Re: THIRD TIME ... Please help !

1998-10-18 Thread marvin stodolsky
Ivan,
From the info supplied, it seems you may have some yet Ill defined
incompatibility between, Linux and your ATAPI CD, since the CD does
work  under
Win95.  You can try reading another CDROM. just do assess whether
(unlikely) some problem with the Debian CD)
 This is only a slight difficulty so far as installation goes. I' ve had
to proceed as follows to install Debian in a minimal partition on a
Win95 dedicated company Laptop. Some of the following is just copied
form the standard Installation directions. Be sure to read them.

1) Make a LX (linux) folder in your WIN95 partition and copy the
following files from your CDROM:

2) resc1440.bin, drv1440.bin, base2_0.tgz, root.bin, linux, install.bat
and
  loadlin.exe, Rawrit2.exe, and the Packages file from hamm on the
CD.
Also  to make your mouse usefull fast also copy in:
gpm-.deb from  Section misc  , where  - herein indicates the version
info
gpm  is  GeneralPurposeMouse 
libgpm1  from Section libs  which is needed by gpm.
Also at this stage I prepare for the powerfull file manager 
mc-Midnight Commander, which would additional require:
libcomerr-.deb, from Section Lib
libext2fs-.deb"
libgpmg1-.deb"
slang-.deb Section oldlibs
mc-.deb   from Section utils

3) Use Rawrit2 to make the Rescue floppy

4) During the Installation starting from the rescue floppy,
specify when requested that /dev/hda1/lx  has the installation files 
During the kernel/modules configuration  
do specify the  vfat  module so you can read long file names within your
Win95 partition.   

5) When the base installation is done
you'll go through a reboot
some etc
and  dselect will be brought up.  
Record the  DSELECT command but QUIT from that menu.

6) Enter   script  Today.txt  
to automatically record what you are doing in  Today.txt, 
  which is terminated by   exitlater
It's nice at this point to see things in color by
alias ls="ls --color"
or by editing your .bashrc   file   by   ae  .bashrc
followed  by a source  .bashrcto implement
Do an ls  /to see the colorization effect
  
7) Get the mouse working with
mount /dev/hda1 -t vfat /mnt
  dpkg-i /mnt/lx/libgpmg-.deb
  dpkg-i /mnt/lx/gpm-.deb
Now you are enabled to Mark with left button  by hold&drag
and  Copy-onto with right button.
Thus later recording long file names and text blocks won't be a pain.

Do Alt-F2 and login as root to the 2nd console.
ae   to start an elementary  editor, into which you can copy needed
info.
You get between console screens with Alt-F1, Alt-F2, Alt-F3 etc.
I recommend that now you similarly install  mc
via   dpkg-i /mnt/lx/(the list for mc stuff above, one at a time).
With  mc  you can now start looking through your installation in
progress to see what is going.  dpkg and dselect use subdirectories of
/var/lib/dpkg to operate.
You can read therein, but DO NOT alter files.


8) See if you can run   pppconfig, 
pon  (provider on line by ppp)   after completing your ppp
configuration  
and connect with your IP at this point.
You can monitor your  ppp attempts withcat /var/log/ppp.log

9) At this point under   dselect
You can try doing the rest of the Installation from 
a) the cranky CDROM 
b) by FTP if your access time  isn't costly
or 10

10)  within  dselect
a) under ACCESS methods, specify   Mounted
   Specify that  the Packages file is in  /mnt/lx  
b) UPDATE  from the Packages file
c) within SELECT, there will already be indicated a large number of
files recommended to enrich your installation.  
write them down or Copy into your  open ae docment
including the section they are in/
d) when done Save the ae file, say  needed.txt
and copy it   cp needed.txt /mnt/lx
QUIT dselect
e) reboot and  open Win95
f) copy needed files from the CDROM into C:\lx
g) reboot under linux
h) start  dselectand install the files from the C:\lx.

The common hardest part of these options is getting used to  
dselect
which doesn't at all mind being aborted with Ctrl-C and restarted later.

MarvS
 
=
>Ivan wrote:
> 
> At 11:56 AM 18-10-98 +0100, you wrote:
> >
> >> I have recently purchased hamm on cd from dvd rent (Victoria, Australia)
> >> and tried MANY times to install
> >
> >You might want to try making a set of rescue floppies and booting from
> >those...
> >
> >Matthew



Re: THIRD TIME ... Please help !

1998-10-18 Thread john
Ruud de Bruin writes:
 > Ivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 > 
 > > I have recently purchased hamm on cd from dvd rent (Victoria, Australia)
 > > and tried MANY times to install
 > 
 > > However, i get consistent errors:
 > 
 > > hdc: irq timeout: statue 0xd0
 > > hdc: ATAPI reset complete
 > > hdc: irq timeout: status 0xd0
 > > end_request: I/O error, dev=16:00, sector 
 > 
 > Maybe the CDROM is broken? I've ordered some time ago Debian 2.0 from a US
 > company and had the same kind of errors. After receiving a replacement CD
 > for free the problem was solved.
 > 
 > Regards, Ruud.
 
Try lsl - http://www.lsl.com.au
I've had several CD sets of Debian from them, with never a
problem. Will cost about $12, but you wouldn't have to wait on AusPost 
as I did..

John.


Re: THIRD TIME ... Please help !

1998-10-18 Thread Ivan
At 11:56 AM 18-10-98 +0100, you wrote:
>
>> I have recently purchased hamm on cd from dvd rent (Victoria, Australia)
>> and tried MANY times to install
>
>You might want to try making a set of rescue floppies and booting from
>those...
>
>Matthew 
>

Matthew,

appreciate your help but i wonder whether that will enable me to load the
rest of the installation from the cd as that is the biggest problem i have
at the moment.

what do you (or others) think ?

Ivan


Re: THIRD TIME ... Please help !

1998-10-18 Thread M.C. Vernon

> I have recently purchased hamm on cd from dvd rent (Victoria, Australia)
> and tried MANY times to install

You might want to try making a set of rescue floppies and booting from
those...

Matthew 

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Re: THIRD TIME ... Please help !

1998-10-18 Thread Ruud de Bruin
Ivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello again,

> I have recently purchased hamm on cd from dvd rent (Victoria, Australia)
> and tried MANY times to install

> However, i get consistent errors:

> hdc: irq timeout: statue 0xd0
> hdc: ATAPI reset complete
> hdc: irq timeout: status 0xd0
> end_request: I/O error, dev=16:00, sector 

Maybe the CDROM is broken? I've ordered some time ago Debian 2.0 from a US
company and had the same kind of errors. After receiving a replacement CD
for free the problem was solved.

Regards, Ruud.


THIRD TIME ... Please help !

1998-10-18 Thread Ivan

Hello again,

I have recently purchased hamm on cd from dvd rent (Victoria, Australia)
and tried MANY times to install

However, i get consistent errors:

hdc: irq timeout: statue 0xd0
hdc: ATAPI reset complete
hdc: irq timeout: status 0xd0
end_request: I/O error, dev=16:00, sector 

note thaat  is a number that changes on every occurrentce of the error

i also noted on 1 occasion that statue 0x00 was reported (can't perfectly
recall the rest of the erorr but i 
believe it was as above except the status changed

sometimes this just loops for a while, other times dselect advises that the
file is non-existant (when you know and i know fine well that the file DOES
exist) then continues and other times dselect just carries on
unpacking/skipping files.  when dselect does continue, the cd rom behaves
as though there was chewing gum around the spindle - incredibly slow

Also, it is often that the cd rom will refuse to boot or boots VERRRY
slowly when booting from it.

So far i have tried:

warm booting from cd (so windows drivers stay in place ?)
cold booting (including leaving machine turned off overnight in case cd rom
was overheating)
booting from DOS

and have on 1/3 tries managed to get to dselect where sooner or later
(normally sooner!) above errors appear

i have also tried, after having installed the base system:

*  edit /etc/lilo.conf; insert "hdc=cdrom / hdc=noprobe" as two seperate
lines in file (picked this up from an old post to this list - i'm sorry to
say that i don't know what it is supposed to do or whether it is correct ?)

*  edit /etc/lilo.conf; insert "hdc=cdrom hdc=serialize" as two
seperate lines in file (see above - sorry)

*  mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdc /cdrom and asking dselect to read to from
mounted partition

*  edit /etc/fstab; insert "/dev/hdciso9660 /cdrom"; don't reboot/reboot
(both) immediately after editing file and asking dselect to read from
partition listed in /etc/fstab

i have also discovered that i cannot ftp to myself at the moment !

i started copying the whole cd to my linux partition but after waiting 10
minutes or more (without errors though) reset the machine figuring there
wouldn't be enough room for the whole cd plus the installation (maybe not
enough for the cd alone ?) just to prove that the cd was readable

windows reads the cd well enough and i have traversed the entire directory
tree trying to get windows to report an error - no result

the cdrom is an ATAPI 24X Diamond Data (which i believe is manufactured by
Mitsubishi)

other h/ware is a 2Gb hard-drive make unknown (sorry again!)
a sb-16 (genuine) - either it came packaged with the cd rom or the other
way round
2Mb S3d ViRGE video card
P133
1.44Mb floppy
32Mb RAM
33.6K modem

so far i have achieved
- getting reasonably silly on some lovely, very expensive red wine that i
was saving
- avoiding throwing said red wine all over computer
- massive amounts of frustration
- deep regrets that i didn't further congest the i/net bandwidth by ftp'ing
the whole distribution (as i have done about 3 times previously)

any help given will be deeply appreciated