Re: What's the ALT-F4 stuff?
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Stephen Zander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Todd Graham Lewis wrote: Ok, how's this for a killer Linux feature. killall(1). I f*cking _love_ killall; you just have to be careful not to use it on non-Linux systems. 8^) Nice try, but wrong again. That's a SVR4 feature :) From my Solaris man page... killall(1M) Maintenance Commandskillall(1M) NAME killall - kill all active processes Yeah but Linux's killall is something entirely different. The sysv killall is called killall5 in Linux.. causing a lot of confusion :) Mike. -- | Miquel van Smoorenburg| Sticky tape is like the Force - it has a | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | dark side, it has a light side, and it | | 8--8 | holds the universe together - Carl Zwanig | -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What's the ALT-F4 stuff?
Todd Graham Lewis wrote: Ok, how's this for a killer Linux feature. killall(1). I f*cking _love_ killall; you just have to be careful not to use it on non-Linux systems. 8^) Nice try, but wrong again. That's a SVR4 feature :) From my Solaris man page... killall(1M) Maintenance Commandskillall(1M) NAME killall - kill all active processes SYNOPSIS /usr/sbin/killall [ signal ] AVAILABILITY SUNWcsu DESCRIPTION killall is used by shutdown(1M) to kill all active processes not directly related to the shutdown procedure. killall terminates all processes with open files so that the mounted file systems will be unbusied and can be unmounted. killall sends signal (see kill(1)) to the active processes. If no signal is specified, a default of 15 is used. Stephen --- Normality is a statistical illusion. -- me -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What's the ALT-F4 stuff?
OK, you're right, these are features generic to gnu-ish shells like bash and zsh which receive their greatest exposure through Linux. Virtual consoles aren't even Linux-specific, although they were one of Linus' main beefs with Minix, as I recall; from the beginning they have been a touted feature, if not a linux-only one. Actually, Minix has VC's now :-) -- He. He. He. - - Herman Toothrot -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What's the ALT-F4 stuff?
Todd Graham Lewis wrote: On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Boris D. Beletsky wrote: Linux is great but thouse are NOT linux only things. OK, you're right, these are features generic to gnu-ish shells like bash and zsh which receive their greatest exposure through Linux. Virtual consoles aren't even Linux-specific, although they were one of Linus' main beefs with Minix, as I recall; from the beginning they have been a touted feature, if not a linux-only one. Wrong again :) The features you describe (collectively job control) have been in csh ksh since Adam was a boy (well almost :)) Stephen --- Normality is a statistical illusion. -- me -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What's the ALT-F4 stuff?
On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Boris D. Beletsky wrote: Linux is great but thouse are NOT linux only things. OK, you're right, these are features generic to gnu-ish shells like bash and zsh which receive their greatest exposure through Linux. Virtual consoles aren't even Linux-specific, although they were one of Linus' main beefs with Minix, as I recall; from the beginning they have been a touted feature, if not a linux-only one. It's both pre-Minix and pre-Linux, and even pre-GNU'ish... perhaps somebody else, older than myself, can define if it's pre-Xenix too? perhaps adopted from Unix's papa system... the M'something :-) or perhaps from PDP? -- Ørn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] fax; +46 035 217194 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What's the ALT-F4 stuff?
Todd On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Todd Graham Lewis wrote: Todd Todd On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Boris D. Beletsky wrote: Todd Todd Linux is great but thouse are NOT linux only things. Todd Todd OK, you're right, these are features generic to gnu-ish shells like bash Todd and zsh which receive their greatest exposure through Linux. [t]csh has fg,bg stuff built in. And tcsh isn't gnu-ish This was a discussion about Virtual consoles, not about job-control. Yes, Jobcontrol has nothing to do with linux (more with Unix), but Virtual Consoles really aren't built in tcsh. With virtual consoles we mean the stuff you see when you press ALT_F[0-6] (or, ALT_CONTROL_F[0-6], if you're in X), and with them you can have several programmes running on their own screen, not like the /bg/fg/^z jobcontrol, then the programmes can run at the same time (that's just unix), but they will mess up eachother's output (try running two vi/emacs sessions without VC/X, but just using jobcontrol, and you'll see the difference between VC's and jobcontrol). P.S that diesn't mean that linux isn't great :-) It means that Linux has another extra feature (VC's) that most (all?) other usixes don't have, but whether that means Linux is much better than FreeBSD/SCO/NT, I really don't know (I don't use the other systems) -- joost witteveen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Use Debian/GNU Linux! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] From miss Received: from mongo.pixar.com (138.72.50.60) by master.debian.org with SMTP; 21 Jan 1997 23:17:41 - Received: (qmail 11811 invoked from network); 21 Jan 1997 18:09:58 - Received: from primer.i-connect.net (HELO master.debian.org) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by mongo.pixar.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 1997 18:09:58 - Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date:Tue, 21 Jan 1997 13:08:57 -0500 From: Ami Ganguli [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Ganguli Consulting Inc. X-Sender: Ami Ganguli [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b1 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Scheetz [EMAIL PROTECTED], debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Withdrawl of fee for producing Debian CDs X-Priority: Normal References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: QuXzV1.0.at.ZQGvo@master.debian.org Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org Resent-Reply-To: debian-user@lists.debian.org X-Mailing-List: debian-user@lists.debian.org archive/latest/4087 X-Loop: debian-user@lists.debian.org Precedence: list Priority: non-urgent Importance: low Resent-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dale Scheetz wrote: It's not clear that we have been listening to the same group. At least, I never opposed the payment portion of your idea. Ditto. I suspect that the feedback that caused Bruce to change his mind came through private mail from developers. P.S. Just another point. If we had a place to deposit money, any future montary problems could be solved by small donations from the developers. I'd certainly send in $10 to help finance the project through any tough times. If the rest of the group feels as I do this would yield $1600 dollars in one fell swoop. This wouldn't get very many people to trade shows, but it would provide funds for advertising and other promotional material. You need a clear idea of what you want to spend the money on before you go fund-raising, but I support the idea in general. Charging (or asking for contributions from) developers isn't going to get you very far, though. They already contribute time, I don't think expecting cash as well is really fair. And $1600 is small potatoes in the grand scheme of things. Charging distributors (and thus end-users, indirectly) seem more reasonable and more likely to raise enough cash to actually get something done. Having said all that, it needs to be stated clearly somewhere (in a charter or something) that the purpose of the Debian project is NOT to raise money or produce a fancy disk. I think everybody agrees with this, but it should be stated (etched in stone) somewhere explicitly and some ground rules laid down so that we never become dependant on the cash. Regards... ... Ami. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What's the ALT-F4 stuff?
On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, joost witteveen wrote: It means that Linux has another extra feature (VC's) that most (all?) other usixes don't have, but whether that means Linux is much better than FreeBSD/SCO/NT, I really don't know (I don't use the other systems) FreeBSD has virtual consoles as well. Ok, how's this for a killer Linux feature. killall(1). I f*cking _love_ killall; you just have to be careful not to use it on non-Linux systems. 8^) __ Todd Graham Lewis Linux! Core Engineering Mindspring Enterprises [EMAIL PROTECTED] (800) 719 4664, x2804 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What's the ALT-F4 stuff?
On Sat, 18 Jan 1997, Robert Nicholson wrote: Exactly what is this multi screen session concept that allows you to type ALT-F4 and login again... I'd like to read the documentation on this feature. 8^) This is one of many undocumented goodies which lie scattered throughout the Linux universe, waiting for you to stumble across them. It's called virtual consoles, and alt-f[0-6] is the default configuration if I remember correctly. You have a whole bunch of consoles available from your single keyboard/monitor, and you can switch back and forth. (I'm writing this from F3, where I usually keep my mailbox with all of my mailing lists.) You could add more virtual consoles if you wanted, but you probably don't need to. Also, did you know that you can have a session going, quit from it, and resume that session later? You can, and the company that brings it to you is not ATT. 8^) Do a man on screen and read for yourself. Next thing you know, you'll be playing with (ctrl-z, bg, fg, jobs) and command-line editing. Ain't Linux great? __ Todd Graham Lewis Linux! Core Engineering Mindspring Enterprises [EMAIL PROTECTED] (800) 719 4664, x2804 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What's the ALT-F4 stuff?
On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Todd Graham Lewis wrote: Todd Also, did you know that you can have a session going, quit from it, and Todd resume that session later? You can, and the company that brings it to you Todd is not ATT. 8^) Do a man on screen and read for yourself. Todd Todd Next thing you know, you'll be playing with (ctrl-z, bg, fg, jobs) and Todd command-line editing. Todd Todd Ain't Linux great? Linux is great but thouse are NOT linux only things. borik -- _[_]_ Boris D. Beletsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] (O-O) For pgp public key, email me =(_)= with subject get pgp-key -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What's the ALT-F4 stuff?
On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Boris D. Beletsky wrote: Linux is great but thouse are NOT linux only things. OK, you're right, these are features generic to gnu-ish shells like bash and zsh which receive their greatest exposure through Linux. Virtual consoles aren't even Linux-specific, although they were one of Linus' main beefs with Minix, as I recall; from the beginning they have been a touted feature, if not a linux-only one. __ Todd Graham Lewis Linux! Core Engineering Mindspring Enterprises [EMAIL PROTECTED] (800) 719 4664, x2804 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What's the ALT-F4 stuff?
Todd On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Todd Graham Lewis wrote: Todd Todd On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Boris D. Beletsky wrote: Todd Todd Linux is great but thouse are NOT linux only things. Todd Todd OK, you're right, these are features generic to gnu-ish shells like bash Todd and zsh which receive their greatest exposure through Linux. [t]csh has fg,bg stuff built in. And tcsh isn't gnu-ish borik P.S that diesn't mean that linux isn't great :-) -- _[_]_ Boris D. Beletsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] (O-O) For pgp public key, email me =(_)= with subject get pgp-key -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What's the ALT-F4 stuff?
Boris D. Beletsky wrote: Todd On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Todd Graham Lewis wrote: Todd Todd On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Boris D. Beletsky wrote: Todd Todd Linux is great but thouse are NOT linux only things. Todd Todd OK, you're right, these are features generic to gnu-ish shells like bash Todd and zsh which receive their greatest exposure through Linux. [t]csh has fg,bg stuff built in. And tcsh isn't gnu-ish borik P.S that diesn't mean that linux isn't great :-) One more thing: ^Z, bg, etc existed before Linux. And I don't imply that Linux isn't great either ;) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Seak Teng-Fong E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bât 507 DRFC / SPPFTel: 33 (0) 4 42256125 CE / Cadarache Fax: 33 (0) 4 42256233 13108 Saint Paul lez Durance Cedex FRANCE -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What's the ALT-F4 stuff?
On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Seak, Teng-Fong wrote: Seak, Seak, Boris D. Beletsky wrote: Seak, Seak, Todd On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Todd Graham Lewis wrote: Seak, Todd Seak, Todd On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Boris D. Beletsky wrote: Seak, Todd Seak, Todd Linux is great but thouse are NOT linux only things. Seak, Todd Seak, Todd OK, you're right, these are features generic to gnu-ish shells like bash Seak, Todd and zsh which receive their greatest exposure through Linux. Seak, Seak, [t]csh has fg,bg stuff built in. And tcsh isn't gnu-ish Seak, Seak, borik Seak, Seak, P.S that diesn't mean that linux isn't great :-) Seak, Seak, One more thing: ^Z, bg, etc existed before Linux. And I don't imply Seak, that Linux isn't great either ;) Exactly my point. borik -- _[_]_ Boris D. Beletsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] (O-O) For pgp public key, email me =(_)= with subject get pgp-key -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What's the ALT-F4 stuff?
According to Todd Graham Lewis: On Sat, 18 Jan 1997, Robert Nicholson wrote: Exactly what is this multi screen session concept that allows you to type ALT-F4 and login again... I'd like to read the documentation on this feature. 8^) This is one of many undocumented goodies which lie scattered throughout the Linux universe, waiting for you to stumble across them. It's called virtual consoles, and alt-f[0-6] is the default . Actually, Virtual consoles are (well) documented, along with other Linux features in the vast array of linux-documentation-project and HOWTO's available at you local linux mirror, i.e., see section 3.2.3 Virtual consoles in Linux Installation and Getting Started by Matt Welsh. One of the Great feature of Linux over several other free unix os's is its extensive documentation. Please RT(very Fine)M. -- \/ \ Carl Greco PHONE voice: (402) 496-3381 / \ [EMAIL PROTECTED] / \==/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What's the ALT-F4 stuff?
Robert == Robert Nicholson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Robert Exactly what is this multi screen session concept that Robert allows you to type ALT-F4 and login again... I'd like to Robert read the documentation on this feature. It's virtual consoles! Since Linux is multiuser, you can login more than once. And using the 'gpm' (General Purpose Mouse) program, you can even copy and paste text between VC's. (man gpm, man gpm-root) 'gpm-root' gives you pop-up menus on the text console, which will let you flip over to other VC's higher than the number of function keys you have. The virtual consoles are defined in '/etc/inittab', and the 'getty's and 'login's are run by 'init'. (man inittab, man getty, man init). You can press ALT-F1 through ALT-Fx (look in your inittab to see how many VC's are currently defined. Linux can support up to 64 of them, once the proper device special files are created for them.) Left-Alt Left/Right arrow will cycle through the VC's as well. I've not a memorized list of the docs you should read; but this should get you started. (I assume you've already discovered the 'man' command? man man, man bash, help) -- Karl M. Hegbloom [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.inetarena.com/~karlheg -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What's the ALT-F4 stuff?
Exactly what is this multi screen session concept that allows you to type ALT-F4 and login again... I'd like to read the documentation on this feature. Cheers. -- This message was delayed because the list mail delivery agent was down.
