Re: Never receive an unsubscription confirmation e-mail

[Andy Smith]

Hi,

On Fri, Jul 26, 2024 at 05:39:30PM +0200, rudu wrote:
> I wrote an e-mail to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with the
> subject "unsubscribe" and sent it, expecting to receive a confirmation
> e-mail ... which never comes ...
> I also tried https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/unsubscribe, chose
> debian-user and provided this very address I use to write here.
> A message tells me that a confirmation e-mail has been sent to me, but
> again, I see nothing coming in.

It sounds like your email provider is silently deleting the
confirmation email.

You'll probably need to contact Debian listmaster to ask for help.

https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/ListMaster

Thanks,
Andy

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Never receive an unsubscription confirmation e-mail

[rudu]

Hello,

I'm just trying to suspend my subscription to Debian-user for a few weeks.
So, I wrote an e-mail to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with the 
subject "unsubscribe" and sent it, expecting to receive a confirmation 
e-mail ... which never comes ...
I also tried https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/unsubscribe, chose 
debian-user and provided this very address I use to write here.
A message tells me that a confirmation e-mail has been sent to me, but 
again, I see nothing coming in.
And yes, I checked my spam box both in TBird and via the webmail of my 
provider.


What may I possibly do wrongly ?

Thanks
Rudu

Re: e-mail with line in body beginning with "From"

[David Wright]

Threaded to the OP, rather than a private message.

On Sun 11 Dec 2022 at 18:56:24 (-0600), Greg Marks wrote:
> Dear David,

Thanks, but please keep replies on list so others can see
solutions or join in with suggestions.

Rather than appending a piece of free-standing text to the
rest of the email, in mutt you could attach it as a file:

 At the Compose Menu where you type y to send, press a and
 then give the filename.

 Highlight the attachment in the list, and press Ctrl-E.

 Change the encoding from whatever it says, like 7-bit, to
 base64, and press Return.

It now doesn't matter what was in the free-standing test:
it will arrive intact. Even though encoded, the receiver's
mutt will typically display the text attachment straight after
the email text without needing any extra commands, but it can
also be saved like any other attachment.

I've attached a mutt documentation sample file as an example.
Its entry in mutt's Compose Menu looks like:

  A 2 sample.mailcap[text/plain, base64, us-ascii, 0.1K]

 displays after email because  I set this

Note that when sending attachments, the filename may appear
incomplete as it has to include the full path. The receiver
doesn't see the path at their end, but only the filename.

Cheers,
David.
# $Id$

text/html; netscape -remote openURL\(%s\)
image/gif; xv %s
image/jpg; xv %s
application/pgp-keys; pgp -f < %s ; copiousoutput

Re: e-mail with line in body beginning with "From"

[David Wright]

On Sat 10 Dec 2022 at 20:45:37 (-0500), pa...@quillandmouse.com wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Dec 2022 09:49:54 +1100
> David  wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, 10 Dec 2022 at 19:05,  wrote:
> > > On Fri, 9 Dec 2022 20:39:34 -0600 Greg Marks 
> > > wrote:
> 
> [snip]
>  
> > 
> > > I don't know the RFCs involved, but I'm guessing they mandate or
> > > suggest this treatment.
> > 
> > Here's a reference describing 'mbox' format, which provides
> > reference RFCs:
> >   https://manpages.debian.org/bullseye/mutt/mbox.5.en.html
> > 
> 
> Excellent reference. Just the thing.

I'm guessing it's useful when

. everyone is using systems that agree to do that type of escaping,
  so that it's safe to undo it, even to many levels,

. the messages are for humans to read, and they can judge from the
  context whether the content has become mangled at all (which is
  why I enquired of the OP whether the precise format is important
  to the recipient).

But now that there are fail-safe methods of encoding "From ", there
doesn't seem much point after two decades in treating this part of
the document as much more than historical.

As for the RFCs cited within, *822 are both concerned only with From:
headers, not what are termed From_ postmarks. And, without an
excessively careful reading of 976 (hardly justified by its 3½ decade
age), the escaping of From is only discussed in the context of
message envelopes, without any consideration of what's contained
within the message.

Note that mbox(5) says "A /variant/ of this format was documented in
RFC976" (my emphasis), and 976 starts by saying "It does not address
the format for storage of messages on one machine".

Cheers,
David.

Re: e-mail with line in body beginning with "From"

[paulf]

On Sun, 11 Dec 2022 09:49:54 +1100
David  wrote:

> On Sat, 10 Dec 2022 at 19:05,  wrote:
> > On Fri, 9 Dec 2022 20:39:34 -0600 Greg Marks 
> > wrote:

[snip]
 
> 
> > I don't know the RFCs involved, but I'm guessing they mandate or
> > suggest this treatment.
> 
> Here's a reference describing 'mbox' format, which provides
> reference RFCs:
>   https://manpages.debian.org/bullseye/mutt/mbox.5.en.html
> 

Excellent reference. Just the thing.

Paul

-- 
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Personal Blog: http://noferblatz.com
Company Site: http://quillandmouse.com
Software Projects: https://gitlab.com/paulmfoster

Re: e-mail with line in body beginning with "From"

[David]

On Sat, 10 Dec 2022 at 19:05,  wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Dec 2022 20:39:34 -0600 Greg Marks  wrote:

> > In a recent instance, the body of the e-mail contained a line
> > beginning with the word "From"; the sendmail program prefixed the
> > line with the character ">" and a space (evidently interpreting
> > "From" as a header line that needed to be quoted).  This was more
> > than just a trivial annoyance, since it rendered my digital signature
> > on the e-mail invalid.

> > Is there a way to tell the Postfix sendmail command not to alter any
> > such lines in the body of the message?  (I'm afraid I wasn't able to
> > discern an answer in the man page for sendmail or by searching the
> > postfix.org site.)

> You don't want to do this. Consider an MUA which stores your mail in
> "mbox" format-- one email right after another in one file. The
> delimiter is a line which starts at the left margin with the word
> "From". For this to work, any other line which starts with "From" must
> be "armored". And the way you do that is to precede it with "> ".

> I don't know the RFCs involved, but I'm guessing they mandate or
> suggest this treatment.

Here's a reference describing 'mbox' format, which provides
reference RFCs:
  https://manpages.debian.org/bullseye/mutt/mbox.5.en.html

Re: e-mail with line in body beginning with "From"

[David Wright]

On Sat 10 Dec 2022 at 08:24:05 (+0200), Teemu Likonen wrote:
> * 2022-12-09 20:39:34-0600, Greg Marks wrote:
> > 
> > I occasionally send e-mail from the command line via Postfix, using a
> > script containing the command
> > 
> >/usr/sbin/sendmail -oi -f  -t  < file

> > Is there a way to tell the Postfix sendmail command not to alter any
> > such lines ["From" lines] in the body of the message?

Not knowing what prompts these occasions, it difficult to advise.
If the precise format is unimportant, then passing  through
a filter to eleminate any occurrences would be one method: it
could be the first step in a script that calls whatever method
you're using to sign the email.

If format precision matters, see the next quoted paragraph.

As was pointed out, it's only "From " at the start that matters.

> Probably Mutt email client can automatically do all the encoding and
> pass the fully compliant message to sendmail. Mutt can be used in
> command line. I didn't test it because I don't have any sendmails
> installed. A lower level option for constructing valid emails is
> "mime-construct".

From this line, you should get confirmation of mutt's behaviour.
But note that you have to turn it on with
  set encode_from
in its muttrc.

> From letters are in the beginning of this line because I want to test my
> own message and email client: the file that is saved locally in my
> computer and the file which comes through the mailing list.

FWIW your client appears to encode the space,
whereas mutt encodes the F.

And mutt is cautious, as it ought to be, and encodes whether or not the
From follows a blank line.

Cheers,
David.

Re: e-mail with line in body beginning with "From"

[Miguel A. Vallejo]

I remember some e-mail programs automatically add an extra space in
front of a From in the message body if any line starts with From.
Probably Thunderbird is one of them.

to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
>
> On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 08:36:39AM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > Technically, it's the 5-character sequence "From " (including the space)
> > that matters in mbox formats.  If you begin a line with "Fromage" [...]
>
> I thusly propose to drop the '>' escaping of "From" and change every From
> at a line start to "Fromage".
>
> Hmmm. Now I'm hungry.
>
> (Thanks for the laugh :-)
>
> Cheers
> --
> t

Re: e-mail with line in body beginning with "From"

[debian-user]

> On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 02:57:42AM -0500, pa...@quillandmouse.com
> wrote:
> > You don't want to do this. Consider an MUA which stores your mail in
> > "mbox" format-- one email right after another in one file. The
> > delimiter is a line which starts at the left margin with the word
> > "From".  
> 
> Technically, it's the 5-character sequence "From " (including the
> space) that matters in mbox formats.  If you begin a line with
> "Fromage", or "From:", or even "From" followed by a tab, it won't
> need to be escaped/armored.

There also has to be a blank line before it (unless it's the first five
letters in a mailbox) so effectively it has to be the start of a
paragraph that starts with 'From'. (and then has a particular address
format after it. :)

Re: e-mail with line in body beginning with "From"

[tomas]

On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 08:36:39AM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote:

[...]

> Technically, it's the 5-character sequence "From " (including the space)
> that matters in mbox formats.  If you begin a line with "Fromage" [...]

I thusly propose to drop the '>' escaping of "From" and change every From
at a line start to "Fromage".

Hmmm. Now I'm hungry.

(Thanks for the laugh :-)

Cheers
-- 
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Re: e-mail with line in body beginning with "From"

[Greg Wooledge]

On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 02:57:42AM -0500, pa...@quillandmouse.com wrote:
> You don't want to do this. Consider an MUA which stores your mail in
> "mbox" format-- one email right after another in one file. The
> delimiter is a line which starts at the left margin with the word
> "From".

Technically, it's the 5-character sequence "From " (including the space)
that matters in mbox formats.  If you begin a line with "Fromage", or
"From:", or even "From" followed by a tab, it won't need to be
escaped/armored.

Re: e-mail with line in body beginning with "From"

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

pa...@quillandmouse.com wrote:
> [...] any other line which starts with "From" must
> be "armored". And the way you do that is to precede it with "> ".
> I don't know the RFCs involved, but I'm guessing they mandate or
> suggest this treatment.

It does not look like being fully specified by an RFC.

RFC 4155 "The application/mbox Media Type" mentions

  Many implementations are also known to escape message body lines that
  begin with the character sequence of "From "

and points to
  http://qmail.org/man/man5/mbox.html
where ">From quoting" is described in more detail.
Debian's man 5 mbox stems from package mutt and describes quoting schemes
"MBOXO", "MBOXRD", "MBOXCL".

RFC 4155 decries the situation but then says

  Also note that this specification does not prescribe any escape
  syntax for message body lines that begin with the character sequence
  of "From ".


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: e-mail with line in body beginning with "From"

[paulf]

On Fri, 9 Dec 2022 20:39:34 -0600
Greg Marks  wrote:

> I occasionally send e-mail from the command line via Postfix, using a
> script containing the command
> 
>/usr/sbin/sendmail -oi -f  -t  < file
> 
> In a recent instance, the body of the e-mail contained a line
> beginning with the word "From"; the sendmail program prefixed the
> line with the character ">" and a space (evidently interpreting
> "From" as a header line that needed to be quoted).  This was more
> than just a trivial annoyance, since it rendered my digital signature
> on the e-mail invalid.
> 
> I think I encountered a similar problem a couple decades ago using the
> "mail" command on a FreeBSD machine, but I don't remember any solution
> to the problem.
> 
> Is there a way to tell the Postfix sendmail command not to alter any
> such lines in the body of the message?  (I'm afraid I wasn't able to
> discern an answer in the man page for sendmail or by searching the
> postfix.org site.)
> 
> Best regards,
> Greg Marks

You don't want to do this. Consider an MUA which stores your mail in
"mbox" format-- one email right after another in one file. The
delimiter is a line which starts at the left margin with the word
"From". For this to work, any other line which starts with "From" must
be "armored". And the way you do that is to precede it with "> ".

I don't know the RFCs involved, but I'm guessing they mandate or
suggest this treatment.

Paul

-- 
Paul M. Foster
Personal Blog: http://noferblatz.com
Company Site: http://quillandmouse.com
Software Projects: https://gitlab.com/paulmfoster

Re: e-mail with line in body beginning with "From"

[Teemu Likonen]

* 2022-12-09 20:39:34-0600, Greg Marks wrote:

> Is there a way to tell the Postfix sendmail command not to alter any
> such lines ["From" lines] in the body of the message?

I can't answer your actual question but I think Postfix and other
"sendmails" do the right thing. In my opinion you shouldn't change them
do the wrong thing but fix the problem elsewhere.

Prepare your message in such way that it is encoded in quoted printable
or base64 so that there is no plain "From" in the beginning of any line
in the body. Letters in "From" don't need encoding in quoted printable
but email clients may still encode it because they know what sendmail
programs do.

Probably Mutt email client can automatically do all the encoding and
pass the fully compliant message to sendmail. Mutt can be used in
command line. I didn't test it because I don't have any sendmails
installed. A lower level option for constructing valid emails is
"mime-construct".

From letters are in the beginning of this line because I want to test my
own message and email client: the file that is saved locally in my
computer and the file which comes through the mailing list.

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e-mail with line in body beginning with "From"

[Greg Marks]

I occasionally send e-mail from the command line via Postfix, using a
script containing the command

   /usr/sbin/sendmail -oi -f  -t  < file

In a recent instance, the body of the e-mail contained a line beginning
with the word "From"; the sendmail program prefixed the line with the
character ">" and a space (evidently interpreting "From" as a header line
that needed to be quoted).  This was more than just a trivial annoyance,
since it rendered my digital signature on the e-mail invalid.

I think I encountered a similar problem a couple decades ago using the
"mail" command on a FreeBSD machine, but I don't remember any solution
to the problem.

Is there a way to tell the Postfix sendmail command not to alter any
such lines in the body of the message?  (I'm afraid I wasn't able to
discern an answer in the man page for sendmail or by searching the
postfix.org site.)

Best regards,
Greg Marks


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Re: is it possible to send e-mail via Yahoo's smtp servers using Thunderbird (78.13.0)?

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Vi, 10 sep 21, 20:55:43, Gary Dale wrote:
> On 2021-09-10 18:11, Alexander V. Makartsev wrote:
> > 
> > Pretty sure, it's the issue with Yahoo¹ ², nothing to do with Thunderbird.
> > Yahoo is following the same path as GMail, forcing their users to use
> > web browsers as mail clients.
> > In case of GMail you have to use same generated "app-password" for both
> > IMAP and SMTP services.
> > I guess the same principle will be for Yahoo.
> > 
> > 
> > [1]
> > https://help.yahoo.com/kb/account/temporary-access-insecure-sln27791.html
> > [2] 
> > https://help.yahoo.com/kb/account/generate-manage-third-party-passwords-sln15241.html
> > -- 
> Yes, I've tried the app passwords without success. As near as I can tell,
> they are just a randomly generated secure password that is linked to a
> particular application as well as the account.
 
On the other hand, at least in my opinion, they are preferable for 
situations where it's necessary to write the password in some 
configuration file (e.g. MTA configured to forward via smarthost, for 
interactive use it's possible to use a password manager instead).

The application password can only be used for SMTP/POP/IMAP (but not for 
logging in to the web interface) and in case you have reason to suspect 
it was compromised it can be easily revoked from the web interface.

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser


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Re: is it possible to send e-mail via Yahoo's smtp servers using Thunderbird (78.13.0)?

[Ralph Katz]

On 9/10/21 3:39 PM, Gary Dale wrote:
[snip]


Does anyone have Thunderbird and Yahoo working together?


Yes, works fine with Thunderbird windows and thunderbird 78.14.0 on 
debian linux stable.


Settings:

Account name:  y...@yahoo.com
email address:  y...@yahoo.com
IMAP server  imap.mail.yahoo.com  Port: 993
SSL/TLS
OAuth2

Yahoo! Mail
SMTP:  smtp.mail.yahoo.com  Port: 465
SSL/TLS
OAuth2

Important:  thunderbird preferences -> Privacy & Security -> Web Content
check  Accept cookies from sites
-> Exceptions-> http://yahoo.com Allow
-> https://yahoo.com  Allow
Accept third-party  Never
Keep until they expire

More help:
Thunderbird and Yahoo
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/thunderbird-and-yahoo

Good luck!

Ralph

Re: is it possible to send e-mail via Yahoo's smtp servers using Thunderbird (78.13.0)?

[Gary Dale]

On 2021-09-10 20:51, Gary Dale wrote:

On 2021-09-10 18:32, jeremy ardley wrote:


On 11/09/2021 6:26 am, Jeremy Ardley wrote:


On 11/9/21 5:39 am, Gary Dale wrote:



Does anyone have Thunderbird and Yahoo working together?




I have it running on thunderbird. Both imap and smtp use ssl/tls and 
oauth2


smtp uses port 465 while imap uses port 993

I have some memory getting oauth2 to work may have been a bit of effort.


This may be relevant. You need to remove any stored passwords after 
you apply oauth2 to an account.


https://www.supertechcrew.com/thunderbird-oauth2-gmail/

Jeremy

I've tried that already but I'll give it another go. I actually 
removed all my stored Thunderbird passwords for Yahoo before I 
recreated the account in Thunderbird.


I may have spoke too soon. Got this message "An error occurred while 
sending mail. The mail server responded:  Request failed; Mailbox 
unavailable. Please check the message and try again." when I tried to 
send an e-mail from the account. The only change I made to the settings 
was I set a reply-to...  The message went into my sent folder after I 
cleared the error (for the second time) but it isn't showing up in the 
online (yahoo.com) sent folder but an earlier test message I sent is there.


When I removed the reply-to header, the message went out without 
problems and showed up in the online sent folder as well.


It looks like at least part of my problem aws the use of a reply-to address.

>>>>>>>>>

Found it. I also needed to remove the smtp server for Yahoo. When 
Thunderbird set up the account, it simply reused the existing 
smtp.mail.yahoo.com server definition. Even when I set that up 
correctly, it wasn't working. However when I deleted it along with the 
pop account, it recreated it from scratch and now it seems to work.


I note that I now have 3 saved passwords for the account:
1) mailbox:// ... for the pop server
2) oauth:// 
3) smtp:// ...

The passwords are all the same - the very long computer generated one.

Re: is it possible to send e-mail via Yahoo's smtp servers using Thunderbird (78.13.0)?

[Gary Dale]

On 2021-09-10 20:51, Gary Dale wrote:

On 2021-09-10 18:32, jeremy ardley wrote:


On 11/09/2021 6:26 am, Jeremy Ardley wrote:


On 11/9/21 5:39 am, Gary Dale wrote:



Does anyone have Thunderbird and Yahoo working together?




I have it running on thunderbird. Both imap and smtp use ssl/tls and 
oauth2


smtp uses port 465 while imap uses port 993

I have some memory getting oauth2 to work may have been a bit of 
effort.



This may be relevant. You need to remove any stored passwords after 
you apply oauth2 to an account.


https://www.supertechcrew.com/thunderbird-oauth2-gmail/

Jeremy

I've tried that already but I'll give it another go. I actually 
removed all my stored Thunderbird passwords for Yahoo before I 
recreated the account in Thunderbird.



Found it. I also needed to remove the smtp server for Yahoo. When 
Thunderbird set up the account, it simply reused the existing 
smtp.mail.yahoo.com server definition. Even when I set that up 
correctly, it wasn't working. However when I deleted it along with the 
pop account, it recreated it from scratch and now it seems to work.


I note that I now have 3 saved passwords for the account:
1) mailbox:// ... for the pop server
2) oauth:// 
3) smtp:// ...

The passwords are all the same - the very long computer generated one.

Re: is it possible to send e-mail via Yahoo's smtp servers using Thunderbird (78.13.0)?

[Gary Dale]

On 2021-09-10 18:11, Alexander V. Makartsev wrote:

On 11.09.2021 02:39, Gary Dale wrote:
I've got a Yahoo mail account (among others) that I use for a 
particular purpose. However it's been a while since I've been able to 
send e-mail from it using Yahoo's smtp servers. Instead I've been 
sending e-mail via another smtp server so the "From" address doesn't 
match the login domain. Gmail apparently now considers that to be 
sufficient reason to bounce the e-mail so I've been trying to get 
Thunderbird to use the Yahoo server to send mail for this account.


So far I haven't been able to come up with any combination of 
settings, including removing the account and recreating it in 
Thunderbird, that allow the mail to go through.


The messages I get either complain about the password or tell me "An 
error occurred while sending mail. The mail server responded: Request 
failed; Mailbox unavailable. Please check the message and try again."


Does anyone have Thunderbird and Yahoo working together?



Pretty sure, it's the issue with Yahoo¹ ², nothing to do with Thunderbird.
Yahoo is following the same path as GMail, forcing their users to use 
web browsers as mail clients.
In case of GMail you have to use same generated "app-password" for 
both IMAP and SMTP services.

I guess the same principle will be for Yahoo.


[1] 
https://help.yahoo.com/kb/account/temporary-access-insecure-sln27791.html
[2] 
https://help.yahoo.com/kb/account/generate-manage-third-party-passwords-sln15241.html

--
Yes, I've tried the app passwords without success. As near as I can 
tell, they are just a randomly generated secure password that is linked 
to a particular application as well as the account.

Re: is it possible to send e-mail via Yahoo's smtp servers using Thunderbird (78.13.0)?

[Gary Dale]

On 2021-09-10 18:26, Jeremy Ardley wrote:


On 11/9/21 5:39 am, Gary Dale wrote:
I've got a Yahoo mail account (among others) that I use for a 
particular purpose. However it's been a while since I've been able to 
send e-mail from it using Yahoo's smtp servers. Instead I've been 
sending e-mail via another smtp server so the "From" address doesn't 
match the login domain. Gmail apparently now considers that to be 
sufficient reason to bounce the e-mail so I've been trying to get 
Thunderbird to use the Yahoo server to send mail for this account.


So far I haven't been able to come up with any combination of 
settings, including removing the account and recreating it in 
Thunderbird, that allow the mail to go through.


The messages I get either complain about the password or tell me "An 
error occurred while sending mail. The mail server responded: Request 
failed; Mailbox unavailable. Please check the message and try again."


Does anyone have Thunderbird and Yahoo working together?




I have it running on thunderbird. Both imap and smtp use ssl/tls and 
oauth2


smtp uses port 465 while imap uses port 993

I have some memory getting oauth2 to work may have been a bit of effort.

I had a similar problem with a Rogers account that stopped working. It's 
one of the reasons I stopped using Rogers... They turned their e-mail 
over to Yahoo and Yahoo doesn't really support e-mail.

Re: is it possible to send e-mail via Yahoo's smtp servers using Thunderbird (78.13.0)?

[Gary Dale]

On 2021-09-10 18:32, jeremy ardley wrote:


On 11/09/2021 6:26 am, Jeremy Ardley wrote:


On 11/9/21 5:39 am, Gary Dale wrote:



Does anyone have Thunderbird and Yahoo working together?




I have it running on thunderbird. Both imap and smtp use ssl/tls and 
oauth2


smtp uses port 465 while imap uses port 993

I have some memory getting oauth2 to work may have been a bit of effort.


This may be relevant. You need to remove any stored passwords after 
you apply oauth2 to an account.


https://www.supertechcrew.com/thunderbird-oauth2-gmail/

Jeremy

I've tried that already but I'll give it another go. I actually removed 
all my stored Thunderbird passwords for Yahoo before I recreated the 
account in Thunderbird.

Re: OT: Re: is it possible to send e-mail via Yahoo's smtp servers using Thunderbird (78.13.0)?

[Jeremy Ardley]

On 11/9/21 9:48 am, piorunz wrote:

Offtopic:

You sure you want to use Yahoo knowing what are they capable of, or,
what they are not capable of doing, where they should?

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/yahoo-admits-staff-knew-state-sponsored-hack-2014-1590924 



https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/yahoo-breach-one-billion-state-government-actor-criminals-1.3898586 






Personally I use yahoo as a throw-away account for dodgy sites.

Using gmail you have the problem that google scans all messages and you 
may well get different search results. For instance my son emailed me 
his flight itinerary. Google picked up on that and gave me his details 
when I searched the flight number


Also, using gmail, it's noticeably slower than my own postfix and 
dovecot servers when I connect using my phone remotely. gmail 
authorisation seems to take a very long time.


--
Jeremy



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OT: Re: is it possible to send e-mail via Yahoo's smtp servers using Thunderbird (78.13.0)?

[piorunz]

Offtopic:

You sure you want to use Yahoo knowing what are they capable of, or,
what they are not capable of doing, where they should?

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/yahoo-admits-staff-knew-state-sponsored-hack-2014-1590924

https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/yahoo-breach-one-billion-state-government-actor-criminals-1.3898586

On 11/09/2021 01:52, Gary Dale wrote:

On 2021-09-10 18:26, Jeremy Ardley wrote:


On 11/9/21 5:39 am, Gary Dale wrote:

I've got a Yahoo mail account (among others) that I use for a
particular purpose. However it's been a while since I've been able to
send e-mail from it using Yahoo's smtp servers. Instead I've been
sending e-mail via another smtp server so the "From" address doesn't
match the login domain. Gmail apparently now considers that to be
sufficient reason to bounce the e-mail so I've been trying to get
Thunderbird to use the Yahoo server to send mail for this account.

So far I haven't been able to come up with any combination of
settings, including removing the account and recreating it in
Thunderbird, that allow the mail to go through.

The messages I get either complain about the password or tell me "An
error occurred while sending mail. The mail server responded: Request
failed; Mailbox unavailable. Please check the message and try again."

Does anyone have Thunderbird and Yahoo working together?




I have it running on thunderbird. Both imap and smtp use ssl/tls and
oauth2

smtp uses port 465 while imap uses port 993

I have some memory getting oauth2 to work may have been a bit of effort.


I had a similar problem with a Rogers account that stopped working. It's
one of the reasons I stopped using Rogers... They turned their e-mail
over to Yahoo and Yahoo doesn't really support e-mail.





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is it possible to send e-mail via Yahoo's smtp servers using Thunderbird (78.13.0)?

[Gary Dale]

I've got a Yahoo mail account (among others) that I use for a particular 
purpose. However it's been a while since I've been able to send e-mail 
from it using Yahoo's smtp servers. Instead I've been sending e-mail via 
another smtp server so the "From" address doesn't match the login 
domain. Gmail apparently now considers that to be sufficient reason to 
bounce the e-mail so I've been trying to get Thunderbird to use the 
Yahoo server to send mail for this account.


So far I haven't been able to come up with any combination of settings, 
including removing the account and recreating it in Thunderbird, that 
allow the mail to go through.


The messages I get either complain about the password or tell me "An 
error occurred while sending mail. The mail server responded: Request 
failed; Mailbox unavailable. Please check the message and try again."


Does anyone have Thunderbird and Yahoo working together?

Re: is it possible to send e-mail via Yahoo's smtp servers using Thunderbird (78.13.0)?

[Jeremy Ardley]

On 11/9/21 8:51 am, Gary Dale wrote:

On 2021-09-10 18:32, jeremy ardley wrote:


On 11/09/2021 6:26 am, Jeremy Ardley wrote:


On 11/9/21 5:39 am, Gary Dale wrote:



Does anyone have Thunderbird and Yahoo working together?




I have it running on thunderbird. Both imap and smtp use ssl/tls and 
oauth2


smtp uses port 465 while imap uses port 993

I have some memory getting oauth2 to work may have been a bit of 
effort.



This may be relevant. You need to remove any stored passwords after 
you apply oauth2 to an account.


https://www.supertechcrew.com/thunderbird-oauth2-gmail/

Jeremy

I've tried that already but I'll give it another go. I actually 
removed all my stored Thunderbird passwords for Yahoo before I 
recreated the account in Thunderbird.


The other thing that may be relevant is using the full yahoo address as 
the username e.g. joe.b...@yahoo.com rather than joe.blow


--
Jeremy



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Re: is it possible to send e-mail via Yahoo's smtp servers using Thunderbird (78.13.0)?

[jeremy ardley]

On 11/09/2021 6:26 am, Jeremy Ardley wrote:


On 11/9/21 5:39 am, Gary Dale wrote:



Does anyone have Thunderbird and Yahoo working together?




I have it running on thunderbird. Both imap and smtp use ssl/tls and 
oauth2


smtp uses port 465 while imap uses port 993

I have some memory getting oauth2 to work may have been a bit of effort.


This may be relevant. You need to remove any stored passwords after you 
apply oauth2 to an account.


https://www.supertechcrew.com/thunderbird-oauth2-gmail/

Jeremy

Re: is it possible to send e-mail via Yahoo's smtp servers using Thunderbird (78.13.0)?

[Jeremy Ardley]

On 11/9/21 5:39 am, Gary Dale wrote:
I've got a Yahoo mail account (among others) that I use for a 
particular purpose. However it's been a while since I've been able to 
send e-mail from it using Yahoo's smtp servers. Instead I've been 
sending e-mail via another smtp server so the "From" address doesn't 
match the login domain. Gmail apparently now considers that to be 
sufficient reason to bounce the e-mail so I've been trying to get 
Thunderbird to use the Yahoo server to send mail for this account.


So far I haven't been able to come up with any combination of 
settings, including removing the account and recreating it in 
Thunderbird, that allow the mail to go through.


The messages I get either complain about the password or tell me "An 
error occurred while sending mail. The mail server responded: Request 
failed; Mailbox unavailable. Please check the message and try again."


Does anyone have Thunderbird and Yahoo working together?




I have it running on thunderbird. Both imap and smtp use ssl/tls and oauth2

smtp uses port 465 while imap uses port 993

I have some memory getting oauth2 to work may have been a bit of effort.


--
Jeremy



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Re: is it possible to send e-mail via Yahoo's smtp servers using Thunderbird (78.13.0)?

[Alexander V. Makartsev]

On 11.09.2021 02:39, Gary Dale wrote:
I've got a Yahoo mail account (among others) that I use for a 
particular purpose. However it's been a while since I've been able to 
send e-mail from it using Yahoo's smtp servers. Instead I've been 
sending e-mail via another smtp server so the "From" address doesn't 
match the login domain. Gmail apparently now considers that to be 
sufficient reason to bounce the e-mail so I've been trying to get 
Thunderbird to use the Yahoo server to send mail for this account.


So far I haven't been able to come up with any combination of 
settings, including removing the account and recreating it in 
Thunderbird, that allow the mail to go through.


The messages I get either complain about the password or tell me "An 
error occurred while sending mail. The mail server responded: Request 
failed; Mailbox unavailable. Please check the message and try again."


Does anyone have Thunderbird and Yahoo working together?



Pretty sure, it's the issue with Yahoo¹ ², nothing to do with Thunderbird.
Yahoo is following the same path as GMail, forcing their users to use 
web browsers as mail clients.
In case of GMail you have to use same generated "app-password" for both 
IMAP and SMTP services.

I guess the same principle will be for Yahoo.


[1] 
https://help.yahoo.com/kb/account/temporary-access-insecure-sln27791.html
[2] 
https://help.yahoo.com/kb/account/generate-manage-third-party-passwords-sln15241.html


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<> Re: Looking for a "friendly" e-mail service

[mark]

On Monday, November 26, 2018 9:37:21 AM EST Mark Neidorff wrote:
> 
> It is time for me to give the static IP back and stop being my own e-mail
> service.  I'm moving from my static IP to Verizon FIOS, but I don't think
> that really matters.
> 
> If you know of an e-mail service that allows me  POP3 and SMTP connections,
> would you please post it in a reply.

Thank you all for your suggestions.  I found that Ionos (used to be 1&1 for 
those with long 
memories) gives me the best bang for the buck.  The accept mail for my domain 
(so I don't 
have to resubscribe to everything), provide pop3 and imap access, have a 2Gb 
limit on the 
contents of the mailbox (not on traffic) for $1 per month.  For $2 per month, 
they allow up 
to 20 user names under the same domain.  More storage is available for more 
money.  
Their help was excellent, and the process of getting set up was easy.  

Certainly they are not the only company to provide this service, but they suit 
my needs.  

Thanks to everyone,
Mark

Re: Looking for a "friendly" e-mail service

[David Wright]

On Fri 07 Dec 2018 at 10:08:35 (+), Joe wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 23:05:24 -0500 Celejar  wrote:
> > On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 08:59:25 + Ben Oliver  wrote:
> > > On 18-11-26 21:12:19, Celejar wrote:
> > > >On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 09:37:21 -0500 Mark Neidorff  
> > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > >...
> > > >  
> > > >> Now, I don't like the webmail interfaces and the limited storage
> > > >> for old  
> > > >
> > > >Limited storage? Who - big or small player - offers unlimited
> > > >storage for old emails?
> > > >  
> > > 
> > > My suggestion [0] (a 'small' player) does!
> > > 
> > > [0] https://www.migadu.com/  
> > 
> > Very interesting, thanks. I notice that they say "Storage is not your
> > problem, it is ours." [0] We trust you will not abuse it." What does
> > "abuse" mean in this context? That it shouldn't be used for file
> > storage?
> > 
> > [0] https://www.migadu.com/en/benefits.html#anchor_storage
> 
> Some people keep a) all their old email, which is a perfectly
> reasonable thing to do, and b) leave all the attachments in, which is
> also perfectly reasonable to do on your own storage.
> 
> I used to deal with a client who did this and who received a *lot* of
> attachments. I had to fix his broken [Exchange] mailbox a couple of
> times, and it was *enormous*. Exchange mailboxes seem to take an amount
> of time to fix that is an exponential function of their size, they are
> basically MS Access databases.

OTOH they may feel that uploading all your backups etc is unreasonable,
perhaps including workarounds like mailing them to yourself.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Looking for a "friendly" e-mail service

[Joe]

On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 23:05:24 -0500
Celejar  wrote:

> On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 08:59:25 +
> Ben Oliver  wrote:
> 
> > On 18-11-26 21:12:19, Celejar wrote:  
> > >On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 09:37:21 -0500
> > >Mark Neidorff  wrote:
> > >
> > >...
> > >  
> > >> Now, I don't like the webmail interfaces and the limited storage
> > >> for old  
> > >
> > >Limited storage? Who - big or small player - offers unlimited
> > >storage for old emails?
> > >  
> > 
> > My suggestion [0] (a 'small' player) does!
> > 
> > [0] https://www.migadu.com/  
> 
> Very interesting, thanks. I notice that they say "Storage is not your
> problem, it is ours." [0] We trust you will not abuse it." What does
> "abuse" mean in this context? That it shouldn't be used for file
> storage?
> 
> [0] https://www.migadu.com/en/benefits.html#anchor_storage

Some people keep a) all their old email, which is a perfectly
reasonable thing to do, and b) leave all the attachments in, which is
also perfectly reasonable to do on your own storage.

I used to deal with a client who did this and who received a *lot* of
attachments. I had to fix his broken [Exchange] mailbox a couple of
times, and it was *enormous*. Exchange mailboxes seem to take an amount
of time to fix that is an exponential function of their size, they are
basically MS Access databases.

-- 
Joe

Re: Looking for a "friendly" e-mail service

[Celejar]

On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 08:59:25 +
Ben Oliver  wrote:

> On 18-11-26 21:12:19, Celejar wrote:
> >On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 09:37:21 -0500
> >Mark Neidorff  wrote:
> >
> >...
> >
> >> Now, I don't like the webmail interfaces and the limited storage for old
> >
> >Limited storage? Who - big or small player - offers unlimited storage
> >for old emails?
> >
> 
> My suggestion [0] (a 'small' player) does!
> 
> [0] https://www.migadu.com/

Very interesting, thanks. I notice that they say "Storage is not your
problem, it is ours." [0] We trust you will not abuse it." What does
"abuse" mean in this context? That it shouldn't be used for file
storage?

[0] https://www.migadu.com/en/benefits.html#anchor_storage

Celejar

Re: Looking for a "friendly" e-mail service

[Michelle Konzack]

Am 2018-11-26 hackte Brian in die Tasten:
> On Mon 26 Nov 2018 at 09:37:21 -0500, Mark Neidorff wrote:
> gmail and yahoo. :)

He asked for a "friendly" EMail Service not a crappy free one

Depending on his traffic, he could get an account under my domain
 which support IMAP/SMTP plus Squirrelmail.


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Re: Looking for a "friendly" e-mail service

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 27 November 2018 09:49:22 John Hasler wrote:

[...]

> You've reinvented parts of Mailagent and Exim.

With something I am familiar with and doesn't need a 200 page help file. 
Similar to skinning cats, first make sure its truly dead. ;-)

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Re: Looking for a "friendly" e-mail service

[Celejar]

On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 15:04:48 +1100
Erik Christiansen  wrote:

> On 26.11.18 21:12, Celejar wrote:
> > On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 09:37:21 -0500
> > Mark Neidorff  wrote:
> > > Now, I don't like the webmail interfaces and the limited storage for old 
> > 
> > Limited storage? Who - big or small player - offers unlimited storage
> > for old emails?
> 
> There are various values for old and limited, in reality. When I'm out
> of town for a fortnight, there's usually 1500 to 2k emails piled up on
> the ISP's mailhost. Fortunately only a small subset of them are over 1
> MB in size.
> 
> It is fortunately rare for ISPs to block multi-megabyte emails now that
> we've left the old millennium behind, as I'm in the process of building,
> and local authorities, building surveyors, fire authorities, etc.,
> mostly issue their documents by email now.
> 
> Still, a few hundred MB usually does it for the fortnight, and the
> longer absence over the new year is an email drought, so size would be
> similar.
> 
> Those who leave read mail on the ISP's mailhost, due to accessing from
> multiple client hosts, are at greater risk of exceeding their quota, and
> would naturally look for some extra, I figure.

Understood. But the big players - Gmail, Yahoo - are probably the ones
offering the largest amount of storage, whether you're accessing the
mail via POP3 / IMAP or the webmail interface.

Celejar

Re: Looking for a "friendly" e-mail service

[John Hasler]

Gene writes:
> No for everything that clamav gives a clean bill of health, it tells
> kmail to go get the mail when a mailfile in /var/mail is closed after
> procmail writes it there. Kmail looks at the headers and if spamd said
> it was spam, sorts it to the spam folder. procmail takes care of the
> viri so kmail never sees it at all.

> If not spam, it gets sorted into the appropriate mail folder by kmail.
> All triggered by inotifywait exiting with the name of the file, bash
> then takes the correct action and restarts inotifywait, all in a
> millisecobd or so.  That bash script I called mailwatcher.

You've reinvented parts of Mailagent and Exim.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Looking for a "friendly" e-mail service

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 27 November 2018 08:41:32 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Monday, November 26, 2018 09:51:49 PM Gene Heskett wrote:
> > I even wrote a script to couple kmail so the incoming mail only
> > exists few a few milliseconds in /var/mail.
>
> I don't understand -- what is your script doing?  Is it doing it only
> for spam?

No for everything that clamav gives a clean bill of health, it tells 
kmail to go get the mail when a mailfile in /var/mail is closed after 
procmail writes it there. Kmail looks at the headers and if spamd said 
it was spam, sorts it to the spam folder. procmail takes care of the 
viri so kmail never sees it at all.

If not spam, it gets sorted into the appropriate mail folder by kmail. 
All triggered by inotifywait exiting with the name of the file, bash 
then takes the correct action and restarts inotifywait, all in a 
millisecobd or so.  That bash script I called mailwatcher. An older 
version that might need tweaking for you system & names is on my web 
page in the sig. Be my guest.
>
> > I'm a lazy cuss, let the computer
> > handle all that stuff, that is what I built it for, to work FOR me.
> > And its been very happy being my slave.



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Re: Looking for a "friendly" e-mail service

[rhkramer]

On Monday, November 26, 2018 09:51:49 PM Gene Heskett wrote:
> I even wrote a script to couple kmail so the incoming mail only exists
> few a few milliseconds in /var/mail. 

I don't understand -- what is your script doing?  Is it doing it only for 
spam?




> I'm a lazy cuss, let the computer
> handle all that stuff, that is what I built it for, to work FOR me. And
> its been very happy being my slave.

Re: Looking for a "friendly" e-mail service

[Ben Oliver]

On 18-11-26 21:12:19, Celejar wrote:

On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 09:37:21 -0500
Mark Neidorff  wrote:

...


Now, I don't like the webmail interfaces and the limited storage for old


Limited storage? Who - big or small player - offers unlimited storage
for old emails?



My suggestion [0] (a 'small' player) does!

[0] https://www.migadu.com/


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Re: Looking for a "friendly" e-mail service

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 26 November 2018 23:04:48 Erik Christiansen wrote:

> On 26.11.18 21:12, Celejar wrote:
> > On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 09:37:21 -0500
> >
> > Mark Neidorff  wrote:
> > > Now, I don't like the webmail interfaces and the limited storage
> > > for old
> >
> > Limited storage? Who - big or small player - offers unlimited
> > storage for old emails?
>
> There are various values for old and limited, in reality. When I'm out
> of town for a fortnight, there's usually 1500 to 2k emails piled up on
> the ISP's mailhost. Fortunately only a small subset of them are over 1
> MB in size.
>
> It is fortunately rare for ISPs to block multi-megabyte emails now
> that we've left the old millennium behind, as I'm in the process of
> building, and local authorities, building surveyors, fire authorities,
> etc., mostly issue their documents by email now.
>
> Still, a few hundred MB usually does it for the fortnight, and the
> longer absence over the new year is an email drought, so size would be
> similar.
>
> Those who leave read mail on the ISP's mailhost, due to accessing from
> multiple client hosts, are at greater risk of exceeding their quota,
> and would naturally look for some extra, I figure.
>
> Erik

Thats why I store my old mail on my own machine. I just checked my inbox, 
and the oldest email there that is actually dated, some don't have dates, 
is from 12/11/01.

As machines get replaced, or hard drives get full or whatever and get 
replaced, that email corpus gets copied to the new machine or drive, 
so I have a good email history right at my fingertips. 

It can be at times a valuable resource.

Speaking of old hard drives, one of the first 1T drives in this machine is
according to smartctl:

5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033  100  100  036  Pre-fail  Always - 25
9 Power_On_Hours  0x0032  012  012  000  Old_age   Always - 77192

That drive worried me with that re-allocated count at about 5k hours, 
the first time I looked at it with the then brand new smartctl.  So
I trolled thru the Seagate site and found an iso file with new firmware
for it, and installed it on the drive by rebooting to that iso on a CD.

That upped its read/write speed by about 50%, to over 130 meg/second, 
and didn't lose a single bit.

That drive now has 77192 hours on it. Thats now 8.80584074835 years of 
spinning essentially 24/7/365.25. And it is not giving any indication 
its anywhere near the end of its life. In the life of some drives I've 
had, thats equ to an eon or so.

Does anyone have a drive with more hours on it?



-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: Looking for a "friendly" e-mail service

[Erik Christiansen]

On 26.11.18 21:12, Celejar wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 09:37:21 -0500
> Mark Neidorff  wrote:
> > Now, I don't like the webmail interfaces and the limited storage for old 
> 
> Limited storage? Who - big or small player - offers unlimited storage
> for old emails?

There are various values for old and limited, in reality. When I'm out
of town for a fortnight, there's usually 1500 to 2k emails piled up on
the ISP's mailhost. Fortunately only a small subset of them are over 1
MB in size.

It is fortunately rare for ISPs to block multi-megabyte emails now that
we've left the old millennium behind, as I'm in the process of building,
and local authorities, building surveyors, fire authorities, etc.,
mostly issue their documents by email now.

Still, a few hundred MB usually does it for the fortnight, and the
longer absence over the new year is an email drought, so size would be
similar.

Those who leave read mail on the ISP's mailhost, due to accessing from
multiple client hosts, are at greater risk of exceeding their quota, and
would naturally look for some extra, I figure.

Erik

Re: Looking for a "friendly" e-mail service

[Celejar]

On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 09:37:21 -0500
Mark Neidorff  wrote:

...

> Now, I don't like the webmail interfaces and the limited storage for old 

Limited storage? Who - big or small player - offers unlimited storage
for old emails?

> emails that the big players (gmail, yahoo,etc) use.  I like to download and 
> process the email locally using either kmail or thunderbird (doesn't matter 
> which to me.  I have experience with both.)
> 
> If you know of an e-mail service that allows me  POP3 and SMTP connections, 
> would you please post it in a reply.

My impression is that pretty much any serious email provider - free or
paid - offers POP3 and SMTP access. Gmail, Yahoo, GMX, and Zoho all do.

I use the latter two for most of my serious mail.

Celejar

Re: Looking for a "friendly" e-mail service

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 26 November 2018 21:22:35 Erik Christiansen wrote:

> On 26.11.18 17:13, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Get on the horn and ask your isp if they run a mailserver. Mine
> > does, and I use it, but when I first started, I had to call their
> > network guy and have him whitelist all the mailing lists I an on.
>
> Here, down under, that's the norm - I've never heard of an ISP which
> so despises the 'S' that there's no mail. We generally have a choice
> of IMAP or POP3. (I have fetchmail set to use the latter.)
>
> > Other than that, it just works, and I'm only getting perhaps .01% of
> > the spam I was getting thru a qmail server I used previously as an
> > ex employee.
>
> Ditto. I've had to use my ISP's GUI utility to relax their spam
> filtering, else I miss out on even notices of specials from the
> vendors I deal with. The few unwanted which then also sneak in are
> just diverted with an additional procmail recipe, as that utility is
> already in place for distributing list mail to individual mailboxes.
> (Saves learning yet another app when not really needed.)
>
> Erik

Theres an echo in here, sounds exactly like what I've been doing for the 
last 20+ years. Very very little work to keep track of around 40 mailing 
lists I'm on, an eclectic list some have called it.

I even wrote a script to couple kmail so the incoming mail only exists 
few a few milliseconds in /var/mail. I'm a lazy cuss, let the computer 
handle all that stuff, that is what I built it for, to work FOR me. And 
its been very happy being my slave.

-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: Looking for a "friendly" e-mail service

[John Hasler]

debian-user writes:
> Here, down under, that's the norm - I've never heard of an ISP which
> so despises the 'S' that there's no mail. We generally have a choice
> of IMAP or POP3. (I have fetchmail set to use the latter.)

They just about always offer email service but it can be pretty
bad. You're lucky to have a network guy you can actually communicate
with.

> I've had to use my ISP's GUI utility to relax their spam filtering,
> else I miss out on even notices of specials from the vendors I deal
> with.

I use Spamassassin.  It learns what *I* consider spam.  I also use
Mailagent to (among other things) send everything from certain domains
to the bit bucket.  Newsguy takes care of greylisting, of course.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Looking for a "friendly" e-mail service

[Erik Christiansen]

On 26.11.18 17:13, Gene Heskett wrote:
> Get on the horn and ask your isp if they run a mailserver. Mine does, and 
> I use it, but when I first started, I had to call their network guy and 
> have him whitelist all the mailing lists I an on.

Here, down under, that's the norm - I've never heard of an ISP which so
despises the 'S' that there's no mail. We generally have a choice of
IMAP or POP3. (I have fetchmail set to use the latter.)

> Other than that, it just works, and I'm only getting perhaps .01% of the 
> spam I was getting thru a qmail server I used previously as an ex 
> employee.

Ditto. I've had to use my ISP's GUI utility to relax their spam
filtering, else I miss out on even notices of specials from the vendors
I deal with. The few unwanted which then also sneak in are just diverted
with an additional procmail recipe, as that utility is already in place
for distributing list mail to individual mailboxes. (Saves learning
yet another app when not really needed.)

Erik

Re: Looking for a "friendly" e-mail service

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 26 November 2018 09:50:09 Brian wrote:

> On Mon 26 Nov 2018 at 09:37:21 -0500, Mark Neidorff wrote:
> > (I know this is not Debian specific, but I think it is useful info
> > for the members of the list.)
> >
> > Admittedly, I'm spoiled.  I've had a static IP and my own domain for
> > nearly 15 years.  I set up a mailserver which has run without
> > missing a beat in all that time.
> >
> > It is time for me to give the static IP back and stop being my own
> > e-mail service.  I'm moving from my static IP to Verizon FIOS, but I
> > don't think that really matters.
> >
> > Now, I don't like the webmail interfaces and the limited storage for
> > old emails that the big players (gmail, yahoo,etc) use.  I like to
> > download and process the email locally using either kmail or
> > thunderbird (doesn't matter which to me.  I have experience with
> > both.)
> >
> > If you know of an e-mail service that allows me  POP3 and SMTP
> > connections, would you please post it in a reply.
> >
> > Thank you for any suggestions,
>
> gmail and yahoo. :)

Both of which ignore tfc's that don't suit their business models, with a 
lot of yahoo mail originating in their webmail servers being classified 
as spam. 

Gmail has such an aggressive duplication preventer that you'll never see 
your own posts echo'd back to you as assurance your post actually made 
it to the mailing list.

Get on the horn and ask your isp if they run a mailserver. Mine does, and 
I use it, but when I first started, I had to call their network guy and 
have him whitelist all the mailing lists I an on. That was about 3 years 
ago and I've not had to repeat it. The only problem is that its also an 
imap server, and they've disabled fetchmails ability to delete a 
downloaded via pop3 message, so I use FF to log into it, nominally 
daily, and clean house. About 5 minutes.

Other than that, it just works, and I'm only getting perhaps .01% of the 
spam I was getting thru a qmail server I used previously as an ex 
employee. So I'm tickled pink except for having to do the housekeeping 
with firefox.

-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

Re: Looking for a "friendly" e-mail service

[Joe]

On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 10:40:33 -0600
John Hasler  wrote:

> Joe writes:
> > Are you hanging on to your domain name(s)? Many domain hosts also
> > offer limited email facilities, which is no problem if you're
> > downloading regularly.  
> 
> Any decent registry will forward mail addressed to your domain to the
> address you specify.  I have Gandi forward mail addressed to my
> domains to my Newsguy address.  You don't need to have a Web site.

Yes, they all do that, but some provide small mailboxes also. I've
never run  a public web site (not on my own hardware, anyway) but I've
hired domain names for twenty years.

-- 
Joe

Re: Looking for a "friendly" e-mail service

[John Hasler]

Joe writes:
> Are you hanging on to your domain name(s)? Many domain hosts also
> offer limited email facilities, which is no problem if you're
> downloading regularly.

Any decent registry will forward mail addressed to your domain to the
address you specify.  I have Gandi forward mail addressed to my domains
to my Newsguy address.  You don't need to have a Web site.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Looking for a "friendly" e-mail service

[John Cunningham]

I second Fastmail. Tuffmail is also worth a look.

On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 11:23 AM John Hasler  wrote:

> Mark writes:
> > If you know of an e-mail service that allows me  POP3 and SMTP
> connections,
> > would you please post it in a reply.
>
> Newsguy.com
>
> I've been using them for more than ten years with no problems.  They
> have spam filtering which you can turn off.  They also have a Webmail
> interface but you don't have to use it.  I pay them an annual fee so I
> am a customer, not a set of "eyeballs" to be marketed.
>
> I download my mail with Fetchmail which hands it off to Exim for local
> delivery ("local" meaning on this machine).  I selected "smarthost" when
> installing Exim so it connects to Newsguy for all outgoing mail (and
> accepts no incoming connections).  This is a standard Debian
> configuration.
>
> Kmail and Thuderbird will work fine with Newsguy, of course.
> --
> John Hasler
> jhas...@newsguy.com
> Elmwood, WI USA
>
> --
John L. Cunningham

Re: Looking for a "friendly" e-mail service

[Andy Smith]

Hello,

On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 09:55:17AM -0500, The Wanderer wrote:
> On 2018-11-26 at 09:37, Mark Neidorff wrote:
> > If you know of an e-mail service that allows me  POP3 and SMTP
> > connections, would you please post it in a reply.
> 
> I use Fastmail, which supported both (as well as IMAP) last time I
> checked, and I've been a quite satisfied customer of theirs - with
> Thunderbird as my E-mail client - for quite some years now.

I would second Fastmail. I run my own email but doing so for family
and friends got too complicated so I've slowly been moving them to
Fastmail where they didn't want to sort it out themselves.
Admittedly all of them use the web interface, but if Fastmail has
POP and IMAP then I trust it to be as good as the rest of their
setup.

But OP says they want SMTP - does that mean relaying out through the
provider, or having the provider relay inbound email to your
servers? I'm not aware that Fastmail does that.

Cheers,
Andy

-- 
https://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting

Re: Looking for a "friendly" e-mail service

[John Hasler]

Mark writes:
> If you know of an e-mail service that allows me  POP3 and SMTP connections, 
> would you please post it in a reply.

Newsguy.com

I've been using them for more than ten years with no problems.  They
have spam filtering which you can turn off.  They also have a Webmail
interface but you don't have to use it.  I pay them an annual fee so I
am a customer, not a set of "eyeballs" to be marketed.

I download my mail with Fetchmail which hands it off to Exim for local
delivery ("local" meaning on this machine).  I selected "smarthost" when
installing Exim so it connects to Newsguy for all outgoing mail (and
accepts no incoming connections).  This is a standard Debian
configuration.

Kmail and Thuderbird will work fine with Newsguy, of course.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Looking for a "friendly" e-mail service

[Brian]

On Mon 26 Nov 2018 at 09:37:21 -0500, Mark Neidorff wrote:

> (I know this is not Debian specific, but I think it is useful info for the 
> members of the list.)
> 
> Admittedly, I'm spoiled.  I've had a static IP and my own domain for nearly 
> 15 
> years.  I set up a mailserver which has run without missing a beat in all 
> that 
> time.
> 
> It is time for me to give the static IP back and stop being my own e-mail 
> service.  I'm moving from my static IP to Verizon FIOS, but I don't think 
> that 
> really matters.
> 
> Now, I don't like the webmail interfaces and the limited storage for old 
> emails that the big players (gmail, yahoo,etc) use.  I like to download and 
> process the email locally using either kmail or thunderbird (doesn't matter 
> which to me.  I have experience with both.)
> 
> If you know of an e-mail service that allows me  POP3 and SMTP connections, 
> would you please post it in a reply.
> 
> Thank you for any suggestions,

gmail and yahoo. :)

-- 
Brian.

Re: Looking for a "friendly" e-mail service

[Joe]

On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 09:37:21 -0500
Mark Neidorff  wrote:


> If you know of an e-mail service that allows me  POP3 and SMTP
> connections, would you please post it in a reply.
> 

I thought that even the big boys allowed POP or IMAP downloading, I'm
pretty sure you can do it with gmail, if you can tolerate it. They'll
all read your emails.

Are you hanging on to your domain name(s)? Many domain hosts also offer
limited email facilities, which is no problem if you're downloading
regularly.

-- 
Joe

Re: Looking for a "friendly" e-mail service

[The Wanderer]

On 2018-11-26 at 09:37, Mark Neidorff wrote:

> (I know this is not Debian specific, but I think it is useful info
> for the members of the list.)
> 
> Admittedly, I'm spoiled.  I've had a static IP and my own domain for
> nearly 15 years.  I set up a mailserver which has run without missing
> a beat in all that time.
> 
> It is time for me to give the static IP back and stop being my own
> e-mail service.  I'm moving from my static IP to Verizon FIOS, but I
> don't think that really matters.
> 
> Now, I don't like the webmail interfaces and the limited storage for
> old emails that the big players (gmail, yahoo,etc) use.  I like to
> download and process the email locally using either kmail or
> thunderbird (doesn't matter which to me.  I have experience with
> both.)
> 
> If you know of an e-mail service that allows me  POP3 and SMTP
> connections, would you please post it in a reply.

I use Fastmail, which supported both (as well as IMAP) last time I
checked, and I've been a quite satisfied customer of theirs - with
Thunderbird as my E-mail client - for quite some years now.

It's not a *free* mail service, but I'd be surprised if you found any
free service that fits the criteria you specify.

-- 
   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw



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Re: Looking for a "friendly" e-mail service

[Ben Oliver]

On 18-11-26 09:37:21, Mark Neidorff wrote:
If you know of an e-mail service that allows me  POP3 and SMTP 
connections would you please post it in a reply.


I recommend and use https://www.migadu.com/

They do have a webmail but they focus mainly on providing a simple email 
service. They have good docs on getting DNS set up, and a pretty simple 
management interface for handling accounts etc.


Been with them for 1 year now and I'm very happy with it.


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Looking for a "friendly" e-mail service

[Mark Neidorff]

(I know this is not Debian specific, but I think it is useful info for the 
members of the list.)

Admittedly, I'm spoiled.  I've had a static IP and my own domain for nearly 15 
years.  I set up a mailserver which has run without missing a beat in all that 
time.

It is time for me to give the static IP back and stop being my own e-mail 
service.  I'm moving from my static IP to Verizon FIOS, but I don't think that 
really matters.

Now, I don't like the webmail interfaces and the limited storage for old 
emails that the big players (gmail, yahoo,etc) use.  I like to download and 
process the email locally using either kmail or thunderbird (doesn't matter 
which to me.  I have experience with both.)

If you know of an e-mail service that allows me  POP3 and SMTP connections, 
would you please post it in a reply.

Thank you for any suggestions,

Mark
-- 
Why are games that any fool can play the best sellers?

Re: e-mail addresses not being redone

[Gary Dale]

On 2018-05-12 09:18 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote:

On Fri, 11 May 2018, Gary Dale wrote:


Date: Fri, 11 May 2018 17:30:26
From: Gary Dale 
Reply-To: g...@extremeground.com
To: debian users 
Subject: e-mail addresses not being redone
Resent-Date: Fri, 11 May 2018 21:30:56 + (UTC)
Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org

I'm running Debian/Buster on an AMD64 system.

When I use "mail" to send e-mail from the command line, it doesn't 
use /etc/email-addresses to rewrite the "from" header but s-nail does.


Apparently on my system, mail is provided by the Gnu Mailutils. Is 
the the normal behaviour for Mailutils or do I have to configure it 
to respect /etc/email-addresses?



You may have had exim installed and in that case will have to adjust 
things in exim.




Yes. I have exim4 installed. I even told it to rewrite the from header 
to use the ISP's domain but it also seems to ignore that.

e-mail addresses not being redone

[Gary Dale]

I'm running Debian/Buster on an AMD64 system.

When I use "mail" to send e-mail from the command line, it doesn't use 
/etc/email-addresses to rewrite the "from" header but s-nail does.


Apparently on my system, mail is provided by the Gnu Mailutils. Is the 
the normal behaviour for Mailutils or do I have to configure it to 
respect /etc/email-addresses?

Re: Loosing my mind with sending an E-Mail...

[Mark Fletcher]

On Sat, Oct 07, 2017 at 04:29:08PM -0300, Eike Lantzsch wrote:
> On Saturday, 7 October 2017 00:22:19 -03 Markus Grunwald wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > > I'm loosing my mind. Why is that email disappearing?
> > 
> > Well, lost my mind. Thunderbird treated it as spam (doh!)
> So Thunderbird is actually expecting sentences in German language to make 
> sense?

It probably saw two malformed mails close together, put up with the 
first one, but then saw the second one and thought "nah, bollix..."

Mark

Re: Loosing my mind with sending an E-Mail...

[Eike Lantzsch]

On Saturday, 7 October 2017 00:22:19 -03 Markus Grunwald wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> > I'm loosing my mind. Why is that email disappearing?
> 
> Well, lost my mind. Thunderbird treated it as spam (doh!)
So Thunderbird is actually expecting sentences in German language to make 
sense?
SCNR
-- 
Eike Lantzsch ZP6CGE

Hay potentes, impotentes y prepotentes.

Re: Loosing my mind with sending an E-Mail...

[Markus Grunwald]

Hello,

> I'm loosing my mind. Why is that email disappearing?


Well, lost my mind. Thunderbird treated it as spam (doh!)
-- 
Markus Grunwald
http://www.the-grue.de/~markus/markus_grunwald.gpg

Loosing my mind with sending an E-Mail...

[Markus Grunwald]

Hello,

I'd like to send an E-Mail via commandline:

/bin/echo "Die Speisekammertuer steht offen Ist" | /usr/bin/mailx -s
"Offene Tuer" "mar...@irgendwo.de"

This mail is sent to my server, processed with postfix, dovecot and
sieve and I receive it in my E-Mail program. Fine.

This E-Mail just disappears:

/bin/echo "Die Speisekammertuer steht offen Ist das" | /usr/bin/mailx -s
"Offene Tuer" "mar...@irgendwo.de"

The difference is only the one additional word " das".

The logentry in dovecot for both mails is just the same:

2017-10-06 23:51:27 lda(mar...@irgendwo.de): Info: sieve:
msgid=unspecified: stored mail into mailbox 'INBOX'
2017-10-06 23:51:32 lda(mar...@irgendwo.de): Info: sieve:
msgid=unspecified: stored mail into mailbox 'INBOX'

I'm loosing my mind. Why is that email disappearing?

Both sender and server are debian jessie. mailx is heirloom-mailx, but
with bsd-mailx or even MIME::Lite in perl it's the same.

-- 
Markus Grunwald
http://www.the-grue.de/~markus/markus_grunwald.gpg

Re: E-mail headers 101 (was: Can't find the DNS Servers)

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 02 October 2017 06:39:00 Reco wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 02, 2017 at 06:26:08AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Monday 02 October 2017 03:00:28 Reco wrote:
> > >   Hi.
> > >
> > > On Sun, Oct 01, 2017 at 07:26:30PM -0700, Gary Roach wrote:
> > > > This is the second time I've tried to send this. The first one
> > > > just disappeared to the bit bucket I assume. So lets try again.
> > >
> > > It did not. Everyone on the list got it, I believe.
> >
> > You are using gmail. To gmail, the echo from the list is a
> > duplicate, and deleted. Just one of the reasons I left gmail.
>
> You misunderstood me.
> I meant that Gary Roach sent two different e-mails recently to this
> maillist.
> Both e-mails have similar contents.
> The one was replying to has this header:
>
>  Message-ID: 
>
> The one I saw but choose not to reply has this header:
>
>  Message-ID: <40d6cb1d-3867-1643-fbf6-49be4e1da...@verizon.net>
>
> Whatever evil sorcery GMail does with mails has nothing to do with
> this.
>
> Reco

I believe that "evil sorcery" is an accurate description. I had, several 
years ago now, a lengthy discussion regarding that over the LL with 
googles tech support. They were adamant that it was not open for 
discussion.  So I moved my list subscriptions, but left fetchmails 
access active, and still used it for PM's. A month or so later 
fetchmails logins became invalid intermittently, then permanently. Since 
I wasn't of a mind to waste another quarter argueing with a stone wall, 
I commented that poll stanza out of my .fetchmailrc. Shrug.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: E-mail headers 101 (was: Can't find the DNS Servers)

[Reco]

On Mon, Oct 02, 2017 at 06:26:08AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Monday 02 October 2017 03:00:28 Reco wrote:
> 
> > Hi.
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 01, 2017 at 07:26:30PM -0700, Gary Roach wrote:
> > > This is the second time I've tried to send this. The first one just
> > > disappeared to the bit bucket I assume. So lets try again.
> >
> > It did not. Everyone on the list got it, I believe.
> >
> You are using gmail. To gmail, the echo from the list is a duplicate, and 
> deleted. Just one of the reasons I left gmail.

You misunderstood me.
I meant that Gary Roach sent two different e-mails recently to this
maillist.
Both e-mails have similar contents.
The one was replying to has this header:

 Message-ID: 

The one I saw but choose not to reply has this header:

 Message-ID: <40d6cb1d-3867-1643-fbf6-49be4e1da...@verizon.net>

Whatever evil sorcery GMail does with mails has nothing to do with this.

Reco

Re: [ A little off topic] Best e-mail client for Android

[pjw]

On Mon, Apr 11, 2016, at 06:02 AM, German wrote:
> I wonder what Debian users use on their phone/tablet.

ProfiMail Go
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lonelycatgames.PM&hl=en

Re: [ A little off topic] Best e-mail client for Android

[Siard]

li...@rickv.com:
> Siard:
> > I really hate K9-Mail's logo.
> > Looks like a severely battered blind dog.
> > That's why I go for Kaiten.
> 
> Glad you said that -- I don't like the dog either. I don't get the
> reference, so Kaiten's postbox makes more sense. 
> 
> I bought Kaiten too, but after it stopped getting updates and
> support, I switched back to K-9. You know in a lot of ROMs and I
> think even launchers, you can change an app's icon? That's what I do;
> install both apps; change K-9's app icon to use Kaiten's icon;
> uninstall Kaiten but keep the icon with K-9. 100% cosmetic stupidity,
> but it makes me slightly happier.

I have replaced the Google Now launcher with the Apex launcher (main
reason: to get rid of the Google search bar) and indeed, on the desktop
at least, I can change an app's logo to any other logo.
I have an icon pack installed ('Glasklart' in this case) and took some
universal e-mail logo from there.

Re: [ A little off topic] Best e-mail client for Android

[Peter Ludikovsky]

Reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-9_%28Doctor_Who%29

Am 12.04.2016 um 02:40 schrieb li...@rickv.com:
> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 04:44:50PM +0200, Siard wrote:
>> Byung-Hee HWANG:
>> I really hate K9-Mail's logo.
>> Looks like a severely battered blind dog.
>> That's why I go for Kaiten.
> 
> Glad you said that -- I don't like the dog either. I don't get the
> reference, so Kaiten's postbox makes more sense.
> I bought Kaiten too, but after it stopped getting updates and support, I
> switched back to K-9. You know in a lot of ROMs and I think even
> launchers, you can change an app's icon? That's what I do; install both
> apps; change K-9's app icon to use Kaiten's icon; uninstall Kaiten but
> keep the icon with K-9. 100% cosmetic stupidity, but it makes me
> slightly happier.
> 



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Re: [ A little off topic] Best e-mail client for Android

[Keith Bainbridge]

On 12 Apr 2016, Willy MANGA  wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Le 11/04/2016 13:02, German a écrit :
>> I wonder what Debian users use on their phone/tablet.
>
>K9-mail from https://f-droid.org/ ;)

Good morning

I been using K@ for a few months.  Works well for day to day stuff

I'm still looking for an app that includes only highlighted text from the 
original in the reply, though. I figure redirect won't pass Google's 
'ethics'process, as they state publicly that they believe the process is a 
security risk. I disagree. 
Keith Bainbridge

0447 667 468 

keithrbaugro...@gmail.com 

Sent from my APad 

Re: [ A little off topic] Best e-mail client for Android

[lists]

On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 08:49:41AM -0400, shawn wilson wrote:

Y'all know you can buy kaiten mail and support the dev, right?

On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 8:29 AM, Byung-Hee HWANG (?)
 wrote:

On 2016??? 4??? 11??? ?? 9??? 8??? 6??? GMT+09:00, Hans 
 wrote:

Am Montag, 11. April 2016, 08:02:13 schrieb German:

I wonder what Debian users use on their phone/tablet.


Except, the dev(s) has not updated since about May 2014, nor does
he/she/they respond to emails about it. Meanwhile, K-9 gets regular
updates.

Re: [ A little off topic] Best e-mail client for Android

[lists]

On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 04:44:50PM +0200, Siard wrote:

Byung-Hee HWANG:
I really hate K9-Mail's logo.
Looks like a severely battered blind dog.
That's why I go for Kaiten.


Glad you said that -- I don't like the dog either. I don't get the
reference, so Kaiten's postbox makes more sense. 


I bought Kaiten too, but after it stopped getting updates and support, I
switched back to K-9. You know in a lot of ROMs and I think even
launchers, you can change an app's icon? That's what I do; install both
apps; change K-9's app icon to use Kaiten's icon; uninstall Kaiten but
keep the icon with K-9. 100% cosmetic stupidity, but it makes me
slightly happier.

Re: [ A little off topic] Best e-mail client for Android

[Willy MANGA]

Hi,

Le 11/04/2016 13:02, German a écrit :
> I wonder what Debian users use on their phone/tablet.

K9-mail from https://f-droid.org/ ;)

Re: [ A little off topic] Best e-mail client for Android

[ken]

On 04/11/2016 08:08 AM, Hans wrote:

Am Montag, 11. April 2016, 08:02:13 schrieb German:

I wonder what Debian users use on their phone/tablet.

Thanks

K9-Mail


+1

Re: [ A little off topic] Best e-mail client for Android

[Jochen Spieker]

David Baron:
> 
> Microsoft's Outlook (not the Windows Outlook or Express!) is a decent 
> lightweight contender and integrates calendar and contacts functions as well. 

If you are talking about the app¹ you should know that it routes your
e-mails and access credentials through its own servers. See their
privacy policy:

https://www.acompli.com/privacy-policy/

J.

¹ 
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.microsoft.office.outlook&hl=en
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Re: [ A little off topic] Best e-mail client for Android

[Andrew McGlashan]

On 11/04/2016 10:02 PM, German wrote:
> I wonder what Debian users use on their phone/tablet.

I like K9, just wish it has one more feature when I delete messages,
I would prefer them to be shown with a strike through and then I could
either /really/ delete them or I could simply undelete them.  As it is
now, if I delete a message, it is marked for deletion, but K9 won't ever
see it again -- I have to use Thunderbird on the desktop to undelete any
messages.

KaiMail -- I couldn't stand the idea of their free version adding bad
tags and the pay for version is too expensive.  K9 for me, probably
forever, even if I can't have delete/undelete function as I would like.

Cheers
AndrewM



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Re: [ A little off topic] Best e-mail client for Android

[John L. Ries]

Actually, I rather like the logo.  It does have the advantage of being 
instantly recognizable.


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On Mon, 11 Apr 2016, Siard wrote:


Byung-Hee HWANG:

Hans:

German:

I wonder what Debian users use on their phone/tablet.


K9-Mail


Me too, i use now k-9 with google apps.


I really hate K9-Mail's logo.
Looks like a severely battered blind dog.
That's why I go for Kaiten.

Re: [ A little off topic] Best e-mail client for Android

[Siard]

Michael:
> Siard:
> > I really hate K9-Mail's logo.
> > Looks like a severely battered blind dog.
> > That's why I go for Kaiten.
> 
> Its The Doctors faithful companion K9!

Ah, a robot dog in some sci-fi TV-series. I see.

Re: [ A little off topic] Best e-mail client for Android

[Michael]

On Mon, 2016-04-11 at 16:44 +0200, Siard wrote:
> 
> I really hate K9-Mail's logo.
> Looks like a severely battered blind dog.
> That's why I go for Kaiten.
> 

Its The Doctors faithful companion K9!

Re: [ A little off topic] Best e-mail client for Android

[Siard]

Byung-Hee HWANG:
> Hans:
> > German:
> > > I wonder what Debian users use on their phone/tablet.
> >
> > K9-Mail
> 
> Me too, i use now k-9 with google apps.

I really hate K9-Mail's logo.
Looks like a severely battered blind dog.
That's why I go for Kaiten.

Re: [ A little off topic] Best e-mail client for Android

[David Baron]

K9 and the forks and family are oldies and goodies. They are showing their 
age, but still, one cannot go wrong with them.

GMail and Inbox are resource hogs (along with most gapps).

Microsoft's Outlook (not the Windows Outlook or Express!) is a decent 
lightweight contender and integrates calendar and contacts functions as well. 
This program is an acquisition. Its calendar functions will be incorporating 
those of another of their acquisitions, Sunrise calendar, which was one of the 
best.
(Note that it plays very well with GMail accounts but it never read my own 
IMAP server through which I ran my pop3 accounts. I run the old pop3 stuff 
through GMail now so this works out just fine. Do not need the GMail app to do 
this--set it up on the site.)

Re: [ A little off topic] Best e-mail client for Android

[shawn wilson]

Y'all know you can buy kaiten mail and support the dev, right?

On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 8:29 AM, Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희)
 wrote:
> On 2016년 4월 11일 오후 9시 8분 6초 GMT+09:00, Hans  wrote:
>>Am Montag, 11. April 2016, 08:02:13 schrieb German:
>>> I wonder what Debian users use on their phone/tablet.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>
>>K9-Mail
>
> Me too, i use now k-9 with google apps.
> Also i like very much Emacs' Gnus!
>

Re: [ A little off topic] Best e-mail client for Android

[cbannister]

On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 01:12:45PM +0100, Darac Marjal wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 08:02:13AM -0400, German wrote:
> >I wonder what Debian users use on their phone/tablet.
> 
> I use K-@ Mail [1] which, as far as I understand, is a Material redesign of
> Kaiten Mail which, in turn, is a fork of K-9 Mail.
> 
> I've not gone back to see how K-9 Mail is faring these days, but any of
> these three should provide good, solid mail clients.

I wonder why there is a disclaimer like "please excuse this mail - sent
from phone or tablet" at the end of each mail.

-- 
The media's the most powerful entity on earth. 
They have the power to make the innocent guilty 
and to make the guilty innocent, and that's power.
 -- Malcolm X

Re: [ A little off topic] Best e-mail client for Android

[Sébastien Gautrin]

On 11/04/16 14:12, Darac Marjal wrote:

On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 08:02:13AM -0400, German wrote:

I wonder what Debian users use on their phone/tablet.


I use K-@ Mail [1] which, as far as I understand, is a Material 
redesign of Kaiten Mail which, in turn, is a fork of K-9 Mail.


I've not gone back to see how K-9 Mail is faring these days, but any 
of these three should provide good, solid mail clients.



[1] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.onegravity.k10.free



Thanks



Kaiten Mail like K-@ Mail seem both to be *closed source* forks 
(possible as K-9 is under APL 2.0) of K-9 (which is available through 
f-droid by the way). For this alone I'd imagine it would not be 
something most Debian users would want to support. At least I could not 
find any reference to the source (and no official mention of K-@ Mail 
being actually a fork of K-9, unlike Kaiten which advertises it).

Re: [ A little off topic] Best e-mail client for Android

[cbannister]

On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 08:02:13AM -0400, German wrote:
> I wonder what Debian users use on their phone/tablet.

What Debian version are you using on your tablet?

-- 
The media's the most powerful entity on earth. 
They have the power to make the innocent guilty 
and to make the guilty innocent, and that's power.
 -- Malcolm X

Re: [ A little off topic] Best e-mail client for Android

[Darac Marjal]

On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 08:02:13AM -0400, German wrote:

I wonder what Debian users use on their phone/tablet.


I use K-@ Mail [1] which, as far as I understand, is a Material redesign 
of Kaiten Mail which, in turn, is a fork of K-9 Mail.


I've not gone back to see how K-9 Mail is faring these days, but any of 
these three should provide good, solid mail clients.



[1] 
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.onegravity.k10.free




Thanks



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Re: [ A little off topic] Best e-mail client for Android

[Ron Leach]

On 11/04/2016 13:02, German wrote:

I wonder what Debian users use on their phone/tablet.



K-9, here; using IMAP to reach Dovecot on Debian.

Took a little setting up to limit the display of mailbox folders to 
only those I want/need to use on the phone/tablet.  Solid performance, 
though.


Ron

Re: [ A little off topic] Best e-mail client for Android

[Hans]

Am Montag, 11. April 2016, 08:02:13 schrieb German:
> I wonder what Debian users use on their phone/tablet.
> 
> Thanks

K9-Mail

[ A little off topic] Best e-mail client for Android

[German]

I wonder what Debian users use on their phone/tablet.

Thanks

Re: [OT] Soliciting Advice on e-mail and web-hosting providers

[pjw]

On Sat, Nov 28, 2015, at 07:49 AM, Stephen Powell wrote:
> For web-hosting, I am looking for one which allows me to upload and download
> web pages and other files to my site via SSL-encrypted FTP, whether implicit
> or explicit SSL I don't care, so that passwords sent across the internet
> cannot be intercepted by a sniffer.
> 
> Obviously, low cost is important too.  I'm not a business.  My web site is
> providing a public service for free.  There are no ads on my web site, and
> there is no money coming in to pay for the web hosting.  Another important
> consideration is that I don't want the service provider, e-mail or 
> web-hosting,
> selling information about me to anyone.

> > On Saturday, November 28, 2015 09:49:47 Stephen Powell wrote:
> My old web site was pure HTML.  No ASP, no PHP, no SQL.  It's just pure
> information, with some links for downloading files.  I'm not a business
> trying to set up a web site so that customers can order stuff from me.
> I just want to publish free information for the public.  It's mostly tech
> stuff about Debian.
> 
> When I created my old web site, All I did to manage it was use FTP to upload
> and download files.  By convention, the home page was "index.htm".  Any other
> pages could be linked to from that page.  The only thing that I would like to
> change is to use SSL-encrypted FTP, so that my password won't be sent over
> the network in clear text.  I must admit that I don't understand this brave
> new world of web hosting. 


Stephen, for email you can't do better than FastMail.  Everything you might 
expect from a long established and highly regarded provider that takes security 
and privacy seriously, with excellent spam protection, many advanced features, 
multiple 2FA options.

For the simple web-hosting FastMail's included "file storage websites" should 
meet your requirements, as you've described.
https://www.fastmail.com/help/files/website.html

So, advanced email + simple hosting for 40 bucks a year.  DNS included!

pjw

Re: [OT] Soliciting Advice on e-mail and web-hosting providers

[Gener Badenas]

On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 5:57 PM, Gene Heskett  wrote:

> On Sunday 06 December 2015 03:47:55 Joe wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 18:24:22 -0500 (EST)
> >
> > Stephen Powell  wrote:
> > > On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 10:15:08 -0500 (EST), mister s jones wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, November 28, 2015 09:49:47 Stephen Powell wrote:
> > > >> So, does anyone wish to share their experiences, good or bad?  Is
> > > >> there anyone you wish to recommend?  Is there anyone you want to
> > > >> warn me to stay away from? All opinions are welcome.
> > > >
> > > > I personally have been here for years and I like them
> > > >
> > > >   http://debian-hosting.info/
> > > >
> > > >  Prices are reasonable and service has been great.
> > >
> > > I checked out their web site, and they seem like a good outfit.  But
> > > I must admit, I'm totally lost.  Allow me to explain.
> > >
> > > My old web site was pure HTML.  No ASP, no PHP, no SQL.  It's just
> > > pure information, with some links for downloading files.  I'm not a
> > > business trying to set up a web site so that customers can order
> > > stuff from me. I just want to publish free information for the
> > > public.  It's mostly tech stuff about Debian.
> > >
> > > When I created my old web site, All I did to manage it was use FTP
> > > to upload and download files.  By convention, the home page was
> > > "index.htm".  Any other pages could be linked to from that page.
> > > The only thing that I would like to change is to use SSL-encrypted
> > > FTP, so that my password won't be sent over the network in clear
> > > text.  I must admit that I don't understand this brave new world of
> > > web hosting.  Looking at debian-hosting's web site, I'm totally lost
> > > as to how I would mangage my account.  What I'm looking for is
> > > something similar to what I had before.  Is there anything like that
> > > out there?  Or can I manage a debian-hosting account that way?
> >
> > Apart from the SSL bit, which is a specific question-answer issue,
> > there should be no trouble doing things the old way. I have a site
> > serving some PCB-specific information which is pure HTML, not a script
> > in sight at either end of proceedings. The pages are generated by a
> > script from standard gEDA symbol and footprint files, but here at
> > home, and the HTML is uploaded traditionally.
>
> Its not that hard to setup your own server right at home if you have a
> machine running 24/7 which 4 of the 5 on my local net do.  Just don't
> put it on port 80 because the ISP's block that for incoming in order to
> force you to put it on their machines.  The web site in the sig, is in
> fact on /this/ machine.  No fancy scripts, just apache2.  That port is
> the only port my router, running DD-WRT, forwards to any local
> address/machine, and its running in a login-less username sandbox and
> has been for quite a few years with zero security issues.  Nearly a
> decade in fact.
>

Yes if you already have existing servers running 24/7 and dedicated public
IP, then no additional cost.  But if no existing server at home, renting a
service is cheaper.


>
> The downside is the slower up-link speed when you look at a pix or
> download something. Be my guest as the present traffic is only about 10%
> of my data cap.
>
> The upside is no commercials except the front age pix of me & the missus,
> but now we are a decade & change older. And I am about 50 lbs lighter in
> deference to being a DM-II.
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
> --
> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> Genes Web page 
>
>


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Re: [OT] Soliciting Advice on e-mail and web-hosting providers

[Gener Badenas]

On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 10:49 PM, Stephen Powell 
wrote:

> I currently get my internet connectivity, e-mail service, and web-hosting
> service from the same provider.  I recently complained to my ISP about
> backscatter SPAM I was getting from other people's infected machines
> that were sending out SPAM to invalid e-mail addresses and spoofing me
> as the sender.  (See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email_spoofing and
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backscatter_(email) for good articles about
> these subjects.)  Their response was to suspend my e-mail access and delete
> my web site!
>
> I finally got my e-mail access back, but my web site is still down.
> This experience has convinced me that tying my e-mail and web-hosting
> to my ISP is a bad idea.  The two extra services are free to subscribers
> to their internet access service, but I don't want problems in one area
> to adversely affect the other areas.  Clearly that is not the case now.
>
> So I am looking for a good e-mail provider and a good web-hosting provider.
> For the e-mail service I want a provider that has good protection against
> backscatter SPAM, provides a web-based e-mail client, and does not force
> me to view tons of ads in order to get to their web-mail client.  I want
> all transmission of credentials, particularly passwords, passed between
> the client and the server, to be encrypted, not sent across the network
> in clear text, where a sniffer operating in promiscuous mode could
> intercept
> them.  I also want the e-mail provider to work well with Debian mailing
> lists.  (I have heard, for example, that when gmail users post to a list
> to which they are subscribed they do not receive copies of their own
> posts.)
>
> For web-hosting, I am looking for one which allows me to upload and
> download
> web pages and other files to my site via SSL-encrypted FTP, whether
> implicit
> or explicit SSL I don't care, so that passwords sent across the internet
> cannot be intercepted by a sniffer.
>
> Obviously, low cost is important too.  I'm not a business.  My web site is
> providing a public service for free.  There are no ads on my web site, and
> there is no money coming in to pay for the web hosting.  Another important
> consideration is that I don't want the service provider, e-mail or
> web-hosting,
> selling information about me to anyone.
>
>
For Email, I recommend MXRoute.  This is their main website
https://mxroute.com/ but you may check promotion on below links

http://lowendbox.com/blog/mxroute-e-mail-hosting-starting-at-5year-with-2gb-storage-in-dallas-usa/
http://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/69302/mxroute-email-hosting-black-friday-special/p1

They have good reputation among sysadmin people down at lowendbox and
lowendtalk.  Price is cheap at as low as $5 per year.

For webhosting, what if you use VPS instead?  You can control security
yourself and maybe install as minimal configuration as can be. If your site
is fairly static, maybe just install nginx and ssh, and don't put anymore
other service. I recommend Prometeus and BuyVM, also popular at
LowEndBox/LowEndTalk for low cost yet good quality service.  Packages can
be as low as $15/year

https://www.prometeus.net/billing/cart.php?gid=7
http://buyvm.net/



> So, does anyone wish to share their experiences, good or bad?  Is there
> anyone
> you wish to recommend?  Is there anyone you want to warn me to stay away
> from?
> All opinions are welcome.
>
>


-- 
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<http://grails.asia/groovy-substring>

Re: [OT] Soliciting Advice on e-mail and web-hosting providers

[Dan Ritter]

On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 09:49:47AM -0500, Stephen Powell wrote:
> 
> So I am looking for a good e-mail provider and a good web-hosting provider.
> For the e-mail service I want a provider that has good protection against
> backscatter SPAM, provides a web-based e-mail client, and does not force
> me to view tons of ads in order to get to their web-mail client.  I want
> all transmission of credentials, particularly passwords, passed between
> the client and the server, to be encrypted, not sent across the network
> in clear text, where a sniffer operating in promiscuous mode could intercept
> them.  I also want the e-mail provider to work well with Debian mailing
> lists.  (I have heard, for example, that when gmail users post to a list
> to which they are subscribed they do not receive copies of their own posts.) 

I strongly recommend Fastmail. Although I don't agree with all
of their technical decisions, they run a very competent ship.
Prices are not bad, and they take security seriously.

-dsr-

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Re: [OT] Soliciting Advice on e-mail and web-hosting providers

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 07 December 2015 00:25:17 Andrew McGlashan wrote:

> On 7/12/2015 12:16 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Obviously you don't trust your router.  Mine has been reflashed with
> > DD-WRT.  Nothing comes in that I don't let in.
>
> Sure, but that is assuming that DD-WRT is all good; which I would be
> confident about.  But it also means that those that are "let in",
> well, they'll interact with Apache and potentially there is a
> vulnerability there that DD-WRT can do nothing about.
>
> Cheers
> A.

I am not useing any apache2 module that has ever been exploited that I 
know of.  And its running in a sandbox with pretty high restrictions on 
security.  Even I have to jump thru a couple hoops just to add a new 
item to my page.

Thanks Andrew.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: [OT] Soliciting Advice on e-mail and web-hosting providers

[Andrew McGlashan]

On 7/12/2015 12:16 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> Obviously you don't trust your router.  Mine has been reflashed with 
> DD-WRT.  Nothing comes in that I don't let in.

Sure, but that is assuming that DD-WRT is all good; which I would be
confident about.  But it also means that those that are "let in", well,
they'll interact with Apache and potentially there is a vulnerability
there that DD-WRT can do nothing about.

Cheers
A.

Re: [OT] Soliciting Advice on e-mail and web-hosting providers

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 06 December 2015 14:38:27 Joe wrote:

> On Sun, 6 Dec 2015 04:57:08 -0500
>
> Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > Its not that hard to setup your own server right at home if you have
> > a machine running 24/7 which 4 of the 5 on my local net do.
>
> I have a server, running apache. There is no way on earth I would
> expose it to the Internet, I know just enough about IT security to
> know that I don't know anything like enough about IT security to run a
> public-facing web server safely.
>
Obviously you don't trust your router.  Mine has been reflashed with 
DD-WRT.  Nothing comes in that I don't let in.

> > Just
> > don't put it on port 80 because the ISP's block that for incoming in
> > order to force you to put it on their machines.
>
> I don't have a problem with that, my ISP doesn't block anything, I run
> a mail server.

And thats a headache I don't think I want to contemplate.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: [OT] Soliciting Advice on e-mail and web-hosting providers

[Joe]

On Sun, 6 Dec 2015 04:57:08 -0500
Gene Heskett  wrote:


> 
> Its not that hard to setup your own server right at home if you have
> a machine running 24/7 which 4 of the 5 on my local net do. 

I have a server, running apache. There is no way on earth I would
expose it to the Internet, I know just enough about IT security to know
that I don't know anything like enough about IT security to run a
public-facing web server safely.

> Just
> don't put it on port 80 because the ISP's block that for incoming in
> order to force you to put it on their machines.

I don't have a problem with that, my ISP doesn't block anything, I run
a mail server.

-- 
Joe

Re: [OT] Soliciting Advice on e-mail and web-hosting providers

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 06 December 2015 03:47:55 Joe wrote:

> On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 18:24:22 -0500 (EST)
>
> Stephen Powell  wrote:
> > On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 10:15:08 -0500 (EST), mister s jones wrote:
> > > On Saturday, November 28, 2015 09:49:47 Stephen Powell wrote:
> > >> So, does anyone wish to share their experiences, good or bad?  Is
> > >> there anyone you wish to recommend?  Is there anyone you want to
> > >> warn me to stay away from? All opinions are welcome.
> > >
> > > I personally have been here for years and I like them
> > >
> > >   http://debian-hosting.info/
> > >
> > >  Prices are reasonable and service has been great.
> >
> > I checked out their web site, and they seem like a good outfit.  But
> > I must admit, I'm totally lost.  Allow me to explain.
> >
> > My old web site was pure HTML.  No ASP, no PHP, no SQL.  It's just
> > pure information, with some links for downloading files.  I'm not a
> > business trying to set up a web site so that customers can order
> > stuff from me. I just want to publish free information for the
> > public.  It's mostly tech stuff about Debian.
> >
> > When I created my old web site, All I did to manage it was use FTP
> > to upload and download files.  By convention, the home page was
> > "index.htm".  Any other pages could be linked to from that page. 
> > The only thing that I would like to change is to use SSL-encrypted
> > FTP, so that my password won't be sent over the network in clear
> > text.  I must admit that I don't understand this brave new world of
> > web hosting.  Looking at debian-hosting's web site, I'm totally lost
> > as to how I would mangage my account.  What I'm looking for is
> > something similar to what I had before.  Is there anything like that
> > out there?  Or can I manage a debian-hosting account that way?
>
> Apart from the SSL bit, which is a specific question-answer issue,
> there should be no trouble doing things the old way. I have a site
> serving some PCB-specific information which is pure HTML, not a script
> in sight at either end of proceedings. The pages are generated by a
> script from standard gEDA symbol and footprint files, but here at
> home, and the HTML is uploaded traditionally.

Its not that hard to setup your own server right at home if you have a 
machine running 24/7 which 4 of the 5 on my local net do.  Just don't 
put it on port 80 because the ISP's block that for incoming in order to 
force you to put it on their machines.  The web site in the sig, is in 
fact on /this/ machine.  No fancy scripts, just apache2.  That port is 
the only port my router, running DD-WRT, forwards to any local 
address/machine, and its running in a login-less username sandbox and 
has been for quite a few years with zero security issues.  Nearly a 
decade in fact.

The downside is the slower up-link speed when you look at a pix or 
download something. Be my guest as the present traffic is only about 10% 
of my data cap.

The upside is no commercials except the front age pix of me & the missus, 
but now we are a decade & change older. And I am about 50 lbs lighter in 
deference to being a DM-II.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: [OT] Soliciting Advice on e-mail and web-hosting providers

[Joe]

On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 18:24:22 -0500 (EST)
Stephen Powell  wrote:

> On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 10:15:08 -0500 (EST), mister s jones wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 28, 2015 09:49:47 Stephen Powell wrote:  
> >> So, does anyone wish to share their experiences, good or bad?  Is
> >> there anyone you wish to recommend?  Is there anyone you want to
> >> warn me to stay away from? All opinions are welcome.  
> > 
> > I personally have been here for years and I like them 
> > 
> > http://debian-hosting.info/
> > 
> >  Prices are reasonable and service has been great.   
> 
> I checked out their web site, and they seem like a good outfit.  But
> I must admit, I'm totally lost.  Allow me to explain.
> 
> My old web site was pure HTML.  No ASP, no PHP, no SQL.  It's just
> pure information, with some links for downloading files.  I'm not a
> business trying to set up a web site so that customers can order
> stuff from me. I just want to publish free information for the
> public.  It's mostly tech stuff about Debian.
> 
> When I created my old web site, All I did to manage it was use FTP to
> upload and download files.  By convention, the home page was
> "index.htm".  Any other pages could be linked to from that page.  The
> only thing that I would like to change is to use SSL-encrypted FTP,
> so that my password won't be sent over the network in clear text.  I
> must admit that I don't understand this brave new world of web
> hosting.  Looking at debian-hosting's web site, I'm totally lost as
> to how I would mangage my account.  What I'm looking for is something
> similar to what I had before.  Is there anything like that out
> there?  Or can I manage a debian-hosting account that way?
> 

Apart from the SSL bit, which is a specific question-answer issue,
there should be no trouble doing things the old way. I have a site
serving some PCB-specific information which is pure HTML, not a script
in sight at either end of proceedings. The pages are generated by a
script from standard gEDA symbol and footprint files, but here at home,
and the HTML is uploaded traditionally.

-- 
Joe