Re: Why use COPS?
From Russell Shaw on Wednesday, 2003-03-19 at 14:59:01 +1100: Conrad Newton wrote: From Deryk Barker on Tuesday, 2003-03-18 at 13:26:51 -0800: ... But I half suspect that the Epson Stylus Color 800 is less well supported because it is an older printer. The 850 and the C82 are more recent, so it is perhaps not surprising that they are less problematic. The stylus color 400 is even older, and cups works perfectly with both the stylus 400 and 440 i've got, using the included cups ppd. OK, so maybe I have a different problem. The fact remains that using two different computers and two different distributions (Mandrake and Debian) I have twice experienced that CUPS melts down completely, meaning that I although I can print a test page, at some point an ordinary print job yields garbage on the page, and although I kill the job and clean out the queue in /var/spool/cups, I get mostly garbage thereafter. I did everything I could think of to clean out the system, short of completely reinstalling CUPS, but the problems remained. The only guesses that I could make---maybe both are wrong--- is that CUPS does not interact well with the old lpr-based laptop on my network, or that it is unhappy with my long parallel port cable (3m). There was an explicit mention of Epson and sensitivity to long parallel port cables in the documentation. But I do not see why I should have to live with a problem of that kind, since I never had it before. I was enormously frustrated with these problems when they first appeared, because my first impression was that CUPS was very simple to set up and operate, and functioned beautifully. I would use it if the problems had not occured. Conrad -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why use COPS?
Conrad Newton wrote: From Russell Shaw on Wednesday, 2003-03-19 at 14:59:01 +1100: Conrad Newton wrote: From Deryk Barker on Tuesday, 2003-03-18 at 13:26:51 -0800: ... But I half suspect that the Epson Stylus Color 800 is less well supported because it is an older printer. The 850 and the C82 are more recent, so it is perhaps not surprising that they are less problematic. The stylus color 400 is even older, and cups works perfectly with both the stylus 400 and 440 i've got, using the included cups ppd. OK, so maybe I have a different problem. The fact remains that using two different computers and two different distributions (Mandrake and Debian) I have twice experienced that CUPS melts down completely, meaning that I although I can print a test page, at some point an ordinary print job yields garbage on the page, and although I kill the job and clean out the queue in /var/spool/cups, I get mostly garbage thereafter. I did everything I could think of to clean out the system, short of completely reinstalling CUPS, but the problems remained. The only guesses that I could make---maybe both are wrong--- is that CUPS does not interact well with the old lpr-based laptop on my network, or that it is unhappy with my long parallel port cable (3m). There was an explicit mention of Epson and sensitivity to long parallel port cables in the documentation. But I do not see why I should have to live with a problem of that kind, since I never had it before. I was enormously frustrated with these problems when they first appeared, because my first impression was that CUPS was very simple to set up and operate, and functioned beautifully. I would use it if the problems had not occured. I have: /etc/cups/ppd/Stylus400.ppd and i use lp to print (not lpr). Stylus400.ppd came with cups. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why use COPS?
On Wed, 19 Mar 2003 23:09:30 +1100 Russell Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have: /etc/cups/ppd/Stylus400.ppd and i use lp to print (not lpr). Stylus400.ppd came with cups. cupsys-bsd includes a suite of lpd-type commands; the lp you use to print is probably one of these. Kevin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why use COPS?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: cupsys-bsd includes a suite of lpd-type commands; the lp you use to print is probably one of these. lp is the sysv command that's standard with CUPS, lpr would be the bsd version. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. Looking for a developer in St. Louis? http://web.springies.com/~ats/ What beam through yonder saucer-section carves? 'Tis the Borg? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why use COPS?
On Wed, 19 Mar 2003 16:26:17 -0500 Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: lp is the sysv command that's standard with CUPS, lpr would be the bsd version. CUPS provides lp, lpr, lprm, lpq, lpstat, and maybe^^probably some other commands I don't know about. I can use all of those and I don't have any other printing system installed. Kevin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why use COPS?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: CUPS provides lp, lpr, lprm, lpq, lpstat, and maybe^^probably some other commands I don't know about. Understood. I was just clarifying that lpr, lprm, lpq are the BSD versions of the commands, in the cupsys-bsd package. lp is the SYSV print command, from the cupsys-client package (along with enable, disable, cancel and lpstat). -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. Looking for a developer in St. Louis? http://web.springies.com/~ats/ Democrats and Republicans -- Partners in crime. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Why use COPS?
A preliminary attempt to set up CUPS was rather demanding and I'm wondering if there is much point on a single-user system. Most of my printing is quite straightforward (plain text and only occasional images) and it works well with apsfilter or magicfilter, so is there any reason to spend several hours trying to get CUPS to work? Any significant advantage with that system? AC -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]|| http://www.acampbell.org.uk using Linux GNU/Debian || for book reviews, electronic Windows-free zone || books and skeptical articles -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why use COPS?
On Tue, Mar 18, 2003 at 04:01:18PM +, Anthony Campbell wrote: A preliminary attempt to set up CUPS was rather demanding and I'm wondering if there is much point on a single-user system. Most of my printing is quite straightforward (plain text and only occasional images) and it works well with apsfilter or magicfilter, so is there any reason to spend several hours trying to get CUPS to work? Any significant advantage with that system? I could NEVER get CUPS working, but I will admit the setup is a bit strange. I have the local spooler collect jobs and route them to a bunch of HP JetDirect printers. Like I said, with CUPS, this never worked. I gave up, installed lprng and it worked within 5 minutes. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why use COPS?
A preliminary attempt to set up CUPS was rather demanding and I'm wondering if there is much point on a single-user system. Most of my printing is quite straightforward (plain text and only occasional images) and it works well with apsfilter or magicfilter, so is there any reason to spend several hours trying to get CUPS to work? Any significant advantage with that system? No, there is not a reason to spend sever hours. CUPS can be installed in 2 minutes at worst possibilities. The primary advantage is a robust and flexible print server, works great with samba for w$ nets. I recommend. Guilherme Viebig Debian usr/adm - because code matters more than commercials -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why use COPS?
Anthony Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A preliminary attempt to set up CUPS was rather demanding and I'm wondering if there is much point on a single-user system. I found it easier to use on my system than other systems. If you want to be able to drop in PPD files for various printers to use printer-specific features, or have lots of printers you might be talking to, it is worth the effort, especially if they're all postscript printers. If you just have single printer and you're just spewing text at it with an occasional PS document, especially if it's an inkjet not supported out of the box by CUPS, it's probably not worth it. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. Looking for a developer in St. Louis? http://web.springies.com/~ats/ Only dead fish swim with the stream -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why use COPS?
Matthew Daubenspeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I could NEVER get CUPS working, but I will admit the setup is a bit strange. I have the local spooler collect jobs and route them to a bunch of HP JetDirect printers. Like I said, with CUPS, this never worked. What problem did you have? I just added a direct queue to our LJ4000 jetdirect port. Took about 30 seconds, and works fine. (Normally, I go through our NT queue.) I didn't use a specific PPD for it as I normally would since I don't know where it is, offhand. I didn't try going to the LPR port on the jetdirect, that's usually pickier since you have to know the queue, but assuming you've got the CUPS web admin set up, it should be easy. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. Looking for a developer in St. Louis? http://web.springies.com/~ats/ I found the ANY key! It's next to the OTHER key. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why use COPS?
From Matthew Daubenspeck on Tuesday, 2003-03-18 at 11:27:12 -0500: On Tue, Mar 18, 2003 at 04:01:18PM +, Anthony Campbell wrote: A preliminary attempt to set up CUPS was rather demanding and I'm wondering if there is much point on a single-user system. Most of my printing is quite straightforward (plain text and only occasional images) and it works well with apsfilter or magicfilter, so is there any reason to spend several hours trying to get CUPS to work? Any significant advantage with that system? I could NEVER get CUPS working, but I will admit the setup is a bit strange. I have the local spooler collect jobs and route them to a bunch of HP JetDirect printers. Like I said, with CUPS, this never worked. I gave up, installed lprng and it worked within 5 minutes. My only problem in setting up CUPS was that the drivers for my printer (Epson Stylus Color 800) did not work. I saw something in the manual about difficulties with long parallel port cables (mine is 3m), but this had never been a problem before. I have tried to get CUPS working both under Debian and under Mandrake, and both times I had the problem that, sooner or later, the printer starts printing out garbage, and I cannot get things working again. Like you, I gave up and installed lprng (with printtool). Now the printer is stable again. Conrad -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why use COPS?
On Tue, Mar 18, 2003 at 12:15:03PM -0500, Alan Shutko wrote: What problem did you have? I just added a direct queue to our LJ4000 jetdirect port. Took about 30 seconds, and works fine. (Normally, I go through our NT queue.) I didn't use a specific PPD for it as I normally would since I don't know where it is, offhand. I didn't try going to the LPR port on the jetdirect, that's usually pickier since you have to know the queue, but assuming you've got the CUPS web admin set up, it should be easy. Every time I tried to print anything, it would just spit out blank pages... What did you use as the address for the printer in the CUPS setup? -- :wq! Matthew Daubenspeck http://www.oddprocess.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why use COPS?
Anthony Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A preliminary attempt to set up CUPS was rather demanding and I'm wondering if there is much point on a single-user system. Most of my printing is quite straightforward (plain text and only occasional images) and it works well with apsfilter or magicfilter, so is there any reason to spend several hours trying to get CUPS to work? Any significant advantage with that system? I experienced the converse. I had a lot of trouble with lpd and lprng (along with magicfilter, etc.) so I tried CUPS at work and was printing (to a network printer) in minutes. It was refreshingly easy. I only have a single printer at home, and again, I was printing to that in minutes too. Now, granted, it's an HP OfficeJet, so I later spent some time with the hpijs driver and hpoj server to improve the quality of the printing (and to work the scanner). The biggest downside was that I also had to learn foomatic to compile a new PPD file (and filed a bug that the generation of the PPD file should be automatic, or at least that foomatic-compiledb should be run to build all of the PPD files when the package is installed so that one sees all of the printers in the menu). But the cupsomatic-ppd package includes a LOT of PPD files which are installed in the right place (/usr/share/cups/model) so some might find that easier to use. While you might have just one printer, you may access it in different ways. The web interface makes it easy for me to create different printer queues for single-sided printing, double-sided printing, toggled printing (double-sided the way the county likes it), color photos, etc. I never did figure out how to enable the double-sided printing at all with magicfilter. I found CUPS to be much easier, and much more powerful, than the alternatives. -- Bill Wohler [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.newt.com/wohler/ GnuPG ID:610BD9AD Maintainer of comp.mail.mh FAQ and MH-E. Vote Libertarian! If you're passed on the right, you're in the wrong lane. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why use COPS?
Matthew Daubenspeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What did you use as the address for the printer in the CUPS setup? socket://itlaser4:9100/ -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. Looking for a developer in St. Louis? http://web.springies.com/~ats/ Don't need to be born again - Did it right the 1st time. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why use COPS?
said Anthony Campbell (on 2003-03-18), A preliminary attempt to set up CUPS was rather demanding and I'm wondering if there is much point on a single-user system. Most of my printing is quite straightforward (plain text and only occasional images) and it works well with apsfilter or magicfilter, so is there any reason to spend several hours trying to get CUPS to work? Any significant advantage with that system? I recently set up CUPS on a single user system. After I correctly set up the parallel port, CUPS worked perfectly right out of the box - no tweaking necessary. Geordie. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why use COPS?
Anthony Campbell said: A preliminary attempt to set up CUPS was rather demanding and I'm wondering if there is much point on a single-user system. Most of my printing is quite straightforward (plain text and only occasional images) and it works well with apsfilter or magicfilter, so is there any reason to spend several hours trying to get CUPS to work? Any significant advantage with that system? if apsfilter/magicfilter is easier then go for it. in my experience cups is far easier to configure then any other printing system i've used(provided, of course drivers are available for your printer in the cups that comes with debian, if it is not then..it can become VERY complicated to setup). i use cups on all my client machines, which spool to a lpd running cups on my print server. I suppose I could print directly via ipp or whatever but spooling to lpd is easy too nate -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why use COPS?
Thus spake Conrad Newton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): From Matthew Daubenspeck on Tuesday, 2003-03-18 at 11:27:12 -0500: On Tue, Mar 18, 2003 at 04:01:18PM +, Anthony Campbell wrote: A preliminary attempt to set up CUPS was rather demanding and I'm wondering if there is much point on a single-user system. Most of my printing is quite straightforward (plain text and only occasional images) and it works well with apsfilter or magicfilter, so is there any reason to spend several hours trying to get CUPS to work? Any significant advantage with that system? I could NEVER get CUPS working, but I will admit the setup is a bit strange. I have the local spooler collect jobs and route them to a bunch of HP JetDirect printers. Like I said, with CUPS, this never worked. I gave up, installed lprng and it worked within 5 minutes. My only problem in setting up CUPS was that the drivers for my printer (Epson Stylus Color 800) did not work. I saw something in the manual about difficulties with long parallel port cables (mine is 3m), but this had never been a problem before. Hmmm. I used to use my Stylus Color 850 quite succesfully (until the damn thing broke). Now using a Styls C82, also installed via CUPS in around 30 seconds. Tip: use the web interface to CUPS, it's so much easier. -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why use COPS?
From Deryk Barker on Tuesday, 2003-03-18 at 13:26:51 -0800: Thus spake Conrad Newton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): My only problem in setting up CUPS was that the drivers for my printer (Epson Stylus Color 800) did not work. I saw something in the manual about difficulties with long parallel port cables (mine is 3m), but this had never been a problem before. Hmmm. I used to use my Stylus Color 850 quite succesfully (until the damn thing broke). Now using a Styls C82, also installed via CUPS in around 30 seconds. Tip: use the web interface to CUPS, it's so much easier. I did use the web interface. I may have been too impatient. Probably I should have experimented more with different drivers. In my defense, I can only say that I was using the recommended driver for my printer, so it should have worked. I suppose I could have experimented with a shorter cable. But I half suspect that the Epson Stylus Color 800 is less well supported because it is an older printer. The 850 and the C82 are more recent, so it is perhaps not surprising that they are less problematic. Conrad -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why use COPS?
Conrad Newton wrote: From Deryk Barker on Tuesday, 2003-03-18 at 13:26:51 -0800: ... But I half suspect that the Epson Stylus Color 800 is less well supported because it is an older printer. The 850 and the C82 are more recent, so it is perhaps not surprising that they are less problematic. The stylus color 400 is even older, and cups works perfectly with both the stylus 400 and 440 i've got, using the included cups ppd. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
