Re: booting Debian-6 in run level 3

2012-01-14 Thread Curt
On 2012-01-13, Andrei Popescu andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote:

 Just comparing the contents of /etc/rc1.d/ and /etc/rc2.d/ should give=20
 you a few hints.


Well, quite a few things are dead in runlevel one that are alive
in runlevel two, including the network (I said one was a subset of two).


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booting Debian-6 in run level 3

2012-01-13 Thread Bijoy Lobo
Hi Everyone,

I have read online that Debian Squeeze has no differentiation in runlevels
from 2-5, although I would like to boot my debian box in CLI mode. Any way
I can achieve this?

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Re: booting Debian-6 in run level 3

2012-01-13 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 5:51 AM, Bijoy Lobo bijoy.l...@paladion.net wrote:

 I have read online that Debian Squeeze has no differentiation in runlevels
 from 2-5, although I would like to boot my debian box in CLI mode.

You can add text to the linux grub line.


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Re: booting Debian-6 in run level 3

2012-01-13 Thread Darac Marjal
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 04:21:11PM +0530, Bijoy Lobo wrote:
Hi Everyone,
 
I have read online that Debian Squeeze has no differentiation in runlevels
from 2-5, although I would like to boot my debian box in CLI mode. Any way
I can achieve this?

Out of the box, this is true, but it is considered acceptable for system
maintainers to alter the runlevels.

First of all, you need to determine which Display Manager you're using
to start graphical mode. Usually this will be gdm or gdm3, but might be
kdm, xdm or something else. Find the init-script for that service
(/etc/init.d/gdm3, for example). At the top of the script you will find
a comment:

 # Default-Start: 2 3 4 5

Change this to read:

 # Default-Start: 2 4 5

Next up, find the link to that script in /etc/rc3.d (it will be SXXgdm3
for example, were XX is a number). Delete that symlink.

Your system should now be configured not to start the display manager in
runlevel 3 (if you intend to switch to runlevel 3 from another runlevel,
you will need to do extra work). The modification to the init script
should A) persist (it's a conffile so you'll get the opportunity to
merge changes at upgrades) and B) mean the symlink doesn't get put back.

Now, all you should need to do is reboot, adding 3 to the end of your
kernel command line.

 
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Re: booting Debian-6 in run level 3

2012-01-13 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Vi, 13 ian 12, 07:06:12, Tom H wrote:
 On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 5:51 AM, Bijoy Lobo bijoy.l...@paladion.net wrote:
 
  I have read online that Debian Squeeze has no differentiation in runlevels
  from 2-5, although I would like to boot my debian box in CLI mode.
 
 You can add text to the linux grub line.

Do you have a reference on this? It is the first time I hear about it in 
5+ years of Debian.

Thanks,
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Re: booting Debian-6 in run level 3

2012-01-13 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Vi, 13 ian 12, 12:13:52, Darac Marjal wrote:
 On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 04:21:11PM +0530, Bijoy Lobo wrote:
 Hi Everyone,
  
 I have read online that Debian Squeeze has no differentiation in 
  runlevels
 from 2-5, although I would like to boot my debian box in CLI mode. Any 
  way
 I can achieve this?
 
 Out of the box, this is true, but it is considered acceptable for system
 maintainers to alter the runlevels.
 
 First of all, you need to determine which Display Manager you're using
 to start graphical mode. Usually this will be gdm or gdm3, but might be
 kdm, xdm or something else. Find the init-script for that service
 (/etc/init.d/gdm3, for example). At the top of the script you will find
 a comment:
 
  # Default-Start: 2 3 4 5
 
 Change this to read:
 
  # Default-Start: 2 4 5
 
 Next up, find the link to that script in /etc/rc3.d (it will be SXXgdm3
 for example, were XX is a number). Delete that symlink.

This will work, but it is not the recommended way. As far as I know, 
under Sys V, the canonical method to disable a service in a specific 
runlevel is to rename the S link to a K link (plus some juggling with 
sequence numbers, which is obsolete with insserv). There is no need to 
edit init scripts.

I rather recommend sysv-rc-conf (but there are other tools like it) or 
even update-rc.d (there are examples in the man page).

Kind regards,
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Re: booting Debian-6 in run level 3

2012-01-13 Thread Brian
On Fri 13 Jan 2012 at 16:21:11 +0530, Bijoy Lobo wrote:

 I have read online that Debian Squeeze has no differentiation in runlevels
 from 2-5, although I would like to boot my debian box in CLI mode. Any way
 I can achieve this?

Your box already boots in CLI mode, it's just that you don't immediately
see it when using a Display Manager. CTRL+ALT+F1 will get you there.
However, if you mean you do not want X to start you have Tom H's neat
solution.


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Re: booting Debian-6 in run level 3

2012-01-13 Thread Brian
On Fri 13 Jan 2012 at 15:23:33 +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:

 On Vi, 13 ian 12, 07:06:12, Tom H wrote:
  
  You can add text to the linux grub line.
 
 Do you have a reference on this? It is the first time I hear about it in 
 5+ years of Debian.

/etc/init.d/gdm3


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Re: booting Debian-6 in run level 3

2012-01-13 Thread Don Juan

On 01/13/2012 05:27 AM, Brian wrote:

On Fri 13 Jan 2012 at 15:23:33 +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:


On Vi, 13 ian 12, 07:06:12, Tom H wrote:

You can add text to the linux grub line.

Do you have a reference on this? It is the first time I hear about it in
5+ years of Debian.

/etc/init.d/gdm3


Or you could just set it in inittab. You can also hit edit on grub and 
just type 3 after your boot options and will over ride the switch to run 
level 5 and go to 3



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Re: booting Debian-6 in run level 3

2012-01-13 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Vi, 13 ian 12, 05:47:10, Don Juan wrote:
 
 Or you could just set it in inittab. You can also hit edit on grub
 and just type 3 after your boot options and will over ride the
 switch to run level 5 and go to 3

There is no switch to runlevel 5 in stock Debian ;)
(because runlevels 2-5 are identical)

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Re: booting Debian-6 in run level 3

2012-01-13 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Vi, 13 ian 12, 13:27:56, Brian wrote:
 On Fri 13 Jan 2012 at 15:23:33 +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
  On Vi, 13 ian 12, 07:06:12, Tom H wrote:
   
   You can add text to the linux grub line.
  
  Do you have a reference on this? It is the first time I hear about it in 
  5+ years of Debian.
 
 /etc/init.d/gdm3

Interesting, even /etc/init.d/gdm has it (which makes it work even in 
Squeeze, if one uses gdm ;)

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Re: booting Debian-6 in run level 3

2012-01-13 Thread Don Juan

On 01/13/2012 06:02 AM, Andrei Popescu wrote:

On Vi, 13 ian 12, 05:47:10, Don Juan wrote:

Or you could just set it in inittab. You can also hit edit on grub
and just type 3 after your boot options and will over ride the
switch to run level 5 and go to 3

There is no switch to runlevel 5 in stock Debian ;)
(because runlevels 2-5 are identical)

Kind regards,
Andrei
Sure technically they are the same but also technically they are 
different (X vs. no X)  and you do switch from one run level to the 
other, If you just killed X you would no longer be in run level 5. Would 
change be more acceptable? :P


To me though the best would be in inittab since that is Linux wide way 
of switching the default booting run level



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Re: booting Debian-6 in run level 3

2012-01-13 Thread Darac Marjal
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 03:28:24PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
 On Vi, 13 ian 12, 12:13:52, Darac Marjal wrote:
  On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 04:21:11PM +0530, Bijoy Lobo wrote:
  Hi Everyone,
   
  I have read online that Debian Squeeze has no differentiation in 
   runlevels
  from 2-5, although I would like to boot my debian box in CLI mode. Any 
   way
  I can achieve this?
  
  Out of the box, this is true, but it is considered acceptable for system
  maintainers to alter the runlevels.
  
  First of all, you need to determine which Display Manager you're using
  to start graphical mode. Usually this will be gdm or gdm3, but might be
  kdm, xdm or something else. Find the init-script for that service
  (/etc/init.d/gdm3, for example). At the top of the script you will find
  a comment:
  
   # Default-Start: 2 3 4 5
  
  Change this to read:
  
   # Default-Start: 2 4 5
  
  Next up, find the link to that script in /etc/rc3.d (it will be SXXgdm3
  for example, were XX is a number). Delete that symlink.
 
 This will work, but it is not the recommended way. As far as I know, 
 under Sys V, the canonical method to disable a service in a specific 
 runlevel is to rename the S link to a K link (plus some juggling with 
 sequence numbers, which is obsolete with insserv). There is no need to 
 edit init scripts.

I agree that switching S to K is better than simply removing the link
(it allows you to switch to that runlevel from any other, for example),
but I don't agree that there's no need to edit the init script. Next
time insserv is run, won't the symlink just get switched back? The
better option is to move the 3 from Default-Start to Default-Stop
and let insserv re-render the rc?.d directories appropriately.




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Re: booting Debian-6 in run level 3

2012-01-13 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Vi, 13 ian 12, 06:16:15, Don Juan wrote:
 On 01/13/2012 06:02 AM, Andrei Popescu wrote:
 On Vi, 13 ian 12, 05:47:10, Don Juan wrote:
 Or you could just set it in inittab. You can also hit edit on grub
 and just type 3 after your boot options and will over ride the
 switch to run level 5 and go to 3
 There is no switch to runlevel 5 in stock Debian ;)
 (because runlevels 2-5 are identical)
 
 Kind regards,
 Andrei
 Sure technically they are the same but also technically they are
 different (X vs. no X)  and you do switch from one run level to the
 other, If you just killed X you would no longer be in run level 5.
 Would change be more acceptable? :P
 
 To me though the best would be in inittab since that is Linux wide
 way of switching the default booting run level

Sorry, but this is not what I meant.

By default, all runlevels in Debian are *identical*[1]. Because of this 
it makes no sense for switch/change or whatever to runlevel 5, which is 
why the default runlevel in Debian is 2 and not 5[2].

[1] actually there is a small difference in inittab itself ;)
[2] yes, I know other distros don't do it like this, and no, what they 
are doing is not a standard, it's just common practice. I've made this 
confusion too a few years ago :)

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Re: booting Debian-6 in run level 3

2012-01-13 Thread Dom

On 13/01/12 15:21, Darac Marjal wrote:

On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 03:28:24PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:

On Vi, 13 ian 12, 12:13:52, Darac Marjal wrote:

On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 04:21:11PM +0530, Bijoy Lobo wrote:

Hi Everyone,

I have read online that Debian Squeeze has no differentiation in runlevels
from 2-5, although I would like to boot my debian box in CLI mode. Any way
I can achieve this?


Out of the box, this is true, but it is considered acceptable for system
maintainers to alter the runlevels.

First of all, you need to determine which Display Manager you're using
to start graphical mode. Usually this will be gdm or gdm3, but might be
kdm, xdm or something else. Find the init-script for that service
(/etc/init.d/gdm3, for example). At the top of the script you will find
a comment:

  # Default-Start: 2 3 4 5

Change this to read:

  # Default-Start: 2 4 5

Next up, find the link to that script in /etc/rc3.d (it will be SXXgdm3
for example, were XX is a number). Delete that symlink.


This will work, but it is not the recommended way. As far as I know,
under Sys V, the canonical method to disable a service in a specific
runlevel is to rename the S link to a K link (plus some juggling with
sequence numbers, which is obsolete with insserv). There is no need to
edit init scripts.


I agree that switching S to K is better than simply removing the link
(it allows you to switch to that runlevel from any other, for example),
but I don't agree that there's no need to edit the init script. Next
time insserv is run, won't the symlink just get switched back? The
better option is to move the 3 from Default-Start to Default-Stop
and let insserv re-render the rc?.d directories appropriately.


Further to this, I'd prefer not to touch the scripts in /etc/init.d at all.

Instead I'd copy just the header part of the script to a file of the 
same name in /etc/insserv/overrides and run the insserv update command 
(I can't remember off the top of my head which options are required).


This means that updates to the start-up/shut-down scripts will still be 
applied, but the run levels will be controlled by the override scripts.


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Re: booting Debian-6 in run level 3

2012-01-13 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Vi, 13 ian 12, 15:21:27, Darac Marjal wrote:
 
 I agree that switching S to K is better than simply removing the link
 (it allows you to switch to that runlevel from any other, for example),
 but I don't agree that there's no need to edit the init script. Next
 time insserv is run, won't the symlink just get switched back? The
 better option is to move the 3 from Default-Start to Default-Stop
 and let insserv re-render the rc?.d directories appropriately.

$ ls -l /etc/rc2.d/K*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 oct 10 01:44 /etc/rc2.d/K01gdm - ../init.d/gdm
# update-rc.d gdm defaults
update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing
insserv: warning: current start runlevel(s) (3 4 5) of script `gdm' overwrites 
defaults (2 3 4 5).
insserv: warning: current stop runlevel(s) (0 1 2 6) of script `gdm' overwrites 
defaults (0 1 6).
$ ls -l /etc/rc2.d/K*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 oct 10 01:44 /etc/rc2.d/K01gdm - ../init.d/gdm

But you do probably get rid of those warnings if you edit the init.d 
script ;)
OTOH you will get a dpkg prompt every time there is some change to the 
script, even for changes in spacing, comments, etc.

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Re: booting Debian-6 in run level 3

2012-01-13 Thread Curt
On 2012-01-13, Bijoy Lobo bijoy.l...@paladion.net wrote:

 Hi Everyone,

 I have read online that Debian Squeeze has no differentiation in runlevels
 from 2-5, although I would like to boot my debian box in CLI mode. Any way
 I can achieve this?


For me the easiest way to boot into the cli is to either disable or
remove your display manager.

For gdm3, for instance, you could disable that puppy:

update-rc.d -f gdm3 remove

Next reboot you'll be in the console (I believe).

Then you can

startx

to start X.  That's the way I lived for many years.

Or you can:

service gdm3 start

if you want your display manager back for your X session.

You can always bring gdm3 back from the dead:

update-rc.d gdm3 defaults

I think that's the way it works, anyway.  Feels cludgy, but some of the other
solutions feel cludgy too.


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Re: booting Debian-6 in run level 3

2012-01-13 Thread Frank McCormick

On 13/01/12 11:40 AM, Curt wrote:

On 2012-01-13, Bijoy Lobobijoy.l...@paladion.net  wrote:


Hi Everyone,

I have read online that Debian Squeeze has no differentiation in runlevels
from 2-5, although I would like to boot my debian box in CLI mode. Any way
I can achieve this?



For me the easiest way to boot into the cli is to either disable or
remove your display manager.

For gdm3, for instance, you could disable that puppy:


  Isn't booting into maintenance mode basically the same as going to 
the cli?





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Re: booting Debian-6 in run level 3

2012-01-13 Thread hvw59601

Brian wrote:

On Fri 13 Jan 2012 at 15:23:33 +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:


On Vi, 13 ian 12, 07:06:12, Tom H wrote:

You can add text to the linux grub line.
Do you have a reference on this? It is the first time I hear about it in 
5+ years of Debian.


/etc/init.d/gdm3




Well I'll be darned. Just goes to show you that I ought to add to my 
reading list the scripts in /etc/init.d ;-)


But I don't find 'text' in kernel-parameters.txt of the kernel 
documentation.


Hugo


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Re: booting Debian-6 in run level 3

2012-01-13 Thread hvw59601

Andrei Popescu wrote:

On Vi, 13 ian 12, 13:27:56, Brian wrote:

On Fri 13 Jan 2012 at 15:23:33 +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:

On Vi, 13 ian 12, 07:06:12, Tom H wrote:

You can add text to the linux grub line.
Do you have a reference on this? It is the first time I hear about it in 
5+ years of Debian.

/etc/init.d/gdm3


Interesting, even /etc/init.d/gdm has it (which makes it work even in 
Squeeze, if one uses gdm ;)




But /etc/init.d/kdm does not so KDM users have to do something else.

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Re: booting Debian-6 in run level 3

2012-01-13 Thread Bob Proulx
hvw59601 wrote:
 Brian wrote:
 Andrei Popescu wrote:
 Tom H wrote:
 You can add text to the linux grub line.
 Do you have a reference on this? It is the first time I hear
 about it in 5+ years of Debian.
 
 /etc/init.d/gdm3
 
 But I don't find 'text' in kernel-parameters.txt of the kernel
 documentation.

It would be really strange to have the Linux kernel project be
documenting GNOME behavior and also the reverse of GNOME documenting
Linux kernel behavior.

Bob


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Re: booting Debian-6 in run level 3

2012-01-13 Thread hvw59601

Curt wrote:

On 2012-01-13, Bijoy Lobo bijoy.l...@paladion.net wrote:

Hi Everyone,

I have read online that Debian Squeeze has no differentiation in runlevels
from 2-5, although I would like to boot my debian box in CLI mode. Any way
I can achieve this?



For me the easiest way to boot into the cli is to either disable or
remove your display manager.

For gdm3, for instance, you could disable that puppy:

update-rc.d -f gdm3 remove

Next reboot you'll be in the console (I believe).

Then you can

startx

to start X.  That's the way I lived for many years.

Or you can:

service gdm3 start

if you want your display manager back for your X session.

You can always bring gdm3 back from the dead:

update-rc.d gdm3 defaults

I think that's the way it works, anyway.  Feels cludgy, but some of the other
solutions feel cludgy too.




When there was a *true* multi-seat option, meaning 1 box with more than 
1 keyboard/mouse/display, there was a reason for a display manager 
(gdm), the first X had VT consoles and the others did not and were 
enabled through GDM.


That option has disappeared with the improved GDM3 and thus the need 
for GDM3 itself has gone. Each user logs in as user and does 'startx'.


Hugo


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Re: booting Debian-6 in run level 3

2012-01-13 Thread hvw59601

Bob Proulx wrote:

hvw59601 wrote:

Brian wrote:

Andrei Popescu wrote:

Tom H wrote:

You can add text to the linux grub line.

Do you have a reference on this? It is the first time I hear
about it in 5+ years of Debian.

/etc/init.d/gdm3

But I don't find 'text' in kernel-parameters.txt of the kernel
documentation.


It would be really strange to have the Linux kernel project be
documenting GNOME behavior and also the reverse of GNOME documenting
Linux kernel behavior.



True. But then is there a synopsis of *all* possible parameters of the 
cmdline?


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Re: booting Debian-6 in run level 3

2012-01-13 Thread Curt
On 2012-01-13, Frank McCormick debianl...@videotron.ca wrote:


 For me the easiest way to boot into the cli is to either disable or
 remove your display manager.

 For gdm3, for instance, you could disable that puppy:

Isn't booting into maintenance mode basically the same as going to 
 the cli?


Well, it's going to the cli, but as root, with only a subset of the
regular system running (I think).  I can't seem to find the exact
definition of 'single user mode,' but I do not think it should be
considered the equivalent of simply running your machine without a
graphical user interface.


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Re: booting Debian-6 in run level 3

2012-01-13 Thread Brian
On Fri 13 Jan 2012 at 11:49:38 -0600, hvw59601 wrote:

 True. But then is there a synopsis of *all* possible parameters of the  
 cmdline?

If you look at what /etc/init.d/gdm3 does to get the 'text' parameter
the answer must be 'no'. The possible number is infinite.


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Re: booting Debian-6 in run level 3

2012-01-13 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Vi, 13 ian 12, 17:55:57, Curt wrote:
 
 Well, it's going to the cli, but as root, with only a subset of the
 regular system running (I think).  I can't seem to find the exact
 definition of 'single user mode,' but I do not think it should be
 considered the equivalent of simply running your machine without a
 graphical user interface.

Just comparing the contents of /etc/rc1.d/ and /etc/rc2.d/ should give 
you a few hints.

Kind regards,
Andrei
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Re: booting Debian-6 in run level 3

2012-01-13 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 8:23 AM, Andrei Popescu
andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Vi, 13 ian 12, 07:06:12, Tom H wrote:
 On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 5:51 AM, Bijoy Lobo bijoy.l...@paladion.net wrote:
 
  I have read online that Debian Squeeze has no differentiation in runlevels
  from 2-5, although I would like to boot my debian box in CLI mode.

 You can add text to the linux grub line.

 Do you have a reference on this? It is the first time I hear about it in
 5+ years of Debian.

I have no idea where I picked it up nor do I have a reference but,
AFAIK, it's a Debianism that's equivalent to not launching GDM/KDM/...
but having all other init daemons run.


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Re: booting Debian-6 in run level 3

2012-01-13 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 8:28 AM, Andrei Popescu
andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Vi, 13 ian 12, 12:13:52, Darac Marjal wrote:
 On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 04:21:11PM +0530, Bijoy Lobo wrote:
     Hi Everyone,
 
     I have read online that Debian Squeeze has no differentiation in 
  runlevels
     from 2-5, although I would like to boot my debian box in CLI mode. Any 
  way
     I can achieve this?

 Out of the box, this is true, but it is considered acceptable for system
 maintainers to alter the runlevels.

 First of all, you need to determine which Display Manager you're using
 to start graphical mode. Usually this will be gdm or gdm3, but might be
 kdm, xdm or something else. Find the init-script for that service
 (/etc/init.d/gdm3, for example). At the top of the script you will find
 a comment:

  # Default-Start:     2 3 4 5

 Change this to read:

  # Default-Start:     2 4 5

 Next up, find the link to that script in /etc/rc3.d (it will be SXXgdm3
 for example, were XX is a number). Delete that symlink.

 This will work, but it is not the recommended way. As far as I know,
 under Sys V, the canonical method to disable a service in a specific
 runlevel is to rename the S link to a K link (plus some juggling with
 sequence numbers, which is obsolete with insserv). There is no need to
 edit init scripts.

 I rather recommend sysv-rc-conf (but there are other tools like it) or
 even update-rc.d (there are examples in the man page).

You can use /etc/insserv/overrides to override the LSB defaults.


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Re: booting Debian-6 in run level 3

2012-01-13 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Don Juan donjuans...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 01/13/2012 05:27 AM, Brian wrote:
 On Fri 13 Jan 2012 at 15:23:33 +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
 On Vi, 13 ian 12, 07:06:12, Tom H wrote:

 You can add text to the linux grub line.

 Do you have a reference on this? It is the first time I hear about it in
 5+ years of Debian.

 /etc/init.d/gdm3

 Or you could just set it in inittab. You can also hit edit on grub and just
 type 3 after your boot options and will over ride the switch to run level 5
 and go to 3

Except that in Debian, 2-5 are the same.


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