Re: What if I choose install text-based mode than X?
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 10:22 PM, 郭靖 rush@gmail.com wrote: 在 2013年8月22日星期四UTC+8下午6时50分01秒，Ralf Mardorf写道： [...] but I chose the wrong place for GRUB, at last it didn't run well. More information is needed to comment this. Maybe the wrong partition? mc looks fine and I may tried out. mcedit is the command to access it's editor directly and mcedit /path/to/file/foo will open the editor and a file directly. nano is another easy to use editor, but you should know the basics how to use vi, or vim, since those are the editors that usually are separated from the rest of the userspace and available if everything should be broken on UNIX like systems. [...] I think you misunderstood, mc here means Midnight Commander, a file manager. What he means by mcedit is the Midnight Commander editor. It's built into mc. Some people find it convenient. -- Joel Rees -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caar43imtrpof8v42iljp63rohqhvja5orcj4v2eacg55rqx...@mail.gmail.com
Re: What if I choose install text-based mode than X?
As already mentioned by somebody else. You don't need a text based install to learn how to use Linux by command line interface. Using a desktop environment you can start a terminal emulation by a graphical user interface or you can push Ctrl + Alt + F-Keys Using mc as file manager would be counterproductive to learn the basics. FWIW I'm using a desktop environment, but I rarely use a file manager, I prefer to use the command line interface ls, cd, mkdir, touch, mv, rm, rmdir. It's not needed to type each command, just type the first letters and then push the tab-key. The tab key also does complete a path, just type the beginning of a path and the tab key usually can complete parts of it. As others already mentioned, at least mail user agents and web browsers are available text based. I don't know if an IRC client is available, but as somebody already mentioned, there's something called ncurses. Ncurses could be described as a pseudo-graphical user interface for the command line interface, so e.g. search for ncurses irc client or test based irc client. With google ncurses irc client I e.g. get Console IRC Clients http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IRC/console.html Before users ask questions they should search by their own, but a beginner hardly can do this, because newbies don't know the needed terms, that are needed to e.g. search the web, so feel free to ask on this list. Hth, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1377251486.1037.17.camel@archlinux
Re: What if I choose install text-based mode than X?
On 08/23/2013 05:51 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: I don't know if an IRC client is available irssi for the hardcore; weechat for the fledgling 'leet Jeff -- hangout: ##b0rked on irc.freenode.net diversion: http://alienjeff.net - visit The Fringe quote: The foundation of authority is based upon the consent of the people. - Thomas Hooker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52173b48.9020...@charter.net
RE: What if I choose install text-based mode than X?
-Original Message- From: robo...@news.nic.it [mailto:robo...@news.nic.it] On Behalf Of ?? Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 7:41 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: What if I choose install text-based mode than X? 在 2013年8月22日星期四UTC+8上午2时30分02秒，Joe写道： On Wed, 21 Aug 2013 09:30:22 -0700 (PDT) Snip BTW, what's the level of C knowledge would help me develop Linux There is an old text called Operating Systems by Tannenbaum which has an pre-Linus version of Unix called Minix. Minix is written in C, is intended to mimic UNIX and thus has many of the features of Linux. The book comes with source code and lots of descriptive material. Larry To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmaster@lists.debian. org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130821192002.47e27...@jretrading.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/668ed0a2-3055-4e75-b37f-01ecc3496...@googlegroups.co m -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/013601cea061$25f1f990$71d5ecb0$@netptc.net
Re: What if I choose install text-based mode than X?
在 2013年8月24日星期六UTC+8上午8时40分01秒，LOwens写道： -Original Message- From: robo...@news.nic.it [mailto:robo...@news.nic.it] On Behalf Of ?? Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 7:41 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: What if I choose install text-based mode than X? 在 2013年8月22日星期四UTC+8上午2时30分02秒，Joe写道： On Wed, 21 Aug 2013 09:30:22 -0700 (PDT) Snip BTW, what's the level of C knowledge would help me develop Linux There is an old text called Operating Systems by Tannenbaum which has an pre-Linus version of Unix called Minix. Minix is written in C, is intended to mimic UNIX and thus has many of the features of Linux. The book comes with source code and lots of descriptive material. Larry To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmaster@lists.debian. org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130821192002.47e27...@jretrading.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/668ed0a2-3055-4e75-b37f-01ecc3496...@googlegroups.co m -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/013601cea061$25f1f990$71d5ecb0$@netptc.net I've heard about it when I read Linus's biography. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/02294b1f-6b74-4cef-8b9c-828cb3f89...@googlegroups.com
Re: What if I choose install text-based mode than X?
On Wed, 2013-08-21 at 19:41 -0700, 郭靖 wrote: I've burned a Live CD, and I tried it on VirtualBox, it looked fine but I chose the wrong place for GRUB, at last it didn't run well. More information is needed to comment this. is Synaptic different from apt-get? Which of them has more softwares? Both use the same list of repositories, so the same software is available. mc looks fine and I may tried out. mcedit is the command to access it's editor directly and mcedit /path/to/file/foo will open the editor and a file directly. nano is another easy to use editor, but you should know the basics how to use vi, or vim, since those are the editors that usually are separated from the rest of the userspace and available if everything should be broken on UNIX like systems. If you want to learn Linux this way I would recommend to use another distro, but this are only my 2 cents. I for example prefer Arch over Debian. Beside the repositories that provide binaries Arch comes with a build system similar to FreeBSD ports, packages neither for this build system, nor for the binaries are split, as they are for Debian. Arch packages follow upstream, IOW a lib will not get a separated package, headers don't get separated packages too. Building packages for Arch is much easier than doing it for Debian. The _real_ rolling release model of Arch does provide latest _stable_ software, so if you want to develop using a lot of new stuff from git, svn etc., you wouldn't run that easy into issues, as you'll do when using Debian. If I dual-boot Debian on my MBP, then install rEFIt, would it be fine? I don't know. Debian: https://wiki.debian.org/MacBook/DebianInstallTutorial https://wiki.debian.org/MacBookPro Arch: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MacBook http://codylittlewood.com/arch-linux-on-macbook-pro-installation/ And can I send and/or receive mailing list or emails, and talk on IRC channels? You are already doing it ;), but yes you can do it using Linux too :). Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1377168118.714.21.camel@archlinux
Re: What if I choose install text-based mode than X?
On Thursday 22 August 2013 04:11 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2013-08-21 at 19:41 -0700, 郭靖 wrote: I've burned a Live CD, and I tried it on VirtualBox, it looked fine but I chose the wrong place for GRUB, at last it didn't run well. More information is needed to comment this. is Synaptic different from apt-get? Which of them has more softwares? Both use the same list of repositories, so the same software is available. mc looks fine and I may tried out. mcedit is the command to access it's editor directly and mcedit /path/to/file/foo will open the editor and a file directly. nano is another easy to use editor, but you should know the basics how to use vi, or vim, since those are the editors that usually are separated from the rest of the userspace and available if everything should be broken on UNIX like systems. If you want to learn Linux this way I would recommend to use another distro, but this are only my 2 cents. I for example prefer Arch over Debian. Beside the repositories that provide binaries Arch comes with a build system similar to FreeBSD ports, packages neither for this build system, nor for the binaries are split, as they are for Debian. Arch packages follow upstream, IOW a lib will not get a separated package, headers don't get separated packages too. Building packages for Arch is much easier than doing it for Debian. The _real_ rolling release model of Arch does provide latest _stable_ software, so if you want to develop using a lot of new stuff from git, svn etc., you wouldn't run that easy into issues, as you'll do when using Debian. If I dual-boot Debian on my MBP, then install rEFIt, would it be fine? I don't know. Debian: https://wiki.debian.org/MacBook/DebianInstallTutorial https://wiki.debian.org/MacBookPro Arch: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MacBook http://codylittlewood.com/arch-linux-on-macbook-pro-installation/ And can I send and/or receive mailing list or emails, and talk on IRC channels? You are already doing it ;), but yes you can do it using Linux too :). Regards, Ralf Hi, The questions you're asking about are probably covered better in the Debian Administrator's handbook. http://debian-handbook.info/ They have a free ebook version available from their website too. It covers the basic choices you'd need to make working you through the install process, and explaining the basic packages necessary on Debian. Another good site would be TDLP.org where you can find some good introductory material on linux to get you going. Hope that helps, Kailash -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5215fa05.1010...@gmail.com
Re: What if I choose install text-based mode than X?
在 2013年8月22日星期四UTC+8下午6时50分01秒，Ralf Mardorf写道： On Wed, 2013-08-21 at 19:41 -0700, 郭靖 wrote: I've burned a Live CD, and I tried it on VirtualBox, it looked fine but I chose the wrong place for GRUB, at last it didn't run well. More information is needed to comment this. is Synaptic different from apt-get? Which of them has more softwares? Both use the same list of repositories, so the same software is available. mc looks fine and I may tried out. mcedit is the command to access it's editor directly and mcedit /path/to/file/foo will open the editor and a file directly. nano is another easy to use editor, but you should know the basics how to use vi, or vim, since those are the editors that usually are separated from the rest of the userspace and available if everything should be broken on UNIX like systems. If you want to learn Linux this way I would recommend to use another distro, but this are only my 2 cents. I for example prefer Arch over Debian. Beside the repositories that provide binaries Arch comes with a build system similar to FreeBSD ports, packages neither for this build system, nor for the binaries are split, as they are for Debian. Arch packages follow upstream, IOW a lib will not get a separated package, headers don't get separated packages too. Building packages for Arch is much easier than doing it for Debian. The _real_ rolling release model of Arch does provide latest _stable_ software, so if you want to develop using a lot of new stuff from git, svn etc., you wouldn't run that easy into issues, as you'll do when using Debian. If I dual-boot Debian on my MBP, then install rEFIt, would it be fine? I don't know. Debian: https://wiki.debian.org/MacBook/DebianInstallTutorial https://wiki.debian.org/MacBookPro Arch: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MacBook http://codylittlewood.com/arch-linux-on-macbook-pro-installation/ And can I send and/or receive mailing list or emails, and talk on IRC channels? You are already doing it ;), but yes you can do it using Linux too :). Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1377168118.714.21.camel@archlinux I think you misunderstood, mc here means Midnight Commander, a file manager. Arch has been considered before, but I don't have a great knowledge on Linux, hence I don't think it a nice idea to do so. BTW, I mean can I use IRC on text-based OS? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/485f11da-80dd-4773-84c7-788fb0f88...@googlegroups.com
Re: What if I choose install text-based mode than X?
在 2013年8月22日星期四UTC+8下午7时50分01秒，Kailash写道： On Thursday 22 August 2013 04:11 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2013-08-21 at 19:41 -0700, 郭靖 wrote: I've burned a Live CD, and I tried it on VirtualBox, it looked fine but I chose the wrong place for GRUB, at last it didn't run well. More information is needed to comment this. is Synaptic different from apt-get? Which of them has more softwares? Both use the same list of repositories, so the same software is available. mc looks fine and I may tried out. mcedit is the command to access it's editor directly and mcedit /path/to/file/foo will open the editor and a file directly. nano is another easy to use editor, but you should know the basics how to use vi, or vim, since those are the editors that usually are separated from the rest of the userspace and available if everything should be broken on UNIX like systems. If you want to learn Linux this way I would recommend to use another distro, but this are only my 2 cents. I for example prefer Arch over Debian. Beside the repositories that provide binaries Arch comes with a build system similar to FreeBSD ports, packages neither for this build system, nor for the binaries are split, as they are for Debian. Arch packages follow upstream, IOW a lib will not get a separated package, headers don't get separated packages too. Building packages for Arch is much easier than doing it for Debian. The _real_ rolling release model of Arch does provide latest _stable_ software, so if you want to develop using a lot of new stuff from git, svn etc., you wouldn't run that easy into issues, as you'll do when using Debian. If I dual-boot Debian on my MBP, then install rEFIt, would it be fine? I don't know. Debian: https://wiki.debian.org/MacBook/DebianInstallTutorial https://wiki.debian.org/MacBookPro Arch: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MacBook http://codylittlewood.com/arch-linux-on-macbook-pro-installation/ And can I send and/or receive mailing list or emails, and talk on IRC channels? You are already doing it ;), but yes you can do it using Linux too :). Regards, Ralf Hi, The questions you're asking about are probably covered better in the Debian Administrator's handbook. http://debian-handbook.info/ They have a free ebook version available from their website too. It covers the basic choices you'd need to make working you through the install process, and explaining the basic packages necessary on Debian. Another good site would be TDLP.org where you can find some good introductory material on linux to get you going. Hope that helps, Kailash -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5215fa05.1010...@gmail.com Thx for your information, I have ever went through Debian Handbook, and I think it a great work for Debian users. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/16252406-39c1-41b5-b991-65619fbf1...@googlegroups.com
Re: What if I choose install text-based mode than X?
Le 22.08.2013 15:22, 郭靖 a écrit : 在 2013年8月22日星期四UTC+8下午6时50分01秒，Ralf Mardorf写道： On Wed, 2013-08-21 at 19:41 -0700, 郭靖 wrote: I've burned a Live CD, and I tried it on VirtualBox, it looked fine but I chose the wrong place for GRUB, at last it didn't run well. More information is needed to comment this. is Synaptic different from apt-get? Which of them has more softwares? Both use the same list of repositories, so the same software is available. mc looks fine and I may tried out. mcedit is the command to access it's editor directly and mcedit /path/to/file/foo will open the editor and a file directly. nano is another easy to use editor, but you should know the basics how to use vi, or vim, since those are the editors that usually are separated from the rest of the userspace and available if everything should be broken on UNIX like systems. If you want to learn Linux this way I would recommend to use another distro, but this are only my 2 cents. I for example prefer Arch over Debian. Beside the repositories that provide binaries Arch comes with a build system similar to FreeBSD ports, packages neither for this build system, nor for the binaries are split, as they are for Debian. Arch packages follow upstream, IOW a lib will not get a separated package, headers don't get separated packages too. Building packages for Arch is much easier than doing it for Debian. The _real_ rolling release model of Arch does provide latest _stable_ software, so if you want to develop using a lot of new stuff from git, svn etc., you wouldn't run that easy into issues, as you'll do when using Debian. If I dual-boot Debian on my MBP, then install rEFIt, would it be fine? I don't know. Debian: https://wiki.debian.org/MacBook/DebianInstallTutorial https://wiki.debian.org/MacBookPro Arch: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MacBook http://codylittlewood.com/arch-linux-on-macbook-pro-installation/ And can I send and/or receive mailing list or emails, and talk on IRC channels? You are already doing it ;), but yes you can do it using Linux too :). Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1377168118.714.21.camel@archlinux I think you misunderstood, mc here means Midnight Commander, a file manager. Arch has been considered before, but I don't have a great knowledge on Linux, hence I don't think it a nice idea to do so. BTW, I mean can I use IRC on text-based OS? Yes, and you can even browse the web if you want: you just need a ncurse client to do that. To find one that will suit your needs, I can only give an advice: run aptitude, install debtags, then open a debtab consultation ( in views ), go to protocol-irc tree, and search for one which have the debtab interface::commandline or interface::text-mode. Aptitude with debtags is my favorite method to search for softwares which would fit my needs: it can filter stuff by many things, like programming language, interface (x11, ncurses...), library (gtk, qt), desktop environment... very useful when you try to keep a system as lightweight as possible (I avoid stuff related to DE, and try to avoid any thing with many dependencies, like python softwares usually.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5a592a4c477fba01017edb10b2725...@neutralite.org
Re: What if I choose install text-based mode than X?
On Aug 22, 2013 5:24 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 22.08.2013 15:22, 郭靖 a écrit : 在 2013年8月22日星期四UTC+8下午6时50分01秒，Ralf Mardorf写道： On Wed, 2013-08-21 at 19:41 -0700, 郭靖 wrote: I've burned a Live CD, and I tried it on VirtualBox, it looked fine but I chose the wrong place for GRUB, at last it didn't run well. More information is needed to comment this. is Synaptic different from apt-get? Which of them has more softwares? Both use the same list of repositories, so the same software is available. mc looks fine and I may tried out. mcedit is the command to access it's editor directly and mcedit /path/to/file/foo will open the editor and a file directly. nano is another easy to use editor, but you should know the basics how to use vi, or vim, since those are the editors that usually are separated from the rest of the userspace and available if everything should be broken on UNIX like systems. If you want to learn Linux this way I would recommend to use another distro, but this are only my 2 cents. I for example prefer Arch over Debian. Beside the repositories that provide binaries Arch comes with a build system similar to FreeBSD ports, packages neither for this build system, nor for the binaries are split, as they are for Debian. Arch packages follow upstream, IOW a lib will not get a separated package, headers don't get separated packages too. Building packages for Arch is much easier than doing it for Debian. The _real_ rolling release model of Arch does provide latest _stable_ software, so if you want to develop using a lot of new stuff from git, svn etc., you wouldn't run that easy into issues, as you'll do when using Debian. If I dual-boot Debian on my MBP, then install rEFIt, would it be fine? I don't know. Debian: https://wiki.debian.org/MacBook/DebianInstallTutorial https://wiki.debian.org/MacBookPro Arch: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MacBook http://codylittlewood.com/arch-linux-on-macbook-pro-installation/ And can I send and/or receive mailing list or emails, and talk on IRC channels? You are already doing it ;), but yes you can do it using Linux too :). Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1377168118.714.21.camel@archlinux I think you misunderstood, mc here means Midnight Commander, a file manager. Arch has been considered before, but I don't have a great knowledge on Linux, hence I don't think it a nice idea to do so. BTW, I mean can I use IRC on text-based OS? Yes, and you can even browse the web if you want: you just need a ncurse client to do that. To find one that will suit your needs, I can only give an advice: run aptitude, install debtags, then open a debtab consultation ( in views ), go to protocol-irc tree, and search for one which have the debtab interface::commandline or interface::text-mode. Aptitude with debtags is my favorite method to search for softwares which would fit my needs: it can filter stuff by many things, like programming language, interface (x11, ncurses...), library (gtk, qt), desktop environment... very useful when you try to keep a system as lightweight as possible (I avoid stuff related to DE, and try to avoid any thing with many dependencies, like python softwares usually.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5a592a4c477fba01017edb10b2725...@neutralite.org Hello, I recommend you install debian with a GUI at first, because things will get messy and hard to do since (no offense here) you have no experience with Linux. Just select a desktop environment when you are prompted for the server selection previously mentioned. The reason for that is: if you want to learn Linux commands, you need a terminal emulator. That can be a Gnome-Terminal, Konsole (if you chose KDE), xterm or tens more. In the mean time, you will find it more confortable to learn from a GUI. Tip: for console browsers, you can try apt-get install links or lynx. They are so great, both of them. You might want to try an introductory guide to Linux to get you started using it. I have.. many times :-) Good luck and exercise your google-fu!
Re: What if I choose install text-based mode than X?
在 2013年8月23日星期五UTC+8上午2时30分02秒，Catalin Soare写道： On Aug 22, 2013 5:24 PM, berenge...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 22.08.2013 15:22, 郭靖 a écrit : 在 2013年8月22日星期四UTC+8下午6时50分01秒，Ralf Mardorf写道： On Wed, 2013-08-21 at 19:41 -0700, 郭靖 wrote: I've burned a Live CD, and I tried it on VirtualBox, it looked fine but I chose the wrong place for GRUB, at last it didn't run well. More information is needed to comment this. is Synaptic different from apt-get? Which of them has more softwares? Both use the same list of repositories, so the same software is available. mc looks fine and I may tried out. mcedit is the command to access it's editor directly and mcedit /path/to/file/foo will open the editor and a file directly. nano is another easy to use editor, but you should know the basics how to use vi, or vim, since those are the editors that usually are separated from the rest of the userspace and available if everything should be broken on UNIX like systems. If you want to learn Linux this way I would recommend to use another distro, but this are only my 2 cents. I for example prefer Arch over Debian. Beside the repositories that provide binaries Arch comes with a build system similar to FreeBSD ports, packages neither for this build system, nor for the binaries are split, as they are for Debian. Arch packages follow upstream, IOW a lib will not get a separated package, headers don't get separated packages too. Building packages for Arch is much easier than doing it for Debian. The _real_ rolling release model of Arch does provide latest _stable_ software, so if you want to develop using a lot of new stuff from git, svn etc., you wouldn't run that easy into issues, as you'll do when using Debian. If I dual-boot Debian on my MBP, then install rEFIt, would it be fine? I don't know. Debian: https://wiki.debian.org/MacBook/DebianInstallTutorial https://wiki.debian.org/MacBookPro Arch: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MacBook http://codylittlewood.com/arch-linux-on-macbook-pro-installation/ And can I send and/or receive mailing list or emails, and talk on IRC channels? You are already doing it ;), but yes you can do it using Linux too :). Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-us...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listm...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1377168118.714.21.camel@archlinux I think you misunderstood, mc here means Midnight Commander, a file manager. Arch has been considered before, but I don't have a great knowledge on Linux, hence I don't think it a nice idea to do so. BTW, I mean can I use IRC on text-based OS? Yes, and you can even browse the web if you want: you just need a ncurse client to do that. To find one that will suit your needs, I can only give an advice: run aptitude, install debtags, then open a debtab consultation ( in views ), go to protocol-irc tree, and search for one which have the debtab interface::commandline or interface::text-mode. Aptitude with debtags is my favorite method to search for softwares which would fit my needs: it can filter stuff by many things, like programming language, interface (x11, ncurses...), library (gtk, qt), desktop environment... very useful when you try to keep a system as lightweight as possible (I avoid stuff related to DE, and try to avoid any thing with many dependencies, like python softwares usually.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-us...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listm...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5a592a4c477fba01017edb10b2725...@neutralite.org Hello, I recommend you install debian with a GUI at first, because things will get messy and hard to do since (no offense here) you have no experience with Linux. Just select a desktop environment when you are prompted for the server selection previously mentioned. The reason for that is: if you want to learn Linux commands, you need a terminal emulator. That can be a Gnome-Terminal, Konsole (if you chose KDE), xterm or tens more. In the mean time, you will find it more confortable to learn from a GUI. Tip: for console browsers, you can try apt-get install links or lynx. They are so great, both of them. You might want to try an introductory guide to Linux to get you started using it. I have.. many times :-) Good luck and
What if I choose install text-based mode than X?
I was going to install Debian on my MBP(i.e. Macbook Pro), but I didn't know what to choose - Due to the existance of Mac OSX, I didn't want to install X on my machine, I just want to learn Linux and/or Debian. However, setting my Mac as a server is not necessary, so I just get confused. BTW, what's the level of C knowledge would help me develop Linux Kernel? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/f55fd38e-7936-4a5e-a3a4-8a3814f5b...@googlegroups.com
Re: What if I choose install text-based mode than X?
On Wed, 21 Aug 2013 09:30:22 -0700 (PDT) 郭靖 rush@gmail.com wrote: I was going to install Debian on my MBP(i.e. Macbook Pro), but I didn't know what to choose - Due to the existance of Mac OSX, I didn't want to install X on my machine, I just want to learn Linux and/or Debian. However, setting my Mac as a server is not necessary, so I just get confused. Preferably begin from the netinstall image, http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ then when you are offered the various computer roles, mail server, web server etc., do not mark anything. You will then be given a very minimal system, and will need to use apt-get or aptitude to add the software you want. If you are new to Linux, you might want to run a Live CD of Debian or one of its derivatives. Synaptic is a GUI package tool which I find easier to use than aptitude when searching for software. It does the same thing functionally, but I find the aptitude display less clear and intuitive than I would like. You should be able to get a good idea of what packages you will need, if necessary using the Net for further information, then return to your minimal system to install them. My recommendation for the first additional package to a text system would be mc, which is a text-based 'graphical' file manager and simple text editor. My server runs text-only Debian, I use mc for nearly all admin tasks, and I use it quite a lot on my very graphical workstation. Another possibility that may work for you is to install to an external USB hard drive, if your Mac allows that. You can then use what you like with no effect on a computer's host operating system, and if you choose a 32-bit install with a kernel *not* optimised for the hardware, then it will boot on many machines. I have a pocket-sized 160GB drive which is kept pretty much the same as my main workstation, with synchronised data, which will boot on my large laptop and my netbook, and on nearly all other modern x86-derived computers I have found. BTW, what's the level of C knowledge would help me develop Linux Kernel? Sorry, cannot help there. The source code for the kernel is easily available, have a look and see if you are intimidated -- Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130821192002.47e27...@jretrading.com
Re: What if I choose install text-based mode than X?
在 2013年8月22日星期四UTC+8上午2时30分02秒，Joe写道： On Wed, 21 Aug 2013 09:30:22 -0700 (PDT) 郭靖 rush@gmail.com wrote: I was going to install Debian on my MBP(i.e. Macbook Pro), but I didn't know what to choose - Due to the existance of Mac OSX, I didn't want to install X on my machine, I just want to learn Linux and/or Debian. However, setting my Mac as a server is not necessary, so I just get confused. Preferably begin from the netinstall image, http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ then when you are offered the various computer roles, mail server, web server etc., do not mark anything. You will then be given a very minimal system, and will need to use apt-get or aptitude to add the software you want. If you are new to Linux, you might want to run a Live CD of Debian or one of its derivatives. Synaptic is a GUI package tool which I find easier to use than aptitude when searching for software. It does the same thing functionally, but I find the aptitude display less clear and intuitive than I would like. You should be able to get a good idea of what packages you will need, if necessary using the Net for further information, then return to your minimal system to install them. My recommendation for the first additional package to a text system would be mc, which is a text-based 'graphical' file manager and simple text editor. My server runs text-only Debian, I use mc for nearly all admin tasks, and I use it quite a lot on my very graphical workstation. Another possibility that may work for you is to install to an external USB hard drive, if your Mac allows that. You can then use what you like with no effect on a computer's host operating system, and if you choose a 32-bit install with a kernel *not* optimised for the hardware, then it will boot on many machines. I have a pocket-sized 160GB drive which is kept pretty much the same as my main workstation, with synchronised data, which will boot on my large laptop and my netbook, and on nearly all other modern x86-derived computers I have found. BTW, what's the level of C knowledge would help me develop Linux Kernel? Sorry, cannot help there. The source code for the kernel is easily available, have a look and see if you are intimidated -- Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130821192002.47e27...@jretrading.com I've burned a Live CD, and I tried it on VirtualBox, it looked fine but I chose the wrong place for GRUB, at last it didn't run well. is Synaptic different from apt-get? Which of them has more softwares? mc looks fine and I may tried out. If I dual-boot Debian on my MBP, then install rEFIt, would it be fine? And can I send and/or receive mailing list or emails, and talk on IRC channels? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/668ed0a2-3055-4e75-b37f-01ecc3496...@googlegroups.com
