Gnome 2 + Sarge : Which window manager?
I was trying to install: metal sawmill and discovered that they are mutually exclusive. metal wants gconf2 and sawmill wants gconf. Does this mean that sarge sawmill is gnome1? Any way to get both? -- = = Management is doing things right; leadership is doing the = = right things.- Peter Drucker= =___= = http://www.sun.com/service/sunps/jdc/javacenter.pdf = = www.sun.com | www.javasoft.com | http://wwws.sun.com/sunone = = -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Gnome 2 + Sarge : Which window manager?
AFAIK metacity is the WM favored by the Gnome project. I'm using it on several stations and it is quite satisfactory except for a minor refresh problem when switching workspaces. There are other Gnome compatible WM, this one is a sober one that seems to focus on not getting in the way of the Gnome desktop environment and does it quite well. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Which window manager to use?
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Re: Which window manager to use?
www.afterstep.org... i love it!!! Camilo Olarte - Original Message - From: David Z Maze [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 06:44 PM Subject: Which window manager to use? I can't seem to find a window manager I like. I'm not actually picky on the appearance, so long as it's not garishly ugly (for example, any of the Enlightenment themes). I'm running unstable on every machine this matters for; I'm also willing to consider things that aren't (yet) packaged. Pointers to sites with nice comparisons beyond http://www.plig.org/xwinman/ are also welcome. Requirements: -- Starts on every screen of a multiple-screen display. -- If a window resizes itself while being moved, notice this fact. -- Doesn't splatter things on the desktop. (Or can be configured not to) -- Supports GNOME window manager hints. -- Supports a two-dimensional virtual desktop setup. -- Snap-to-neighbor and snap-to-edge window dragging. -- Straightforward graphical configuration. -- Includes a root-window menu. Of things I've tried, fvwm2 is the only thing I've noticed that starts on every screen, though I haven't tried that much on my dual-head machine. The second item is probably a bug in sawfish I should get around to reporting. Enlightenment is ugly and segfaulted the second time I tried to start it. Window Maker can't be successfully convinced to not put anything on the desktop (the GNOME panel does that job well enough). Any hints/resources? Thanks... -- David Maze [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://people.debian.org/~dmaze/ Theoretical politics is interesting. Politicking should be illegal. -- Abra Mitchell -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Which window manager to use?
I can't seem to find a window manager I like. I'm not actually picky on the appearance, so long as it's not garishly ugly (for example, any of the Enlightenment themes). I'm running unstable on every machine this matters for; I'm also willing to consider things that aren't (yet) packaged. Pointers to sites with nice comparisons beyond http://www.plig.org/xwinman/ are also welcome. Requirements: -- Starts on every screen of a multiple-screen display. -- If a window resizes itself while being moved, notice this fact. -- Doesn't splatter things on the desktop. (Or can be configured not to) -- Supports GNOME window manager hints. -- Supports a two-dimensional virtual desktop setup. -- Snap-to-neighbor and snap-to-edge window dragging. -- Straightforward graphical configuration. -- Includes a root-window menu. Of things I've tried, fvwm2 is the only thing I've noticed that starts on every screen, though I haven't tried that much on my dual-head machine. The second item is probably a bug in sawfish I should get around to reporting. Enlightenment is ugly and segfaulted the second time I tried to start it. Window Maker can't be successfully convinced to not put anything on the desktop (the GNOME panel does that job well enough). Any hints/resources? Thanks... -- David Maze [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://people.debian.org/~dmaze/ Theoretical politics is interesting. Politicking should be illegal. -- Abra Mitchell -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which window manager to use?
On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 19:44:49 -0400 David Z Maze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't seem to find a window manager I like. I'm not actually picky on the appearance, so long as it's not garishly ugly (for example, any of the Enlightenment themes). (snip) Requirements: Of the items listed, blackbox does a good number of them natively (or with one or two helper apps): -- Starts on every screen of a multiple-screen display. native -- If a window resizes itself while being moved, notice this fact. -- Doesn't splatter things on the desktop. (Or can be configured not to) native -- Supports GNOME window manager hints. not completely supported currently, but soon -- Supports a two-dimensional virtual desktop setup. by this I assume you mean something like 2 columns by 2 rows? If so, this can be done with the assistance of bbpager I believe. -- Snap-to-neighbor and snap-to-edge window dragging. snap-to-edge, but not snap-to-neighbor -- Straightforward graphical configuration. native simple option menus -- Includes a root-window menu. native -- Jamin W. Collins -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which window manager to use?
David Z Maze wrote: I can't seem to find a window manager I like. I'm not actually picky on the appearance, so long as it's not garishly ugly (for example, any of the Enlightenment themes). I'm running unstable on every machine this matters for; I'm also willing to consider things that aren't (yet) packaged. Pointers to sites with nice comparisons beyond http://www.plig.org/xwinman/ are also welcome. Requirements: -- Starts on every screen of a multiple-screen display. -- If a window resizes itself while being moved, notice this fact. -- Doesn't splatter things on the desktop. (Or can be configured not to) -- Supports GNOME window manager hints. -- Supports a two-dimensional virtual desktop setup. -- Snap-to-neighbor and snap-to-edge window dragging. -- Straightforward graphical configuration. -- Includes a root-window menu. Of things I've tried, fvwm2 is the only thing I've noticed that starts on every screen, though I haven't tried that much on my dual-head machine. The second item is probably a bug in sawfish I should get around to reporting. Enlightenment is ugly and segfaulted the second time I tried to start it. Window Maker can't be successfully convinced to not put anything on the desktop (the GNOME panel does that job well enough). Any hints/resources? Thanks... Although your email sounds like it could cause a lot of flame-bait. I'll answer with my suggestion/opinion. But first, I do not use KDE or GNOME or anything/much related to it. I use WindowMaker. It's fast (like fvwm2), it's pretty (like sawfish), it's configurable. If you want something that is Gnome compliant, then sawfish or ice are probably the top two options. They are lightweight with lots of capabilities. For Gnome, I stick with sawfish. That's my $0.02. Hope it helps. -- 21:30:01 up 4:00, 1 user, load average: 1.08, 1.03, 1.01 Linux is the future... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which window manager to use?
Jamin W. Collins wrote: Of the items listed, blackbox does a good number of them natively (or with one or two helper apps): I find fluxbox (which is based on blackbox 0.61) far preferable to blackbox, openbox, or the others in that family. It has some nice new features, such as window tabs and user-configurable title bar buttons. Craig pgpjSYfBLNYRj.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Which window-manager for a kiosk?
new window is opened by the web site being visited, and I would prefer the window to just take the entire screen or at least not require manual placement. Try to look at larswm. -- Alexey Python is executable pseudocode, Perl is executable line-noise. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which window-manager for a kiosk?
Thanks for everyone's response. I think for now I'll stick with ICEWM, and just disable the Menu Bar, although this discussion gave me some food for thought, so I may change the setup in the future. Karsten M. Self wrote: - have galeon automatically restart if it exits How do I do this if I'm starting galeon from .xinitrc/.xsession? Thanks! Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which window-manager for a kiosk?
on Mon, Mar 25, 2002, Kent West ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Thanks for everyone's response. I think for now I'll stick with ICEWM, and just disable the Menu Bar, although this discussion gave me some food for thought, so I may change the setup in the future. Karsten M. Self wrote: - have galeon automatically restart if it exits How do I do this if I'm starting galeon from .xinitrc/.xsession? I'd start everything from /etc/inittab or, as last line of .xinitrc: while :; do galeon arguments; done Peace. -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of Gestalt don't you understand? Keep software free. Oppose the CBDTPA. Kill S.2048 dead. http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html pgpIB3wB5IbEk.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Which window-manager for a kiosk?
Karsten M. Self wrote: on Mon, Mar 25, 2002, Kent West ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Thanks for everyone's response. I think for now I'll stick with ICEWM, and just disable the Menu Bar, although this discussion gave me some food for thought, so I may change the setup in the future. Karsten M. Self wrote: - have galeon automatically restart if it exits How do I do this if I'm starting galeon from .xinitrc/.xsession? I'd start everything from /etc/inittab or, as last line of .xinitrc: while :; do galeon arguments; done That's great! Thanks! Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which window-manager for a kiosk?
also sprach Kent West [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.03.25.1748 +0100]: How do I do this if I'm starting galeon from .xinitrc/.xsession? while true; do galeon; done -- martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) \ echo mailto: !#^.*|tr * mailto:; [EMAIL PROTECTED] the well-bred contradict other people. the wise contradict themselves. -- oscar wilde pgpkR0TOnsksw.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Which window-manager for a kiosk?
On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 12:25:50PM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: Galeon, in full screen tabbed mode, with *no* window manager, would be my first choice. You need a window manager for Galeon fullscreen. If you get to a login screen, input moves to it. After you've logged in, you loose keyboard input to galeon. -- Danie Roux *shuffle* Adore Unix
Re: Which window-manager for a kiosk?
on Wed, Mar 20, 2002, Danie Roux ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 12:25:50PM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: Galeon, in full screen tabbed mode, with *no* window manager, would be my first choice. You need a window manager for Galeon fullscreen. If you get to a login screen, input moves to it. After you've logged in, you loose keyboard input to galeon. Sorry? /me switches to a console $ startx $( which galeon ) -- 1/dev/null 21 /me diddles with galeon for a while, including several login/auth sites with popups... ...works. If you're assuming authentication at the kiosk, you can handle that through an X display manager (xdm, gdm, wdm, etc.). But Galeon runs fine naked. Personally, I'd probably pick fvwm2 for this task -- you want a powerful, configurable, window manager. With fvwm2 you've got the options to set window decorations, etc., so you're not completely bare-ass naked, but you cna also configure virtually every part of the environment so that the user is effectively locked into their sandbox. Peace. -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.comhttp://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of Gestalt don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org pgpS690CMvnUL.pgp Description: PGP signature
Which window-manager for a kiosk?
Which window manager will give me the ability to size/move/close/etc windows, but without the ability to start other programs, etc. I want a kiosk style setup, on a low-memory machine. ICEWM has that menu at the bottom with the Start menu, so it's unsuitable. I tried twm, but I have to manually place the default app (Galeon) when it starts or when a new window is opened by the web site being visited, and I would prefer the window to just take the entire screen or at least not require manual placement. Any suggestions? Thanks! Kent
Re: Which window-manager for a kiosk?
On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 11:41:35AM -0600, Kent West wrote: Which window manager will give me the ability to size/move/close/etc windows, but without the ability to start other programs, etc. I want a kiosk style setup, on a low-memory machine. ICEWM has that menu at the bottom with the Start menu, so it's unsuitable. I tried twm, but I have to manually place the default app (Galeon) when it starts or when a new window is opened by the web site being visited, and I would prefer the window to just take the entire screen or at least not require manual placement. Any suggestions? I used fvwm on our kiosks at work. I'm not sure what yours is going to be used for but ours loads netscape which is pointed to two internal web servers. We didn't want them to have the capability of size/move/etc so we overlayed all the buttons and such with graphics. At any rate you should be able to add or remove whatever buttons you want to windows, configure the root menus, etc under fvwm. It is light weight and highly configurable, not the most beautiful though:) Depending on your security needs you might want to look into running this in a chroot directory or use rbash. hth, kent -- To know the truth is to distort the Universe. Alfred N. Whitehead (adaptation)
Re: Which window-manager for a kiosk?
Kent == Kent West [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kent Any suggestions? sawfish. it's small, doesn't have a start menu type thing, and I think will place windows for you. it does pop up a menu when a certain key is pressed (mouse-2??) on the root window, which could allow for the launching of new programs. but it shouldn't be too hard to disable that, or strip the menus of any dangerous entries. you can usually configure the size and geometry of X programs by passing a -geometry argument on the command line. galleon or mozilla or whatever may not honor this, though. you might also want to think about disabling the normal control key sequence which can shutdown X. maybe you can change it to a secret key combination which shuts X down. I don't know how this is done. -- joe
Re: Which window-manager for a kiosk?
On 19-Mar-2002 Kent West wrote: Which window manager will give me the ability to size/move/close/etc windows, but without the ability to start other programs, etc. I want a kiosk style setup, on a low-memory machine. ICEWM has that menu at the bottom with the Start menu, so it's unsuitable. I tried twm, but I have to manually place the default app (Galeon) when it starts or when a new window is opened by the web site being visited, and I would prefer the window to just take the entire screen or at least not require manual placement. Any suggestions? Most window managers can have their menu removed with little effort.
Re: Which window-manager for a kiosk?
on Tue, Mar 19, 2002, Kent West ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Which window manager will give me the ability to size/move/close/etc windows, but without the ability to start other programs, etc. I want a kiosk style setup, on a low-memory machine. ICEWM has that menu at the bottom with the Start menu, so it's unsuitable. ICEWM is highly configurably IIRC. I tried twm, but I have to manually place the default app (Galeon) Nope. RTFM twm, search placement. Any suggestions? Galeon, in full screen tabbed mode, with *no* window manager, would be my first choice. Peace. -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.comhttp://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of Gestalt don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org pgptHGorXAABY.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Which window-manager for a kiosk?
On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Kent West wrote: Which window manager will give me the ability to size/move/close/etc windows, but without the ability to start other programs, etc. I want a kiosk style setup, on a low-memory machine. ICEWM has that menu at the bottom with the Start menu, so it's unsuitable. I tried twm, but I have to manually place the default app (Galeon) when it starts or when a new window is opened by the web site being visited, and I would prefer the window to just take the entire screen or at least not require manual placement. I use flwm on my Debian PowerPC Woody distro. Runs nice. You have to click on the desktop to bring up a menu for running programs. Of course, the title bar in on the left, not on top. Takes some getting used to, but I really like it. -- Paul F. Pearson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://home.hiwaay.net/~ppearson/ Lord heal our land. Father heal our land. Hear our cry and turn our nation back to You - Heal Our Land, _Magnify The Lord_ (Integrity Music)
Re: Which window-manager for a kiosk?
On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 11:41:35AM -0600, Kent West wrote: Which window manager will give me the ability to size/move/close/etc windows, but without the ability to start other programs, etc. I want a kiosk style setup, on a low-memory machine. ICEWM has that menu at the bottom with the Start menu, so it's unsuitable. I tried twm, but I have to manually place the default app (Galeon) when it starts or when a new window is opened by the web site being visited, and I would prefer the window to just take the entire screen or at least not require manual placement. Any suggestions? I suggest (all untested): - use no window manager - start galeon in fullscreen mode from .xinitrc or .xsession - map away the F11-Key with xmodmap - maybe disable C-A-F[1-12] - maybe disable C-A-Backspace - disable most mime stuff to prevent the start of external viewers - have galeon automatically restart if it exits That should keep the system quite closed. As I didn't test that, suggestions are welcome! Greets, Karsten -- Karsten Heymann [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] CAU-University Kiel, Germany Registered Linux User #221014 (http://counter.li.org)
FW: Which window-manager for a kiosk?
Won't a simple 'chroot' in the default shell of the user put all other applications inaccessible? I guess you can trim off the menu functions and start panel functions in most of the WMs? -Ramesh | -Original Message- | From: Kent West [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 11:42 AM | To: debian-user | Subject: Which window-manager for a kiosk? | | | Which window manager will give me the ability to size/move/close/etc | windows, but without the ability to start other programs, | etc. I want a | kiosk style setup, on a low-memory machine. ICEWM has that | menu at the | bottom with the Start menu, so it's unsuitable. I tried twm, but I | have to manually place the default app (Galeon) when it | starts or when a | new window is opened by the web site being visited, and I | would prefer | the window to just take the entire screen or at least not | require manual | placement. | | Any suggestions? | | Thanks! | | Kent
Re: Which window-manager for a kiosk?
On Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:22:02 -0600 ktb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 11:41:35AM -0600, Kent West wrote: Which window manager will give me the ability to size/move/close/etc windows, but without the ability to start other programs, etc. I want a kiosk style setup, on a low-memory machine. ICEWM has that menu at the bottom with the Start menu, so it's unsuitable. I tried twm, but I you can disable that menu on icewm... install icepref and configure it for your needs []s! -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Gustavo Noronha http://www.metainfo.org/kov Debian: http://www.debian.org * http://debian-br.cipsga.org.br
Re: Which window-manager for a kiosk?
You can launch your startup app from /etc/inittab. I used to work for a company that installed kiosks, and this is how we did it. We ran our own app, not a browser, and our X needs were very minimal. No window manager, no windows except our one, no keyboard, no mouse (touchscreen only), etc. Just run X or startx or whatever right out of inittab, giving the app as the startup argument. The default runlevel put us in kiosk mode. If we wanted a more normal box, for maintenance or development, we'd switch runlevels. It worked very well. Best of luck, --Pete On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 10:19:44PM +0100, Karsten Heymann wrote: On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 11:41:35AM -0600, Kent West wrote: Which window manager will give me the ability to size/move/close/etc windows, but without the ability to start other programs, etc. I want a kiosk style setup, on a low-memory machine. ICEWM has that menu at the bottom with the Start menu, so it's unsuitable. I tried twm, but I have to manually place the default app (Galeon) when it starts or when a new window is opened by the web site being visited, and I would prefer the window to just take the entire screen or at least not require manual placement. Any suggestions? I suggest (all untested): - use no window manager - start galeon in fullscreen mode from .xinitrc or .xsession - map away the F11-Key with xmodmap - maybe disable C-A-F[1-12] - maybe disable C-A-Backspace - disable most mime stuff to prevent the start of external viewers - have galeon automatically restart if it exits That should keep the system quite closed. As I didn't test that, suggestions are welcome! Greets, Karsten
Re: Which window-manager for a kiosk?
On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Karsten Heymann wrote: - use no window manager - start galeon in fullscreen mode from .xinitrc or .xsession - map away the F11-Key with xmodmap - maybe disable C-A-F[1-12] - maybe disable C-A-Backspace - disable most mime stuff to prevent the start of external viewers - have galeon automatically restart if it exits Additionally, to save some trouble, you could just lock the keyboard in the kiosk so users only have mouse input. This assumes, of course, that you have no need for text input at this kiosk. -- Baloo
Re: Which window manager
Actually the latest Enlightenment (using the default configuration) uses about the same amount of resources as Window Maker. Personally I'd reccomend Sawfish as well though. Sean Preben Randhol wrote: Dinesh Nadarajah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 30/06/2000 (23:37) : I am looking for a window manager for debian that will not soakup the system resources. Which one would you suggest? First keep well away from Enlightenment. It uses a lot of resources on absolutely nothing (e.i eye-candy). I'd recommend WindowMaker or Sawfish.
Re: Which window manager
On 03-Jul-2000 13:53:54 Sean wrote: Actually the latest Enlightenment (using the default configuration) uses about the same amount of resources as Window Maker. Personally I'd reccomend Sawfish as well though. You mean Sawmill? -- Andrew
Re: Which window manager
What is this Sawfish. I have seen SAwmill but not sawfish. -D --- Sean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually the latest Enlightenment (using the default configuration) uses about the same amount of resources as Window Maker. Personally I'd reccomend Sawfish as well though. Sean Preben Randhol wrote: Dinesh Nadarajah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 30/06/2000 (23:37) : I am looking for a window manager for debian that will not soakup the system resources. Which one would you suggest? First keep well away from Enlightenment. It uses a lot of resources on absolutely nothing (e.i eye-candy). I'd recommend WindowMaker or Sawfish. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null __ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/
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hi there ... my box is rather old (P 200, 64 Megs RAM) and I tried both WindowMaker and Enlightenment and compared to WindowMaker Enlightenment is SLOW ... (the same with Gnome) On Mon, 03 Jul 2000 09:53:54 -0400, Sean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually the latest Enlightenment (using the default configuration) uses about the same amount of resources as Window Maker. Personally I'd reccomend Sawfish as well though. Sean Preben Randhol wrote: Dinesh Nadarajah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 30/06/2000 (23:37) : I am looking for a window manager for debian that will not soakup the system resources. Which one would you suggest? First keep well away from Enlightenment. It uses a lot of resources on absolutely nothing (e.i eye-candy). I'd recommend WindowMaker or Sawfish. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
RE: Which window manager
fvwm2 has always been my favorite. It takes signigicantly less time to load than Gnome and I have nerver seen any lag in performance because of it. Andy -Original Message- From: Dinesh Nadarajah [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 5:37 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Which window manager I am looking for a window manager for debian that will not soakup the system resources. Which one would you suggest? Thanks. -D __ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
RE: Which window manager
-Original Message- From: Pollywog [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 July 2000 15:04 To: debian-user list Subject: Re: Which window manager On 03-Jul-2000 13:53:54 Sean wrote: Actually the latest Enlightenment (using the default configuration) uses about the same amount of resources as Window Maker. Personally I'd reccomend Sawfish as well though. You mean Sawmill? It's been renamed to Sawfish. There is, apparently, another product called Sawmill. Many of the pages still mention sawmill though, (e.g. http://sawmill.themes.org) See http://sawmill.sourceforge.net (see?!) for details. Simon Jefford.
Re: Which window manager
No, he means Sawfish. For you and the previous poster - Sawmill was renamed to Sawfish due to some issues regarding the use of the name Sawmill. It's all documented on the home page. Cheers, Corey Popelier http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~pancreas Work Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, 3 Jul 2000, Pollywog wrote: On 03-Jul-2000 13:53:54 Sean wrote: Actually the latest Enlightenment (using the default configuration) uses about the same amount of resources as Window Maker. Personally I'd reccomend Sawfish as well though. You mean Sawmill? -- Andrew -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Which window manager
Sean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 03/07/2000 (15:57) : Actually the latest Enlightenment (using the default configuration) uses about the same amount of resources as Window Maker. Maybe but I find that very hard to believe. My current WindowMaker leaves this print: VSZ = 3432 RSS = 1248 -- Preben Randhol -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.pvv.org/~randhol/ +---+ There was, I think, never any reason to believe in any innate | ! | superiority of the male, except his superior muscle. +---+ -- Bertrand Russell, Ideas That Have Harmed Mankind (1950)
Sawfish or fvwm? (was: Re: Which window manager)
Hi people, I use fvwm... And I've heard of Sawfish, that I've read is very fast. But, which one is faster, fvwm or Sawfish? (with a ISA-16 bit video card with the config file totally hacked I still need more speed, victim of capitalism I am!) Thank you. Ignasi _ \___||/ \__| els fills abandonats |___/ \_||__/ from BarcelonaCatalonia ___ Do You Yahoo!? Achetez, vendez! À votre prix! Sur http://encheres.yahoo.fr
Re: Which window manager
Dinesh Nadarajah [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am looking for a window manager for debian that will not soakup the system resources. Which one would you suggest? Thanks. -D My favourite combo is sawfish (CoolClean Theme) with tkdesk (Be'ish style) instead of gnome-panel. Sawfish is not much heavier than icewm but has an additional xkill window menu item. OTOH, icewm can iconize windows to the screen and not just hide them. Icewm is better than asclassic insofar as there are buttons to toggle the full screen window view. If you want a really leightweight window manager, go for flwm. Andre
Re: Which window manager
Dinesh Nadarajah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 30/06/2000 (23:37) : I am looking for a window manager for debian that will not soakup the system resources. Which one would you suggest? First keep well away from Enlightenment. It uses a lot of resources on absolutely nothing (e.i eye-candy). I'd recommend WindowMaker or Sawfish. -- Preben Randhol -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.pvv.org/~randhol/ +---+ There was, I think, never any reason to believe in any innate | ! | superiority of the male, except his superior muscle. +---+ -- Bertrand Russell, Ideas That Have Harmed Mankind (1950)
Which window manager
I am looking for a window manager for debian that will not soakup the system resources. Which one would you suggest? Thanks. -D __ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/
RE: Which window manager
On 30-Jun-2000 Dinesh Nadarajah wrote: I am looking for a window manager for debian that will not soakup the system resources. Which one would you suggest? I maintain blackbox it was designed to be minimal. Another popular choice is window maker, with all the bells and whistles turned off.
RE: Which window manager
From: Dinesh Nadarajah [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I am looking for a window manager for debian that will not soakup the system resources. Which one would you suggest? If you're going to run Gnome, I'd suggest using Helix-Gnome (on Woody) and the version of Sawfish that comes with it. Sawfish is really bare-bones in some ways, but Gnome handles everything else quite well. Sawfish is very extensible and programmable in Lisp, which is a big selling point for me. This is what I use now. Without using Gnome, I'd suggest WindowMaker. I used it for quite a while, too. Enlightenment can really use up CPU cycles, though it's not too bad if you turn off most of the eye-candy (in which case, why use it?). Gnome+Enlightenment is so slow starting up I almost thought I must've accidently booted into my Windows NT4 partition... I'm afraid I don't know much about the others available. Larry
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icewm (ice window manager) is another good one - very simple and easy on resources. Tom Dinesh Nadarajah wrote: I am looking for a window manager for debian that will not soakup the system resources. Which one would you suggest? Thanks. -D
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Dinesh Nadarajah wrote: I am looking for a window manager for debian that will not soakup the system resources. Which one would you suggest? I like mwm in lesstif, the libraries from which are required for nedit, my favorite editor. However, the lesstif package containing mwm doesn't seem to Provides: window-manager, dselect nagged me to install one of the Recommended window managers. I chose lwm, since it took up the least space.
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...icewm (with liquid for a theme). it's clean and doesn't remind me of m$. (be sure to apt-get iceconf so you can hide the taskbar and use cool background images.) hth. bentley taylor // Dinesh Nadarajah wrote: I am looking for a window manager for debian that will not soakup the system resources. Which one would you suggest? Thanks. -D __ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
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Bolan Meek wrote: Dinesh Nadarajah wrote: I am looking for a window manager for debian that will not soakup the system resources. Which one would you suggest? I like mwm in lesstif, the libraries from which are required for nedit, my favorite editor. However, the lesstif package containing mwm doesn't seem to Provides: window-manager, dselect nagged me to install one of the Recommended window managers. I chose lwm, since it took up the least space. You should report that as a bug against lesstif, if you haven't already. -- It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. - Voltaire Ed C.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like mwm in lesstif, the libraries from which are required for nedit, my favorite editor. However, the lesstif package containing mwm doesn't seem to Provides: window-manager, dselect nagged me to install one of the Recommended window managers. I imagine this is a bug; I've filed one (always a good plan :)). -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I am looking for a window manager for debian that will not soakup the system resources. Which one would you suggest? I remain fond of asclassic---small, light, simple, good-looking and very configurable. It's an old version of Afterstep, maintained for those who like the basic features of Afterstep, who actually like to hand edit configuration files (.steprc), and who don't favour the eye-candy that later versions of Afterstep indulge in, Jim
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I've grown fond of scwm. Like sawmill, it's an extremely configurable window manager, using guile (instead of sawmill's elisp-ish language) as an extension/customization language. --Miguel Martin Fluch [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, Tam Than Ma wrote: As of right now, I am currenlty running fvwm, and I want to know if I should stick with this window manager or install a different. And if so, what do you guys recommend? Keep in mind that I am running Debian on a slow computer, so speed is big plus. But a manager that provides nice looking feature is nice too :). I used FVWM for a very long time (about 3 years I guess) when I installed sawmill a few weeks ago, and I was fascinated by this window manager by the first moment. Martin
Which window manager do you recommend?
hi guys, As of right now, I am currenlty running fvwm, and I want to know if I should stick with this window manager or install a different. And if so, what do you guys recommend? Keep in mind that I am running Debian on a slow computer, so speed is big plus. But a manager that provides nice looking feature is nice too :). Also, i want to install KDE desktop managerCan u guys tell if this package is on the official released binary CDs (SLINK) or do I have to download it from the web? Thanks all, Tam PS-thank you, Kent West and Micheal Stenner for helping me with my last problem.
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, Tam Than Ma wrote: As of right now, I am currenlty running fvwm, and I want to know if I should stick with this window manager or install a different. And if so, what do you guys recommend? Keep in mind that I am running Debian on a slow computer, so speed is big plus. But a manager that provides nice looking feature is nice too :). I used FVWM for a very long time (about 3 years I guess) when I installed sawmill a few weeks ago, and I was fascinated by this window manager by the first moment. Martin - -- Where do you want to go today? - As far from Redmond as possible! For public PGP-key: finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBOEP0W7CGSMW7I2etAQGuMgQAq/viXWI5PaWhpcegML73sYZEie/43wr1 e8bWDvckcvd6oprH2CTAYLdNXv29Ku+zMr7X1uyzRtoJv/V6bB6tgcZBFNQFXqkL ei38w26GeuAsoQZ89HJ8+KlRXWEjmjEkoSmIQF/XZuLY0MKC4nAwgjRB2oIsCs6j iUYWDCChWWk= =neX9 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
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A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far way, someone said... hi guys, As of right now, I am currenlty running fvwm, and I want to know if I should stick with this window manager or install a different. And if so, what do you guys recommend? Keep in mind that I am running Debian on a slow computer, so speed is big plus. But a manager that provides nice looking feature is nice too :). I like to use WindowMaker in those situations. Also, i want to install KDE desktop managerCan u guys tell if this package is on the official released binary CDs (SLINK) or do I have to download it from the web? KDE isn't distributed on the slink binary CDs - you'll need to get them off the web. http://kde.tdyc.com has all the info you need. -- -- Phil Brutsche [EMAIL PROTECTED] There are two things that are infinite; Human stupidity and the universe. And I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert Einstein
