Re: Troubleshooting (was "Re: DEBIAN 1.2 DISKETTE PROBLEMS UPDATE")
Syrus Nemat-Nasser writes: [snip] > read it. Please don't feel concerned that this list is too technical for > the simpler questions. All of us were new to Linux and Debian at one > time. IMHO, the best thing that a "newbie" can do is RTFM when they can The problem with RTFM is sometime the "manual" is too big and one gets lost trying to figure out where to start (or too much info to absorb in the first pass through) > find it, and ask the simple questions when they can't find the docs. > Then, answer the simple questions when the next "newbie" comes along. At > that point, you're not a "newbie" any more, so maybe you're just a "bie"? This is the "best" solution. When you get settled in (i.e. not a 'newby'), you pickup the torch and help those 'newbies' who are desperate 8-) and need assurance that they will be helped. One of the best aspects of this list is the _friendly_ help one gets even if the question has already been asked 100 times. I find that when I have a question about a subject, I read this list for a week or so before asking. A lot of times, someone has already asked the question and there are the answers! 8-) -- -= Sent by Debian 1.2 Linux =- Thomas Kocourek KD4CIK [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Troubleshooting (was "Re: DEBIAN 1.2 DISKETTE PROBLEMS UPDATE")
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Daniel S. Barclay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > >> From: "Mark W. Blunier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Maybe we should start a new mailing list, debian-dumb-questions. >> It would cut my traffic down from debian-user. > >Should there be a debian-newbie? > >(I don't know how much debian-user is new-user questions and how much it's >other stuff.) > >Daniel > > >-- >TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > debian-newuser sounds like a good idea i.e. someone new to Debian and the way that Debian does things as well as those new to the whole concept of Linux. Debian can be confusing if coming from Slackware / Red Hat / (BSDi / Solaris / HP UX / other). Andy -- Andrew Martin Adrian Cater -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Troubleshooting (was "Re: DEBIAN 1.2 DISKETTE PROBLEMS UPDATE")
> "Keith" == Keith Leonard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Keith> The only dumb question is the one not asked. Maybe a newbie Keith> list should be setup so that these questions won't bother Keith> the people that are tired of answering the same old stuff Keith> (which isn't old to the newbie trying desperately to get Keith> his (or her) system running. Or perhaps we should just let Keith> them give up and return to the greedy world of commercial Keith> software and keep all this good stuff to ourselves. Hear, hear, Keith! I agree we should encourage people who are just starting out to be forthcoming with questions after making a college attempt to find the answer in the fine manuals available. Keith> Perhaps a mailing list called debian-knowitall would be Keith> good, then that mail would be cut to nothing, since no one Keith> would (or could) admit to being baffled by the system. Keith> Sorry for getting hot under the colar (sp?) but it burns my Keith> tail feather when I see people spitting from their ivory Keith> tower. Remember, though: the only appropriate reply to a flame is no reply at all. -- Nathan L. Cutler Linux Enthusiast http://www.cise.ufl.edu/~nlc -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Troubleshooting (was "Re: DEBIAN 1.2 DISKETTE PROBLEMS UPDATE")
On Mon, 13 Jan 1997, Daniel S. Barclay wrote: > > > From: "Mark W. Blunier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Maybe we should start a new mailing list, debian-dumb-questions. > > It would cut my traffic down from debian-user. > > Should there be a debian-newbie? The problem with such a list would be that fewer experienced users would read it. Please don't feel concerned that this list is too technical for the simpler questions. All of us were new to Linux and Debian at one time. IMHO, the best thing that a "newbie" can do is RTFM when they can find it, and ask the simple questions when they can't find the docs. Then, answer the simple questions when the next "newbie" comes along. At that point, you're not a "newbie" any more, so maybe you're just a "bie"? Syrus. -- Syrus Nemat-Nasser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>UCSD Physics Dept. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Troubleshooting (was "Re: DEBIAN 1.2 DISKETTE PROBLEMS UPDATE")
On Mon, 13 Jan 1997, Daniel S. Barclay wrote: > > > From: "Mark W. Blunier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Maybe we should start a new mailing list, debian-dumb-questions. > > It would cut my traffic down from debian-user. > > Should there be a debian-newbie? Newbie questions should be asked on debian-user. Dumb questions should be asked on debian-devel. :-) Richard G. Roberto [EMAIL PROTECTED] 011-81-3-3437-7967 - Tokyo, Japan -- *** Bear Stearns is not responsible for any recommendation, solicitation, offer or agreement or any information about any transaction, customer account or account activity contained in this communication. *** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Troubleshooting (was "Re: DEBIAN 1.2 DISKETTE PROBLEMS UPDATE")
Howdy, Here's my two cents worth: The only dumb question is the one not asked. Maybe a newbie list should be setup so that these questions won't bother the people that are tired of answering the same old stuff (which isn't old to the newbie trying desperately to get his (or her) system running. Or perhaps we should just let them give up and return to the greedy world of commercial software and keep all this good stuff to ourselves. Perhaps a mailing list called debian-knowitall would be good, then that mail would be cut to nothing, since no one would (or could) admit to being baffled by the system. Sorry for getting hot under the colar (sp?) but it burns my tail feather when I see people spitting from their ivory tower. > > > From: "Mark W. Blunier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Maybe we should start a new mailing list, debian-dumb-questions. > > It would cut my traffic down from debian-user. Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Character is what you are in the dark - John Warfin -- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Troubleshooting (was "Re: DEBIAN 1.2 DISKETTE PROBLEMS UPDATE")
On Mon, 13 Jan 1997, Daniel S. Barclay wrote: > > From: "Mark W. Blunier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Maybe we should start a new mailing list, debian-dumb-questions. > > It would cut my traffic down from debian-user. > > Should there be a debian-newbie? Maybe debian-setup? debian-help? What's happening on debian-talk? Michael Stutz | DESIGN SCIENCE LABS http://dsl.org/m | Hypermedia, Internet, Linux/GNU bumper stickers,indie rock,rants | Linux: http://dsl.org -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Troubleshooting (was "Re: DEBIAN 1.2 DISKETTE PROBLEMS UPDATE")
> From: "Mark W. Blunier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Maybe we should start a new mailing list, debian-dumb-questions. > It would cut my traffic down from debian-user. Should there be a debian-newbie? (I don't know how much debian-user is new-user questions and how much it's other stuff.) Daniel -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Troubleshooting (was "Re: DEBIAN 1.2 DISKETTE PROBLEMS UPDATE")
> Joseph> I really do appreciate the > Joseph> help that incompetents like me can get from more expert > Joseph> individuals -- but how do we get to be able to fix stuff > Joseph> for ourselves ??? > > That's a very interesting question. I've often found myself getting > desperate and going to a listserv for help, only to arrive at a > solution to the problem (by troubleshooting, BTW) minutes after > sending off a desperate message to hundreds or even thousands of > people... > > Perhaps the answer is 'patience'. > Maybe we should start a new mailing list, debian-dumb-questions. It would cut my traffic down from debian-user. Mark > > > -- > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Troubleshooting (was "Re: DEBIAN 1.2 DISKETTE PROBLEMS UPDATE")
> "Joseph" == Joseph L Hartmann, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Joseph> I really do appreciate the Joseph> help that incompetents like me can get from more expert Joseph> individuals -- but how do we get to be able to fix stuff Joseph> for ourselves ??? That's a very interesting question. I've often found myself getting desperate and going to a listserv for help, only to arrive at a solution to the problem (by troubleshooting, BTW) minutes after sending off a desperate message to hundreds or even thousands of people... Perhaps the answer is 'patience'. -- Nathan L. Cutler Linux Enthusiast http://www.cise.ufl.edu/~nlc -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
