Re: are aptitude and synaptic compatible?
Martin adsrtg-ml...@yahoo.com.au wrote: I mean can I install/deinstall packages once with aptitude then with synaptic without worry that something will break? Not if you use a preferences file with pinning. Aptitude honours it. Synaptic ignores it. Chris -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/hri977x21v@news.roaima.co.uk
Re: are aptitude and synaptic compatible?
On 2010-03-15 01:06 +0100, Omar Campagne wrote: On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 05:12:35PM +0200, Aioanei Rares wrote: Martin wrote: I mean can I install/deinstall packages once with aptitude then with synaptic without worry that something will break? They both use same database of installed packages, right? I guess the answer is 'yes' - I just want to be sure. Martin Nothing will break, but note that aptitude keeps a more severe tracking of what is installed, meaning that, over time, you will get more orphaned packages than what you'll get by using only aptitude. This is wrong in Lenny and later. The only difference is that aptitude will by default remove orphaned packages automatically whereas apt-get (and probably synaptic as well) will keep them and require you to run »apt-get autoremove« once in a while. Again, this is only the default setting and can be changed. OTOH, use deborphan (orphanar - curses interface or gtkorphan) to keep an eye on those packages. It is better to use aptitude (un)markauto or apt-mark (un)markauto to let apt know about which packages you care about. These days, deborphan is (thankfully) pretty much obsolete. Sven -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87zl2ac8s7@turtle.gmx.de
Re: are aptitude and synaptic compatible?
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 05:12:35PM +0200, Aioanei Rares wrote: Martin wrote: I mean can I install/deinstall packages once with aptitude then with synaptic without worry that something will break? They both use same database of installed packages, right? I guess the answer is 'yes' - I just want to be sure. Martin Nothing will break, but note that aptitude keeps a more severe tracking of what is installed, meaning that, over time, you will get more orphaned packages than what you'll get by using only aptitude. OTOH, use deborphan (orphanar - curses interface or gtkorphan) to keep an eye on those packages. Omar Campagne Polaino vim-doc-es: http://www.assembla.com/wiki/show/vim-doc-es -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100315000651.ga13...@gmail.com
are aptitude and synaptic compatible?
I mean can I install/deinstall packages once with aptitude then with synaptic without worry that something will break? They both use same database of installed packages, right? I guess the answer is 'yes' - I just want to be sure. Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100313131350.ga2...@alfa
Re: are aptitude and synaptic compatible?
Martin wrote: I mean can I install/deinstall packages once with aptitude then with synaptic without worry that something will break? They both use same database of installed packages, right? I guess the answer is 'yes' - I just want to be sure. Martin yes. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4b9bab63.2040...@gmail.com
Re: mixing aptitude and synaptic
kamaraju kusumanchi wrote: Is it OK to mix aptitude and synaptic? I know that it is not good to mix apt-get and aptitude. But what about using synaptic sometimes and aptitude sometimes? any suggestions? Please CC me on the replies as I am not subscribe to d-u. Both synaptic and aptitude are just front ends to apt, it shouldn't be a problem to use any combination of them -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mixing aptitude and synaptic
kamaraju kusumanchi wrote: Is it OK to mix aptitude and synaptic? I know that it is not good to mix apt-get and aptitude. But what about using synaptic sometimes and aptitude sometimes? any suggestions? Please CC me on the replies as I am not subscribe to d-u. Both synaptic and aptitude are just front ends to apt, it shouldn't be a problem to use any combination of them -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mixing aptitude and synaptic
Black Dew wrote: kamaraju kusumanchi wrote: Is it OK to mix aptitude and synaptic? I know that it is not good to mix apt-get and aptitude. But what about using synaptic sometimes and aptitude sometimes? any suggestions? Please CC me on the replies as I am not subscribe to d-u. Both synaptic and aptitude are just front ends to apt, it shouldn't be a problem to use any combination of them I don't think that this is true. Aptitude is not a front end for apt-get. That said, I use both interchangeably with no problems. There is one snag. Aptitude keeps a note of packages that have been installed manually (as opposed to being installed automatically as dependencies). The result is that it assumes that any packages installed using Synaptic were not manually installed. This means that Aptitude sometimes wants to remove a number of your packages because it assumes that they are no longer needed. The solution (thanks to Magnus Therning in a previous post) is to run # aptitude unmarkauto --schedule-only '~i' before running Aptitude commands. Hth, Chris. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mixing aptitude and synaptic
On Monday 22 May 2006 17:39, Chris Lale wrote this for perusal by us all: --- Black Dew wrote: --- --- kamaraju kusumanchi wrote: --- --- Is it OK to mix aptitude and synaptic? I know that it is not good to --- mix apt-get and aptitude. But what about using synaptic sometimes and --- aptitude sometimes? any suggestions? --- --- Please CC me on the replies as I am not subscribe to d-u. --- --- --- Both synaptic and aptitude are just front ends to apt, it shouldn't be --- a problem to use any combination of them --- --- --- I don't think that this is true. Aptitude is not a front end for --- apt-get. That said, I use both interchangeably with no problems. --- --- There is one snag. Aptitude keeps a note of packages that have been --- installed manually (as opposed to being installed automatically as --- dependencies). The result is that it assumes that any packages installed --- using Synaptic were not manually installed. This means that Aptitude --- sometimes wants to remove a number of your packages because it assumes --- that they are no longer needed. The solution (thanks to Magnus Therning --- in a previous post) is to run --- --- # aptitude unmarkauto --schedule-only '~i' --- --- before running Aptitude commands. --- --- Hth, --- Chris. I use apt-get and synaptic and find no problem whatsoever. But it will work as it seems aptitude does, if I want to mark smart updates. It will then attempt to remove programs to upgrade others. If that is not invoked, then all runs as it should. Charlie -- Registered Linux User:- 329524 +++ Religion is not to go to God by forsaking the world but to find Him in it. Our faith is to believe in our essential oneness with Him. God is in us and we in Him must be made the most fundamental faith of all religions. -- SOEN SHAKU *** Brilliant Debian Sarge 3.1 ___ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mixing aptitude and synaptic
OK, I have to jump in since there seems to be a lot of misinformation going around. Chris Lale [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There is one snag. Aptitude keeps a note of packages that have been installed manually (as opposed to being installed automatically as dependencies). The result is that it assumes that any packages installed using Synaptic were not manually installed. Aptitude sometimes wants to remove a number of your packages because it assumes that they are no longer needed. I think it is the other way round: that aptitude just remembers which packages are automatically installed. You should therefore be able to use synaptic or apt-get to install packages. aptitude won't remove them. The only downside is that aptitude will not remove the dependencies that these other packages have installed automatically. See below. I have a feeling that folks might have selected a new (or old) package which caused dependency cascades to happen and blamed it on apt-get or synaptic. The solution (thanks to Magnus Therning in a previous post) is to run # aptitude unmarkauto --schedule-only '~i' before running Aptitude commands. Wow, this pretty much just ruins one of the great features of aptitude. After running this, aptitude will never remove dependencies that are no longer needed. What would be more useful is to run aptitude markauto on those packages which apt-get and synaptic install automatically as dependencies. -- Bill Wohler [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.newt.com/wohler/ GnuPG ID:610BD9AD Maintainer of comp.mail.mh FAQ and MH-E. Vote Libertarian! If you're passed on the right, you're in the wrong lane. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mixing aptitude and synaptic
Is it OK to mix aptitude and synaptic? I know that it is not good to mix apt-get and aptitude. But what about using synaptic sometimes and aptitude sometimes? any suggestions?Please CC me on the replies as I am not subscribe to d-u. thanksraju
aptitude and synaptic
The recent discussion about 'apt-get' and 'aptitude' was interesting and useful (I've used 'aptitude' for years). It appeared that the consensus was not to mix the two. What about 'aptitude' and 'synaptic'? Is it safe to use one, and then the other ... i.e., mixed use? Thanks for your ideas! -- Prof Kenneth H Jacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computer Science Dept www.cs.appstate.edu/~khj Appalachian State Univ Boone, NC 28608 USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
aptitude and synaptic
Does Synaptic's ability to remove including any orphaned dependencies do as good a job as the inate abilities of aptitude? I've recently abandoned apt in favor of aptitude for its ability to track and automatically remove unneeded dependencies. However, I really like Synaptic, but want to be sure it can deal automatically with dependencies as well. This is all under Sid, by the way. -- me.kirchhoff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: aptitude, dselect, synaptic at the same time
Petr Vanek wrote: On Mon, Jun 17, 2002 at 09:12:41AM +0800, Dan Jacobson wrote: If one sometimes uses aptitude sometimes uses synaptic sometimes uses dselect, and in each sometimes quits out after making his selections and then not following thru and installing the packages, can this lead to an utter state of confusion? my expirience is, that apt-get and dselect say something completly different. i have been using aptitude and apt-get only with no more problems. maybe may question would be - could i uninstall dselect - is that even possible without making problems in dpkg system? I believe you can get apt-get to install dselect's selections with 'apt-get dselect-upgrade'. I've never used aptitude or synaptic, so I can't comment on those. Matthew -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: aptitude, dselect, synaptic at the same time
On Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 04:41:05AM +0200, Petr Vanek wrote: On Mon, Jun 17, 2002 at 09:12:41AM +0800, Dan Jacobson wrote: If one sometimes uses aptitude sometimes uses synaptic sometimes uses dselect, and in each sometimes quits out after making his selections and then not following thru and installing the packages, can this lead to an utter state of confusion? my expirience is, that apt-get and dselect say something completly different. i have been using aptitude and apt-get only with no more problems. maybe may question would be - could i uninstall dselect - is that even possible without making problems in dpkg system? (apt-get and aptitudes) and dselect use different database. just run dselect update before doing dselect select. Then you should get same result, I think. Osamu -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki @ Cupertino CA USA See User's Guide: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/users-guide/ See Debian reference: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ Debian reference Project at: http://qref.sf.net I welcome your constructive criticisms and corrections. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: aptitude, dselect, synaptic at the same time
On Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 04:41:05AM +0200, Petr Vanek wrote: could i uninstall dselect - is that even possible without making problems in dpkg system? No, it's not possible yet. dselect will be split out into a separate package for the release after woody, but dpkg will pre-depend on it to ensure that upgrades work sensibly for people using dselect to perform the upgrade. In the release after *that*, I believe it will be possible to remove dselect. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
aptitude, dselect, synaptic at the same time
If one sometimes uses aptitude sometimes uses synaptic sometimes uses dselect, and in each sometimes quits out after making his selections and then not following thru and installing the packages, can this lead to an utter state of confusion? If one is going to mix and match these must one remember to always do the installs and deletes before trying another? -- http://jidanni.org/ Taiwan(04)25854780 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: aptitude, dselect, synaptic at the same time
On Mon, Jun 17, 2002 at 09:12:41AM +0800, Dan Jacobson wrote: If one sometimes uses aptitude sometimes uses synaptic sometimes uses dselect, and in each sometimes quits out after making his selections and then not following thru and installing the packages, can this lead to an utter state of confusion? my expirience is, that apt-get and dselect say something completly different. i have been using aptitude and apt-get only with no more problems. maybe may question would be - could i uninstall dselect - is that even possible without making problems in dpkg system? -- bye Vanous - Petr Vanek . ./\. Debian GNU Linux .. _|\| |/|_ .. [EMAIL PROTECTED].. \/... http://www.penguin.cz/~vanous... __ ... Angus, Ontario, CA .. / ... - Registered linux user #217487 pgpfSbCj4XW4K.pgp Description: PGP signature
