Re: Status of Bookworm
On 4/12/21 13:03, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Sat, Dec 04, 2021 at 12:30:52PM +1100, Keith Bainbridge wrote: netinst is cli only ... what? NO! try sudo tasksel and choose desktop options. xfce is listed The netinst image contains the same installer as the full DVD-1 image does. Good afternoon I tried a netinst using 487M Sep 30 07:22 firmware-testing-amd64-netinst.iso in vbox I chose the standard install (2nd option, rather than graphic install) and tasksel started after the .iso software updated. So maybe Kenneth's problem was no network connection. BUT that should have been reported during the install. Looks like my claim that netinst is cli was from the times I didn't run tasksel. Sorry. -- All the best Keith Bainbridge keithrbaugro...@gmail.com
Re: Status of Bookworm
On Fri, Dec 3, 2021, 9:25 PM Kenneth Parker wrote: > > > On Fri, Dec 3, 2021, 9:33 PM Kenneth Parker wrote: > >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 3, 2021, 9:03 PM Greg Wooledge wrote: >> >>> On Sat, Dec 04, 2021 at 12:30:52PM +1100, Keith Bainbridge wrote: >>> > netinst is cli only >>> >>> ... what? NO! >>> >>> > try >>> > >>> > sudo tasksel >>> > >>> > and choose desktop options. xfce is listed >>> >>> The netinst image contains the same installer as the full DVD-1 image >>> does. >>> >>> The task selection menu that you get at the end of an installation >>> is the same, whether you use netinst or DVD-1. It makes no difference. >>> You can still install a Desktop Environment, or not, as you choose. >>> >> >> This may be User Error (as I am capable of making), but I did not notice >> the usual offer to use Network Mirrors to provide Graphical Environments. >> > > This bugged me, so I blew away a separate Bullseye Minimal vm, so I could > try that Testing version of netinst again. > > I *did* make a User error. I somehow failed to get packages from the > Network the first try. Now, I am happily installing Bookworm on a second, > Virtual Machine. > The miracle of virtualization :-) It doesn't keep you from making mistakes. Instead it helps you make them faster than you could ever imagine before :-) > Careful what options you choose. > > Kenneth Parker > >>
Re: Status of Bookworm
On Fri, Dec 3, 2021, 9:33 PM Kenneth Parker wrote: > > > On Fri, Dec 3, 2021, 9:03 PM Greg Wooledge wrote: > >> On Sat, Dec 04, 2021 at 12:30:52PM +1100, Keith Bainbridge wrote: >> > netinst is cli only >> >> ... what? NO! >> >> > try >> > >> > sudo tasksel >> > >> > and choose desktop options. xfce is listed >> >> The netinst image contains the same installer as the full DVD-1 image >> does. >> >> The task selection menu that you get at the end of an installation >> is the same, whether you use netinst or DVD-1. It makes no difference. >> You can still install a Desktop Environment, or not, as you choose. >> > > This may be User Error (as I am capable of making), but I did not notice > the usual offer to use Network Mirrors to provide Graphical Environments. > This bugged me, so I blew away a separate Bullseye Minimal vm, so I could try that Testing version of netinst again. I *did* make a User error. I somehow failed to get packages from the Network the first try. Now, I am happily installing Bookworm on a second, Virtual Machine. I am refreshing my memory of what lxde will look like. Careful what options you choose. Kenneth Parker >
Re: Status of Bookworm
On Fri, Dec 3, 2021, 9:03 PM Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Sat, Dec 04, 2021 at 12:30:52PM +1100, Keith Bainbridge wrote: > > netinst is cli only > > ... what? NO! > > > try > > > > sudo tasksel > > > > and choose desktop options. xfce is listed > > The netinst image contains the same installer as the full DVD-1 image > does. > > The task selection menu that you get at the end of an installation > is the same, whether you use netinst or DVD-1. It makes no difference. > You can still install a Desktop Environment, or not, as you choose. > This may be User Error (as I am capable of making), but I did not notice the usual offer to use Network Mirrors to provide Graphical Environments. It acted, as if it was the entire source for the System Packages. (Same as if installing Bullseye from netinst without a network). However, I had answered the earlier questions, about my Ethernet Network. So it could have found packages that way. The only difference is the number of packages contained on the > installation medium. With a DVD-1 installer, in theory, if conditions > are ideal, most of the packages you select for installation will come > from the DVD (or USB thingy if you're using one of those), instead of > needing to be downloaded. > > (In practice, any packages that have received updates since the > installation image was created will still need to be downloaded. This > can greatly reduce the usefulness of a DVD-1 image over time.) > > That said, if you want to add new tasks to your system after the > installation has completed, your command is valid. You can use > "sudo tasksel" to get back to the task selection program that you used > during the netinst, or during the DVD-1, installation. > > You could also use "apt install task-whatever" if you know the name of > the metapackage that you want. Anyway, as I stated above, I installed Bookworm from DVD-1 and am now staring at Bookworm's Xfce4 desktop. Thank you, Greg
Re: Status of Bookworm
On Fri, Dec 3, 2021, 8:48 PM Keith Bainbridge wrote: > Good morning Kenneth > > netinst is cli only > > try > > sudo tasksel > > and choose desktop options. xfce is listed > Actually, I went in a different direction: Reformatted the qemu vm, downloaded the Bookworm DVD-1, and am installing now. As you state, Xfce is definitely supported. In other words, I answered my own question. :-) Thank you, Keith. Kenneth Parker On 4/12/21 10:44, Kenneth Parker wrote: > > When reading about changes to Bookworm (i.e. Enforcement of usrmerge), I > > figured that it is worth a qemu Install. So I downloaded the current > > Testing netinst cd and selected Expert Install. > > > > The reason for this email is that it does not give any Graphical Desktop > > options. (I am partial to Xfce, but fluent in the Command Line). > > > > Should I wait? (I am not ready to delve into sid, by the way). > > > > Thanks! > > > > Kenneth Parker > >
Re: Status of Bookworm
On Sat, Dec 04, 2021 at 12:30:52PM +1100, Keith Bainbridge wrote: > netinst is cli only ... what? NO! > try > > sudo tasksel > > and choose desktop options. xfce is listed The netinst image contains the same installer as the full DVD-1 image does. The task selection menu that you get at the end of an installation is the same, whether you use netinst or DVD-1. It makes no difference. You can still install a Desktop Environment, or not, as you choose. The only difference is the number of packages contained on the installation medium. With a DVD-1 installer, in theory, if conditions are ideal, most of the packages you select for installation will come from the DVD (or USB thingy if you're using one of those), instead of needing to be downloaded. (In practice, any packages that have received updates since the installation image was created will still need to be downloaded. This can greatly reduce the usefulness of a DVD-1 image over time.) That said, if you want to add new tasks to your system after the installation has completed, your command is valid. You can use "sudo tasksel" to get back to the task selection program that you used during the netinst, or during the DVD-1, installation. You could also use "apt install task-whatever" if you know the name of the metapackage that you want.
Re: Status of Bookworm
Good morning Kenneth netinst is cli only try sudo tasksel and choose desktop options. xfce is listed All the best Keith Bainbridge keith.bainbridge.3...@gmail.com 0447 667 468 On 4/12/21 10:44, Kenneth Parker wrote: When reading about changes to Bookworm (i.e. Enforcement of usrmerge), I figured that it is worth a qemu Install. So I downloaded the current Testing netinst cd and selected Expert Install. The reason for this email is that it does not give any Graphical Desktop options. (I am partial to Xfce, but fluent in the Command Line). Should I wait? (I am not ready to delve into sid, by the way). Thanks! Kenneth Parker
Status of Bookworm
When reading about changes to Bookworm (i.e. Enforcement of usrmerge), I figured that it is worth a qemu Install. So I downloaded the current Testing netinst cd and selected Expert Install. The reason for this email is that it does not give any Graphical Desktop options. (I am partial to Xfce, but fluent in the Command Line). Should I wait? (I am not ready to delve into sid, by the way). Thanks! Kenneth Parker
