: > >> On Wednesday 21 November 2012 09:22:57 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >> > On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 09:18 +, Lisi Reisz wrote: > >> > > On Wednesday 21 November 2012 08:53:38 Chris Bannister wrote: > >> > > > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:43:16PM -0500, Fred White wrote: > >> > > > > Hello List, > >> > > > > >> > > > It is considered (well, actually it is) rude to hijack threads on > >> > > > mailing lists. > >> > > > >> > > According to my email client (KMail 1.9.10) he didn't. What thread did > >> > > you think that he had hijacked? > >> > > > >> > > Gmail also thinks that he started a new "conversation", but Gmail often > >> > > breaks threads. > >> > > >> > http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/11/msg00909.html > >> > > >> > so Fred is the OP. > >> > >> Quite. Exactly. And Chris said that he hijacked the thread. > > > > errare humanum est > > No error in this case. He hijacked Crypticmofo's message id > 50ac43a5.3010...@gmail.com as marked on my client (Gnus), and marked on > lists.debian.org: > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/11/thrd2.html#00909 > > Maybe gmail uses refs + subject to mark threads. > > The real problem hijacking threads is that fred question can be deleted > because of original thread removal. > > Lisi, consider change or upgrade your client ;) The main problem still is, that humans on this list count to much on all kinds of automatic selection. An id shouldn't be that important as a subject is. We had thousands of years of natural evolution and now we try to be better than nature and to select by smart inventions, e.g. by an id. Living beings should be able to select their self, instead of using machines that does sort by e.g. an id. On this list there never is a month without issues to "broken threads". Use a MUA and e.g. sort by the subject, or anything else that's "human readable". We should maintain advantages of machines and not insist on ideas that don't work and seemingly the id thingy doesn't work, regarding to a "human factor". We are the "leaders", the machines are the "tools". In Linuxland we more and more go a step into a direction where the users should learn to use Linux. I chose Linux to set up my machine to do what I want, no to learn what the machine wants. 2 Cents, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1353499794.2626.121.camel@q
Re: Sources.list Question
Sorry, Lars. Sent to you in error. Resending to list. I fear that th ethreading may have been broken. I think that my KMail is definitely sickly. :-( On Wednesday 21 November 2012 11:16:09 Lars Noodén wrote: > On 11/21/12, Lisi Reisz wrote: > ... > > > Gmail doesn't even know what a thread is. It goes purely by subject. > > ... > > Is there even any place to report such bugs with their mail client? I believe that it is viewed as a feature rather than a bug, as are so many of Gmail's "quirks". :-( Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201211211205.23712.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Sources.list Question
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 6:16 AM, Lars Noodén wrote: > On 11/21/12, Lisi Reisz wrote: >> >> Gmail doesn't even know what a thread is. It goes purely by subject. > > Is there even any place to report such bugs with their mail client? Possibly https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/to-grf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=Sz+GySVRatHmuFXw7Eyn4AHRSJctPbKACaR3CnuY5a=h...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Mail client, threads, etc... [Was: Sources.list Question]
On Wednesday 21 November 2012 11:10:46 François TOURDE wrote: > X-Mailer: Evolution 3.6.0-0ubuntu3 > > As marked on his message. Do'h. :-( Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201211211125.03410.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Sources.list Question
On 11/21/12, Lisi Reisz wrote: ... > Gmail doesn't even know what a thread is. It goes purely by subject. ... Is there even any place to report such bugs with their mail client? Regards /Lars -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CACq_q0e0LvvTH+V0iookfLw6gYsiDcUHOT5ebWoxHh=wf2z...@mail.gmail.com
Mail client, threads, etc... [Was: Sources.list Question]
Le 15665ième jour après Epoch, Lisi Reisz écrivait: > On Wednesday 21 November 2012 10:39:46 François TOURDE wrote: [...] >> >> Lisi, consider change or upgrade your client ;) > > Obviously!! This is the first time, to my knowledge, that it has let me > down, > but one could say once is too often. :-( Don't worry, be happy :P ... In your case, that let you see new questions on hijacks. Not me. > I wonder which email client Ralf is using, since he too thought that Fred was X-Mailer: Evolution 3.6.0-0ubuntu3 As marked on his message. > the OP? I haven't looked at Gnus. Perhaps I should? Be prepared. Gnus run under emacs, and is originally designed for newsgroups, not for mails. It's a rugged mail client ;) But it has powerfull possibilities, and is customisable using Lisp. May emacs be with you. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87obirdxe1.fsf...@tourde.org
Re: Sources.list Question
On Wednesday 21 November 2012 10:39:46 François TOURDE wrote: > Le 15665ième jour après Epoch, > > Ralf Mardorf écrivait: > > On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 09:27 +, Lisi Reisz wrote: > >> On Wednesday 21 November 2012 09:22:57 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >> > On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 09:18 +, Lisi Reisz wrote: > >> > > On Wednesday 21 November 2012 08:53:38 Chris Bannister wrote: > >> > > > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:43:16PM -0500, Fred White wrote: > >> > > > > Hello List, > >> > > > > >> > > > It is considered (well, actually it is) rude to hijack threads on > >> > > > mailing lists. > >> > > > >> > > According to my email client (KMail 1.9.10) he didn't. What thread > >> > > did you think that he had hijacked? > >> > > > >> > > Gmail also thinks that he started a new "conversation", but Gmail > >> > > often breaks threads. > >> > > >> > http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/11/msg00909.html > >> > > >> > so Fred is the OP. > >> > >> Quite. Exactly. And Chris said that he hijacked the thread. > > > > errare humanum est > > No error in this case. He hijacked Crypticmofo's message id > 50ac43a5.3010...@gmail.com as marked on my client (Gnus), and marked on > lists.debian.org: > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/11/thrd2.html#00909 > > Maybe gmail uses refs + subject to mark threads. > > The real problem hijacking threads is that fred question can be deleted > because of original thread removal. > > Lisi, consider change or upgrade your client ;) Obviously!! This is the first time, to my knowledge, that it has let me down, but one could say once is too often. :-( I wonder which email client Ralf is using, since he too thought that Fred was the OP? I haven't looked at Gnus. Perhaps I should? Gmail doesn't even know what a thread is. It goes purely by subject. And yes, hijacking a thread can be very disadvantageous to the hijacker and very confusing for everybody else. Sorry, Chris. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201211211052.26147.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Sources.list Question
Le 15665ième jour après Epoch, Ralf Mardorf écrivait: > On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 09:27 +, Lisi Reisz wrote: >> On Wednesday 21 November 2012 09:22:57 Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> > On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 09:18 +, Lisi Reisz wrote: >> > > On Wednesday 21 November 2012 08:53:38 Chris Bannister wrote: >> > > > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:43:16PM -0500, Fred White wrote: >> > > > > Hello List, >> > > > >> > > > It is considered (well, actually it is) rude to hijack threads on >> > > > mailing lists. >> > > >> > > According to my email client (KMail 1.9.10) he didn't. What thread did >> > > you think that he had hijacked? >> > > >> > > Gmail also thinks that he started a new "conversation", but Gmail often >> > > breaks threads. >> > >> > http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/11/msg00909.html >> > >> > so Fred is the OP. >> >> Quite. Exactly. And Chris said that he hijacked the thread. > > errare humanum est No error in this case. He hijacked Crypticmofo's message id 50ac43a5.3010...@gmail.com as marked on my client (Gnus), and marked on lists.debian.org: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/11/thrd2.html#00909 Maybe gmail uses refs + subject to mark threads. The real problem hijacking threads is that fred question can be deleted because of original thread removal. Lisi, consider change or upgrade your client ;) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87vcczdytp@tourde.org
Re: Sources.list Question
On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 09:27:34 + Lisi Reisz wrote: Hello Lisi, >Quite. Exactly. And Chris said that he hijacked the thread. He did; Crypticmofo's Guide/Tools post. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent" Your father was a megalomaniac, you've got an insane brother Pure Mania - The Vibrators signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Sources.list Question
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 09:27 +, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Wednesday 21 November 2012 09:22:57 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 09:18 +, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > On Wednesday 21 November 2012 08:53:38 Chris Bannister wrote: > > > > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:43:16PM -0500, Fred White wrote: > > > > > Hello List, > > > > > > > > It is considered (well, actually it is) rude to hijack threads on > > > > mailing lists. > > > > > > According to my email client (KMail 1.9.10) he didn't. What thread did > > > you think that he had hijacked? > > > > > > Gmail also thinks that he started a new "conversation", but Gmail often > > > breaks threads. > > > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/11/msg00909.html > > > > so Fred is the OP. > > Quite. Exactly. And Chris said that he hijacked the thread. errare humanum est -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1353490803.2626.77.camel@q
Re: Sources.list Question
On Wednesday 21 November 2012 09:22:57 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 09:18 +, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Wednesday 21 November 2012 08:53:38 Chris Bannister wrote: > > > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:43:16PM -0500, Fred White wrote: > > > > Hello List, > > > > > > It is considered (well, actually it is) rude to hijack threads on > > > mailing lists. > > > > According to my email client (KMail 1.9.10) he didn't. What thread did > > you think that he had hijacked? > > > > Gmail also thinks that he started a new "conversation", but Gmail often > > breaks threads. > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/11/msg00909.html > > so Fred is the OP. Quite. Exactly. And Chris said that he hijacked the thread. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201211210927.34253.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Sources.list Question
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 09:18 +, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Wednesday 21 November 2012 08:53:38 Chris Bannister wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:43:16PM -0500, Fred White wrote: > > > Hello List, > > > > It is considered (well, actually it is) rude to hijack threads on > > mailing lists. > > According to my email client (KMail 1.9.10) he didn't. What thread did you > think that he had hijacked? > > Gmail also thinks that he started a new "conversation", but Gmail often > breaks > threads. http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/11/msg00909.html so Fred is the OP. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1353489777.2626.69.camel@q
Re: Sources.list Question
On Wednesday 21 November 2012 08:53:38 Chris Bannister wrote: > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:43:16PM -0500, Fred White wrote: > > Hello List, > > It is considered (well, actually it is) rude to hijack threads on > mailing lists. According to my email client (KMail 1.9.10) he didn't. What thread did you think that he had hijacked? Gmail also thinks that he started a new "conversation", but Gmail often breaks threads. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201211210918.48098.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Sources.list Question
On Wednesday 21 November 2012 03:43:16 Fred White wrote: > I need to upgrade Opendkim version 2.0.1 but squeeze repository remains > with 2.0.1 since I started have to add opendkim to my server and this > version seem never to be upgraded. However, 2.6.8 is in Debian backports > repository and since I do not want to update any other areas of my > server seeing the warning of incompatibilities that might be introduced > by the packages using the backports could cause my system to become > unsupportable I want to be carefull. http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ HTH Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201211210906.59562.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Sources.list Question
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:43:16PM -0500, Fred White wrote: > > Hello List, > It is considered (well, actually it is) rude to hijack threads on mailing lists. -- "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing." --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121121085338.GE26390@tal
Re: Sources.list Question
There is also the solution of creating a file containing the needed line in /etc/apt/sources.list.d All files here are virtually added to the sources.list file by apt* when updating the package list. Le Mer 21 novembre 2012 5:34, Zenaan Harkness a écrit : > This WFM (works for me): > add the extra dist/section update install package remove the section > > You will be left with your package. > Repeat if you need to upgrade just that package, either by install it > again, or by [dist-]upgrade with regular sources.list entries just prior to > upgrading for that package too... > > > On 11/21/12, Fred White wrote: > >> >> Hello List, >> >> >> I am learning to help myself installing and updates some minor programs >> on my dedicated server and need to ask a couple of questions. >> >> I need to upgrade Opendkim version 2.0.1 but squeeze repository remains >> with 2.0.1 since I started have to add opendkim to my server and this >> version seem never to be upgraded. However, 2.6.8 is in Debian >> backports repository and since I do not want to update any other areas >> of my server seeing the warning of incompatibilities that might be >> introduced by the packages using the backports could cause my system to >> become unsupportable I want to be carefull. >> >> Could I just rename my present sources.list and then just create a new >> sources.list with just the one line "deb >> http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian-backports/ squeeze-backports main" >> then #apt-get update then #apt-get install opendkim Would this be right or >> should I be using dpkg. >> >> Please advice any input would be much appreciated >> >> >> Thanks >> >> >> Fred >> >> >> >> -- >> To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org >> with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact >> listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: >> http://lists.debian.org/50ac4dd4.9010...@cakafete.com >> >> >> > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: > http://lists.debian.org/CAOsGNSTuK--XV-GqjWoRhH_3rLGq66waTUPj5kVEM0PgB_7v > y...@mail.gmail.com > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/0c1a867ab3e18d6d32cd51ae0f15cfb1.squir...@www.sud-ouest.org
Re: Sources.list Question
On Tue, 2012-11-20 at 22:43 -0500, Fred White wrote: > Hello List, > > I am learning to help myself installing and updates some minor programs > on my dedicated server and need to ask a couple of questions. > > I need to upgrade Opendkim version 2.0.1 but squeeze repository remains > with 2.0.1 since I started have to add opendkim to my server and this > version seem never to be upgraded. However, 2.6.8 is in Debian backports > repository and since I do not want to update any other areas of my > server seeing the warning of incompatibilities that might be introduced > by the packages using the backports could cause my system to become > unsupportable I want to be carefull. > > Could I just rename my present sources.list and then just create a new > sources.list with just the one line "deb > http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian-backports/ squeeze-backports main" > then #apt-get update > then #apt-get install opendkim > Would this be right or should I be using dpkg. > > Please advice any input would be much appreciated > > Thanks > > Fred Yes, you can do this, but this already could brake your Linux. If you would use dpkg you would have to get all needed dependencies manually. You perhaps should read about Debian's policy. "Stable" isn't for software version hunting ;). Perhaps helpful for your needs: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html To choose a distro or version of a distro should be done regarding to the needs. I don't use always one distro, I always try to use the distro and it's version (assumed the distro has version, some are rolling releases), that fit best to my needs. There isn't something like "distro A" is better than "distro B", it depends to your needs. So, if you're waiting for an upgrade, using Debian stable is an unfavorable choice, usually there are updates for security reasons, but not just to get latest features. Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1353482741.2626.37.camel@q
Re: Sources.list Question
This WFM (works for me): add the extra dist/section update install package remove the section You will be left with your package. Repeat if you need to upgrade just that package, either by install it again, or by [dist-]upgrade with regular sources.list entries just prior to upgrading for that package too... On 11/21/12, Fred White wrote: > > Hello List, > > I am learning to help myself installing and updates some minor programs > on my dedicated server and need to ask a couple of questions. > > I need to upgrade Opendkim version 2.0.1 but squeeze repository remains > with 2.0.1 since I started have to add opendkim to my server and this > version seem never to be upgraded. However, 2.6.8 is in Debian backports > repository and since I do not want to update any other areas of my > server seeing the warning of incompatibilities that might be introduced > by the packages using the backports could cause my system to become > unsupportable I want to be carefull. > > Could I just rename my present sources.list and then just create a new > sources.list with just the one line "deb > http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian-backports/ squeeze-backports main" > then #apt-get update > then #apt-get install opendkim > Would this be right or should I be using dpkg. > > Please advice any input would be much appreciated > > Thanks > > Fred > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > listmas...@lists.debian.org > Archive: http://lists.debian.org/50ac4dd4.9010...@cakafete.com > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caosgnstuk--xv-gqjworhh_3rlgq66watupj5kvem0pgb_7...@mail.gmail.com
Sources.list Question
Hello List, I am learning to help myself installing and updates some minor programs on my dedicated server and need to ask a couple of questions. I need to upgrade Opendkim version 2.0.1 but squeeze repository remains with 2.0.1 since I started have to add opendkim to my server and this version seem never to be upgraded. However, 2.6.8 is in Debian backports repository and since I do not want to update any other areas of my server seeing the warning of incompatibilities that might be introduced by the packages using the backports could cause my system to become unsupportable I want to be carefull. Could I just rename my present sources.list and then just create a new sources.list with just the one line "deb http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian-backports/ squeeze-backports main" then #apt-get update then #apt-get install opendkim Would this be right or should I be using dpkg. Please advice any input would be much appreciated Thanks Fred -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/50ac4dd4.9010...@cakafete.com
Re: sources.list question
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 14:29:10 +0100 Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ::On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 06:04:45AM -0700, Wm. G. McGrath wrote: ::> I'm setting up my sources.list file again looking for faster, ::closer> mirrors. I've used netselect to find the best urls for my ::location> and setup, and have put together a comparitively small ::list of> mirrors on which to base the file. Ok so I've done that. ::> ::> Now I'd like to test each line in the file and know that it ::works.> Is there a simple way to do that? Is there a 'debug' mode, ::or> equivilent, for apt or sources.list? I want to confirm that ::I've got> the path for each url right, that the distributions and ::components> are correct too. :: ::Can't you just do 'apt-get update' (or, better, 'dselect update')? ::If the appropriate index files can't be fetched then apt-get will ::complain. No. I'm talking about deb lines in sources.list. Not package lists. I'd like to be sure that each url/line is checked. I've got backup urls that apt will normally ignore that I'd like to check. thanks, bill -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sources.list question
On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 06:04:45AM -0700, Wm. G. McGrath wrote: > I'm setting up my sources.list file again looking for faster, closer > mirrors. I've used netselect to find the best urls for my location > and setup, and have put together a comparitively small list of > mirrors on which to base the file. Ok so I've done that. > > Now I'd like to test each line in the file and know that it works. > Is there a simple way to do that? Is there a 'debug' mode, or > equivilent, for apt or sources.list? I want to confirm that I've got > the path for each url right, that the distributions and components > are correct too. Can't you just do 'apt-get update' (or, better, 'dselect update')? If the appropriate index files can't be fetched then apt-get will complain. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
sources.list question
Howdy all, I'm setting up my sources.list file again looking for faster, closer mirrors. I've used netselect to find the best urls for my location and setup, and have put together a comparitively small list of mirrors on which to base the file. Ok so I've done that. Now I'd like to test each line in the file and know that it works. Is there a simple way to do that? Is there a 'debug' mode, or equivilent, for apt or sources.list? I want to confirm that I've got the path for each url right, that the distributions and components are correct too. BTW if you're looking for a way to figure out what the best mirrors are from YOUR location, netselect is a really great tool. tia, bill -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: /etc/sources.list question
also sprach Joyce, Matthew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.09.17.0327 +0200]: > On my laptop, when I am at home, I would like to use the Debian CDs 1-7, > however at work I would prefer to use the mirrors at the local uni. > > Is there anyway to set which are my preferred sources or source order ? Just put them both in. If the CDs or the mirrors are unavailable, you'll get errors, but any update or install will still work, simply using the other method. -- martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) \ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:"; net@madduck "she is absolutely inadmissible into society. many a woman has a past, but I am told that she has at least a dozen, and that they all fit." -- oscar wilde msg02691/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: sources.list question
Interesting...I use vi on the server but the machine I'm configuring has a non-techie owner so needed somthing that offered at least a clue as to how to exit without rebooting the machine ( and yes - that's how he exitted vi first time!) Nano is fine. I just wanted the ^X stuff on the bottom to keep him from rebooting. Thanks all. Now for my next question...
Re: sources.list question
On Sat, Feb 09, 2002 at 05:51:17PM -0800, Patrick Kirk wrote: > [snip] > > > I remember pine is only available as source due to licensing issue and > > removed from binary distribution. If I were desparate, I might download > > source package and compile. (Which I believe comes with pico.) > > > > But, I will recommend you to move to "mutt" if you used "pine" or > > "elm". As for "pico", install "nano". > > > so what is non-free for if it doesn't cover things like pine? > > Nano is fine btw - I'm just asking out of curiosity now. Sometime ago there was a feverish discussion why pine can't be in non-free as binary. It turns out that the license of pine prohibits distribution of a binary that was produced as a result of changing the source code. For a debian package to exist, we must add at least /debian directory in the source together with all the dependencies in there. This is a change to the source code. So we can't distribute the binary... You can get the sources, go into the pine source directory, type "debian/rules binary" and you'll end up with .deb of pico and pine in the parent directory. IMO, it's stupid for pine to have a license like that but that's life. I don't use it any more. I find mutt to have more features I like :) Regards, Adam
Re: sources.list question
Patrick Kirk([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said: > deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free > deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US testing/non-US main contrib > non-free > > Hi all, > > My sources list is above. I can't find pine, pico or smbpasswd. Is there > something essential I messed up when I changed from stable to woody? > Someone does have pine packages available, search the archives. Pico, I don't know. dpkg -S smbpasswd samba: /usr/sbin/mksmbpasswd samba-common: /usr/bin/smbpasswd -- Bad or missing mouse driver. Spank the cat [Y/N]? ___
Re: sources.list question
[snip] > I remember pine is only available as source due to licensing issue and > removed from binary distribution. If I were desparate, I might download > source package and compile. (Which I believe comes with pico.) > > But, I will recommend you to move to "mutt" if you used "pine" or > "elm". As for "pico", install "nano". > so what is non-free for if it doesn't cover things like pine? Nano is fine btw - I'm just asking out of curiosity now. >
Re: sources.list question
On Sat, Feb 09, 2002 at 04:36:28PM -0800, Patrick Kirk wrote: > deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free > deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US testing/non-US main contrib > non-free > > Hi all, > > My sources list is above. I can't find pine, pico or smbpasswd. Is there > something essential I messed up when I changed from stable to woody? You are OK. Here is result from my box(testing/unstable, read "man apt_preferences" to set up properly. My web page has more info.) $ apt-cache policy pine pico smbpasswd pine: Installed: (none) Candidate: (none) Version Table: W: Unable to locate package pico W: Unable to locate package smbpasswd I remember pine is only available as source due to licensing issue and removed from binary distribution. If I were desparate, I might download source package and compile. (Which I believe comes with pico.) But, I will recommend you to move to "mutt" if you used "pine" or "elm". As for "pico", install "nano". As for "smbpasswd", $ dpkg -S smbpasswd ... samba-common: /usr/bin/smbpasswd So it is now in samba-common. -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, GnuPG-key: 1024D/D5DE453D + + My debian quick-reference, http://qref.sourceforge.net/quick/ +
sources.list question
deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US testing/non-US main contrib non-free Hi all, My sources list is above. I can't find pine, pico or smbpasswd. Is there something essential I messed up when I changed from stable to woody? -- Best regards, Patrick Kirk Telephone: 0870 011 8494 GSM: 07876 560 646 Web site: www.kirks.net
RE: Going down the Rabbit Hole (was: apt-get sources.list question)
--- William De Cat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Personnaly, I install the base system from an old > CD, then edit /etc/apt/sources.list to point to the > distribution I want and then do an "apt-get dist- > upgrade". I have done that, and have finally upgraded to Woody. Right now I'm having a bit of a problem dialing up. Must be a change to pon or diald. > However, the primary servers may be slow, so I > recommend using other servers, which can be found at: > http://www.debian.org/misc/README.mirrors > Just use the one closest to you, or when you decide > to upgrade to the woody (aka testing) distribution, > you can use the apt-spy package to determine the > fastest server for you (install and read the man > page) apt-spy is something I haven't heard of. Little bits of knowledge, a little at a time. __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com
RE: Going down the Rabbit Hole (was: apt-get sources.list question)
--- "Karsten M. Self" wrote: > This is among the reason few seasoned Debian users > install from CD -- base tarball plus boot floppies > is generally sufficient, packages are snared over > the 'Net. Well, I came here to learn, so where would I find documentation outlining this procedure? Or where would I be able to find the base tarball. Looked on Debian's ftp sites, but I'm not sure what I'm looking for. Well, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-install-methods.en.html deals with the installation methods and look under section 5.5 "installing from floppy disks". It deals with installing the latest STABLE distribution. Personnaly, I install the base system from an old CD, then edit /etc/apt/sources.list to point to the distribution I want and then do an "apt-get dist-upgrade". When you have installed the base system from CD, sources.list contains entries for the internet setup, but they are commented out. Simply uncomment them and comment out the entries for the CDs. However, the primary servers may be slow, so I recommend using other servers, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/misc/README.mirrors Just use the one closest to you, or when you decide to upgrade to the woody (aka testing) distribution, you can use the apt-spy package to determine the fastest server for you (install and read the man page)
Going down the Rabbit Hole (was: apt-get sources.list question)
--- "Karsten M. Self" wrote: > This is among the reason few seasoned Debian users > install from CD -- base tarball plus boot floppies > is generally sufficient, packages are snared over > the 'Net. Well, I came here to learn, so where would I find documentation outlining this procedure? Or where would I be able to find the base tarball. Looked on Debian's ftp sites, but I'm not sure what I'm looking for. __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com
Re: apt-get sources.list question
On Monday 29 October 2001 03:18, Scott Henson wrote: > > I'm just curious, what exactly are these files? My own mini-Debian > > installer consists of the following files: > > > > base2_2.tgz > > basecont.txt > > drivers.tgz > > kernel-config > > linux > > rescue.bin [2.88MB floppy version] > > > > It would help newbies with a little bandwidth to burn if somebody > > cooks up an official Internet friendly Debian ISO image. Pop the > > mini CD in. Tick whether you want stable, testing or unstable. And > > voila, an up-to-date Debian system. Defenestrate those half-GB+ > > ISO's. > > I was wondering how you burn all of those onto a cd. I know you cant > copy all of those directly to cd. I was wondering what program you > use to burn them, and is there a Windows98 program that does > something like this as well. Thanks. I haven't really used Windows lately for anything than viewing Aki's quicktime videos. But there's a free software project, with both binaries (some for MS) and source code, you might want to check out at: http://www.fokus.gmd.de/research/cc/glone/employees/joerg.schilling/private/cdrecord.html >From there you can download a copy of cdrecord and mkisofs. The unix way of putting files onto a CDR/RW is you use (1) mkisofs to make the filesystem you'll burn with (2) cdrecord. There are several unix/linux GUI frontends for the two programs, but I'm not sure if they will run under MS. The one I often use is: http://xcdroast.org -- Sir Isaac Newton: "If I have seen further, it is by standing on the shoulders of giants."
Re: apt-get sources.list question
On Sunday 28 October 2001 13:04, Karsten M. Self wrote: > on Sat, Oct 27, 2001 at 02:52:50PM +0800, csj ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > On Saturday 27 October 2001 03:17, Karsten M. Self wrote: > > [...] > > It would help newbies with a little bandwidth to burn if somebody > > cooks up an official Internet friendly Debian ISO image. Pop the > > mini CD in. Tick whether you want stable, testing or unstable. And > > voila, an up-to-date Debian system. Defenestrate those half-GB+ > > ISO's. > > http://www.lnx-bbc.org/ > > It's not just a Debian installer, but it's got two of 'em. LNX-BBC > is way fucking cool. Are you sure? The last bbc I downloaded had the install part removed, although I remember downloading (back in my Mandrake days when I couldn't care a hoot) a version that claimed it could. I'm looking toward this 47MB download: http://tathata.org/bbc/1.618/lnx-998008444.iso -- Sir Isaac Newton: "If I have seen further, it is by standing on the shoulders of giants."
RE: apt-get sources.list question
> I'm just curious, what exactly are these files? My own mini-Debian > installer consists of the following files: > > base2_2.tgz > basecont.txt > drivers.tgz > kernel-config > linux > rescue.bin [2.88MB floppy version] > > It would help newbies with a little bandwidth to burn if somebody cooks > up an official Internet friendly Debian ISO image. Pop the mini CD in. > Tick whether you want stable, testing or unstable. And voila, an > up-to-date Debian system. Defenestrate those half-GB+ ISO's. > I was wondering how you burn all of those onto a cd. I know you cant copy all of those directly to cd. I was wondering what program you use to burn them, and is there a Windows98 program that does something like this as well. Thanks.
Re: apt-get sources.list question
on Sat, Oct 27, 2001 at 02:52:50PM +0800, csj ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Saturday 27 October 2001 03:17, Karsten M. Self wrote: > [...[ > > Once you've updated your sources lists from online and switched to > > Woody, you're likely going to find none of the packages on CD are > > considered up to date. This is among the reason few seasoned Debian > > users install from CD -- base tarball plus boot floppies is generally > > sufficient, packages are snared over the 'Net. > > I'm just curious, what exactly are these files? My own mini-Debian > installer consists of the following files: > > base2_2.tgz > basecont.txt > drivers.tgz > kernel-config > linux > rescue.bin [2.88MB floppy version] > > It would help newbies with a little bandwidth to burn if somebody cooks > up an official Internet friendly Debian ISO image. Pop the mini CD in. > Tick whether you want stable, testing or unstable. And voila, an > up-to-date Debian system. Defenestrate those half-GB+ ISO's. http://www.lnx-bbc.org/ It's not just a Debian installer, but it's got two of 'em. LNX-BBC is way fucking cool. Peace. -- Karsten M. Selfhttp://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Home of the brave http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ Land of the free Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html pgpyWuKBC9MLc.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: apt-get sources.list question
On Saturday 27 October 2001 03:17, Karsten M. Self wrote: [...[ > Once you've updated your sources lists from online and switched to > Woody, you're likely going to find none of the packages on CD are > considered up to date. This is among the reason few seasoned Debian > users install from CD -- base tarball plus boot floppies is generally > sufficient, packages are snared over the 'Net. I'm just curious, what exactly are these files? My own mini-Debian installer consists of the following files: base2_2.tgz basecont.txt drivers.tgz kernel-config linux rescue.bin [2.88MB floppy version] It would help newbies with a little bandwidth to burn if somebody cooks up an official Internet friendly Debian ISO image. Pop the mini CD in. Tick whether you want stable, testing or unstable. And voila, an up-to-date Debian system. Defenestrate those half-GB+ ISO's. __ Virus scanning services by Mindgate Systems, Inc http://www.mindgate.net http://www.i-snapinternet.com http://www.pinoybattle.net
Re: apt-get sources.list question
on Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 05:40:00AM -0700, Hamma Scott ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > I've recently had some problems upgrading to Woody after downloading > all the packages for a dist-upgrade. > > I'm wondering if I didn't shoot myself in the foot with the sources I > was pulling from. > > I install from a CD, and first was updating my potato installation, so > I had all those options in the sources.list. > > When I wanted to upgrade to Woody, I commented all those entries in > the CD and potato. My question is should I have kept them entries live > to supliment my Woody upgrade or would the packages they would have > downloaded have just cause more problems? Any advise on this matter > would be appreciated. Once you've updated your sources lists from online and switched to Woody, you're likely going to find none of the packages on CD are considered up to date. This is among the reason few seasoned Debian users install from CD -- base tarball plus boot floppies is generally sufficient, packages are snared over the 'Net. No, you haven't screwed yourself. Peace. -- Karsten M. Selfhttp://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Home of the brave http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ Land of the free Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html pgpPWGqjvL7lW.pgp Description: PGP signature
apt-get sources.list question
I've recently had some problems upgrading to Woody after downloading all the packages for a dist-upgrade. I'm wondering if I didn't shoot myself in the foot with the sources I was pulling from. I install from a CD, and first was updating my potato installation, so I had all those options in the sources.list. When I wanted to upgrade to Woody, I commented all those entries in the CD and potato. My question is should I have kept them entries live to supliment my Woody upgrade or would the packages they would have downloaded have just cause more problems? Any advise on this matter would be appreciated. Scott Hamma __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com
Re: /etc/apt/sources.list question... Where are they?
Subject: Re: /etc/apt/sources.list question... Where are they? Date: Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 10:54:50PM -0500 In reply to:will trillich Quoting will trillich([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > On Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 08:05:02PM -0400, Wayne Topa wrote: > > In reply to:will trillich > > > > Quoting will trillich([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > > # dpkg -S apt-setup > > > base-config: /usr/sbin/apt-setup > > > base-config: /usr/share/debconf/templates/apt-setup.templates > > > base-config: /usr/share/man/man8/apt-setup.8.gz > > > > > > # apt-get install base-config > > > > > > # apt-setup > > > > > > and of course > > > > > > # lynx http://newbieDoc.sourceForge.net/system/apt-get-intro.html > > will > > > > Not in potato or woody, guess the newbies are runing unstable now?? > > i'm running potato -- and dpkg tells me that apt-setup came in > the base-config package. or did i bypass something somehow? Ya got me? I tried apt-cache search, dpkg -S, locate, and whereis on both potato and Woody and came up empty. So thought that you must have moved to the unstable branch. Just checked and found that one of the potato boxes does have apt-setup. Seems that the most recent, bare bones install, is the only box that has base-config installed. I will now retreat to the corner, sit on the stool and put on my dunce cap. Thank you for the latest lesson in 'Just because you can't see it doesn't mean is isn't there'. Excerpt from apt-cache show base-config It can be removed with no ill effects -- now that your Debian system is installed, this package's only useful function is to allow you to reconfigure some of the things it asked you about earlier. I can only guess that one of the many upgrades removed it. I sure don't recall doing it. Thanks Will!! Best regards Wayne -- If your computer says, "Printer out of Paper," this problem cannot be resolved by continuously clicking the "OK" button. ___
Re: /etc/apt/sources.list question... Where are they?
I found that this url was a very informative source for apt-get information http://debian-br.sourceforge.net/docs/sgml/apt-howto-en/online/index.html Don --- Paul Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Craig Dickson wrote: > > > will trillich wrote: > > > > > >># dpkg -S apt-setup > >>base-config: /usr/sbin/apt-setup > >>base-config: > /usr/share/debconf/templates/apt-setup.templates > >>base-config: /usr/share/man/man8/apt-setup.8.gz > >> > > > > apt-setup has one of the least helpful man pages > I've ever seen. Is this > > an interactive program? It doesn't say. How do you > use it? I always > > thought that's what man pages are for... > > > man pages haven't improved much in over 25 years. > Sometimes they are > more useful than others. Fortunately we have also > several other choices > of documentation types and listserves and > newsgroups. > > Paul Scott > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/
Re: /etc/apt/sources.list question... Where are they?
Craig Dickson wrote: will trillich wrote: # dpkg -S apt-setup base-config: /usr/sbin/apt-setup base-config: /usr/share/debconf/templates/apt-setup.templates base-config: /usr/share/man/man8/apt-setup.8.gz apt-setup has one of the least helpful man pages I've ever seen. Is this an interactive program? It doesn't say. How do you use it? I always thought that's what man pages are for... man pages haven't improved much in over 25 years. Sometimes they are more useful than others. Fortunately we have also several other choices of documentation types and listserves and newsgroups. Paul Scott
Re: /etc/apt/sources.list question... Where are they?
On Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 08:05:02PM -0400, Wayne Topa wrote: > In reply to:will trillich > > Quoting will trillich([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > # dpkg -S apt-setup > > base-config: /usr/sbin/apt-setup > > base-config: /usr/share/debconf/templates/apt-setup.templates > > base-config: /usr/share/man/man8/apt-setup.8.gz > > > > # apt-get install base-config > > > > # apt-setup > > > > and of course > > > > # lynx http://newbieDoc.sourceForge.net/system/apt-get-intro.html > will > > Not in potato or woody, guess the newbies are runing unstable now?? i'm running potato -- and dpkg tells me that apt-setup came in the base-config package. or did i bypass something somehow? -- DEBIAN NEWBIE TIP #31 from Will Trillich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : Ever wonder why Debian STABLE SEEMS OUT-OF-DATE? It's because it's STABLE! When enough testing shows a release to be worthy of the "stable" name, it's frozen -- nothing new can be added to it. Gizmo 57.3 might come out the next day, but it won't show up in the stable release. If you want to be on the bleeding edge, try "testing" or "unstable". If you want solid dependability, stick with "stable" and use tried-and-true packages instead of the newfangled ones that might break. Also see http://newbieDoc.sourceForge.net/ ...
Re: /etc/apt/sources.list question... Where are they?
On Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 06:52:39PM -0700, Craig Dickson wrote: > will trillich wrote: > > > # dpkg -S apt-setup > > base-config: /usr/sbin/apt-setup > > base-config: /usr/share/debconf/templates/apt-setup.templates > > base-config: /usr/share/man/man8/apt-setup.8.gz > > apt-setup has one of the least helpful man pages I've ever seen. Is this > an interactive program? It doesn't say. How do you use it? I always > thought that's what man pages are for... seldom does a command-line executable cause damage without your express consent (rm being an exception). try it -- it uses a curses interface (maybe that's configurable somewhere, that's how it works on my potato debian) and asks how to look (cdrom, http, ftp, ...) and where to look (this media? that web address?) very nice. http://newbieDoc.sourceForge.net/system/apt-get-intro.html -- DEBIAN NEWBIE TIP #33 from Brian Potkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : Looking for some good DPKG AND APT TIPS? You'll find a very good introduction at http://www.spack.org/geek/apt-help.html It is, of course, based on the man pages for apt-get and dpkg so you will want to read them as well. Also see http://newbieDoc.sourceForge.net/ ...
Re: /etc/apt/sources.list question... Where are they?
will trillich wrote: > # dpkg -S apt-setup > base-config: /usr/sbin/apt-setup > base-config: /usr/share/debconf/templates/apt-setup.templates > base-config: /usr/share/man/man8/apt-setup.8.gz apt-setup has one of the least helpful man pages I've ever seen. Is this an interactive program? It doesn't say. How do you use it? I always thought that's what man pages are for... Craig
Re: /etc/apt/sources.list question... Where are they?
Subject: Re: /etc/apt/sources.list question... Where are they? Date: Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 04:50:57PM -0500 In reply to:will trillich Quoting will trillich([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 09:52:54AM -0700, Mike Egglestone wrote: > > Hi... > > > > I was wondering if Debian had a spot on their web page where it listed > > the official available sources for the sources.list file? > > # dpkg -S apt-setup > base-config: /usr/sbin/apt-setup > base-config: /usr/share/debconf/templates/apt-setup.templates > base-config: /usr/share/man/man8/apt-setup.8.gz > > # apt-get install base-config > > # apt-setup > > and of course > > # lynx http://newbieDoc.sourceForge.net/system/apt-get-intro.html will Not in potato or woody, guess the newbies are runing unstable now?? -- Real programmers disdain structured programming. Structured programming is for compulsive neurotics who were prematurely toilet-trained. They wear neckties and carefully line up pencils on otherwise clear desks. ___
Re: /etc/apt/sources.list question... Where are they?
On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 09:52:54AM -0700, Mike Egglestone wrote: > Hi... > > I was wondering if Debian had a spot on their web page where it listed > the official available sources for the sources.list file? # dpkg -S apt-setup base-config: /usr/sbin/apt-setup base-config: /usr/share/debconf/templates/apt-setup.templates base-config: /usr/share/man/man8/apt-setup.8.gz # apt-get install base-config # apt-setup and of course # lynx http://newbieDoc.sourceForge.net/system/apt-get-intro.html -- DEBIAN NEWBIE TIP #22 from Will Trillich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : SECURITY-CONSCIOUS? Good! Here's how you can use apt-get to keep your system up-to-date with the latest security patches: in /etc/apt/sources.list include these lines-- deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security potato/updates main contrib non-free deb http://security.debian.org/debian-non-US potato/non-US main contrib non-free deb http://security.debian.org potato/updates main contrib non-free Thereafter, a quick "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" is all you need to keep the gremlins at bay. Also see http://newbieDoc.sourceForge.net/ ...
Re: /etc/apt/sources.list question... Where are they?
On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 09:52:54AM -0700, Mike Egglestone wrote: > I was wondering if Debian had a spot on their web page where it listed > the official available sources for the sources.list file? The page for each release (http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ and http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/) list these. (Oddly, .../unstable/ still points at woody.) Also try http://security.debian.org/. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
/etc/apt/sources.list question... Where are they?
Hi... I was wondering if Debian had a spot on their web page where it listed the official available sources for the sources.list file? thanks Mike ~~Bill, Bill who?~~
