Re: UTF-8 locale, strange chars in X terminal pager(s), specifically man pages
Hi, On Saturday 02 Oct 2004 12:50:25 +0200, Osamu Aoki wrote: Who said Debian has moved completely to UTF-8 ? man, aptitude I thought these are not UTF ready. See BTS. I wish these were. So if you do, you need multiple locales. I suggest creating custom meny for xterm started with en_US.ISO-8859-1. I retract this comment. It looks like UTF-8 issues has been resolved as I used to experience. I can see man pages in UTF-8 for English OK as a quick look. Even ja_JP.UTF-8 looks good. But there may be monir issues left for man. aptitude now has no issues with CJK with UTF-8 since it was disabled and forced to use english. Oh, you may want to check pager with update-alternatives. pager - status is manual. link currently points to /usr/bin/lv /bin/more - priority 50 /usr/bin/less - priority 77 slave pager.1.gz: /usr/share/man/man1/less.1.gz /usr/bin/w3m - priority 25 slave pager.1.gz: /usr/share/man/man1/w3m.1.gz /usr/bin/lv - priority 80 slave pager.1.gz: /usr/share/man/man1/lv.1.gz Current `best' version is /usr/bin/lv. Osamu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UTF-8 locale, strange chars in X terminal pager(s), specifically man pages
On 2004-09-30 10:18:45 -0500, Frederick B. Henry Jr. wrote: On Thursday 30 Sep 2004 16:39:20 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: It may be a problem with your terminal. I've attached a small file containing characters in UTF-8. Could you save it and cat it in your terminal to see if there are problems? In aterm, it has problems; in (u)xterm, none. So perhaps it is a problem with my aterm setup. In aterm, TERM is set to rxvt; in (u)xterm TERM is set to xterm. Yes, there is a problem with your aterm setup (or perhaps aterm doesn't support UTF-8, I don't know). So, just do your tests with (u)xterm to solve the problems with man. And despite the fact that the file you attached displays fine in (u)xterm, I still get the funny chars in man pages. Does my file display fine with the pager you're using with man? (Warning if you're using less, as some versions have problems with UTF-8.) -- Vincent Lefèvre [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Web: http://www.vinc17.org/ 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: http://www.vinc17.org/blog/ Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / SPACES project at LORIA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UTF-8 locale, strange chars in X terminal pager(s), specifically man pages
On 2004-10-01 22:52:49 -0500, Frederick B. Henry Jr. wrote: I note some differences with your output...just not sure how to interpret them. :( It seems to be OK. You have the ASCII hyphen, and the correct UTF-8 sequence for the copyright symbol. If you do man cat and look at the COPYRIGHT section at the end, can you see the copyright symbol between Copyright and 2004? If not, this is probably a problem with your pager. -- Vincent Lefèvre [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Web: http://www.vinc17.org/ 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: http://www.vinc17.org/blog/ Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / SPACES project at LORIA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UTF-8 locale, strange chars in X terminal pager(s), specifically man pages
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Frederick B. Henry Jr.) writes: I note some differences with your output...just not sure how to interpret them. :( They are likely not to be significant; you just seem to have a different version of the man page. If you type PAGER=cat man cat do you see a coypright symbol in the Copyright (C) 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc. line (i.e., in the place where I have written (C) here)? If you type printf \\302\\251\\n do you see a copyright symbol? If you type printf \\342\\200\\220\\n do you see a small hyphen (i.e. something somewhat smaller than what you get when you hit the - key)? If your answer to the second and third question is yes, try to pipe the output of each command to a pager, e.g. printf \\342\\200\\220\\n | less In place of less, try each pager which you also tried with man. Martin -- ,--. ,= ,-_-. =. / ,- )Martin Dickopp, Dresden, Germany((_/)o o(\_)) \ `-'http://www.zero-based.org/`-'(. .)`-' `-. \_/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UTF-8 locale, strange chars in X terminal pager(s), specifically man pages
Hi, On Thu, Sep 30, 2004 at 12:03:49AM -0500, Frederick B. Henry Jr. wrote: Greetings, Context: Debian unstable. I have the ucs fonts package installed, as well as several classical polytonic Greek fonts, which render very well in Mozilla Firefox. I can start an xterm thusly: ... Since switching my locale to en_US.UTF-8 (dpkg-reconfigure locales), whenever I use any pager (more, less, most) to read a man page I get strange chars, e.g.: Who said Debian has moved completely to UTF-8 ? man, aptitude I thought these are not UTF ready. See BTS. I wish these were. So if you do, you need multiple locales. I suggest creating custom meny for xterm started with en_US.ISO-8859-1. More on it in my Debian Reference around 9.7.9 Example for a multilingual X window system: http://www.nl.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tune.en.html#s-x-cjk Or get it from testing debian-reference-en package and follow menu under Help (Debian menu). Cheers, Osamu PS: I am thinking UTF-8 transition helper script ... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UTF-8 locale, strange chars in X terminal pager(s), specifically man pages
On Saturday 02 Oct 2004 12:43:08 +0200, Martin Dickopp wrote: If you type PAGER=cat man cat do you see a coypright symbol in the Copyright (C) 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc. line (i.e., in the place where I have written (C) here)? If you type printf \\302\\251\\n do you see a copyright symbol? If you type printf \\342\\200\\220\\n do you see a small hyphen (i.e. something somewhat smaller than what you get when you hit the - key)? If your answer to the second and third question is yes, try to pipe the output of each command to a pager, e.g. printf \\342\\200\\220\\n | less In place of less, try each pager which you also tried with man. If I use the above commands in uxterm, all is well. I see the copyright symbol and the small hyphen. Of course, aterm is a no go, but that is not a surprise. So I tried the following pagers: cat, less, more, most. (I was enjoying most for the colorization) It ultimately does seem to be a PAGER problem, since with every pager but most, when used in a uxterm, the man pages render perfectly well with no odd symbols. It seems the culprit was most. As a final minor issue, not critical for me by any means, when I use a working pager like less to view the UTF-8-demon.txt file, the only text that gives a problem (boxes) is Amharic Ethiopian. Thank you, as well as the other respondents, for all your patient assistance. Cheers, Fred Henry, Jr. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UTF-8 locale, strange chars in X terminal pager(s), specifically man pages
On Saturday 02 Oct 2004 10:52:28 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: On 2004-10-01 22:52:49 -0500, Frederick B. Henry Jr. wrote: I note some differences with your output...just not sure how to interpret them. :( It seems to be OK. You have the ASCII hyphen, and the correct UTF-8 sequence for the copyright symbol. If you do man cat and look at the COPYRIGHT section at the end, can you see the copyright symbol between Copyright and 2004? If not, this is probably a problem with your pager. Yes, I'm pretty certain now that the issue was the most pager. Cheers, Fred Henry, Jr. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UTF-8 locale, strange chars in X terminal pager(s), specifically man pages
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Frederick B. Henry Jr.) writes: As a final minor issue, not critical for me by any means, when I use a working pager like less to view the UTF-8-demon.txt file, the only text that gives a problem (boxes) is Amharic Ethiopian. Same here. It seems the X11 fonts do not (yet?) provide glyphs for that language. Martin -- ,--. ,= ,-_-. =. / ,- )Martin Dickopp, Dresden, Germany((_/)o o(\_)) \ `-'http://www.zero-based.org/`-'(. .)`-' `-. \_/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UTF-8 locale, strange chars in X terminal pager(s), specifically man pages
On Friday 01 Oct 2004 01:52:13 +0200, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Martin Dickopp [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004.10.01.0135 +0200]: On Thursday 30 September 2004 13:03, Frederick B. Henry Jr. wrote: Greetings, Since switching my locale to en_US.UTF-8 (dpkg-reconfigure locales), whenever I use any pager (more, less, most) to read a man page I get strange chars, e.g.: what terminal emulator do you use? do you get the problem if you use rxvt-unicode? The problem occurs regardless of which terminal emulator I use. I typically use aterm, but uxterm, unicode rxvt etc does not help. Fred Henry, Jr. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UTF-8 locale, strange chars in X terminal pager(s), specifically man pages
On Friday 01 Oct 2004 01:54:19 +0200, Martin Dickopp wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Frederick B. Henry Jr.) writes: Context: Debian unstable. [...] Since switching my locale to en_US.UTF-8 (dpkg-reconfigure locales), I think dpkg-reconfigure locales takes of that, but just to be sure, could you verify that /etc/locale.gen contains a line en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8 It does indeed. If you re-run locale-gen as root, does that emit any error messages? No errors. whenever I use any pager (more, less, most) to read a man page I get strange chars, e.g.: man procmailrc (PAGER=/usr/bin/most) yields: delivering and [EMAIL PROTECTED] recipes.. That intercalating pattern -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- is throughout the man page. To find out if it's a problem of man or the pager, use cat as pager. In particular, what does PAGER=cat man cat | hexdump -C | grep ^06 [snip your hexdump] Here is the output of your command on my box: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ PAGER=cat man cat | hexdump -C | grep ^06 Reformatting cat(1), please wait... 0600 20 47 72 61 6e 6c 75 6e 64 20 61 6e 64 20 52 69 | Granlund and Ri| 0610 63 68 61 72 64 20 4d 2e 20 53 74 61 6c 6c 6d 61 |chard M. Stallma| 0620 6e 2e 0a 0a 52 08 52 45 08 45 50 08 50 4f 08 4f |n...R.RE.EP.PO.O| 0630 52 08 52 54 08 54 49 08 49 4e 08 4e 47 08 47 20 |R.RT.TI.IN.NG.G | 0640 42 08 42 55 08 55 47 08 47 53 08 53 0a 20 20 20 |B.BU.UG.GS.S. | 0650 20 20 20 20 52 65 70 6f 72 74 20 62 75 67 73 20 |Report bugs | 0660 74 6f 20 3c 62 75 67 2d 63 6f 72 65 75 74 69 6c |to bug-coreutil| 0670 73 40 67 6e 75 2e 6f 72 67 3e 2e 0a 0a 43 08 43 |[EMAIL PROTECTED]...C.C| 0680 4f 08 4f 50 08 50 59 08 59 52 08 52 49 08 49 47 |O.OP.PY.YR.RI.IG| 0690 08 47 48 08 48 54 08 54 0a 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 |.GH.HT.T. | 06a0 43 6f 70 79 72 69 67 68 74 20 c2 a9 20 32 30 30 |Copyright .. 200| 06b0 34 20 46 72 65 65 20 53 6f 66 74 77 61 72 65 20 |4 Free Software | 06c0 46 6f 75 6e 64 61 74 69 6f 6e 2c 20 49 6e 63 2e |Foundation, Inc.| 06d0 0a 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 54 68 69 73 20 69 73 20 |. This is | 06e0 66 72 65 65 20 73 6f 66 74 77 61 72 65 3b 20 73 |free software; s| 06f0 65 65 20 74 68 65 20 73 6f 75 72 63 65 20 66 6f |ee the source fo| I note some differences with your output...just not sure how to interpret them. :( Fred Henry, Jr. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UTF-8 locale, strange chars in X terminal pager(s), specifically man pages
On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 00:03:49 -0500, Frederick B. Henry Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings, Context: Debian unstable. I have the ucs fonts package installed, as well as several classical polytonic Greek fonts, which render very well in Mozilla Firefox. I can start an xterm thusly: xterm -u8 -fn \ '-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso10646-1' It displays the UTF-8-demo.txt file nicely, with the sole exception of Amharic Ethiopian, which is displayed as outline boxes per character. Since switching my locale to en_US.UTF-8 (dpkg-reconfigure locales), whenever I use any pager (more, less, most) to read a man page I get strange chars, e.g.: man procmailrc (PAGER=/usr/bin/most) yields: delivering and [EMAIL PROTECTED] recipes.. [...] Can most (your pager) support UTF8? Have you tried to use less instead? Andrea
Re: UTF-8 locale, strange chars in X terminal pager(s), specifically man pages
On Thursday 30 Sep 2004 08:43:40 +0200, Andrea Vettorello wrote: On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 00:03:49 -0500, Frederick B. Henry Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Context: Debian unstable. I have the ucs fonts package installed, as well as several classical polytonic Greek fonts, which render very well in Mozilla Firefox. I can start an xterm thusly: xterm -u8 -fn \ '-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso10646-1' It displays the UTF-8-demo.txt file nicely, with the sole exception of Amharic Ethiopian, which is displayed as outline boxes per character. Since switching my locale to en_US.UTF-8 (dpkg-reconfigure locales), whenever I use any pager (more, less, most) to read a man page I get strange chars, e.g.: man procmailrc (PAGER=/usr/bin/most) yields: delivering and [EMAIL PROTECTED] recipes.. [...] Can most (your pager) support UTF8? Have you tried to use less instead? See above. I have tried three pagers: more, less, most. I thought that if the xterm had the proper and useable unicode font it should not be a problem. I have tried those three pagers, and they all yield the same result. I have tried uxterm and mlterm as well--same result. Please correct me if my font selection is way off. Regards, Fred henry, Jr. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UTF-8 locale, strange chars in X terminal pager(s), specifically man pages
On Thursday 30 September 2004 13:03, Frederick B. Henry Jr. wrote: Greetings, Since switching my locale to en_US.UTF-8 (dpkg-reconfigure locales), whenever I use any pager (more, less, most) to read a man page I get strange chars, e.g.: AFAIK, 'man' does not support UTF-8. Bad luck. :) Take a look here when the page is online again. http://www.jw-stumpel.nl/stestu Cheers Arne -- Arne Gtje () [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Spam catcher. Address might change in future!) PGP/GnuPG key: 1024D/685D1E8C Fingerprint: 2056 F6B7 DEA8 B478 311F 1C34 6E9F D06E 685D 1E8C Key available at wwwkeys.pgp.net. Encrypted e-mail preferred. pgpJOEsr8X98T.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: UTF-8 locale, strange chars in X terminal pager(s), specifically man pages
On Thursday 30 Sep 2004 15:06:56 +0800, Arne G?tje (?) wrote: AFAIK, 'man' does not support UTF-8. Bad luck. :) Take a look here when the page is online again. http://www.jw-stumpel.nl/stestu Thanks Arne, I'll save the url. Ironic, given the intent of unicode, that man pages of all things would be marginalized. I can still read them...I guess it's a minor annoyance :) fbhjr -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UTF-8 locale, strange chars in X terminal pager(s), specifically man pages
On 2004-09-30 00:03:49 -0500, Frederick B. Henry Jr. wrote: Since switching my locale to en_US.UTF-8 (dpkg-reconfigure locales), whenever I use any pager (more, less, most) to read a man page I get strange chars, e.g.: man procmailrc (PAGER=/usr/bin/most) yields: delivering and [EMAIL PROTECTED] recipes.. In an UTF-8 sequence, you shouldn't have a ^P; this is strange. Now, Debian doesn't use the non-ASCII hyphen to make searching in man pages easier (see /etc/groff/man.local). So, this seems to be a bug in the procmailrc page (or perhaps the non-ASCII hyphen is normal in this special context). On my machine, I don't see any problem, perhaps because I have uncommented the last two lines of . \ Many UTF-8 man pages use - instead of \- for dashes such as those . \ in command-line options. This is a bug in those pages, but if you want . \ all hyphens to be rendered as the ASCII-compatible HYPHEN-MINUS . \ anyway, then uncomment this. . \ if '\*[.T]'utf8' \ . \ char - \N'45' (more precisely, I copied both files from /etc/groff to $HOME/etc/groff, uncommented these lines and set GROFF_TMAC_PATH to $HOME/etc/groff). BTW, I've tried after unsetting GROFF_TMAC_PATH, and this non-ASCII hyphen (shorter than the ASCII one) displays without any problem (in a UXTerm, i.e. XTerm with UTF-8 locales and UTF-8 fonts). Is there some specific font I should be using? How do I get a clean man page in an xterm/aterm/rxvt/mlterm with a UTF-8 locale? If you use UXTerm, the fonts are already set up: /etc/X11/app-defaults/XTerm contains *VT100.utf8Fonts.font2: -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--8-80-75-75-c-50-iso10646-1 *VT100.utf8Fonts.font: -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso10646-1 *VT100.utf8Fonts.font3: -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--14-130-75-75-c-70-iso10646-1 *VT100.utf8Fonts.font4: -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--13-120-75-75-c-80-iso10646-1 *VT100.utf8Fonts.font5: -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--18-120-100-100-c-90-iso10646-1 *VT100.utf8Fonts.font6: -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--20-200-75-75-c-100-iso10646-1 -- Vincent Lefèvre [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Web: http://www.vinc17.org/ 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: http://www.vinc17.org/blog/ Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / SPACES project at LORIA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UTF-8 locale, strange chars in X terminal pager(s), specifically man pages
On Thursday 30 Sep 2004 09:39:50 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: In an UTF-8 sequence, you shouldn't have a ^P; this is strange. Now, Debian doesn't use the non-ASCII hyphen to make searching in man pages easier (see /etc/groff/man.local). So, this seems to be a bug in the procmailrc page (or perhaps the non-ASCII hyphen is normal in this special context). On my machine, I don't see any problem, perhaps because I have uncommented the last two lines of . \ Many UTF-8 man pages use - instead of \- for dashes such as those . \ in command-line options. This is a bug in those pages, but if you want . \ all hyphens to be rendered as the ASCII-compatible HYPHEN-MINUS . \ anyway, then uncomment this. . \ if '\*[.T]'utf8' \ . \ char - \N'45' After uncommenting the above last two lines in both /etc/groff/man.local and /etc/groff/mdoc.local, I still get the strange characters, which appear not to be limited to the hyphen issue. Man netstat, for example, at the very top of the page: Linux [EMAIL PROTECTED] Manual in aterm as well as uxterm. My /etc/app-defaults/XTerm has the same font config lines as yours. Again, this is in *any* pager and with many man pages that I have tested. Another solution which someone was kind enough to send me was to set LC_ALL to C before every invocation of man, which works, but seems kludgy. I suppose if man is ultimately incapable of handling a utf-8 locale then that may have to be the solution (?). (BTW, in my locale output the only var unset is LC_ALL -- all the others are set to en_US.UTF-8) Cheers, Fred Henry, Jr. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UTF-8 locale, strange chars in X terminal pager(s), specifically man pages
On 2004-09-30 08:54:01 -0500, Frederick B. Henry Jr. wrote:
Another solution which someone was kind enough to send me was to set
LC_ALL to C before every invocation of man, which works, but
seems kludgy.
This just deactivates non-ASCII characters, which should be replaced
by ASCII characters.
I suppose if man is ultimately incapable of handling a utf-8 locale
then that may have to be the solution (?). (BTW, in my locale output
the only var unset is LC_ALL -- all the others are set to
en_US.UTF-8)
It may be a problem with your terminal. I've attached a small file
containing characters in UTF-8. Could you save it and cat it in your
terminal to see if there are problems?
--
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100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: http://www.vinc17.org/blog/
Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / SPACES project at LORIA
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Re: UTF-8 locale, strange chars in X terminal pager(s), specifically man pages
On Thursday 30 Sep 2004 16:39:20 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: On 2004-09-30 08:54:01 -0500, Frederick B. Henry Jr. wrote: Another solution which someone was kind enough to send me was to set LC_ALL to C before every invocation of man, which works, but seems kludgy. This just deactivates non-ASCII characters, which should be replaced by ASCII characters. I suppose if man is ultimately incapable of handling a utf-8 locale then that may have to be the solution (?). (BTW, in my locale output the only var unset is LC_ALL -- all the others are set to en_US.UTF-8) It may be a problem with your terminal. I've attached a small file containing characters in UTF-8. Could you save it and cat it in your terminal to see if there are problems? In aterm, it has problems; in (u)xterm, none. So perhaps it is a problem with my aterm setup. In aterm, TERM is set to rxvt; in (u)xterm TERM is set to xterm. And despite the fact that the file you attached displays fine in (u)xterm, I still get the funny chars in man pages. So it seems that even if aterm has some problems with that file, and xterm does not, man pages are still not displayed perfectly in (u)xterm. I'm thinking it is less a terminal issue than a man issue. As I mentioned before, I can see in my (u)xterm Greek, Thai, Georgian, Cyrillic and even Runes (only the Amharic Ethiopian is all boxes). Seems like unicode is partially working at the least. Thanks again for your help! Fred Henry, Jr. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Arne Gtje [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thursday 30 September 2004 13:03, Frederick B. Henry Jr. wrote: Greetings, Since switching my locale to en_US.UTF-8 (dpkg-reconfigure locales), whenever I use any pager (more, less, most) to read a man page I get strange chars, e.g.: AFAIK, 'man' does not support UTF-8. Bad luck. :) It supports UTF-8 just fine here (Debian unstable). Martin -- ,--. ,= ,-_-. =. / ,- )Martin Dickopp, Dresden, Germany((_/)o o(\_)) \ `-'http://www.zero-based.org/`-'(. .)`-' `-. \_/
Re: UTF-8 locale, strange chars in X terminal pager(s), specifically man pages
also sprach Martin Dickopp [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004.10.01.0135 +0200]: On Thursday 30 September 2004 13:03, Frederick B. Henry Jr. wrote: Greetings, Since switching my locale to en_US.UTF-8 (dpkg-reconfigure locales), whenever I use any pager (more, less, most) to read a man page I get strange chars, e.g.: what terminal emulator do you use? do you get the problem if you use rxvt-unicode? -- Please do not CC me when replying to lists; I read them! .''`. martin f. krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system Invalid/expired PGP subkeys? Use subkeys.pgp.net as keyserver! signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: UTF-8 locale, strange chars in X terminal pager(s), specifically man pages
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Frederick B. Henry Jr.) writes: Context: Debian unstable. [...] Since switching my locale to en_US.UTF-8 (dpkg-reconfigure locales), I think dpkg-reconfigure locales takes of that, but just to be sure, could you verify that /etc/locale.gen contains a line en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8 If you re-run locale-gen as root, does that emit any error messages? whenever I use any pager (more, less, most) to read a man page I get strange chars, e.g.: man procmailrc (PAGER=/usr/bin/most) yields: delivering and [EMAIL PROTECTED] recipes.. That intercalating pattern -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- is throughout the man page. To find out if it's a problem of man or the pager, use cat as pager. In particular, what does PAGER=cat man cat | hexdump -C | grep ^06 print? It prints 0600 6f 72 6e 20 47 72 61 6e 6c 75 6e 64 20 61 6e 64 |orn Granlund and| 0610 20 52 69 63 68 61 72 64 20 4d 2e 20 53 74 61 6c | Richard M. Stal| 0620 6c 6d 61 6e 2e 0a 0a 52 08 52 45 08 45 50 08 50 |lman...R.RE.EP.P| 0630 4f 08 4f 52 08 52 54 08 54 49 08 49 4e 08 4e 47 |O.OR.RT.TI.IN.NG| 0640 08 47 20 42 08 42 55 08 55 47 08 47 53 08 53 0a |.G B.BU.UG.GS.S.| 0650 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 52 65 70 6f 72 74 20 62 75 | Report bu| 0660 67 73 20 74 6f 20 3c 62 75 67 e2 80 90 63 6f 72 |gs to bug...cor| 0670 65 75 74 69 6c 73 40 67 6e 75 2e 6f 72 67 3e 2e |[EMAIL PROTECTED].| 0680 0a 0a 43 08 43 4f 08 4f 50 08 50 59 08 59 52 08 |..C.CO.OP.PY.YR.| 0690 52 49 08 49 47 08 47 48 08 48 54 08 54 0a 20 20 |RI.IG.GH.HT.T. | 06a0 20 20 20 20 20 43 6f 70 79 72 69 67 68 74 20 c2 | Copyright .| 06b0 a9 20 32 30 30 34 20 46 72 65 65 20 53 6f 66 74 |. 2004 Free Soft| 06c0 77 61 72 65 20 46 6f 75 6e 64 61 74 69 6f 6e 2c |ware Foundation,| 06d0 20 49 6e 63 2e 0a 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 54 68 69 | Inc.. Thi| 06e0 73 20 69 73 20 66 72 65 65 20 73 6f 66 74 77 61 |s is free softwa| 06f0 72 65 3b 20 73 65 65 20 74 68 65 20 73 6f 75 72 |re; see the sour| here. The interesting parts are the hyphen in bug-coreutils (bytes e2 80 90) and the copyright character in Copyright (C) 2004 (bytes c2 a9). Martin -- ,--. ,= ,-_-. =. / ,- )Martin Dickopp, Dresden, Germany((_/)o o(\_)) \ `-'http://www.zero-based.org/`-'(. .)`-' `-. \_/
UTF-8 locale, strange chars in X terminal pager(s), specifically man pages
Greetings, Context: Debian unstable. I have the ucs fonts package installed, as well as several classical polytonic Greek fonts, which render very well in Mozilla Firefox. I can start an xterm thusly: xterm -u8 -fn \ '-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso10646-1' It displays the UTF-8-demo.txt file nicely, with the sole exception of Amharic Ethiopian, which is displayed as outline boxes per character. Since switching my locale to en_US.UTF-8 (dpkg-reconfigure locales), whenever I use any pager (more, less, most) to read a man page I get strange chars, e.g.: man procmailrc (PAGER=/usr/bin/most) yields: delivering and [EMAIL PROTECTED] recipes.. That intercalating pattern -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- is throughout the man page. I have tried the same in a utf-8 xterm with the same result. Is there some specific font I should be using? How do I get a clean man page in an xterm/aterm/rxvt/mlterm with a UTF-8 locale? output of locale: LANG=en_US.UTF-8 LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 LC_NUMERIC=en_US.UTF-8 LC_TIME=en_US.UTF-8 LC_COLLATE=en_US.UTF-8 LC_MONETARY=en_US.UTF-8 LC_MESSAGES=en_US.UTF-8 LC_PAPER=en_US.UTF-8 LC_NAME=en_US.UTF-8 LC_ADDRESS=en_US.UTF-8 LC_TELEPHONE=en_US.UTF-8 LC_MEASUREMENT=en_US.UTF-8 LC_IDENTIFICATION=en_US.UTF-8 LC_ALL= Any hints or help would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Fred Henry, Jr. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
