Re: Was I deleted?
Am Mon, 31 Mar 2014 23:13:30 -0800 schrieb Greg Madden gomadtr...@gci.net: On Monday 31 March 2014 10:48:51 you wrote: Am Montag, 31. März 2014, 19:35:05 schrieb Ron Leach: On 31/03/2014 19:22, Hans wrote: Hmm, I guess, you are right. It has something to do with bounced, as I remember to have got an info mail from debian about some bounced mails. This mail advised me nothing to do, as it appeared the first time. Sorry, I do not quite remember the complete content any more and meanwhile deleted the mail, too, but I guess, this might be the reason. How can I revert this and how can I avoid this in the future? Hans, here's a recent bounce message I received: Dear subscriber, We've encountered some problems while sending listmail to your emailaddress ronle...@tesco.net. In the last seven days we've seen bounces for the following list: * debian-user 1 bounce out of 45 mails in one day (2%, kick-score is 80%) (http://lists.debian.org/bounces/[*** trimmed ***) (The link above points to a copy of the latest bounce and will be valid for seven days.) If the bounce-rate passes the kick-score, our bounce-detection will forcibly remove your subscription. Bounces happen from time to time when spam slips through our filters but are rejected by your mail provider. If you are your own mail provider and use 'Before-Queue Content filtering', you should whitelist bendel.debian.org from Content filtering. However: You can safely ignore this message (and you will not be unsubscribed :-) ) if your kick-score remains low. For more information see http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/ListMaster/FAQ You are welcome to contact listmas...@lists.debian.org if you think this message was sent in error. Sincerely, The Listmaster Team -- http://lists.debian.org You can re-subscribe, I think. Also, you could check with o2 whether they can do that whitelist for you. In the longer term, you could, indeed, run a simple mail server on a free domain and on a dynamic IP for less-important mails such as lists, but for important mails you need a static ip, and postfix or exim, coupled with dovecot, on RAID1, and use rdiff-backup to snapshot the mail store to another machine every 4 hours. Otherwise, important email is best left to the isp, I think. regards, Ron Hi Ron. Yes, that is the mail I received. However, as it told me , I will not be unsubscribed, I did nothing. Now I subscribed to the list again, hope this will fix things. If it doesn't, I will have to talk to my isp. For the own mail server: In earlier times I was a postmaster for myself. Ran postfix on the servers, so configuration will not be the problem. The greater problem is the fixed IP I need. Of course I could register a domain from dyndns.org, but then I am again hanging at another provider. Rootservers is another solution, but not cheap. Lowest price will be a little talk with my provider, I guess. :) I will be smart, they will be smart. And we will see, if my resubsription works. Thanks for the help! Best Hans Hans, I have the same issue, hence the personal email. The problem, folks who send messages to the list with reply all or anything other than reply to mail list., lazy behavior or broken emailer.. My spam filter at my isp quarrantines these, then bounces them if I don't manage , whitelist them.. which I do not want to do, so I get blocked by Debian User. I still recieve the user list, just can not post. Peace, Greg Hmm, it looks, I made a mistake. When I receive a mail from the list, I always reply to all, not to the list. I suppose, due to this behaviour, I was unsubsribed whatever. Besides, I subscribed again, but that did not work. Today I will talk to my isp, if debian.org is blocked. In my case it is upside down as at yours: I can send to the list, but got no receives, you get receives but cannot send. Let's see, what my isp says, I hope, the problem will be solved, soon. And let us see, that I can avoid this trouble in the future. Best regards Hans -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140401160619.21d09...@loop.de
Re: Was I deleted?
On Tue 01 Apr 2014 at 16:06:19 +, root wrote: Hmm, it looks, I made a mistake. When I receive a mail from the list, I always reply to all, not to the list. I suppose, due to this behaviour, I was unsubsribed whatever. Very, very unlikely. I'm inclined to say it is impossible. Besides, I subscribed again, but that did not work. Today I will talk to my isp, if debian.org is blocked. Does not work is a little vague. You should have received a confirmation message within minutes for a *new* subscription. Of course you may never have been unsubscribed so, in that case, there would have been nothing for the list software to do because it already knew about the address you subscribed with. In my case it is upside down as at yours: I can send to the list, but got no receives, you get receives but cannot send. You have been responding to messages in this thread. Did you receive any of those messages from the list? Or were they read elsewhere. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/01042014165936.4ccc11cb5...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: Was I deleted?
On Tue, 1 Apr 2014 17:09:42 +0100 Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: Hello Brian, there would have been nothing for the list software to do because it already knew about the address you subscribed with. The list software should send out a notice saying This address is already subscribed, or words to that effect. -- Regards _ / ) The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent Keep your drink just give em the money U Ur Hand - P!nk signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Was I deleted?
On 20140401_160619, root wrote: Am Mon, 31 Mar 2014 23:13:30 -0800 schrieb Greg Madden gomadtr...@gci.net: On Monday 31 March 2014 10:48:51 you wrote: Am Montag, 31. März 2014, 19:35:05 schrieb Ron Leach: On 31/03/2014 19:22, Hans wrote: Hmm, I guess, you are right. It has something to do with bounced, as I remember to have got an info mail from debian about some bounced mails. This mail advised me nothing to do, as snip Peace, Greg Hmm, it looks, I made a mistake. When I receive a mail from the list, I always reply to all, not to the list. I suppose, due to this behaviour, I was unsubsribed whatever. On this list, one replies to the list, debian-user@lists.debian.org and one CC:s the author of the message iff that author requests it. This is to accomodate users of Debian who do not wish to be subscribed to the list. On this list, one should *never* reply to all. Besides, I subscribed again, but that did not work. Today I will talk to my isp, if debian.org is blocked. I think that continued use of reply-to-all resulted in continually being unsubscribed by debian thought police, not an action by your isp, but your isp may have. Bravo, Debian Thought Police -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140401163534.ga14...@pec.lan.gnu
Re: Was I deleted?
On Tue 01 Apr 2014 at 17:28:29 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: On Tue, 1 Apr 2014 17:09:42 +0100 Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: Hello Brian, there would have been nothing for the list software to do because it already knew about the address you subscribed with. The list software should send out a notice saying This address is already subscribed, or words to that effect. Do you mean should as in that is its designed behaviour or ought to? I did test resubscribing and got nothing back. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/01042014173908.ebcd8b2e7...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: Was I deleted?
On Tue, 1 Apr 2014 17:41:37 +0100 Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: Hello Brian, Do you mean should as in that is its designed behaviour or My apologies, I meant 'designed behaviour'. ought to? I did test resubscribing and got nothing back. That doesn't eliminate non-delivery of your test subscription request. Anyhow, your messages are obviously being received at the list (I'm reading them) and equally obviously, you're reading my posts to the list, as evidenced by your replying to one of them. -- Regards _ / ) The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent Go away, come back, go away, come back Leave Me Alone (I'm Lonely) - P!nk signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Was I deleted?
On Tue 01 Apr 2014 at 18:05:21 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: On Tue, 1 Apr 2014 17:41:37 +0100 Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: Hello Brian, Do you mean should as in that is its designed behaviour or My apologies, I meant 'designed behaviour'. No need for an apology. especially when you are dealing with pedantism. :) ought to? I did test resubscribing and got nothing back. That doesn't eliminate non-delivery of your test subscription request. True. So I used another unused mail address to subscribe and responded positively to the confirmation, which came within seconds. Then I resubscribed. Nothing, no mail, no response. It is a distinct possibilty that Hans was never unsubscribed from the list. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140401184658.gn3...@copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: Was I deleted?
On Tue, 1 Apr 2014 19:46:58 +0100 Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: Hello Brian, No need for an apology. especially when you are dealing with pedantism. :) Not a problem. I can just as easily wear my pedant's hat when I feel the urge. ;-) That doesn't eliminate non-delivery of your test subscription request. True. So I used another unused mail address to subscribe and responded positively to the confirmation, which came within seconds. Then I resubscribed. Nothing, no mail, no response. Weird. Although the address for list adminstrivia is different from the list address, the domain part is the same, and one would expect an ISP to filter domains not just single email addresses. I could, of course, be wrong in that supposition. It is a distinct possibilty that Hans was never unsubscribed from the list. Indeed. -- Regards _ / ) The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent Well well well, you just can't tell My Michelle - Guns 'N' Roses signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Was I deleted?
Hey, was I rermoved from the list? Or is the mailserver down? I don't get any mails from the list at the moment. In the past I got about 10-50 Mails every day - now exact zero. This is also a testmail, so sorry for the noise. Best Hans -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/6622214.TYbylZvrgx@protheus2
Re: Was I deleted?
On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Hans hans.ullr...@loop.de wrote: Hey, was I rermoved from the list? Or is the mailserver down? Apparently neither. Patrick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cajvvksney9sag5nbyegqvv-obaxgfkr7s2h0h7z5w_d_h4v...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Was I deleted?
Am Montag, 31. März 2014, 19:29:58 schrieben Sie: (offlist). I can read you. Maybe incoming mail ended up in spam? Ciao -F On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 07:26:48PM +0200, Hans wrote: Hey, was I rermoved from the list? Or is the mailserver down? I don't get any mails from the list at the moment. In the past I got about 10-50 Mails every day - now exact zero. This is also a testmail, so sorry for the noise. Best Hans No, not on my pc. Maybe at my provider. I will check it out. Strange, as I disabled the spam filter at my provider, and here on my pc spam goes ionto a spam folder, and will not be deleted. But thank you, for informing me. However, I get not a single mail from the list. Strange Best Hans -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/2747938.Mt9diLrUkS@protheus2
RE: Was I deleted?
Hmm, looks like my provider (which is o2 aka o2online) here in Germany blocks the domain debian.org completely. There is no mail in my incoming folder, nor one in spam or elsewhere. Other mails from other destinations or domains are delivered correctly. I cannot find out, if it is a personal or a general problem. Maybe if someone else got loop.de or o2online.de in his mail-address might confirm or deny this. Please send answers of this subject as copy to my address, so I can read them. I will of course send to the list as copy as well. Thank you very much. Hans -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/2614626.X4VjG0D27N@protheus2
Re: Was I deleted?
On 31/03/2014 18:55, Hans wrote: Hmm, looks like my provider (which is o2 aka o2online) here in Germany blocks the domain debian.org completely. There is no mail in my incoming folder, nor one in spam or elsewhere. I guess you have checked and have found the cause. The same 'symptom' could appear, also, for another reason; debian list server will stop sending mails to any address from which it has received 'bounces' greater than some quantity (I think 80 % threshold, but not sure). Is it (instead) possible that o2 is not blocking that domain but, instead, for some reason mail to you is being bounced? Or did your check definitely rule out this additional possibility? regards, Ron -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5339b018.5010...@tesco.net
Re: Was I deleted?
Am Montag, 31. März 2014, 19:12:40 schrieb Ron Leach: On 31/03/2014 18:55, Hans wrote: Hmm, looks like my provider (which is o2 aka o2online) here in Germany blocks the domain debian.org completely. There is no mail in my incoming folder, nor one in spam or elsewhere. I guess you have checked and have found the cause. The same 'symptom' could appear, also, for another reason; debian list server will stop sending mails to any address from which it has received 'bounces' greater than some quantity (I think 80 % threshold, but not sure). Is it (instead) possible that o2 is not blocking that domain but, instead, for some reason mail to you is being bounced? Or did your check definitely rule out this additional possibility? regards, Ron Hmm, I guess, you are right. It has something to do with bounced, as I remember to have got an info mail from debian about some bounced mails. This mail advised me nothing to do, as it appeared the first time. Sorry, I do not quite remember the complete content any more and meanwhile deleted the mail, too, but I guess, this might be the reason. How can I revert this and how can I avoid this in the future? I have no own mailserver, where I can change things, I have just a provider. Damned, if one doesn't all by himself, things always go wrong! Best Hans -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1756673.HgLOH9oMdy@protheus2
Re: Was I deleted?
On 31/03/2014 19:22, Hans wrote: Hmm, I guess, you are right. It has something to do with bounced, as I remember to have got an info mail from debian about some bounced mails. This mail advised me nothing to do, as it appeared the first time. Sorry, I do not quite remember the complete content any more and meanwhile deleted the mail, too, but I guess, this might be the reason. How can I revert this and how can I avoid this in the future? Hans, here's a recent bounce message I received: Dear subscriber, We've encountered some problems while sending listmail to your emailaddress ronle...@tesco.net. In the last seven days we've seen bounces for the following list: * debian-user 1 bounce out of 45 mails in one day (2%, kick-score is 80%) (http://lists.debian.org/bounces/[*** trimmed ***) (The link above points to a copy of the latest bounce and will be valid for seven days.) If the bounce-rate passes the kick-score, our bounce-detection will forcibly remove your subscription. Bounces happen from time to time when spam slips through our filters but are rejected by your mail provider. If you are your own mail provider and use 'Before-Queue Content filtering', you should whitelist bendel.debian.org from Content filtering. However: You can safely ignore this message (and you will not be unsubscribed :-) ) if your kick-score remains low. For more information see http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/ListMaster/FAQ You are welcome to contact listmas...@lists.debian.org if you think this message was sent in error. Sincerely, The Listmaster Team -- http://lists.debian.org You can re-subscribe, I think. Also, you could check with o2 whether they can do that whitelist for you. In the longer term, you could, indeed, run a simple mail server on a free domain and on a dynamic IP for less-important mails such as lists, but for important mails you need a static ip, and postfix or exim, coupled with dovecot, on RAID1, and use rdiff-backup to snapshot the mail store to another machine every 4 hours. Otherwise, important email is best left to the isp, I think. regards, Ron -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5339b559.4090...@tesco.net
Re: Was I deleted?
Am Montag, 31. März 2014, 19:35:05 schrieb Ron Leach: On 31/03/2014 19:22, Hans wrote: Hmm, I guess, you are right. It has something to do with bounced, as I remember to have got an info mail from debian about some bounced mails. This mail advised me nothing to do, as it appeared the first time. Sorry, I do not quite remember the complete content any more and meanwhile deleted the mail, too, but I guess, this might be the reason. How can I revert this and how can I avoid this in the future? Hans, here's a recent bounce message I received: Dear subscriber, We've encountered some problems while sending listmail to your emailaddress ronle...@tesco.net. In the last seven days we've seen bounces for the following list: * debian-user 1 bounce out of 45 mails in one day (2%, kick-score is 80%) (http://lists.debian.org/bounces/[*** trimmed ***) (The link above points to a copy of the latest bounce and will be valid for seven days.) If the bounce-rate passes the kick-score, our bounce-detection will forcibly remove your subscription. Bounces happen from time to time when spam slips through our filters but are rejected by your mail provider. If you are your own mail provider and use 'Before-Queue Content filtering', you should whitelist bendel.debian.org from Content filtering. However: You can safely ignore this message (and you will not be unsubscribed :-) ) if your kick-score remains low. For more information see http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/ListMaster/FAQ You are welcome to contact listmas...@lists.debian.org if you think this message was sent in error. Sincerely, The Listmaster Team -- http://lists.debian.org You can re-subscribe, I think. Also, you could check with o2 whether they can do that whitelist for you. In the longer term, you could, indeed, run a simple mail server on a free domain and on a dynamic IP for less-important mails such as lists, but for important mails you need a static ip, and postfix or exim, coupled with dovecot, on RAID1, and use rdiff-backup to snapshot the mail store to another machine every 4 hours. Otherwise, important email is best left to the isp, I think. regards, Ron Hi Ron. Yes, that is the mail I received. However, as it told me , I will not be unsubscribed, I did nothing. Now I subscribed to the list again, hope this will fix things. If it doesn't, I will have to talk to my isp. For the own mail server: In earlier times I was a postmaster for myself. Ran postfix on the servers, so configuration will not be the problem. The greater problem is the fixed IP I need. Of course I could register a domain from dyndns.org, but then I am again hanging at another provider. Rootservers is another solution, but not cheap. Lowest price will be a little talk with my provider, I guess. :) I will be smart, they will be smart. And we will see, if my resubsription works. Thanks for the help! Best Hans -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/3361211.r1pDFqjTjY@protheus2
Re: I deleted /usr/src/linux
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 08:25:25PM -0400, Rob Owens wrote: On my system, /usr/src/linux is just a symlink to /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-5-amd64 -- maybe you just need to re-create that link. If you use module-assistant, `m-a prepare` will do this for you automagically and maintain it based on the the kernel header packages installed. - Mark -- Mark Kamichoff p...@prolixium.com http://www.prolixium.com/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: I deleted /usr/src/linux
On 5/17/2011 8:10 PM, Perry Thompson wrote: In my struggle to make Nvidia work with a new kernel, I deleted /usr/src/linux. Is this bad? I had never used /usr/src in Ubuntu before, but I am seeing that it has more of a use in Debian. If I was not meant to delete it, is there a way to get it back? IIRC, this is usually where the source code to the linux kernel is located (headers, etc). IMO, it's usually best to leave this directory and those in it intact. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4dd30fa5.5080...@fpsoft.net
Re: I deleted /usr/src/linux
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Perry Thompson ryperven...@yahoo.frwrote: In my struggle to make Nvidia work with a new kernel, I deleted /usr/src/linux. Is this bad? I had never used /usr/src in Ubuntu before, but I am seeing that it has more of a use in Debian. If I was not meant to delete it, is there a way to get it back? No, you were not meant to delete that, and it's not the end of the system. It's not like of my High School buddies doing deltree /y C:\... did you delete /usr/src or just clobber everthing in /usr/src? Just fetch a new vanilla (stock) kernel from kernel.org or apt-get/aptitude install the most current one (be sure to check that it's the srcs and not a prebilt binary kernel) -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
Re: I deleted /usr/src/linux
On 05/17/2011 08:15 PM, Robert Wolfe (Debian) wrote: On 5/17/2011 8:10 PM, Perry Thompson wrote: In my struggle to make Nvidia work with a new kernel, I deleted /usr/src/linux. Is this bad? I had never used /usr/src in Ubuntu before, but I am seeing that it has more of a use in Debian. If I was not meant to delete it, is there a way to get it back? IIRC, this is usually where the source code to the linux kernel is located (headers, etc). IMO, it's usually best to leave this directory and those in it intact. Is there any way to get it back? Especially by using the repositories? Or could I copy it from another Debian system that I have? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4dd31116.6010...@yahoo.fr
Re: I deleted /usr/src/linux
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 08:21:42PM -0400, Perry Thompson wrote: On 05/17/2011 08:15 PM, Robert Wolfe (Debian) wrote: On 5/17/2011 8:10 PM, Perry Thompson wrote: In my struggle to make Nvidia work with a new kernel, I deleted /usr/src/linux. Is this bad? I had never used /usr/src in Ubuntu before, but I am seeing that it has more of a use in Debian. If I was not meant to delete it, is there a way to get it back? IIRC, this is usually where the source code to the linux kernel is located (headers, etc). IMO, it's usually best to leave this directory and those in it intact. Is there any way to get it back? Especially by using the repositories? Or could I copy it from another Debian system that I have? On my system, /usr/src/linux is just a symlink to /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-5-amd64 -- maybe you just need to re-create that link. -Rob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110518002525.ga23...@aurora.owens.net
Re: I deleted /usr/src/linux
apt-get install --reinstall linux-headers-`uname -r` should work... On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Perry Thompson ryperven...@yahoo.frwrote: In my struggle to make Nvidia work with a new kernel, I deleted /usr/src/linux. Is this bad? I had never used /usr/src in Ubuntu before, but I am seeing that it has more of a use in Debian. If I was not meant to delete it, is there a way to get it back? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4dd30e7f.8090...@yahoo.fr
ops I deleted /etc/default?deleted /etc/default?
Stupid me I deleted the /etc/default? directory. I have no idea what was in that directory. Seems it contained some rather importanted stuff. If someone could tar up their /etc/default directory it would be great. Then I could use that /etc/default tar ball as guidance so that I can recreat mine. I am still able to bring the machine online, with a hand job, but its just barely. -Thanks guys. I need this today if possible. -Tim. P.S. email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Love debian
Re: ops I deleted /etc/default?deleted /etc/default?
Tim Webster wrote: Stupid me I deleted the /etc/default? directory. I have no idea what was in that directory. Seems it contained some rather importanted stuff. If someone could tar up their /etc/default directory it would be great. Then I could use that /etc/default tar ball as guidance so that I can recreat mine. I am still able to bring the machine online, with a hand job, but its just barely. -Thanks guys. I need this today if possible. I'll send what I have in another reply, not to the list, but I have doubt that it'll do you much good, since it seems to be installation-dependent, having files needed by the particular software configuration installed (IOW installation set). It is apparently not like /etc/skel... I'll attach a .tar.gz, and also paste in a uuencode...
