Re: debian-multimedia.org gone?

2010-06-11 Thread Liam O'Toole
On 2010-06-11, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote:
 On 06/10/2010 04:38 PM, Tyler MacDonald wrote:
 Lisilisi.re...@gmail.com  wrote:
 Le disque a crashé. The drive has crashed. Christian Marillat est en
 train de restaurer ... Christian Marillat is being restored ...
 No - Christian Marillat is not being restored (Christian Marillat est en
 train d'être restauré), he is doing the restoring.

Somebody should restore Christian with a nice cold beer after all this
 work! :-)


 Beer?  I don't think that's allowed in France.

Sure it is. It's just that no one can afford it :-)`

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Re: debian-multimedia.org gone?

2010-06-11 Thread Iñigo Tejedor Arrondo
There was the google cache to find mirrors during downtime.

And...  and some files weren't deleted:
http://poisonbit.wordpress.com/2010/06/10/finding-nemo/


:-D




2010/6/11 Liam O'Toole liam.p.oto...@gmail.com:
 On 2010-06-11, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote:
 On 06/10/2010 04:38 PM, Tyler MacDonald wrote:
 Lisilisi.re...@gmail.com  wrote:
 Le disque a crashé. The drive has crashed. Christian Marillat est en
 train de restaurer ... Christian Marillat is being restored ...
 No - Christian Marillat is not being restored (Christian Marillat est en
 train d'être restauré), he is doing the restoring.

    Somebody should restore Christian with a nice cold beer after all this
 work! :-)


 Beer?  I don't think that's allowed in France.

 Sure it is. It's just that no one can afford it :-)`

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Re: debian-multimedia.org gone?

2010-06-11 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom

John Hasler wrote:

Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. writes:

In some ways D-M is the replacement for the non-us section of yore.


No it isn't.  Non-us was for crypto software that could not[1] be
distributed from within the USA to people outside the USA without an
export license.  Such software could be distributed freely within the
USA and also imported into the USA.  This was a unique situation, quite
different from the usual one of some software being undistributable
within a country.  Debian-multimedia is primarily for patent encumbered
stuff where the patents are believed to be actively enforced.

There has been talk from time to time of a non-* network of repositories
as the USA is far from the only country where distribution of some Free
Software is restricted due to legal considerations.


[1]There is considerable doubt about the legality of these regulations,
at least with respect to source code (but they're gone so it's moot).


Good explanation John, thanks.

Hugo


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Re: debian-multimedia.org gone?

2010-06-11 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom

Lisi wrote:

On Thursday 10 June 2010 19:22:47 Jimmy Johnson wrote:

Gerard Robin wrote:

The drive has crashed. Christian Marillat is being restored ...

see here:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user-french/2010/06/msg00105.html

Translated:

  Hello,

Le disque a crashé. The drive has crashed. Christian Marillat est en
train de restaurer ... Christian Marillat is being restored ...


No - Christian Marillat is not being restored (Christian Marillat est en 
train d'être restauré), he is doing the restoring.




Darn ;-) I for a moment thought that I might be restored too...


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Re: debian-multimedia.org gone?

2010-06-11 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom

Ron Johnson wrote:

On 06/10/2010 04:38 PM, Tyler MacDonald wrote:

Lisilisi.re...@gmail.com  wrote:

Le disque a crashé. The drive has crashed. Christian Marillat est en
train de restaurer ... Christian Marillat is being restored ...
No - Christian Marillat is not being restored (Christian Marillat 
est en

train d'être restauré), he is doing the restoring.


   Somebody should restore Christian with a nice cold beer after all this
work! :-)



Beer?  I don't think that's allowed in France.



But warm beer, yes.


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Re: debian-multimedia.org gone?

2010-06-10 Thread Brad Rogers
On Wed, 09 Jun 2010 23:21:57 +0200
Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de wrote:

Hello Sven,

 Nonsense.

Okay, I got it wrong, but why be so aggressive about it?

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Re: debian-multimedia.org gone?

2010-06-10 Thread Brad Rogers
On Wed, 09 Jun 2010 23:12:51 +0200
Ingo Kasten ingo.kas...@nwn.de wrote:

Hello Ingo,

 As far as I see only the packages.gz files are missing in the 
 repository,e.g.  
 http://debian-multimedia.org/dists/sid/main/binary-i386/packages.gz

Currently, there seems to be only directories, no files at all.

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Re: debian-multimedia.org gone?

2010-06-10 Thread Gerard Robin

The drive has crashed. Christian Marillat is being restored ...

see here:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user-french/2010/06/msg00105.html

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Re: debian-multimedia.org gone?

2010-06-10 Thread Jimmy Johnson

Gerard Robin wrote:

The drive has crashed. Christian Marillat is being restored ...

see here:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user-french/2010/06/msg00105.html



Translated:

 Hello,

Le disque a crashé. The drive has crashed. Christian Marillat est en 
train de restaurer ... Christian Marillat is being restored ...


A+ A +

Gaëtan Gaetan

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Re: debian-multimedia.org gone?

2010-06-10 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2010-06-10 18:11 +0200, Gerard Robin wrote:

 The drive has crashed. Christian Marillat is being restored ...

Hopefully there is a good backup of him!

Sven,
 who always enjoys automatic translations.


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Re: debian-multimedia.org gone?

2010-06-10 Thread Alexander Batischev
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 08:48:16PM +0200, Sven Joachim wrote:
 On 2010-06-10 18:11 +0200, Gerard Robin wrote:
 
  The drive has crashed. Christian Marillat is being restored ...
 
 Hopefully there is a good backup of him!

Just as Linus Torvalds said - Only wimps use tape backup: real men just upload
their important stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it. d-m had
(and still have) a lot of mirrors all over the world, so it's not the problem
to bring all the stuff back.

Actually, debian-multimedia.org is *already* back and working just normally.
Hooray!

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Re: debian-multimedia.org gone?

2010-06-10 Thread Tyler MacDonald
Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote:
  Le disque a crashé. The drive has crashed. Christian Marillat est en
  train de restaurer ... Christian Marillat is being restored ...
 No - Christian Marillat is not being restored (Christian Marillat est en 
 train d'être restauré), he is doing the restoring.

  Somebody should restore Christian with a nice cold beer after all this
work! :-)

 - Tyler


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Re: debian-multimedia.org gone?

2010-06-10 Thread Lisi
On Thursday 10 June 2010 19:22:47 Jimmy Johnson wrote:
 Gerard Robin wrote:
  The drive has crashed. Christian Marillat is being restored ...
 
  see here:
  http://lists.debian.org/debian-user-french/2010/06/msg00105.html

 Translated:

   Hello,

 Le disque a crashé. The drive has crashed. Christian Marillat est en
 train de restaurer ... Christian Marillat is being restored ...

No - Christian Marillat is not being restored (Christian Marillat est en 
train d'être restauré), he is doing the restoring.

Lisi


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Re: debian-multimedia.org gone?

2010-06-10 Thread Jimmy Johnson

Lisi wrote:

On Thursday 10 June 2010 19:22:47 Jimmy Johnson wrote:

Gerard Robin wrote:

The drive has crashed. Christian Marillat is being restored ...

see here:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user-french/2010/06/msg00105.html

Translated:

  Hello,

Le disque a crashé. The drive has crashed. Christian Marillat est en
train de restaurer ... Christian Marillat is being restored ...


No - Christian Marillat is not being restored (Christian Marillat est en 
train d'être restauré), he is doing the restoring.


Lisi



I still understand the message, you're just being picky. :-P
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Re: debian-multimedia.org gone?

2010-06-10 Thread Ron Johnson

On 06/10/2010 04:38 PM, Tyler MacDonald wrote:

Lisilisi.re...@gmail.com  wrote:

Le disque a crashé. The drive has crashed. Christian Marillat est en
train de restaurer ... Christian Marillat is being restored ...

No - Christian Marillat is not being restored (Christian Marillat est en
train d'être restauré), he is doing the restoring.


   Somebody should restore Christian with a nice cold beer after all this
work! :-)



Beer?  I don't think that's allowed in France.

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debian-multimedia.org gone?

2010-06-09 Thread Johannes Rohr

Dear all, 

does anyone know, what has happened to debian-multimedia.org? The web
page is gone and the repository is empty. Has Christian Marillat given
up?

Thanks

Johannes


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Re: debian-multimedia.org gone?

2010-06-09 Thread Brad Rogers
On Wed, 09 Jun 2010 21:33:02 +0200
Johannes Rohr jor...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello Johannes,

 does anyone know, what has happened to debian-multimedia.org? The web
 page is gone and the repository is empty. Has Christian Marillat given
 up?

It was there yesterday.  In fact, it must have been there earlier today
as an upgrade didn't complain about D-M being unavailable.

Suspect a temporary error.  Somewhere

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Re: debian-multimedia.org gone?

2010-06-09 Thread Jordan Metzmeier
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On 06/09/2010 04:10 PM, Brad Rogers wrote:
 On Wed, 09 Jun 2010 21:33:02 +0200
 Johannes Rohr jor...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello Johannes,
 
 does anyone know, what has happened to debian-multimedia.org? The web
 page is gone and the repository is empty. Has Christian Marillat given
 up?
 
 It was there yesterday.  In fact, it must have been there earlier today
 as an upgrade didn't complain about D-M being unavailable.
 
 Suspect a temporary error.  Somewhere
 

Hopefully the temporary error was not caused by something like find .
- -type f -delete as it appears...
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Re: debian-multimedia.org gone?

2010-06-09 Thread Brad Rogers
On Wed, 09 Jun 2010 21:33:02 +0200
Johannes Rohr jor...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello Johannes,

 does anyone know, what has happened to debian-multimedia.org? The web

Just been along to see if it's there now.  Currently, a directory
listing is all I get with timestamps dated today.

Looks as though something fatal happened and the site is being rebuilt.

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Re: debian-multimedia.org gone?

2010-06-09 Thread Brad Rogers
On Wed, 09 Jun 2010 16:12:33 -0400
Jordan Metzmeier titan8...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello Jordan,

 Hopefully the temporary error was not caused by something like find .
 - -type f -delete as it appears...

Given what I've just seen there, that's a possibility.   :-)

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Re: debian-multimedia.org gone?

2010-06-09 Thread Tyler MacDonald
Brad Rogers b...@fineby.me.uk wrote:
 Hello Jordan,
 
  Hopefully the temporary error was not caused by something like find .
  - -type f -delete as it appears...
 
 Given what I've just seen there, that's a possibility.   :-)

  When I was trying to upgrade my MythTV boxes earlier today, I was getting
a connection refused, for over half an hour...  so the server was up,
apache was down...

- Tyler


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Re: debian-multimedia.org gone?

2010-06-09 Thread Jordan Metzmeier
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If someone needs a work-around, a friend on IRC found that this German
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Re: debian-multimedia.org gone?

2010-06-09 Thread Arthur Machlas
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Jordan Metzmeier titan8...@gmail.com wrote:
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 If someone needs a work-around, a friend on IRC found that this German
 mirror is still up: http://debian-multimedia.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/


It's always struck me as a bit crazy that such an integral part of the
debian experience is provided by a one (or two?) ma(e)n (or woma(e)n)
crew. I'm talking to you w32codecs and libdvdcss. Yeah.. you know what
you did (do).


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Re: debian-multimedia.org gone?

2010-06-09 Thread Brad Rogers
On Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:31:51 -0500
Arthur Machlas arthur.mach...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello Arthur,

 It's always struck me as a bit crazy that such an integral part of the
 debian experience is provided by a one (or two?) ma(e)n (or woma(e)n)

None of the packages at D-M can be included in the regular Debian repos
because of licensing issues that aren't compatible with the Debian
DFSG.  You probably already knew that, though.

Any way, although Christian is the prime mover, there are others
involved.  Without them, there'd be fewer mirror sites, I'm sure.

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Re: debian-multimedia.org gone?

2010-06-09 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2010-06-09 23:00 +0200, Brad Rogers wrote:

 None of the packages at D-M can be included in the regular Debian repos
 because of licensing issues that aren't compatible with the Debian
 DFSG.

Nonsense.  The packages at debian-multimedia are patent-encumbered or
otherwise legally problematic in many countries, and _that_ is the
reason why Debian does not (and cannot) distribute them.  These legal
problems are orthogonal to the DFSG.

Sven


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Re: debian-multimedia.org gone?

2010-06-09 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Wednesday 09 June 2010 16:21:57 Sven Joachim wrote:
 On 2010-06-09 23:00 +0200, Brad Rogers wrote:
  None of the packages at D-M can be included in the regular Debian repos
  because of licensing issues that aren't compatible with the Debian
  DFSG.
 
 Nonsense.  The packages at debian-multimedia are patent-encumbered or
 otherwise legally problematic in many countries, and _that_ is the
 reason why Debian does not (and cannot) distribute them.  These legal
 problems are orthogonal to the DFSG.

In fact, D-M recently moved some packages to a non-free section because they 
did not comply with the DFSG, in particular because they were lacking source 
code.  libdvdcss has is Free Software, but Debian still chooses not to risk 
the separate legal issues that might arise from distributing it.

In some ways D-M is the replacement for the non-us section of yore.
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Re: debian-multimedia.org gone?

2010-06-09 Thread Ingo Kasten

Johannes Rohr schrieb:
Dear all, 


does anyone know, what has happened to debian-multimedia.org? The web
page is gone and the repository is empty. Has Christian Marillat given
up?

Thanks

Johannes


As far as I see only the packages.gz files are missing in the 
repository,e.g.  
http://debian-multimedia.org/dists/sid/main/binary-i386/packages.gz


Ingo


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Re: debian-multimedia.org gone?

2010-06-09 Thread John Hasler
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. writes:
 In some ways D-M is the replacement for the non-us section of yore.

No it isn't.  Non-us was for crypto software that could not[1] be
distributed from within the USA to people outside the USA without an
export license.  Such software could be distributed freely within the
USA and also imported into the USA.  This was a unique situation, quite
different from the usual one of some software being undistributable
within a country.  Debian-multimedia is primarily for patent encumbered
stuff where the patents are believed to be actively enforced.

There has been talk from time to time of a non-* network of repositories
as the USA is far from the only country where distribution of some Free
Software is restricted due to legal considerations.


[1]There is considerable doubt about the legality of these regulations,
at least with respect to source code (but they're gone so it's moot).
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