Re: debian-user and mutt...
Am 2006-02-23 15:29:19, schrieb Rob Sims: > In mutt: 'L' (I just tried it on my sid box) Not if "Reply-To:" ist set to the Sender. > > Note: I have setup my "mutt" to ignore the "Reply-To:" Header. > > How can a user get a personal response if you ignore his request for > responses to go to a different address than the one used to send from? > Ignoring the Reply-to: header is as bad as a mailing list munging it. You need to set set ignore_list_reply_to=yes and then only THEN "L" is working IF the Sender sets "Reply-To:" but "r" continue to works by default to the "Sender". Greetings Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/3/8845235667100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian-user and mutt...
Rob Sims wrote:
On Wed, Feb 22, 2006 at 02:04:24AM +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote:
Am 2006-02-09 15:27:22, schrieb Digby Tarvin:
Oh no! The "header munging" Thread From Hell Which Will Not Die
has resurrected.
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On Wed, Feb 22, 2006 at 02:04:24AM +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote: > Am 2006-02-09 15:27:22, schrieb Digby Tarvin: > > There is nothing incorrect in my headers as far as I know, but I do > > use a 'Reply-to:' to make sure that mail goes to my mailbox rather > > than just back to wherever I happened to originate a message from... This is an example of what Reply-to is actually for. It is not munging when done by the original poster. Everything should work as expected; from mutt, 'r' should go to the original poster (as specified by the Reply-to: header) and 'L' still goes to the list. > Do not do this!!! > How can someone reply to the list if you are munging the Headers? In mutt: 'L' (I just tried it on my sid box) > Note: I have setup my "mutt" to ignore the "Reply-To:" Header. How can a user get a personal response if you ignore his request for responses to go to a different address than the one used to send from? Ignoring the Reply-to: header is as bad as a mailing list munging it. -- Rob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: debian-user and mutt...
Am 2006-02-09 17:01:35, schrieb Digby Tarvin: > Hi - thanks for the link. > > A quick survey and it does indeed seem that 'Reply-To munging' is > what is used on nearly all of the other lists I am subscribed to. I do not know, on which lists you are, but I am on: +---[ '/home/michelle.konzack/.mutt/mailinglists' ]---+ | | | subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | subscribe courier-users@lists.sourceforge.net | | subscribe debian-68k@lists.debian.org | | subscribe debian-alpha@lists.debian.org | | subscribe debian-amd64@lists.debian.org | | subscribe debian-announce@lists.debian.org | | subscribe debian-boot@lists.debian.org | | subscribe debian-cd@lists.debian.org| | subscribe debian-changes@lists.debian.org | | subscribe debian-commercial@lists.debian.org| | subscribe debian-consultants@lists.debian.org | | subscribe debian-curiosa@lists.debian.org | | subscribe debian-desktop@lists.debian.org | | subscribe debian-devel-announce@lists.debian.org| | subscribe debian-devel-changes@lists.debian.org | | subscribe debian-devel@lists.debian.org | | subscribe debian-doc@lists.debian.org | | subscribe debian-edu@lists.debian.org | | subscribe debian-embedded@lists.debian.org | | subscribe debian-events-eu@lists.debian.org | | subscribe debian-firewall@lists.debian.org | | subscribe debian-handheld@lists.debian.org | | subscribe debian-hppa@lists.debian.org | | subscribe debian-i18n@lists.debian.org | | subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | subscribe debian-isp@lists.debian.org | | subscribe debian-jobs@lists.debian.org | | subscribe debian-jr@lists.debian.org| | subscribe debian-kernel@lists.debian.org| | subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | subscribe debian-l10n-english@lists.debian.org | | subscribe debian-l10n-french@lists.debian.org | | subscribe debian-l10n-german@lists.debian.org | | subscribe debian-l10n-turkish@lists.debian.org | | subscribe debian-laptop@lists.debian.org| | subscribe debian-legal@lists.debian.org | | subscribe debian-mentors@lists.debian.org | | subscribe debian-mips@lists.debian.org | | subscribe debian-mirrors@lists.debian.org | | subscribe debian-multimedia@lists.debian.org| | subscribe debian-newmaint@lists.debian.org | | subscribe debian-news-french@lists.debian.org | | subscribe debian-news-german@lists.debian.org | | subscribe debian-news@lists.debian.org | | subscribe debian-nonprofit@lists.debian.org | | subscribe debian-openoffice@lists.debian.org| | subscribe debian-policy@lists.debian.org| | subscribe debian-powerpc@lists.debian.org | | subscribe debian-project@lists.debian.org | | subscribe debian-qa@lists.debian.org| | subscribe debian-release@lists.debian.org | | subscribe debian-science@lists.debian.org | | subscribe debian-security-announce@lists.debian.org | | subscribe debian-security@lists.debian.org | | subscribe debian-ssh@lists.debian.org | | subscribe debian-testing@lists.debian.org | | subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | subscribe debian-user-french@lists.debian.org | | subscribe debian-user-german@lists.debian.org | | subscribe debian-user-turkish@lists.debian.org | | subscribe debian-user@lists.debian.org | | subscribe debian-vote@lists.debian.org | | subscribe debian-win32@lists.debian.org | | subscribe debian-wnpp@lists.debian.org | | subscribe debian-women@lists.debian.org | | subscribe debian-www@lists.debian.org | | subscribe debian-x@lists.debian.org | | subscribe developer@arabeyes.org| | subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | subscribe doc@arabeyes.org | | subscribe exim-users@exim.org | | subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | subscribe fvwm@fvwm.org | | subscribe general@arabeyes.org | | subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | subscribe lartc@mailman.ds9a.nl
Re: debian-user and mutt...
Am 2006-02-09 19:02:34, schrieb Digby Tarvin: > My remaining grip is that the 'subscribe' command also causes the > identification of the originator of the message to be replaced by > the list name in the display: >1183 L Feb 09 To debian-user@ ( 46) debian-user and mutt... >1184 r L Feb 09 To debian-user@ ( 38) Re: debian-user and mutt... Never seen this... 187917 L - 1,8K 2006-02-10 16:42:51x x x mq>Re: debian-user kamaraju kusu 187918 sL - 1,4K 2006-02-09 12:09:25x x mq>Re: debian-user a Ken Wahl 187919 N L N 2,2K 2006-02-09 19:02:34x x mq> Digby Tarvin 187920 NsL N 1,7K 2006-02-09 14:38:18x x mq>Ken Wahl 187921 N L N 2,3K 2006-02-09 20:09:33x x mq>Re[solved]: Digby Tarvin Greetings Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/3/8845235667100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian-user and mutt...
Am 2006-02-09 18:50:15, schrieb Andrei Popescu: > That explains it. On a mailing list like this one, the Reply-To is > normally used if you happen to post from a different address then > the one subscribed (or you are not subscribed at all) and you want > a CC to that address. BTW setting a Reply-To on other mailing list > is useless as they are rewriting it. It's all explained very well > in the link from cga Ehm, -- I was thinking, "Follow-Up-To:" header is for this issue. (never used it) > Regards > Andrei Greetings Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/3/8845235667100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian-user and mutt...
Am 2006-02-09 15:27:22, schrieb Digby Tarvin: > Hi > It seems you are right, in as much as there is an L command that appears > to be intended to deal with lists, but on your message it just gives me > > No mailing lists found! Put: subscribe debian-user@lists.debian.org in your "muttrc". > There is nothing incorrect in my headers as far as I know, but I do > use a 'Reply-to:' to make sure that mail goes to my mailbox rather > than just back to wherever I happened to originate a message from... Do not do this!!! How can someone reply to the list if you are munging the Headers? Note: I have setup my "mutt" to ignore the "Reply-To:" Header. > Perhaps that causes your MUA to behave differently for some reason? > > Regards, > DigbyT Greetings Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/3/8845235667100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian-user and mutt...
Am 2006-02-09 12:37:31, schrieb Digby Tarvin: > On Thu, Feb 09, 2006 at 01:11:29AM -0200, Eduardo wrote: > > Please do not CC me! Get a proper mailer instead: www.mutt.org > > Ok, since someone has brought this up > > Why is it that on the other lists I subscribe to a 'reply' to > a posting by default goes to the list, but on this list it > goes only to the original poster, and a 'replay-all' goes to > the list with CC to the poster, which is presumably what > the signature abore refers to... Hit r to reply to Poster L to reply to the list g put the poster into To: and the list into Cc: while replying > I am using mutt - a bit over two years old (1.4.1i - I'm not > reading my mail on the Debian machine) but it has done what I > need up until now... Mutt support the "Reply-To-List" featurew since years... > Is there a tricky way to do this, or is this something an upgrade > to a newer mutt would supply.? No, but setup yout "muttrc" correctly with subscribe debian-user@lists.debian.org subscribe debian-security-announce@lists.debian.org subscribe debian-edu@lists.debian.org ... and now you can use "L" to reply to the list > Regards, > DigbyT Greetings Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/3/8845235667100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian-user and mutt...
Andrei Popescu wrote: On Thu, 9 Feb 2006 15:27:22 + Digby Tarvin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Thanks for your message.. On Thu, Feb 09, 2006 at 03:25:44PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: Why is it that on the other lists I subscribe to a 'reply' to a posting by default goes to the list, but on this list it goes only to the original poster, and a 'replay-all' goes to the list with CC to the poster, which is presumably what the signature abore refers to... This has been discussed, I think once per month (at least) :) It has to do with Reply-To munging and is a BIG flame-bait on this list. So please don't start Looks like I didn't wait long enough then - I've only been subscribed since Jan 25th.. Is there a list FAQ I should have consulted - I didn't find one on http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ That is usually the best way to avoid having the same questions asked over and over.. Kamaraju Kusumanchi (Raju) (I hope I didn't misspell his name) was putting together something like this. You can search for his posts. The thread was embedded in another thread about newbies ... a long thread. Andrei, You spelled it correctly :-) The correct link is http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/kk288/du-guidelines.html It is still under preparation. Any comments, feedback on that are welcome. Unfortunately, your question (reply to munging) is the one that has not been completed. But it is in my todo list. As soon as I get some free time, I will be writing it up. thanks raju -- Kamaraju S Kusumanchi http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/kk288/ http://malayamaarutham.blogspot.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[solved]: debian-user and mutt...
Thanks Ken,
Looks like another neat feature I hadn't stumbled across before..
I also found (by trial and error - havn't found it stated in the
docs yet) that by using 'lists' instead of 'subscribe' I can
get the L command to work without changing the listing format,
which is what I initially wanted..
My mutt seems to accept either version of the commands you
suggested, which for the 'lists' version gives me:
1156 s 02/09 [ 0] Ken Wahl(1.7K) Re: debian-user and mutt...
and for 'subscrube' gives:
1156 sL 02/09 [ 0] Ken Wahl(1.7K) Re: debian-user and mutt...
The latter seems to do everything I want...
So the bottom line seems to be that the Debian way of organizing
a list is superior, so long as you have a suitable MUA and are
sufficiently familiar with its features - or know someone else
who is ;)..
Regards,
DigbyT
On Thu, Feb 09, 2006 at 02:38:18PM -0500, Ken Wahl wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 09, 2006 at 07:02:34PM +, Digby Tarvin wrote:
> > My remaining grip is that the 'subscribe' command also causes the
> > identification of the originator of the message to be replaced by
> > the list name in the display:
> >1183 L Feb 09 To debian-user@ ( 46) debian-user and mutt...
> >1184 r L Feb 09 To debian-user@ ( 38) Re: debian-user and mutt...
> >1188 sL Feb 09 To debian-user@ ( 67) Re: debian-user and mutt...
> >1190 sL Feb 09 To debian-user@ ( 47) Re: debian-user and mutt...
> >1193 O L Feb 09 To debian-user@ ( 70) Re: debian-user and mutt...
>
>
> Try adding this to your muttrc:
> set hdr_format="%4C %Z %{%m/%d} [%2N] %-15.15F (%4c) %s"
>
> If that is rejected then use:
> set index_format="%4C %Z %{%m/%d} [%2N] %-15.15F (%4c) %s"
>
> I actually think your version uses index_format but I have hdr_format in
> my muttrc.
>
> This is configurable and you can see how to customize it at:
> http://www.mutt.org/doc/manual/manual-6.html#ss6.3
> (scroll down to index format)
>
> You can also use folder-hooks to make it different depending on what folder
> you are browsing. One of the many beauties of mutt.
> --
> Ken Wahl
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On Thu, Feb 09, 2006 at 07:02:34PM +, Digby Tarvin wrote:
> My remaining grip is that the 'subscribe' command also causes the
> identification of the originator of the message to be replaced by
> the list name in the display:
>1183 L Feb 09 To debian-user@ ( 46) debian-user and mutt...
>1184 r L Feb 09 To debian-user@ ( 38) Re: debian-user and mutt...
>1188 sL Feb 09 To debian-user@ ( 67) Re: debian-user and mutt...
>1190 sL Feb 09 To debian-user@ ( 47) Re: debian-user and mutt...
>1193 O L Feb 09 To debian-user@ ( 70) Re: debian-user and mutt...
Try adding this to your muttrc:
set hdr_format="%4C %Z %{%m/%d} [%2N] %-15.15F (%4c) %s"
If that is rejected then use:
set index_format="%4C %Z %{%m/%d} [%2N] %-15.15F (%4c) %s"
I actually think your version uses index_format but I have hdr_format in
my muttrc.
This is configurable and you can see how to customize it at:
http://www.mutt.org/doc/manual/manual-6.html#ss6.3
(scroll down to index format)
You can also use folder-hooks to make it different depending on what folder
you are browsing. One of the many beauties of mutt.
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Re: debian-user and mutt...
On Thu, Feb 09, 2006 at 01:07:54PM -0500, Erik Karlin wrote: > To sort of interrupt this thread as it seems to be somewhat resolved, > does anyone know why DU is the only mailing list that mutt can correctly > identify signed messages? How and where is that configured, and how can > I check/debug that one. In my .muttrc, I have the following and it works for every mailing list: set pgp_decode_command="gpg %?p?--passphrase-fd 0? --no-verbose \ --batch --output - %f" set pgp_verify_command="gpg --no-verbose --batch --output - \ --verify %s %f" set pgp_decrypt_command="gpg --passphrase-fd 0 --no-verbose \ --batch --output - %f" set pgp_sign_command="gpg --no-verbose --batch --output - \ --passphrase-fd 0 --armor --detach-sign \ --textmode %?a?-u %a? %f" set pgp_clearsign_command="gpg --no-verbose --batch --output - \ --passphrase-fd 0 --armor --textmode --clearsign %?a?-u %a? %f" set pgp_encrypt_only_command="/usr/lib/mutt/pgpewrap gpg --batch \ --quiet --no-verbose --output - --encrypt --textmode --armor \ --always-trust --encrypt-to 0x[mykeyid] -- -r %r -- %f" set pgp_encrypt_sign_command="/usr/lib/mutt/pgpewrap gpg \ --passphrase-fd 0 --batch --quiet --no-verbose --textmode \ --output - --encrypt --sign %?a?-u %a? --armor --always-trust \ --encrypt-to 0x[mykeyid] -- -r %r -- %f" set pgp_import_command="gpg --no-verbose --import -v %f" set pgp_export_command="gpg --no-verbose --export --armor %r" set pgp_verify_key_command="gpg --no-verbose --batch \ --fingerprint --check-sigs %r" set pgp_list_pubring_command="gpg --no-verbose --batch \ --with-colons --list-keys %r" set pgp_list_secring_command="gpg --no-verbose --batch \ --with-colons --list-secret-keys %r" set pgp_autosign=yes set pgp_sign_as=0x[mykeyid] set pgp_replyencrypt=yes set pgp_timeout=1800 set pgp_good_sign="^gpg: Good signature from" HTH signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: debian-user and mutt...
Thanks Ken, hendrik and all the others that offered suggestions. I couldn't add the 'set honor_follow_up_to=yes' because it doesn't seem to be recognised in my version of mutt, but the rest were ok. If this posting went to the right place, then it worked.. In addition to activating the 'L' command, it also seems to add an 'L' flag to the message listings, which is nice. My remaining grip is that the 'subscribe' command also causes the identification of the originator of the message to be replaced by the list name in the display: 1183 L Feb 09 To debian-user@ ( 46) debian-user and mutt... 1184 r L Feb 09 To debian-user@ ( 38) Re: debian-user and mutt... 1188 sL Feb 09 To debian-user@ ( 67) Re: debian-user and mutt... 1190 sL Feb 09 To debian-user@ ( 47) Re: debian-user and mutt... 1193 O L Feb 09 To debian-user@ ( 70) Re: debian-user and mutt... which I would rather was controlled separately because I think it was useful to be able to see the authors when deciding which messages to read... But I am still reading through your link so maybe there is a solution in there somewhere... Thanks again, DigbyT On Thu, Feb 09, 2006 at 12:09:25PM -0500, Ken Wahl wrote: > On Thu, Feb 09, 2006 at 03:27:22PM +, Digby Tarvin wrote: > > It seems you are right, in as much as there is an L command that appears > > to be intended to deal with lists, but on your message it just gives me > > > > No mailing lists found! > > > The section of the mutt manual dealing with mailing lists is here: > > http://www.mutt.org/doc/manual/manual-3.html#lists > > The relevant parts of my muttrc for dealing with mailing lists: > > set followup_to > set honor_follow_up_to=yes > set ignore_list_reply_to=no > set reply_to > set reply_regexp="^(re:[ \t]*)+" > alias debian-user Debian User List > alias debian-kde Debian KDE List > subscribe debian-user debian-kde > > The above allows me to use "L" to reply to the list. > > HTH > -- > Ken Wahl -- Digby R. S. Tarvin digbyt(at)digbyt.com http://www.digbyt.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, Feb 09, 2006 at 05:01:35PM +, Digby Tarvin wrote: > Hi - thanks for the link. > > A quick survey and it does indeed seem that 'Reply-To munging' is > what is used on nearly all of the other lists I am subscribed to. > > The arguments made against it in that link certainly make sense, > although the author's prefered solution seems to be the > 'reply to all' option which sends to the list and the originator, > and hence seems to cause so many complaints here. > > A 'reply-to-list' command does seem like a good solution, although > I don't know how universally applicable it is. > > Not all of the mailing lists seem to be adding a 'X-Mailing-List' > header into the message. Or does 'reply-to-list' use something > else? > > On the 'Libretto' list, for example, the only place in the headers > other than the munged 'Reply-To' field in which the list address appears > is in the 'To' field - so I suppose it would have to be using that > field??? > > Regards, > DigbyT > > On Thu, Feb 09, 2006 at 10:56:37AM -0500, cga wrote: > > Just subscribed and may have missed some messages.. so I hope this is > > not redundant. > > > > Check this out for an argumentation against: > > > > http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html To sort of interrupt this thread as it seems to be somewhat resolved, does anyone know why DU is the only mailing list that mutt can correctly identify signed messages? How and where is that configured, and how can I check/debug that one. Thanks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi - thanks for the link. A quick survey and it does indeed seem that 'Reply-To munging' is what is used on nearly all of the other lists I am subscribed to. The arguments made against it in that link certainly make sense, although the author's prefered solution seems to be the 'reply to all' option which sends to the list and the originator, and hence seems to cause so many complaints here. A 'reply-to-list' command does seem like a good solution, although I don't know how universally applicable it is. Not all of the mailing lists seem to be adding a 'X-Mailing-List' header into the message. Or does 'reply-to-list' use something else? On the 'Libretto' list, for example, the only place in the headers other than the munged 'Reply-To' field in which the list address appears is in the 'To' field - so I suppose it would have to be using that field??? Regards, DigbyT On Thu, Feb 09, 2006 at 10:56:37AM -0500, cga wrote: > Just subscribed and may have missed some messages.. so I hope this is > not redundant. > > Check this out for an argumentation against: > > http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html -- Digby R. S. Tarvin digbyt(at)digbyt.com http://www.digbyt.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian-user and mutt...
On Thu, Feb 09, 2006 at 03:27:22PM +, Digby Tarvin wrote: > It seems you are right, in as much as there is an L command that appears > to be intended to deal with lists, but on your message it just gives me > > No mailing lists found! The section of the mutt manual dealing with mailing lists is here: http://www.mutt.org/doc/manual/manual-3.html#lists The relevant parts of my muttrc for dealing with mailing lists: set followup_to set honor_follow_up_to=yes set ignore_list_reply_to=no set reply_to set reply_regexp="^(re:[ \t]*)+" alias debian-user Debian User List alias debian-kde Debian KDE List subscribe debian-user debian-kde The above allows me to use "L" to reply to the list. HTH -- Ken Wahl signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: debian-user and mutt...
On Thu, Feb 09, 2006 at 11:22:50AM -0500, Edward Shornock wrote: > > Is there a list FAQ I should have consulted - I didn't find one on > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ > > > > That is usually the best way to avoid having the same questions > > asked over and over.. > > > > Alternatively, is there a searcheable archive? > > Ironically, it's linked on that URL you pasted. You can search the > archives at http://lists.debian.org/search.html and/or > http://lists.debian.org/google.html Curses - how did I miss that :-o Thanks for pointing that out.. Regards, DigbyT -- Digby R. S. Tarvin digbyt(at)digbyt.com http://www.digbyt.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian-user and mutt...
On Thu, 9 Feb 2006 15:27:22 + Digby Tarvin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi > > Thanks for your message.. > > On Thu, Feb 09, 2006 at 03:25:44PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > > > > > Why is it that on the other lists I subscribe to a 'reply' to > > > a posting by default goes to the list, but on this list it > > > goes only to the original poster, and a 'replay-all' goes to > > > the list with CC to the poster, which is presumably what > > > the signature abore refers to... > > > > This has been discussed, I think once per month (at least) :) > > It has to do with Reply-To munging and is a BIG flame-bait on > > this list. So please don't start > > Looks like I didn't wait long enough then - I've only been > subscribed since Jan 25th.. > > Is there a list FAQ I should have consulted - I didn't find one on > http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ > > That is usually the best way to avoid having the same questions > asked over and over.. Kamaraju Kusumanchi (Raju) (I hope I didn't misspell his name) was putting together something like this. You can search for his posts. The thread was embedded in another thread about newbies ... a long thread. > Alternatively, is there a searcheable archive? This is the official search page: http://lists.debian.org/search.html Optionally the archive is hosted at gmane and google groops and I think a few other places. You can search, browse, post through their interfaces [snip] > > P.S. Reply-ing to your mail (in Sylpheed) put your address in CC. > > It usually does not ... > > There is nothing incorrect in my headers as far as I know, but I do > use a 'Reply-to:' to make sure that mail goes to my mailbox rather > than just back to wherever I happened to originate a message from... > > Perhaps that causes your MUA to behave differently for some reason? > > Regards, > DigbyT > -- > Digby R. S. Tarvin > digbyt(at)digbyt.com > http://www.digbyt.com That explains it. On a mailing list like this one, the Reply-To is normally used if you happen to post from a different address then the one subscribed (or you are not subscribed at all) and you want a CC to that address. BTW setting a Reply-To on other mailing list is useless as they are rewriting it. It's all explained very well in the link from cga Regards Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian-user and mutt...
On Thu, Feb 09, 2006 at 03:27:22PM +, Digby Tarvin wrote: > Hi > > Thanks for your message.. > > On Thu, Feb 09, 2006 at 03:25:44PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > > > > > Why is it that on the other lists I subscribe to a 'reply' to > > > a posting by default goes to the list, but on this list it > > > goes only to the original poster, and a 'replay-all' goes to > > > the list with CC to the poster, which is presumably what > > > the signature abore refers to... > > > > This has been discussed, I think once per month (at least) :) > > It has to do with Reply-To munging and is a BIG flame-bait on > > this list. So please don't start > > Looks like I didn't wait long enough then - I've only been > subscribed since Jan 25th.. > > Is there a list FAQ I should have consulted - I didn't find one on > http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ > > That is usually the best way to avoid having the same questions > asked over and over.. > > Alternatively, is there a searcheable archive? > > I did browse the archive, but certainly not exhaustively, and > didn't spot anything relevent. > > I also checked the welcome messgage sent after subscribing, but > didn't see any mention of FAQs or archive searches to consult > before posting.. > > > > To avoid making that mistake I have been manually editing > > > the header of each response, but that is a bit tedious, so I > > > assume there is a better way which I have just never needed > > > to find before.. > > > > > > I am using mutt - a bit over two years old (1.4.1i - I'm not > > > reading my mail on the Debian machine) but it has done what I > > > need up until now... > > > > AFAIK in mutt you have to hit L to reply-to-list (I don't use mutt) > > The rest are for mutt experts... > > It seems you are right, in as much as there is an L command that appears > to be intended to deal with lists, but on your message it just gives me > > No mailing lists found! You may need to configure the mailing lists in your .muttrc file. I used to have this done, but the mutt I have now doesn't seem to require it. Here's the entire contents of the .muttrc file I used back when I needed it. (I found it on a backup -- always keep backups) subscribe debian-user subscribe fom.cs.nyu.edu subscribe monotone-devel subscribe smarteiffel.loria.fr subscribe m3devel subscribe tunes.tunes.org subscribe plt-scheme.list.cs.brown.edu subscribe stratego.cs.uu.nl subscribe debian-testing.lists.debian.org Maybe this helps? There seems to be some way of abbreviating list names that I don't fully understand yet -- and probably never will, now that I don't seem to need it. -- hendrik > There is nothing incorrect in my headers as far as I know, but I do > use a 'Reply-to:' to make sure that mail goes to my mailbox rather > than just back to wherever I happened to originate a message from... And that's what other mailing lists fuck up -- they mung the reply-to header to point to themselves, with the result that it may no longer be possible to reply personally to the original poster. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian-user and mutt...
On Thu, Feb 09, 2006 at 03:27:22PM +, Digby Tarvin wrote: > Is there a list FAQ I should have consulted - I didn't find one on > http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ > > That is usually the best way to avoid having the same questions > asked over and over.. > > Alternatively, is there a searcheable archive? Ironically, it's linked on that URL you pasted. You can search the archives at http://lists.debian.org/search.html and/or http://lists.debian.org/google.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: debian-user and mutt...
Digby Tarvin wrote: On Thu, Feb 09, 2006 at 01:11:29AM -0200, Eduardo wrote: Please do not CC me! Get a proper mailer instead: www.mutt.org Ok, since someone has brought this up Why is it that on the other lists I subscribe to a 'reply' to a posting by default goes to the list, but on this list it goes only to the original poster, and a 'replay-all' goes to the list with CC to the poster, which is presumably what the signature abore refers to... To avoid making that mistake I have been manually editing the header of each response, but that is a bit tedious, so I assume there is a better way which I have just never needed to find before.. I am using mutt - a bit over two years old (1.4.1i - I'm not reading my mail on the Debian machine) but it has done what I need up until now... Do I need to install a newer release to interact with this list conveniently, or is there a command/configuration option I just havn't stumbled across? While on the subject, I am having a lot more trouble finding a way to identify messages from this list using mutt (so I can separate them out from the spam...) Most other lists either have something inserted in the subject line to idenify the origin, or they appear to come from the least such that selecting messages from 'debian-user@lists.debian.org' would suffice... Is there a tricky way to do this, or is this something an upgrade to a newer mutt would supply.? Regards, DigbyT Just subscribed and may have missed some messages.. so I hope this is not redundant. Check this out for an argumentation against: http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian-user and mutt...
Hi Thanks for your message.. On Thu, Feb 09, 2006 at 03:25:44PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > > > Why is it that on the other lists I subscribe to a 'reply' to > > a posting by default goes to the list, but on this list it > > goes only to the original poster, and a 'replay-all' goes to > > the list with CC to the poster, which is presumably what > > the signature abore refers to... > > This has been discussed, I think once per month (at least) :) > It has to do with Reply-To munging and is a BIG flame-bait on > this list. So please don't start Looks like I didn't wait long enough then - I've only been subscribed since Jan 25th.. Is there a list FAQ I should have consulted - I didn't find one on http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ That is usually the best way to avoid having the same questions asked over and over.. Alternatively, is there a searcheable archive? I did browse the archive, but certainly not exhaustively, and didn't spot anything relevent. I also checked the welcome messgage sent after subscribing, but didn't see any mention of FAQs or archive searches to consult before posting.. > > To avoid making that mistake I have been manually editing > > the header of each response, but that is a bit tedious, so I > > assume there is a better way which I have just never needed > > to find before.. > > > > I am using mutt - a bit over two years old (1.4.1i - I'm not > > reading my mail on the Debian machine) but it has done what I > > need up until now... > > AFAIK in mutt you have to hit L to reply-to-list (I don't use mutt) > The rest are for mutt experts... It seems you are right, in as much as there is an L command that appears to be intended to deal with lists, but on your message it just gives me No mailing lists found! > P.S. Reply-ing to your mail (in Sylpheed) put your address in CC. > It usually does not ... There is nothing incorrect in my headers as far as I know, but I do use a 'Reply-to:' to make sure that mail goes to my mailbox rather than just back to wherever I happened to originate a message from... Perhaps that causes your MUA to behave differently for some reason? Regards, DigbyT -- Digby R. S. Tarvin digbyt(at)digbyt.com http://www.digbyt.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian-user and mutt...
On Thu, Feb 09, 2006 at 12:37:31PM +, Digby Tarvin wrote: > > Most other lists either have something inserted in the subject line > to idenify the origin, or they appear to come from the least such > that selecting messages from 'debian-user@lists.debian.org' would > suffice... Hi Digby, in your muttrc use 'subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED]' and reply to messages by using 'L' for list reply for mail sorting check for the 'List-Id' mail header and match it for '' This could be done with various mail tools like procmail. Cheers, Kev -- | .''`. == Debian GNU/Linux == | my web site: | | : :' : The Universal | debian.home.pipeline.com | | `. `' Operating System| go to counter.li.org and | | `-http://www.debian.org/ |be counted! #238656 | | my keysever: pgp.mit.edu | my NPO: cfsg.org | signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: debian-user and mutt...
On Thu, Feb 09, 2006 at 03:25:44PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
>On Thu, 9 Feb 2006 12:37:31 +
>Digby Tarvin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[..]
>> To avoid making that mistake I have been manually editing
>> the header of each response, but that is a bit tedious, so I
>> assume there is a better way which I have just never needed
>> to find before..
>>
>> I am using mutt - a bit over two years old (1.4.1i - I'm not
>> reading my mail on the Debian machine) but it has done what I
>> need up until now...
>
>AFAIK in mutt you have to hit L to reply-to-list (I don't use mutt) The
>rest are for mutt experts...
Yes, 'L' is the default key bound to reply-to-list. You may need to
modify the variable 'lists' as well. It's all well documented in the
muttrc manpage.
Mutt-ng (and possibly newer versions of mutt) can often work out if a
mail is from a list or not (using the mail headers I guess). Then you
don't need to worry about setting 'lists' except if you are on lists
that don't use appropriate headers. (Mutt-ng is available from Debian's
experimental repo.)
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Re: debian-user and mutt...
On Thu, 9 Feb 2006 12:37:31 + Digby Tarvin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Feb 09, 2006 at 01:11:29AM -0200, Eduardo wrote: > > Please do not CC me! Get a proper mailer instead: www.mutt.org > > Ok, since someone has brought this up > > Why is it that on the other lists I subscribe to a 'reply' to > a posting by default goes to the list, but on this list it > goes only to the original poster, and a 'replay-all' goes to > the list with CC to the poster, which is presumably what > the signature abore refers to... This has been discussed, I think once per month (at least) :) It has to do with Reply-To munging and is a BIG flame-bait on this list. So please don't start > To avoid making that mistake I have been manually editing > the header of each response, but that is a bit tedious, so I > assume there is a better way which I have just never needed > to find before.. > > I am using mutt - a bit over two years old (1.4.1i - I'm not > reading my mail on the Debian machine) but it has done what I > need up until now... AFAIK in mutt you have to hit L to reply-to-list (I don't use mutt) The rest are for mutt experts... Andrei P.S. Reply-ing to your mail (in Sylpheed) put your address in CC. It usually does not ... -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
debian-user and mutt...
On Thu, Feb 09, 2006 at 01:11:29AM -0200, Eduardo wrote: > Please do not CC me! Get a proper mailer instead: www.mutt.org Ok, since someone has brought this up Why is it that on the other lists I subscribe to a 'reply' to a posting by default goes to the list, but on this list it goes only to the original poster, and a 'replay-all' goes to the list with CC to the poster, which is presumably what the signature abore refers to... To avoid making that mistake I have been manually editing the header of each response, but that is a bit tedious, so I assume there is a better way which I have just never needed to find before.. I am using mutt - a bit over two years old (1.4.1i - I'm not reading my mail on the Debian machine) but it has done what I need up until now... Do I need to install a newer release to interact with this list conveniently, or is there a command/configuration option I just havn't stumbled across? While on the subject, I am having a lot more trouble finding a way to identify messages from this list using mutt (so I can separate them out from the spam...) Most other lists either have something inserted in the subject line to idenify the origin, or they appear to come from the least such that selecting messages from 'debian-user@lists.debian.org' would suffice... Is there a tricky way to do this, or is this something an upgrade to a newer mutt would supply.? Regards, DigbyT -- Digby R. S. Tarvin digbyt(at)digbyt.com http://www.digbyt.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
