Re: What hardware to use for Debian Firewall/Gateway or server?
Douglas A. Tutty on 30/05/09 14:19, wrote: On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 10:18:56PM +0200, Csanyi Pal wrote: Jan Willem Stumpel writes: Csanyi Pal wrote: So: can one install on it say a Debian GNU/Linux Lenny? Mind that it is a "headless" device. Everything has to be done through ssh (or local telnet). It has no cd-rom drive, keyboard, or monitor. But it is just a Debian system (for powerpc, not for i386). Everything behaves just like your desktop Debian system. Say I'll upgrade Debian Etch on it to Debian Lenny and make a mess of the operating system somehow through ssh connection. Then what can I do? And if one can setup the first boot media to USB stick how can install the system without to seeing anything? How can they install the Debian system in the Factory of the BUBBA?? Many headless embedded-type devices have a serial port as a bios/system console. Just use that to log in. Or they burn the debian image onto the hard drive before installing it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What hardware to use for Debian Firewall/Gateway or server?
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 10:18:56PM +0200, Csanyi Pal wrote: > Jan Willem Stumpel writes: > > Csanyi Pal wrote: > >> So: can one install on it say a Debian GNU/Linux Lenny? > > > > Mind that it is a "headless" device. Everything has to be done > > through ssh (or local telnet). It has no cd-rom drive, keyboard, > > or monitor. But it is just a Debian system (for powerpc, not for > > i386). Everything behaves just like your desktop Debian system. > > Say I'll upgrade Debian Etch on it to Debian Lenny and make a mess of > the operating system somehow through ssh connection. > Then what can I do? > > And if one can setup the first boot media to USB stick how can install > the system without to seeing anything? > > How can they install the Debian system in the Factory of the BUBBA?? Many headless embedded-type devices have a serial port as a bios/system console. Just use that to log in. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What hardware to use for Debian Firewall/Gateway or server?
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 10:18:56PM +0200, Csanyi Pal wrote: > Jan Willem Stumpel writes: > > > Csanyi Pal wrote: > > > >> So: can one install on it say a Debian GNU/Linux Lenny? > > > > Mind that it is a "headless" device. Everything has to be done > > through ssh (or local telnet). It has no cd-rom drive, keyboard, > > or monitor. But it is just a Debian system (for powerpc, not for > > i386). Everything behaves just like your desktop Debian system. > > Say I'll upgrade Debian Etch on it to Debian Lenny and make a mess of > the operating system somehow through ssh connection. > Then what can I do? > > I think one can boot from an USB stick with an installation iso file? > > But how can one setup the BIOS of the BUBBA mini server/gateway for > booting from the USB stick?? > > And if one can setup the first boot media to USB stick how can install > the system without to seeing anything? > > How can they install the Debian system in the Factory of the BUBBA?? > :) at a guess, bot having played with one of these, but having dealt with headless machine before, I would have the bios set to pxe usb ide/cf pxe first and if that fails fall back to usb and if that fails back to ide. I have seen systems where the usb has to a flag on it to boot. as for the ide/cf - why not just take out the cf card and test it on another machine - fsck/ logs etc > -- "If the terriers and bariffs are torn down, this economy will grow." - George W. Bush 01/01/2000 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: What hardware to use for Debian Firewall/Gateway or server?
Jan Willem Stumpel writes: > Csanyi Pal wrote: > >> So: can one install on it say a Debian GNU/Linux Lenny? > > Mind that it is a "headless" device. Everything has to be done > through ssh (or local telnet). It has no cd-rom drive, keyboard, > or monitor. But it is just a Debian system (for powerpc, not for > i386). Everything behaves just like your desktop Debian system. Say I'll upgrade Debian Etch on it to Debian Lenny and make a mess of the operating system somehow through ssh connection. Then what can I do? I think one can boot from an USB stick with an installation iso file? But how can one setup the BIOS of the BUBBA mini server/gateway for booting from the USB stick?? And if one can setup the first boot media to USB stick how can install the system without to seeing anything? How can they install the Debian system in the Factory of the BUBBA?? :) -- Regards, Paul Csanyi http://www.freewebs.com/csanyi-pal/index.htm -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What hardware to use for Debian Firewall/Gateway or server?
On Thu,28.May.09, 21:50:26, Jan Willem Stumpel wrote: > I also do not quite understand why you should want to use > Lenny, rather than Etch, on a server. Sure, you can still use etch, but next February the security support will end and you have to upgrade to lenny anyway. Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: What hardware to use for Debian Firewall/Gateway or server?
Csanyi Pal wrote: > Yes, with Debian Etch, but not with Debian Lenny! > So: can one install on it say a Debian GNU/Linux Lenny? I suppose you can, although I didn't try it. I think you can install anything you want; I heavily customised mine (in fact I am no longer using any of the Bubba-specific software provided by Excito). Apt-get works; upgrading to Lenny is just a matter of pointing your sources.list towards it, I think. The kernel is 2.6.26.5, so it should not be a problem (don't quote me on that, though; I also do not quite understand why you should want to use Lenny, rather than Etch, on a server. First prepare a "rescue stick" before starting any experiments!). Mind that it is a "headless" device. Everything has to be done through ssh (or local telnet). It has no cd-rom drive, keyboard, or monitor. But it is just a Debian system (for powerpc, not for i386). Everything behaves just like your desktop Debian system. Don't expect gigantic calculating power from this machine. It is good for shifting bits around (what a home server/gateway should do) but not for anything calculation-intensive. I mean, the low power consumption and silent operation had to come from somewhere. Absolutely fine though, as a server/firewall/gateway. Regards, Jan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What hardware to use for Debian Firewall/Gateway or server?
Csanyi Pal wrote: Alex Samad writes: On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 08:35:02AM +0200, Csanyi Pal wrote: Jan Willem Stumpel writes: Csanyi Pal wrote: What is the recommended new hardware for firewall/gateway or for a web, mail, file & printer server at a small home network? Any advices will be appreciated! I am now using a "Bubba 2", made by a Swedish company: http://excito.com/bubba/products/about-bubba.html It runs Debian. More expensive, of course, than using an old desktop or laptop computer (but the price is going down all the time, now 212 euros for a unit with 500 GB hard disk), but it uses "almost no" electricity, and it is silent (fanless). Very suitable for 24/7 operation. I am very happy with it. Regards, Jan It's very nice but can one install on it say a Debian GNU/Linux Lenny? the specs seem to suggest you can get it pre installed with debian Yes, with Debian Etch, but not with Debian Lenny! So: can one install on it say a Debian GNU/Linux Lenny? I don't see why not. -- -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GCS/CM/IT d>++ s+:- a C+++ UL+++> P+>+++ L+++>+ E>--- W+++ N o? K? w--- O+ M-- V- PS PE? Y-- PGP- t+ 5? X- R-- tv+ b++ DI D G++ e- h! !r y --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What hardware to use for Debian Firewall/Gateway or server?
Alex Samad writes: > On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 08:35:02AM +0200, Csanyi Pal wrote: >> Jan Willem Stumpel writes: >> >> > Csanyi Pal wrote: >> > >> >> What is the recommended new hardware for firewall/gateway or >> >> for a web, mail, file & printer server at a small home network? >> >> >> >> Any advices will be appreciated! >> > >> > I am now using a "Bubba 2", made by a Swedish company: >> > >> > http://excito.com/bubba/products/about-bubba.html >> > >> > It runs Debian. More expensive, of course, than using an old >> > desktop or laptop computer (but the price is going down all the >> > time, now 212 euros for a unit with 500 GB hard disk), but it uses >> > "almost no" electricity, and it is silent (fanless). Very suitable >> > for 24/7 operation. I am very happy with it. >> > >> > Regards, Jan >> >> It's very nice but can one install on it say a Debian GNU/Linux Lenny? > > the specs seem to suggest you can get it pre installed with debian Yes, with Debian Etch, but not with Debian Lenny! So: can one install on it say a Debian GNU/Linux Lenny? -- Regards, Paul Csanyi http://www.freewebs.com/csanyi-pal/index.htm -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What hardware to use for Debian Firewall/Gateway or server?
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 08:35:02AM +0200, Csanyi Pal wrote: > Jan Willem Stumpel writes: > > > Csanyi Pal wrote: > > > >> What is the recommended new hardware for firewall/gateway or > >> for a web, mail, file & printer server at a small home network? > >> > >> Any advices will be appreciated! > > > > I am now using a "Bubba 2", made by a Swedish company: > > > > http://excito.com/bubba/products/about-bubba.html > > > > It runs Debian. More expensive, of course, than using an old > > desktop or laptop computer (but the price is going down all the > > time, now 212 euros for a unit with 500 GB hard disk), but it uses > > "almost no" electricity, and it is silent (fanless). Very suitable > > for 24/7 operation. I am very happy with it. > > > > Regards, Jan > > It's very nice but can one install on it say a Debian GNU/Linux Lenny? the specs seem to suggest you can get it pre installed with debian > -- "I'm not really the type to wander off and sit down and go through deep wrestling with my soul." - George W. Bush as quoted in Vanity Fair, October 2000 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: What hardware to use for Debian Firewall/Gateway or server?
Jan Willem Stumpel writes: > Csanyi Pal wrote: > >> What is the recommended new hardware for firewall/gateway or >> for a web, mail, file & printer server at a small home network? >> >> Any advices will be appreciated! > > I am now using a "Bubba 2", made by a Swedish company: > > http://excito.com/bubba/products/about-bubba.html > > It runs Debian. More expensive, of course, than using an old > desktop or laptop computer (but the price is going down all the > time, now 212 euros for a unit with 500 GB hard disk), but it uses > "almost no" electricity, and it is silent (fanless). Very suitable > for 24/7 operation. I am very happy with it. > > Regards, Jan It's very nice but can one install on it say a Debian GNU/Linux Lenny? -- Regards, Paul Csanyi http://www.freewebs.com/csanyi-pal/index.htm -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What hardware to use for Debian Firewall/Gateway or server?
Csanyi Pal wrote: > What is the recommended new hardware for firewall/gateway or > for a web, mail, file & printer server at a small home network? > > Any advices will be appreciated! I am now using a "Bubba 2", made by a Swedish company: http://excito.com/bubba/products/about-bubba.html It runs Debian. More expensive, of course, than using an old desktop or laptop computer (but the price is going down all the time, now 212 euros for a unit with 500 GB hard disk), but it uses "almost no" electricity, and it is silent (fanless). Very suitable for 24/7 operation. I am very happy with it. Regards, Jan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What hardware to use for Debian Firewall/Gateway or server?
Kelly Clowers on 22/05/09 20:56, wrote: On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 07:24, Victor Padro wrote: You can get a Pentium 4 for less than $200 on ebay. I use a Pentium 4 HT, 512MB RAM, 40GB HDD with Pfsense(FreeBSD) as my home firewall/router, and it's very reliable. I would much rather use an Athlon XP or a PIII than a P4 energy hog. Don't suppose you can put numbers to that statement, like number of Watts for a PIII? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What hardware to use for Debian Firewall/Gateway or server?
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 07:24, Victor Padro wrote: > > > You can get a Pentium 4 for less than $200 on ebay. > I use a Pentium 4 HT, 512MB RAM, 40GB HDD with Pfsense(FreeBSD) as my home > firewall/router, and it's very reliable. I would much rather use an Athlon XP or a PIII than a P4 energy hog. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What hardware to use for Debian Firewall/Gateway or server?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 09:31:14PM +0200, Csanyi Pal wrote: > Hi, > > I have at my home a small network: > firewall/gateway: Pentium II Class PC box with 64 MB RAM, 5,1 GB HDD > server : Pentium IV Class PC box with 2 GB RAM, 60 GB HDD > desktop : Pentium IV Class PC box with 2 GB RAM, 2 * 320 GB HDD > > On all these PC boxes run Debian GNU/Linux: > firewall/gateway: Etch > Server : Etch > desktop : Lenny > > The firewall has a buggy hardware and can't to install on it Lenny so > I decide to buy a new hardware for firewall/gateway. > > I think about that that I could to use the server box as a > firewall/gateway and the new PC box for the server.. > > What is the recommended new hardware for firewall/gateway or for a > web, mail, file & printer server at a small home network? > > Any advices will be appreciated! The OpenRD Client looks pretty cool.. Runs the Sheeva 1.2 GHz 512 MB DDR2-800 SDRAM http://globalscaletechnologies.com/t-openrdcdetails.aspx - -- Daryl Styrk Naples, FL USA -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkoWuoMACgkQ6baBhW8CzrgWSACeOsT/vY2cXT5JyYe+3tBn5yC3 OakAnRVJ9YIR/KjC5uL4Wz0kLUtQecAW =eGog -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What hardware to use for Debian Firewall/Gateway or server?
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 09:31:14PM +0200, Csanyi Pal wrote: > > I have at my home a small network: > > firewall/gateway: Pentium II Class PC box with 64 MB RAM, 5,1 GB HDD > > server : Pentium IV Class PC box with 2 GB RAM, 60 GB HDD > > desktop : Pentium IV Class PC box with 2 GB RAM, 2 * 320 GB HDD > > > > On all these PC boxes run Debian GNU/Linux: > > firewall/gateway: Etch > > Server : Etch > > desktop : Lenny > > > > The firewall has a buggy hardware and can't to install on it Lenny so > > I decide to buy a new hardware for firewall/gateway. > > Put the drive in another computer, install to that drive, then move the > drive back? > > > I think about that that I could to use the server box as a > > firewall/gateway and the new PC box for the server.. > > > > What is the recommended new hardware for firewall/gateway or for a > > web, mail, file & printer server at a small home network? > > Well, since the PII worked just fine, I think you'll find that any > computer on which you can install Lenny will work for you. I used to > use a 486 with 32 MB ram but Etch couldn't install on it. It runs > OpenBSD very well. > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > listmas...@lists.debian.org > > You can get a Pentium 4 for less than $200 on ebay. I use a Pentium 4 HT, 512MB RAM, 40GB HDD with Pfsense(FreeBSD) as my home firewall/router, and it's very reliable. -- "It is human nature to think wisely and act in an absurd fashion." "Todo el desorden del mundo proviene de las profesiones mal o mediocremente servidas"
Re: What hardware to use for Debian Firewall/Gateway or server?
On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 09:31:14PM +0200, Csanyi Pal wrote: > I have at my home a small network: > firewall/gateway: Pentium II Class PC box with 64 MB RAM, 5,1 GB HDD > server : Pentium IV Class PC box with 2 GB RAM, 60 GB HDD > desktop : Pentium IV Class PC box with 2 GB RAM, 2 * 320 GB HDD > > On all these PC boxes run Debian GNU/Linux: > firewall/gateway: Etch > Server : Etch > desktop : Lenny > > The firewall has a buggy hardware and can't to install on it Lenny so > I decide to buy a new hardware for firewall/gateway. Put the drive in another computer, install to that drive, then move the drive back? > I think about that that I could to use the server box as a > firewall/gateway and the new PC box for the server.. > > What is the recommended new hardware for firewall/gateway or for a > web, mail, file & printer server at a small home network? Well, since the PII worked just fine, I think you'll find that any computer on which you can install Lenny will work for you. I used to use a 486 with 32 MB ram but Etch couldn't install on it. It runs OpenBSD very well. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What hardware to use for Debian Firewall/Gateway or server?
On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 09:31:14PM +0200, Csanyi Pal wrote: > I have at my home a small network: > firewall/gateway: Pentium II Class PC box with 64 MB RAM, 5,1 GB HDD > server : Pentium IV Class PC box with 2 GB RAM, 60 GB HDD > desktop : Pentium IV Class PC box with 2 GB RAM, 2 * 320 GB HDD > > On all these PC boxes run Debian GNU/Linux: > firewall/gateway: Etch > Server : Etch > desktop : Lenny > > The firewall has a buggy hardware and can't to install on it Lenny so > I decide to buy a new hardware for firewall/gateway. > > I think about that that I could to use the server box as a > firewall/gateway and the new PC box for the server.. > > What is the recommended new hardware for firewall/gateway or for a > web, mail, file & printer server at a small home network? > > Any advices will be appreciated! As for replacing the gateway itself: mine runs OpenBSD rather than Linux, but my home router is a PC Engines Alix 2d3: http://pcengines.ch/alix2d3.htm The downside to this kind of embedded system, versus standard PCs like you're currently using, is that you can't simply stick in a CD and boot up the Debian installer... I installed OpenBSD on mine by running VMware Workstation on my laptop with the board's CF card plugged in and configured as a physical volume, then transplanting the card to the Alix board once everything was up and running. Installing using the serial console and PXE boot is another option, but this route entails setting up a boot server first. Either way, there's a bit more work involved than with a repurposed PC. Also, the Alix board doesn't ship with a CMOS clock battery holder installed, so you'll need to solder one in yourself if you want the board to keep time while unplugged. But the solder points are clearly marked on the board, and battery holders are cheap. That said: what all this extra effort gets you is an inexpensive, small, silent and cool-running box with three Ethernet adapters plenty of horsepower for running a firewall and VPN. And there are no moving parts (although I imagine my CF card will die eventually, since I have it mounted read-write). Also, the while thing only consumes about 5W of power. Soekris Engineering is another popular manufacturer of similar general-purpose embedded PCs suitable as small gateways, and there are other companies too. And you'd be hard-pressed to find one that *doesn't* work with Linux :) -- Mark Shroyer http://markshroyer.com/contact/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
What hardware to use for Debian Firewall/Gateway or server?
Hi, I have at my home a small network: firewall/gateway: Pentium II Class PC box with 64 MB RAM, 5,1 GB HDD server : Pentium IV Class PC box with 2 GB RAM, 60 GB HDD desktop : Pentium IV Class PC box with 2 GB RAM, 2 * 320 GB HDD On all these PC boxes run Debian GNU/Linux: firewall/gateway: Etch Server : Etch desktop : Lenny The firewall has a buggy hardware and can't to install on it Lenny so I decide to buy a new hardware for firewall/gateway. I think about that that I could to use the server box as a firewall/gateway and the new PC box for the server.. What is the recommended new hardware for firewall/gateway or for a web, mail, file & printer server at a small home network? Any advices will be appreciated! -- Regards, Paul Csanyi http://www.freewebs.com/csanyi-pal/index.htm -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
